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Trinity is not Biblical, it was invented by men. God/Yahweh
Is One. By the way not all Christian pratice this dogma

If the Bible calls it HolySpirit, then why do you seek more?

According to your believe that the Catholic chosed what to and what not to be true in the word of God, see what Christ say in Revelation. God has consistantly preserved His word even before the new convenant.

REVELATION 22:18-19 -- “For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book

I hope you understand this?

You are saying that God did not preserved Hid word? What do u mean the catholic edited the word of God? You must be dreaming to believe what they told you instead of holding on to the word of God

MATTHEW 4:4 -- “It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.”

MATTHEW 5:18 -- “For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.”

MATTHEW 24:35 – “Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.”

The Lord Jesus Christ is very specific in His teaching about the "preservation of Scripture". He teaches that man must have the very words of God, and He promises that His WORDS will not pass away. In Matthew 5:18, He says the very "JOTS AND TITTLES" of God’s Word will not pass away! That is certainly a
promise of verbal preservation. If you counts on the Bible, you will not accept that The Catholic edited Gods word.

And the other questions, i have told you. The Bible holds the History of my belief.

God4moi: I can't read all your post. But for your own good I hope your religion is atleast 1,000years old if it survives that long then you can come compare how scriptural you've been.

That been said, I'm also hoping for your sake that you do not read the bible as your source of God's word because incase you didn't read that part in your history book. The RCC compiled and decided which books should make up the Bible, which books should be used as references and which should remain in the library.

I should also be @ liberty to think you're not following the churches calendar as regards to the days for xmas and easther.

And I think your post of knowing the truth through learning history Would explain the magnificat of elizbeth d mother of John.

Just a quick reminder, do you know dec 25 was not the day Jesus was born?

Ask urself if the Catholic is older than the book they compiled? They did not decide anything or else they will insert all thier Paganism doctrine. God promised to preserve His word. In whtever means, it must be presarved. Did the Catholic also compiled the book Jesus used? For ur mind euh!!

Logicboy03: Lol....so you admit that your modern christianity came from a pagan history?

The daughter of a pagan mother church!

The truth is not from the mother church, its from the bible.
The paganism is outside the Bible. That is wht i dont partake in.

God4moi: I'd love to know how much of history you know about your religion.

Is this thought @ your sunday school or what?

The only true History Book is the Bible. If u had not the privillage to hold it, you woudnt find the truth.

And what is sunday school?

God Must Explain the Mark

To get a complete picture of the mark of the beast, we must study all of the verses that pertain to it.
There are many, and studying just a few will not reveal the full truth. Using imagination and human reasoning
to invent various silly—and some are truly ludicrous—conclusions about what the mark of the beast may be, only serves
to further deceive and confuse those with interest in the subject.

Ask: Would God foretell plagues on all those who receive the mark and then
leave mankind in the dark about what it is? Would He say, in effect, “I am going to pour out terrifying, horrible PLAGUES—causing the death of millions—on those
who receive the mark of the beast, but I will not tell you what it is or how to avoid it—so that you can escape”?

Comprehend this vital point. Men cannot reveal the meaning of or explain the mark—only God can. Plain reality
is that He must do this—and He does tell us most plainly exactly what it is!

To be continued...

[s]I will break the book in short notes, no comment until the end of this chapter if needed.[/s]

Few prophecies in the Bible are as fascinating to its readers as is the subject of the mark of the beast.
As with other aspects of prophecies described in this book, theories attempting to explain this mark abound.

This intriguing, mysterious mark is much talked about, but almost universally misunderstood.
Some believe it is a computer chip implanted in people’s foreheads or right hands.
Others have thought it was Hitler’s swastika and still others have thought it has been this or that government program.
Despite endless sermons preached and articles written about its possible meaning, millions remain baffled by it.

While almost none have known or suspected this, you will learn that the mark has much—in fact, everything—to do with the subject of this book.
But before seeing how, important background must be brought in to build a foundation of understanding without which the reader will be lost.

Dreaded Mark

Revelation 14 pictures three angels bearing three messages (vs. 6-11). These messages announce the fall of Babylon
through the seven last plagues and warn against receiving the “mark of the beast.”
Many prophecies show that most—all who belong to the coming great false church-state system—will ignore the warning, and will be deceived into receiving it!

The prophecies that describe the mark are stark—and horrible! Sadly, most all preachers focus on just one passage to the exclusion of the many others on the subject.
Let’s read it: “And he causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a
MARK in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the MARK, or the name of the beast, or the NUMBER of his name” (Rev. 13:16-17).

This is a critical statement, for it speaks of some kind of a universal mark backed by authority in a way that controls people’s
ability to conduct normal matters of commerce (“buying and selling”).
Those who do not have the mark are isolated from the most routine matters of purchasing food, goods and services.

Being able to buy and sell goods is certainly essential—something that everyone needs to be able to do.
But understand. This is not speaking of whether stores and retail establishments will be willing to sell goods to
people without the mark, but rather whether people can earn a living—meaning a wage and a salary—in order to have income, if they do not have it.
The implication of the Greek is that one will not be able to buy or sell—will not have money in hand to do so—because he is unemployed!

So then, the “mark of the beast” involves ability to obtain and hold a job in order to make a living.

Obviously then, millions will have it—and it will have to be considered desirable and attractive, or else
the masses would not seek or accept it.

But the mark will be a trap to those who are charmed by the surface of its attraction. For here is what
will happen to all those who receive it: “And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvelous, seven
angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the WRATH OF GOD …And the seven angels came
out of the temple, having the seven plagues [vials], clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with
golden girdles…And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways,
and pour out the vials [plagues] of the WRATH OF GOD upon the earth.
And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the
men which had the MARK of the beast, and upon them who worshipped his IMAGE” (Rev. 15:1, 6; 16:1-2).

This is serious! Terrible punishment will fall on all who have taken this mark.
However unwittingly they did this, the result will be the same—horrible plagues on all, including you or me, if we have this mark!

To be continued.....

pastormustwacc: *Eating popcorn*

Bonne appétit

Logicboy03: And what makes your own doctrine not false?

I no longer partake in the Historical/dated paganism doctrine of the church.

pastormustwacc: This is serious,


Outstanding, this is exactly all i am saying with all my long posts. And this cuts across all denominations, whether catholic or pentecostal.

The thing is that, when revealing some hidden truth of this church, some individuals take it on them.
They careless to find the truth for themselves. Not everyone go to church for going sake or just for the fact that they want to be a member of that church.

Catholic is not the only church found with paganism today, but as she is the origin of paganism doctrine, it all points at Her.
People forget that The only thing to fight hard to protect is our body which is the temple of God.
The building and names of Churches are not required. In the bible, The temple where God's people worship are mostly "The church of God".

When we seek the truth, it shal set us free, but when we reject the truth, we will die in bandage.

italo: It is easy to tarnish other people's image. If we say give us evidence of all you have written now, you'll start running from pillar to post and making more allegations without proving a single one.

And gullible people who are like sheep without shepherd will believe. To them, if it is a bad thing that is said about the Catholic Church, it has to be true. If it is a good thing, it has to be false.

Alright give us evidence that:

1.[size=14pt]The Catholic Church "rides on the assumption that Peter STARTED the Church"[/size]

2. The Catholic Church was instituted by the Roman Empire.

3. That it was instituted to "checkmate the spread of the gospel."

4. What do you mean by "Roman state" and show us how you have to gain some "Roman state loyalty" to be Pope.

5. How is it a bad thing to elect a Pope? Go and read how Mathias was chosen to replace Judas. He and Joseph Barsabas were nominated and he was chosen by casting lots. More like rolling dice.

Which evidence pass the one you wrote with your own hands?

: The Catholic Church And Its Claims As The Bible Author? by italo: 11:24am On Dec 14, 2011
It is you that said the Catholic Church is growing stronger everyday. I don't see where anyone else said that. As far as I know, the Church is dwindling in numbers in the Europe and North America but growing in Africa, Asia and is still very strong in Latin America. But is this the indication that we need to know that God is with it? No.

The Catholic Church is the Church Jesus founded with Peter as its head and it continues to minister to the world with the teachings of the apostles in word and in tradition. These teachings have come down to us through an unbroken line of apostolic succession from the apostles to the early church fathers to the present day priests.

That is the indication we need. God's one true church, not a 'church' that was founded by a greedy pastor just to make money or an adulterous king just to satisfy his carnal desire.

"The gates of hades will not overcome it", Jesus said 2011yrs ago.

2011 years later, the gates of hades have not overcome it - and never will. That is the indication we need.

Or was Jesus talking about RCCG, or Deeper life, or Cele or any of the other 35000 protestant shops we have in the world today?

NO!

Haven't you said it all? what evidence do you need else? Unbiblical facts you claimed here.

solbil: another round of fruitless smear campaign.

Op, i am not catholic, but they are people i admire sooo much. I attended their school so i know a great deal about them. I understand their point of view and i have come to realise that pentecostals are only being arogant
to anything catholic even though their arguement is not


theologically superior to the catholics.

My message to you, op is; your predecessors have done this same thing you are doing and they failed. Do
you really think yours will make a difference? Stop fighting what you cannot fight. Pick up "jesus of nazareth" by pope benedict and study. It will enhance

your faith, you can get it at st. Leo's catholic church in ikeja. You dont have to be catholic to get it.

Vomiting rubbish just to prove a point, please think well next time. There is no Superiority in Christ ok!

andromida: The catholic church has many errors.eg praying to mary it is totally unscriptural. Calling the pope his holiness etc but this does not mean every catholic is hell bound however it is the duty of every individual to search out the truth in the bible by themselves. I sincerely pray the catholic church drops its manmade doctrines.

Your prayer cannot Change the Prophecy. What the Mother Church is indulge in is in accordance with prophecy. But you can pray to God to help individuals to start seeing the light, so they can come out of her.

nyabingi: The point remains that most people who say they are Roman Catholics never really take time to check on the church history, it all rides on the asumptions that Peter started the church where as it was all fasle cos the catholic church was actually instituted by the roman empire to checkmate the spread of the gospel which was viewed as threat to the roman conquests, that is why till today thepapalcy remains more of poluitical position than religion, the popes are elected and one must gains some level of Roman state loyalty to be considered for such!

God bless you, this is just the truth.

@Op, good job. Many are been misled, thier soul if facing demnation if they don't come out of Her according to Revelation.

When one has gone too deep in false doctrine practice, even if He/she sees the truth largely/plainly told by the scripture, He/she will have no value of what the truth is all about. It takes devine intervention to fix the truth down in such a fellow's mind. Satan is powerful to seduces many with His tools.

italo: Very well. It means the cross is very inportant in Christianity. Symbolically and figuratively. Even when Jesus rose, he still had the wounds of the cross. Paul preached Christ crucified...even though he knew Christ was risen. Christ crucified - the power of God. And if Paul is talking about the crucifix, there you have the Biblical example you so badly seek.

Its not important, it is idolatry take it or leave it. God hates it.
Isaiah 40:18-31(NIV)
18 With whom, then, will you compare God?
To what image will you liken him?
19 As for an idol, a metalworker casts it, (the cross)
and a goldsmith overlays it with gold
and fashions silver chains for it.
20 A person too poor to present such an offering
selects wood that will not rot;
they look for a skilled worker
to set up an idol that will not topple.

ijawkid: SMH!!!!!!

My broda, why the silent from you? SYH is not enough ooo

frosbel: Of course, we are here to learn, I am not 100% accurate on doctrine.

So share with me these scripture and we can discuss.

thanks.

This ur new argument shows it hahaha (jk) well no one is 100% accurate.


In addition to previews posts. I still cannot know or trust where you are driving to and how you can disprove these verses. Christ proved He existed, no two ways about it. The Bible not only explicitly teaches this doctrine but also implies this evidence at various points througout the Gospels and epistles of The Apostles.  Making this fct more solid, Jesus own character reveal His divine identity and, His pre-existence. 

Several places in the NT explicitly teach this. If you do not want to trust John 1, then u can at least trust Jesus' speach in (John 17:5) which is more than sufficient to show that the Scripture supports His pre-existence, but it is just one of many such passages.
I present you more chapters as requested. Jesus Himself taught His own pre-existence in thses verses: (John 3:13, 6:33, 38, 62; 8:23; 16:28). He proved it prior to Abraham’s birth (John 8:58-59) despite Abraham’s birth preceeded His own birth by centuries! Jesus as pre-existing with His Father (God) (Romans 8:3; 1 John 1:2; Galatians 4:4). 

Do we have to reject these verses

frosbel: Of course, we are here to learn, I am not 100% accurate on doctrine.

So share with me these scripture and we can discuss.

thanks.

Bros, you have overlooked/jumped some of these verses in the above comments already.....

frosbel: I am not sure why we cannot simply accept that JESUS was a real MAN like you and me.

While I am beginning to admire the JW and their stance on a number of issues , we still have our differences , one of which is the issue of this pre-existence.

One thing I have learnt over the years is not to make things more complex than they really are . Also I have refused to let any church dictate my belief, rather I go to my bible for answers and pray for wisdom for the correct interpretation.

The only different between US and JESUS is that JESUS was fathered by Almighty GOD through his holy spirit , while WE and are the seed of ADAM stained by the corruption of SIN.

It is this holy spirit that overshadowed Mary and made her conceive the Son of GOD that makes Jesus , special, unique and divine.

Jesus is 100% MAN , if he ever was the second person of an erroneous Trinity or another spirit being, then he could not have died fully, a part of him was alive even when he died.

The last ADAM had to be like the first ADAM to qualify for the sacrificial death ordained from time immemorial , for the atonement of our sins.

Because of time and gradual exhaustion due to Nairaland I suggest you peruse the following ARTICLE

If you say so, then you have to ask question on numerous verses in the Bible

Enigma: But plappville if you can say all of these, then what is your problem or fight with "Trinitarians" ---- you are not much different from them afterall!

The bit that I've bolded in blue is basically saying the same thing as the "Trinitarians".

The bit that I've bolded in red will need adjustment. The "Trinitarians" put it this way: the Father is one Person, Jesus is one Person but both of them are of one Being or of one substance or of one essence ---- so they are not "two separate Beings".





Notice that I have marked the word "Being" in red three times; from the point of view of the "Trinitarians", the word "Being" should be replaced with "Person".

Consider the words of that song:

Holy Holy Holy
Lord God Almighty
. . . .
God in Three Persons
Blessed Trinity.

Sorry, I in no way in accord with the trinity dogman. John stated that In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God.
Two seperate being or person if you want are involve here not one. (One Being, the Word who became Jesus Christ) and The other (Being, the Father/God),
If Jesus is one being or person and the Father is one being/person then they are two seperate beings.

italo: Haven't you noticed that I have been avoiding direct conversations with you? I am doing so because anytime we talk, you don't make sense to me and I always end up using very harsh words.

Why don't you let me talk to people who I feel are worth discussing with.

Please help me so that I won't have to insult you. I am trying to safeguard my soul.

Thank you.

You think insulting others while defending your doctrine guarantees you?

You are just joking then, you need to be spiritual dear.

italo: I can't believe what I am seeing!

So if I call you a bastard, it is up to YOU to prove it that you are not a bastard, not me to prove that you are. And if you cannot prove that you are not a bastard, it is true that you are. Are you serious. You anti-Catholics have no limit to how low you can go, do you?

Okay you are a bastard. Prove to me that you are not. If you cannot, its true that you are a bastard, right?

Why do you like insulting anyone that does not agree with your doctrines? No one is correcting the Catholic paganism doctrine,
only the bible has been doing this, yet you keep insulting us. Here is one chapter for you to meditate on.


Acts 17:29-30 therefore since we are god's offspring, we should not think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone - an image made by man's design and skill. In the past god overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent."

ijawkid: Thanks for the correction...

But I still don't know how galatians 1:1 and 1 corinthians you quoted supports your stand on the fact that the early christians erected the image of the cross as a medium for worship....

This is galatians 1:1....

New International Version (©1984)
Paul, an apostle--sent not from men nor by
man, but by Jesus Christ and God the Father,
who raised him from the dead--
.........

New Living Translation (©2007)
This letter is from Paul, an apostle. I was not
appointed by any group of people or any human
authority, but by Jesus Christ himself and by
God the Father, who raised Jesus from the
dead.


I don't see how people been reminded of Christs ressurection by the Father would mean they carved the cross and hung them in there homes or make rosaries that would be used for worship....

No scripture supports your making the cross and using it for worship....

No apostle or early christians used any carved image....no one!!!!!

Have you ever visited a Catholic member Home? a very big alter with images both( MARY and JESUS), sometimes baby jesus, incense candles, etc...all for worship

italo: My brother, why are you taking up issues with me? It was St Paul that said Christ crucified is the Power of God, not me. So you can start your World War III with him.

So you have already concluded and judged that I am not worshipping God in truth and in spirit...

In other wards you can see into my heart and soul...

Na wah for una wey be anti-Catholics o...

The Catholic is full of idolatry period, what are you defending each time?

Logicboy03: Seems Omo Alata is either running away or lying.

You like to drag matter till the end euh!

I do not surport greedy Pastors, who have refused to copy Jesus. When He says "My kingdom is not of this world" Jesus had no reason to accumulate wealth/properties etc.
He only care about how He can bring us to Gods Kingdom. Satan is the god of this world, how will Christ struggle to accumulate wealth in a worthless world like this?

Even When Satan offered Him all the Kingdoms, He refuses. If na some long throat Pastors today.
They will quickly bow to Satan because they have no Hope for the future Kingdom of God.

They go ahead controling wealth instead of been controled by Christ Doctrine.

For the HIV victims, i think we all have a role to play. Its not only giving financial help.
Sharing the word of God with them can also help to sustain them. There is power in the word of God for those that wants to accept it.

We can still help to reduce the rate of spreading HIV by telling others the advantage of abstinence before Marriage.

Image123: many have used Mary for different purposes and art forms and as the queen of heaven. same goes for the cross and crucifix and Jesus. All the abuse and distractions take nothing from the fact and truths about Jesus or Mary or the Trinity.

The source of this idolatry is the Catholic no

Yes it takes/change nothing about the True Jesus, these acts are misleading billions astray!