₦airaland Forum

truthman2012:
allahh is a joker, islam will never rule the world. The whole world is battle ready to end islamic terrorism.

Medicis:
Sharap there, why couldn't your peadophile prophet create life in your quran?? So Jesus could create life and ur so called false prophet could not. Jesus created life becos he has the power to do so.

BETATRON:
hehe...common you both morally and intellectually unsound dearie

Please go boast your morals and intellect

If you are so sure of what you are saying why is it so hard for you to answer the simple Question

By WHOM's LEAVE DID jeses create in ONE WORD

Which is evident from the verse you quoted

Until you can answer this in one word don't say anything else please

You don't have to tryna lie to prove a point,,its so despicable for a woman to do

BETATRON:
LOL if you teacher asked that in one word tell us by whom's leave jesus revived the dead...will this be your response? SMH vigorously

BETATRON:
simple question by whom leave just reply in one word

plappville:

[b]"Is then he who creates [/b]like one that creates
not?" (Surah 16:17)
Who's the bold and who's the italic?
The Qur'an restricted the ability to create to Allah only.
If you are talkiing about "by who's leave.".why didn't Muhammad does thesame by Allah's leave?
The Qur’an says that allah has no sons. He creates without the need to procreate. Allah has no one beside him. According to the Qur’an, Jesus was not divine and could perform miracles only with the help of allah. Jesus was just a Messenger like others. Yet Jesus is the only one that gave life in thé Quran. A thing attributed only to Allah of the Qur'an..

BETATRON:
by whose LEAVE did he create?

BETATRON:
see how gross and unmitigated your logic is

He was given the permission to give life by God---if he wasn't what power will he have to give life for himself
That's why 3vs49-clearly state and I will give life by ALLAH's permission...

Not by his own power...it pays to reason logically

BETATRON:
I will revive the dead by ALLAH's permission-3vs49 now read clearly and explain your point

---see what jesus called himself---j17:3-this is eternal life that they may know YOU the ONLY TRUE GOD and jesus whom YOU SENT(messenger)

truthman2012:
So allahh requires all able-bodied muslims to be terrorists.

No room for Muslims sitting on the fence otherwise painful doom is awaiting them. You better renounce allahh and embrace the Lord of peace, Jesus.

Peace I leave with you, my
peace I give unto you: not as
the world giveth, give I unto
you. Let not your heart be
troubled, ...(John 14:27).

truthman2012:
Are islamic apologists on nairaland sleeping?

mamsong9:
In African society we all know that sheep symbolize foolishness, i.e Mumuism

BETATRON:
lol the koran testifies this truth indeed that jesus gave life to a bird

About being a God---pls read john17:3 and explain

mamsong9:
In African society we all know that sheep symbolize foolishness, i.e Mumuism

truthman2012:
Then you don't discuss Jesus being God or not here.

BETATRON:
if islam is antichrist why as it mentioned christ and showered him with good qualities in the koran??

BETATRON:
read john17:3 and see what jesus said after reading please quote it

I have questions for you with regards to that verse

BETATRON:
jesus(a) didn't ESCAPE death in the koran he went into occultation and will be SENT(messenger) to defeat the dajjal one whom christians refer to as antichrist and afterwards he will die

Come to think of it where is it stated in the koran that He will EXCAPE death...the verse you quoted clearly states that every soul will taste death inculding satan

Now see satan isn't death yet hence does that make him God,, even in the bible christ died for 3 days and satan has never tasted death so using the dumb ideology of yours should we consider satan as better than christ

BETATRON:
Maybe you should see the lies in the death of jesus

Who moved the stone?reloaded by mamsong9

just check out the thriller(in michael jacksons words)

IAYUSUF:
They threaten to attack the west but the people they attack are the Muslims. The people with greatest casualties are the Muslims.

Using my previous post you should check the
THE SEPTUAGINT TRANSLATION
You shall bear a son and call his name Ishmael . . . He shall be a countryman, his hands on all, and the hands of all on him, and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.


Or read the book
"CLARIFYING BAFFLING BIBLICAL PASSAGES CHAPTER THREE “ISHMAEL: A PEACE MAKER" GENESIS 16:10 –12” by a Bible scholar Thomas F. McDaniel, Ph.D.

I am sure you don't care to read because. You aren't interested in the truth. Well keep showing ignorance.
Just to help release you from the Ignorance the Septuagint translation of the old testament is a translation of the Hebrew Bible and some related texts into Koine Greek . As the primary Greek translation of the Old Testament , it is also called the Greek Old Testament . This translation is quoted a number of times in the
New Testament , particularly in Pauline epistles, and also by the Apostolic Fathers and later Greek Church Fathers .

BETATRON:
is that all you've got to say?

peakstone:
these article is from a muslim person. please will like muslims to pls ansa the questions.
Submitted by Salman Saeed (United Arab
Emirates) , Jul 9, 2006 at 08:26
BISMILLAH
Salaam,
I'm a muslim who was born and raised in a
Muslim Family. For over six years I have been
hugely involved in comparative religion. I need
some sincere answers to the following
questions, since I feel in Islam there are
some things that don't entirely seem rational.
I have also been meeting with lots of
apostates of Islam whose works I have been
reading and can't seem to cogently refute.
I've attached them at the end of question 8.
Please provide me with your DETAILED
feedback.
I had the following questions.
1) Do any authentic Hadith's exist that say
Jesus was not the Messiah (The annointed
one)?
Please provide authentic Hadith.
2) Do any authentic Hadith's exist that say
Jesus was not the promised lamb of God ?
Please provide authentic Hadith.
3) Do any authentic Hadith's exist that say
Jesus was not the promised redeemer of
Sin ?
Please provide authentic Hadith.
4) Do any authentic Hadith's exist that say
Jesus (Ruh-Allah) was not the person God
was going to sacrifice as Abraham was going
to sacrifice his son?
5) Muslims claim that Jesus was only sent for
the lost sheep of Israel whereas Imam Mehdi
is going to be the saviour of the WHOLE
WORLD. If this is true then what is the
purpose of Jesus coming down with Imam
Mehdi to begin with?
6) Before Jesus came to the Jews, they
already use to follow the Torah. Also they
already believed in one God. Between Moses
and Jesus lots of Prophets came to the Jews
such as Aaron, Ezekiel, David, Solomon, Elijah,
Elisha, Jonah, Zecharias & John. Hence before
Jesus arrived, the Jews already believed in
one God. The God of Abraham. What was so
different that Jesus said because of which he
was sentenced to crucifixion ?
7) Muslims claim that the son Abraham was
going to sacrifice was Ishmael and not Isaac.
If this is so, then why were all the Prophets
after Abraham until Jesus descendants of
Isaac ?
In Islam, is the punishment of Apostacy
"death"?
Please provide authentic evidence.
As a result of my intensive research, I found
some attributes of Christ that even Christians
did not deal with in their books. For example:
1) The ability to create:
The Qur'an says,
"That is Allah, your Lord! There is no god but
He, the Creator of all things" (Surah 6:102)
"For verily it is thy Lord who is the All-
Creator, knowing all things" (Surah 15:86)
"Those on whom, besides Allah, ye call,
cannot create (even) a fly, if they all met
together for the purpose" (Surah 22:73)
"Those whom they invoke besides Allah
create nothing and are themselves
created" (Surah 16:20)
"Is then he who creates like one that creates
not?" (Surah 16:17)
These are but some of the verses that restrict
the ability to create to God only. When God
wanted to distinguish Himself from other
gods, He highlighted this attribute of His that
surpassed all other gods. Meanwhile, the
Qur'an clearly admits that Christ created
things:
"I make for you out of clay, as it were, the
figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it
becomes a bird by Allah's leave" (Surah 3:49)
"Thou makest out of clay, as it were, the
figure of a bird, by my leave, and thou
breathest into it, and it becometh a bird by my
leave" (Surah 5:110)
When I read these verses, I thought in my
heart: it was God who gave Christ this ability;
it was not part of His essence even though,
Christ was the only One on whom God
bestowed one of His divine attributes. Why
Christ and not Mohammed? God said to
Mohammed,
"Canst thou cause the deaf to hear the
call?" (Surah 27:80),
which is a lot easier than creation. God did not
give Mohammed, the best of His people and
the Seal of the Prophets, the ability to make
the deaf hear. He challenged people to create
a fly ,but gave Christ the ability to create
birds. Birds are small creatures, but it is not a
matter of size, but of principle. He who
creates a small creature can create a big one.
This cannot be of man, but of God.
2) Knowing what is hidden:
God spoke of Himself in the Qur'an,
"Say: none in the heaven or on earth, except
Allah, knows what is hidden" (Surah 27:65),
"With Him are the keys to the unseen, the
treasures that none knoweth but He" (Surah
6:59).
In the first verse, the Qur'an emphasizes
beyond any doubt that knowing what is hidden
belongs only to God and nobody else. The
second verse underlines the fact that only God
knows the unseen and the future.
Meanwhile, the Qur'an teaches about
Mohammed that he used to rebuke anyone
who attributed to him the ability to know what
was hidden,
"Say: I tell you not that with me are the
treasures of Allah, nor do I know what is
hidden" (Surah 6:50).
One time Moaz said to Mohammed, "… if Allah
wills and you will", and Mohammed
interrupted him saying, "How could you make
me equivalent to Allah? No one in heaven or
on earth knows what is hidden but Allah."
As for Christ, we find all limitations removed.
He knows and does what every other person
cannot. The Qur'an says,
"And I declare to you what ye eat, and what
ye store in your houses" (Surah 3:49).
It is very unusual that in these verses Christ
speaks in the first person; it must be God
himself speaking . On the other hand,
Mohammed was always told what to 'say'.
Christ was unique because He spoke of
himself, which means that His abilities were
His and not acquired.
In Beginning and End by Ibn Kathir, part 2 and
page 86, I read a story that made me
ashamed. It was a proof beyond any doubt
that Christ possessed supernatural powers to
know what was hidden. (It is a long story;
those interested may refer to the book by Ibn
Kathir).
3) Healing the sick:
The Qur'an mentions Abraham's words that
God is the only healer,
"And when I am ill, it is He who cures
me" (Surah 26:80).
Mohammed said in an authentic Hadith, "Oh,
Allah, there is no healing but yours."
Meanwhile, in the Qur'an we find Christ
saying about Himself,
"I heal those born blind, and the
lepers" (Surah 3:49)
4) Giving life and death:
God is the only One who holds life and death
in His hand; no one else can give life or death.
The Qur'an says,
"And verily, it is We Who give life and Who
give death;: it is We Who remain inheritors
(after all else passes away)" (Surah 15:23),
"Verily, We shall give life to the dead, and We
record that which they leave behind" (Surah
36:12),
"Verily it is We Who give Life and Death; and
to Us is the Final Return" (Surah 50:43).
As for Christ, the Qur'an mentions that He
said about Himself,
"And I bring the dead into life by Allah's
leave." (Surah 3:49)
In his book Beginning and End, Ibn Kathir tells
a verified story that proves Christ had the
authority to give death as well as life. It is told
that Christ saw a woman crying over her
daughter, who had died long ago. He asked
her, "What makes you cry, woman?" She said,
"My daughter died and I have no more
children." Christ asked her, "Would you like
Me to raise her from the dead?" She said,
"Yes, O Spirit of God!" So, Christ stood by the
grave and called the girl three times. On the
third time, the little girl came out and talked
with her mother. Then the girl asked Christ to
let her return. He told her, "Go back!" The
grave closed and she was dead. (Beginning
and End by Ibn Kathir, part 2, page 84)
5) Giving sustenance:
The Qur'an says,
"For Allah is He Who gives (all) sustenance,
Lord of Power, Steadfast (for ever)" (Surah
51:58).
It is clearly stated that God is the only one
who can give sustenance. God rebuked
anyone who claimed the ability to give
sustenance to people. As for Christ, Ibn Kathir
mentioned that He had a special ability to give
sustenance to whomever He wished. The best
example was feeding the five thousand people
with little bread and a couple of fish.
6) Matchlessness:
The Qur'an says about God,
"There is nothing whatever like unto Him, and
He is the One that hears and sees" (Surah
42:11).
As for Christ, it goes without saying that He is
matchless. He was born from a virgin without
a man. He was the only One described as
'God's Word and a Spirit from Him'. He was
the only One over whom Satan did not have
any authority. He was the only One who had
divine characteristics.
Also out of all the people who have had a
miraculous entry into this world, he was the
only one to have a miraculous exit.
7) Commanding authority:
The Qur'an mentions this attribute of God,
"For anything which We have willed, We but
say 'Be', and it is" (Surah 16:40),
"When He decreeth a matter, He saith to it:
'Be,' and it is" (Surah 2:117).
This is a unique attribute of God, being able to
call something into existence. According to
Ibn Kathir, Christ manifested this attribute
when He changed the water into wine
(Beginning and End by Ibn Kathir, part 1, page
85).
His throne over the waters:
The Qur'an says about God's throne,
"And His throne was over the waters that He
might try you, which of you is best in
conduct" (Surah 11:7).
Kortobi and El-Hadathi said that this verse
also applied to Christ, whose throne was
made by God on the water in order to test
people's faith. Christ walked on the Sea of
Tiberias towards His disciples in order to test
their faith. He later said to them, "You of little
faith." (Matt. 8: 26)
9) Judge and Ruler:
The Qur'an says about God,
"The Command rests with none but Allah: He
declares the Truth, and He is the best of
judges" (Surah 6:57),
"Hold yourselves in patience until Allah doth
decide between us: for He is the best to
decide" (Surah 7:87).
El-Bokhary explained that he heard from Ibn
Abbas, who had heard the Prophet
Mohammed saying about Christ, "The Last
Day will not come until the son of Mary
comes back as a fair Judge to administer
justice and wipe out injustice."
10) A grasp over all visions:
The Qur'an says about God,
"No vision can grasp Him, but His grasp is
over all vision; He is subtle well-
aware." (Surah 6:103)
This is another attribute of God that Christ
manifested. Ibn Kathir and Kortobi told a story
that Christ was one day on a mountain and
the Romans wanted to arrest Him . He went
right through them and they could not see
Him, but He saw them all. (Sects and
Denominations by Sheheristani, page 27)
11) Most Gracious and Most Merciful:
The Qur'an says,
"And your God is one God: there is no god but
He, Most Gracious, Most Merciful" (Surah
2:163),
"Not one of the beings in the heavens and the
earth but must come to the Most Gracious as
a servant." (Surah 19:93)
In their books Sects and Denominations and
Proofs of Prophet-hood, Sheheristani and
Azraki mentioned that Christ was after the
image of God. He was compassionate. He
raised the daughter of Jairus from the dead
and healed many sick people . He created
eyes to the born blind by putting mud on the
man's eyes because that's how God created
in the beginning.
12) Speaks in Parables:
The Qur'an states that only God can speak in
Parables.
"Allah doth set forth Parables for men: and
Allah doth know all things" (Surah 24:35)
"So Allah sets forth Parables for men, in order
that they may receive admonition" (Surah
14:25)
In 'El-Kashaf', Ibn Kathir, Kortobi and
Zamakhshary say that God used parables to
bring people closer to Him, and so did Christ.
The New Testament is full of parables that no
other prophet told.
13) Sends messengers and gives them
power:
The Qur'an says,
"Set forth to them, by way of a parable, the
(story of) the Companions of the City. Behold,
there came messengers to it. When We (first)
sent to them two messengers, they rejected
them, but We strengthened them with a
third" (Surah 36:13)
Ibn Kathir and all interpreters agreed that the
mentioned city was Antioch, and the men
were messengers of Christ. They had
authority from Christ. What other Man has
such authority?
14) To be worshipped:
The Qur'an says,
"The Jews call Uzair a son of Allah, and the
Christians call Christ the Son of Allah. That is
a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but
imitate what the Unbelievers of old used to
say… they take their priests and anchorites to
be their lords beside Allah, and Christ the son
of Mary" (Surah 9:30)
Ibn Kotaiba sees this as a problematic verse,
because it puts worshipping God and Christ as
a commandment. So, Ibn Kotaiba thought in
order to avoid this problem ,the phrase 'Christ
the son of Mary' should be syntactically
interpreted as a 'second object' to the verb
'take' and not an 'annexment' to the word
'Allah'. This way the verse would not support
the Christian view of Christ's deity.
15) Comes in clouds:
The Qur'an says,
"Will they wait until Allah comes to them in
canopies of clouds?" (Surah 2:210)
Ibn El-Fadl El-Hadathi said that this verse
referred to Christ who would come back on
the Last Day on clouds. He also interpreted
the following verse as referring to Christ too,
"And thy Lord cometh, and His angels, rank
upon rank" (Surah 89:22)
16) In the Quran we read many Prophets
including Mohammed asking the forgiveness
of his faults. However no where does it state
that Jesus ever
had to ask for forgiveness of his faults.
17) How could an innocent person die for
sinners? "No bearer of burdens can bear the
burden of another" (Surah 17:15)
I was trying to refute the idea of 'Sacrificial
Death' when I came across the following
verse in the Qur'an,
"And remember Moses said to his people: 'O
my people! Ye have indeed wronged
yourselves by your worship of the calf: So
turn (in repentance) to your Maker, and slay
yourselves (the wrong-doers); that will be
better for you in the sight of your
Maker." (Surah 2:54)
I read Ibn Kathir's interpretation of this verse.
He said that the Israelites wanted to repent of
their sin of worshipping the calf, but God did
not accept their repentance. When Moses
mediated, God told him to tell the Israelites
that the only way to get forgiveness was that
each man should kill everybody he met. It is
said that they put on blindfolds so they would
not have mercy on their families but would
have the courage to obey God's order . Ibn
Kathir said that at least seventy thousands
were killed that day, and blood ran like a
stream. When God saw it was enough, He told
Moses to tell the Israelites to stop. God
accepted their repentance through the blood
of those who died . If someone did not
worship the calf and died as atonement for
those who did, why would we reject the idea
that the sinless Christ died for sinners, and
that He was still alive?
18) Also in the quran verse 157 of sura
Nisa'ah can be interpreted in many different
ways. It is true...they (the Jews) did not kill
him neither crucified him....because the
Romans did. Also it was made to appear to
them. How do we know that he didn't die and
hence wasn't crucifed ? That's because he
appeared again on Sunday Morning!!
19) Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take
thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee
(of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I
will make those who follow thee SUPERIOR to
those who reject faith, TO THE DAY OF
RESURRECTION: Then shall ye all return unto
Me, and I will judge between you of the
matters wherein ye dispute." S. 3:55
O ye who believe! Be ye helpers of Allah: as
said Jesus the son of Mary to the Disciples,
"Who will be my helpers to (the work of)
Allah?" Said the Disciples, "We are Allah's
helpers!" then a portion of the Children of
Israel believed, and a portion disbelieved: But
We gave power to those who believed against
their enemies, AND THEY BECAME THE ONES
THAT PREVAILED. S. 61:14
Noted Muslim commentator Ibn Kathir's
statements are most interesting. Commenting
on S. 3:55, he writes:
"This is what happened. When Allah raised
'Isa to heaven, his followers divided into
sects and groups. Some of them believed in
what Allah sent 'Isa as, a servant of Allah, His
Messenger, and the son of His female-
servant.
However, some of them went to the extreme
over 'Isa, believing that he was the son of
Allah. Some of them said that 'Isa was Allah
Himself, while others said that he was one of
a Trinity. Allah mentioned these false creeds
in the Qur'an and refuted them. The Christians
remained like this until the third century CE,
when a Greek king called, Constantine,
became a Christian for the purpose of
destroying Christianity. Constantine was either
a philosopher, or he was just plain ignorant.
Constantine changed the religion of 'Isa by
adding to it and deleting from it. He
established the rituals of Christianity and the
so-called Great Trust which is in fact the
Great Treachery. He also allowed them to eat
the meat of swine, changed the direction of
the prayer that 'Isa established to the east,
built churches for 'Isa, and added ten days to
the fast as compensation for a sin that he
committed, as claimed. So the religion of 'Isa
became the religion of Constantine, who built
more than twelve thousand churches, temples
and monasteries for the Christians as well as
the city that bears his name, Constantinople
(Istanbul). THROUGHOUT THIS TIME, the
Christians had the upper hand and dominated
the Jews. ALLAH AIDED THEM AGAINST THE
JEWS BECAUSE THEY USED TO BE CLOSER
TO THE TRUTH THAN THE JEWS, even
though both groups were and still are
disbelievers, may Allah's curse descend on
them." (Tafsir Ibn Kathir (Abridged), Volume 2,
Parts 3, 4, & 5 (Surat Al-Baqarah, Verse 253,
to Surat An-Nisa, Verse 147), abridged by a
group of scholars under the supervision of
Shaykh Safiur-Rahman Al-Mubarakpuri
[Darussalam Publishers & Distributors Riyadh,
Houston, New York, Lahore; First Edition:
March 2000], p. 171; bold and capital
emphasis ours; cf. online edition)
Another renowned commentary, Al-Qurtubi,
says of Surah 61:14:
It was said that THIS VERSE was revealed
about the apostles of Jesus, may peace and
blessing be upon him. Ibn Ishaq stated that of
the apostles and disciples that Jesus sent (to
preach) there were Peter AND PAUL who
went to Rome; Andrew and Matthew who went
to the land of the cannibals; Thomas who went
to Babel in the eastern lands; Philip who went
to Africa; John went to Dac-sos which is the
tribe to whom the sleepers of the cave
belonged; Jacob went to Jerusalem;
Bartholomew went to the lands of Arabia,
specifically Al-Hijaz; Simon who went to the
Barbarians; Judas and Barthas who went to
Alexandria and its surrounding regions.
Allah supported them (the apostles) with
evidence so that they prevailed (thahirin)
meaning they became the party with the upper
hand. Just as it is said, "An object appeared
on the wall" meaning it is clearly visible (alu-
wat) on the wall. Allah, who is glorified and
exalted, knows the truth better and to Him is
the return and retreat. (Source; translated into
English by Dimitrius, bold and capital
emphasis ours)
A Muslim may wish to argue that these
verses refer to Muhammad and the Muslims
as those who truly believe in Christ and
dominate till the Resurrection Day. This
explanation fails to resolve the issue. The
passages do not say that Christ's followers
would only prevail from the time of
Muhammad's advent, but from the time that
Christ was taken to God and unto the Day of
Resurrection .

truthman2012:
The only 'prophet' who raped

Annunaki:
Thank God they have started shutting down those terrorist breeding grounds, they still need to shut down a lot more though and other western countries including Nigeria ought to follow suit.