₦airaland Forum

bakila:
The Army has a duty to prevent internal aggression against Nigeria and its citizen. Kanu who riled up his follows is the onw who deserves ICC summons.

Internal (armed) insurrection, yes! But not against unarmed protesters. Did they attack police before the soldiers were called in?
Perhaps the state should have reported Kanu to ICC if they thought that was a good cause of action. But no state has the power or right to arbitrarily execute protesters.

bakila:
The state is doing its best to prevent the begining of first half and you are shouting ICC. ICC comes after extra time.

Actually, not everyone agrees the state is doing its best, that's why some are going to ICC.

bakila:
Someone was burnt alive. How will a state army react if a group of seperatist are burning Nigerians alive?

Where were the police when this was happening? What did they do? Isn't it their job to safeguard the civil population? Did they make arrest? Have they charged the culprits/perpetrators to court?

bakila:
Karma is a bitch. IPOB-Igboman and Shia on the same sentence of support by an Igbo. Like Kanu's IPOB like Shites, all boasted and tried to beat up the Nigeria Army free of charge. The consequences of their attempt is now subject of their petition, una well done carry go.

It's too early to claim victory. It's not even end of first half.

msylva2147:
so killing of the northerners and threatening the life of a sitting president is lawful abi? kwantinu because I am watching you in 3rd.

I do doubt if any Northerner was killed by IPOB.

Yet, if any Northerner was killed, the culprit(s) must be found, tried and punished for the crime if found guilty. I'm sure there is a law governing threat of life of sitting (or squatting president). And I'm 100% percent sure it's not extra judicial killing by soldiers.

brightalo17:
Yet ICC will clap for BSS as there own army and award them for stoning Nigerian army on parade?
Hope you have the name of those individuals that killed those people?
Hope you have the shooting videos as evidence?


Court case are won with evidence not emotions and claims, if there is no evidence it will remain Nigerian army word against BSS word which is You kill and the army will say I didn't kill, So the court will do what without evidence?

There are abundant of evidence bro. Don't forget Amnesty International (who will be called as witness) have done their own independent verifications. Those people who were killed have family, and their testimony will count. BSS could as well be BullShiYTY Saga as they were neither armed nor killed anyone.

One good point you have made though is sticking to the army's original line that they didn't kill anyone. Now we can only hope that IPOB (Internationally recognised, locally proscribed) in collaboration with their foreign partners can prove that Soldiers slaughtered people in Abia as they did in Kaduna (Shia). Surely one of these will stick and it will be enough for crime against humanity charge against Buratia and the one who commanded him.

Best chance Nigeria have is to kill the matter before it gets to the court. Can they?

mrvitalis:
George bush still walk free, ex France president still walk free , Putin walks free after Georgia?

Why didn't they try Mubarak? Or the past Tunisian president ?

Ooh China dealing with its people everyday in eastern China

It's true. Sadly those people you mentioned with the exclusion of Mubarak and Tunisian president are veto wielding powers at the UN Security Council. And I know for certain that the US is not a signatory to the ICC charter.

Nigeria may yet get away with this barbarity if she plays her cards well. But it's not enough to chestbeat and say nothing will happen at the ICC after several petition. The ICC stands to lose face and bite if it's seen to fail to act. And failing to act means that third world and developing countries such as Nigeria with weak governance, and semi-failed states my engage in impunity.

The promise to hold erring leaders accountable is an insurance against genocide. They won't stand by and let this deterrence be eroded. Nigeria hasn't heard the last of this IPOB matter. And it will surely resurrect the Shai massacre.

Buratai has comitted one atrocity too many. Buhari will save his hide by claiming he (Buratia) acted alone/rouge!

brightalo17:
Only When ICC tell you that army did that for defensive measure since even you yourself have stated how unjustifiable there action was by creating BSS e.t.c, so what exactly do you expect ICC to do maybe Ban Nigerian army or jail Buhari? abeg stop dreaming and face reality.

Kpata kpata they'll tell Nigerians to live in peace and advice people not to cause problems that will lead to such problem next time.

Usually, criminals don't admit to their crimes. Currently, the Nigeria Army's position is that they didn't kill anyone. They have not stated they kill anyone while defending themselves. I think they will maintain that lie if/when invited to the ICC.

ICC cannot and will not ban Nigeria Army. What the ICC can do is to recommended punishment for culpable individuals. The job of the court is to dispense justice and melt punishment as deterrence. And I won't stop dreaming as MKO Abiola who reputed to have once said, "He who does not dream cannot have vision."

Nigeria cannot have peace without justice; it's not done anywhere as it leads to impunity. What was norm in 19th and 20th century is no longer norm today. As an Igboman, I'm inherently abhorrent to injustice. Those who murder the innocent bystanders and protesters in Kaduna (Shia) and Abia (IPOB) should pay the price!

mrvitalis:
Army can have parade anywhere within Nigeria including kanus house get that

Yes they can have a parade in your house. And that would be provocation.

But I won't blame you if you didn't know that. A lot of you don't know your left from your right.

You are like Boxer in Animal Farm whose maxim is:

"Comrade Napoleon is right; I must work harder!"

But truth is Comrade Buhari/Buratai are not always right. You need to stay above bigotry and blind patriotism.

Buhari/Buratia were wrong to have slaughtered the Shia; and were wrong to have killed people when they stormed Abia. If I'm still here when they come to have parade in your house, and they kill or capture your family, I'll still maintain they are wrong!

brightalo17:
So creating Bss, waving Biafran flag and threatening a sitting president's life is justifiable, or you think ICC are dumb?

While that is not justifiable, it is still not sufficient reason to deploy soldiers to kill civilians. That's is not rule of law.
ICC will take that (threats) into account, but I tell you it pales in significance to what the soldiers did.

mrvitalis:
Lol we all know army was provocated I had friends serving close to Kanu house

Are you paid per post? Cos I don't understand your need for multiple post with paralogism. I don't who did this to you guys, it could be lack of proper education, or none attachment of value to sanctity of life. Whatever be the case, you can still be redeemed.

[b]Provocation [/b]is the Nigeria Army having a 'drill' in front of Nnamdi Kanu house, not someone allegedly pelting the soldiers with stones. Even if provoked with stone pelting, there is a standard rule of engagement in civilian areas.

Did you carefully observe that the Army deny killing anyone? Why do think they are doing that? It's simply because they know it's wrong to do so. So if you are compelled to lie like the army, you should be insisting they didn't do any of those things they are being accused of. But don't excuse it as due to provocation. You are not helping their case.

mrvitalis:
Kanu is not important at state level not to talk of men know all over the world , as far as this men don't challenge the power that be nothing would happen

Crime against humanity is not about killing important people. It's about extra judicial killing.

And if you think kanu is not important, you may want to tell me who is as important as Kanu is your lineage!

Yyeske:
New government and you'll be president to take Buhari to the ICC.

Why don't shut up if you have nothing meaningful to contribute. Is it compulsory to post in every thread?

marv1:
Now playing the victim card. Where was he when Kanu was making hate speeches and saying elections will not hold as if he was a field Marshall.
Yeye hungry journalist. When he is true he should also petition all other international bodies. Arrogant empty chest beating generation that will never learn.. Always making no sense.

Hate speech (if a crime by Nigeria law) should be addressed by the court.

Shooting and killing people arbitrary is jungle justice, and crime against humanity. I don't know why this is difficult to understand. Hate speech and incitement to violence is not an excuse to kill people. Arrest and prosecute! That's what civilized countries do.

The fact that Nigeria behaves like a stone age country is not ICC's fault. The ICC will definitely take this serious as they don't pander to the same ethnic bigotry that blinds several Nigerians like you to the truth.

mrvitalis:
ICC is powerless against a country like Nigeria

ICC would be careful not to anger Nigeria(South Africa is already vexing ) because by so doing

We can make Africa pull out of the ICC


The Supreme Court is obviously independent and can handle anything you want

Don't be foolish.

What it takes is a new government in Nigeria tomorrow and the sentiment will change! Buhari will not last forever as president, and Buratai might still become a scape goat sooner or later. Now currently international politics may be favorable, but it won't remain so forever. Look at Saddam (armed by the US against Iran), Osama (a CIA boy used against Russia), Gaddafi. These people were respected at some point until the politics changed.

Best approach is for people to conduct themselves according to rule of law and international best practice. Provoking, shooting and killing unarmed civilians is not allowed anywhere in the world. So don't hail or encourage people in power to abuse their privilege.

Even if Buhari pulls Nigeria out of ICC to avoid the mess the created, what assurance do you have that the next president will not revoke that decision.

In a nutshell, quit being myopic, think far! See tomorrow!!

Yyeske:
Who is holding you from leaving? Who are you even speaking for?

Please who are you? And what are you doing here?

Goke7:
Abaribe no be God nah, meanwhile your SE senators have gone to aso rock to beg as usual and to complain about your bad roads, is that how to agitate?

Quit being clever by half.

In which part of the world do you see corrupt politicians agitating? Agitate for what if not for continuation of the status quo. Did you see Shonekan agitate when he was named Interim President.

Goke7:
chai see painment, my guy go and have a plan for your personal life and aspire to join the league of highly successful Nigerians who are making waves despite all the negativity. Even the agitations are jokes cos we Nigerians are not sincere to one another. Nobody including you and I should form saints, nobody holy pass.

Clown.

I bet you don't even know the definition of success. I won't be surprised if you equate it to bank account balance. Typical Nigger-area mentality. Keep forming successful on Nairaland!

These guys are just beating about the bush.

The people of Biafra just want to be free. You lots (talking to the president) are the ones who need the pittance. You represent your pockets and interest not that of the people!

GetMeRight:
Time is fast running? Assuming that Kanu was either killed or kidnapped by soldiers, what do you think will happen to the government if he's not produced either dead or life? I think chest beating still continue...........

Why are they trying hard to cover up the crime if they are not worried about consequence?

Goke7:
because abaribe is the President of biafra abi

Because Nigeria is a joke; a lawless fiefdom! And that is exactly why nothing will happen to Abaribe. Now, you can take that to the bank!

Goke7:
that is what you and your kits and kin think but to Google, Facebook and co they don't agree with you, naija is the next big thing as far as they are concerned, the Nigerian market is something they don't easily see else where, you how many multinational IT firms are this country making megabucks? check wikipedia, Nigeria is an emerging world power. You think PMB and other leaders are making noise at the UN for nothing? My guy cure your ignorance fast. Nigeria may be in ruins to you and that's the lie some deceptive politicians have sold to you so you can continue to languish in lack while they smile to the banks. You want to have your country indeed? Next time when you see soldiers on your street, stand up to them and stop shouting for help upandan, then we know you are serious instead of all these empty boasts and noise

Nigeria is and remains a joke, and that's how the world sees it. A stunted underdeveloped geographical expression. A joke of a president; a joke of an army (more like police), and complete mess of a country - a jungle. A country as you say, where politicians smile to the bank, while citizens swim in squalor is what kind of country exactly? Again a joke; a laughing stock in comity of nations.

But then I can understand the 'monkey no fine, him mama like am' posturing of yours. Keep deceiving yourself.

Goke7:
so says your lordship anyway PMB should not be your worry now, how abaribe will maneuver this should of utmost concern now, no be everything be gra gra. I was one of those who felt the SE senators were too much in a hurry in the kanu bail matter, all legal considerations must have been well thought out but how come Theodore orji who is the senator representing kanu's constituency did not stand as surety for kanu? that he was out of town shouldn't have been an excuse. I think many folks would have learnt their lesson now including all of us

Abaribe has nothing to worry about.

Those who kidnapped or killed Nnamdi will have to answer first before Abaribe.

Goke7:
oga forget international community, what have they done to the likes of the syrian president, Nigeria is not a kid in the international community to be bullied. There are lots of international interests in Nigeria, you know how many billions of dollars they make here? No secession agitations can succeed in Nigeria cos we all don't have anywhere to go to be it yoruba, hausa, igbo and all other tribes, agitations will come and go. We Nigerians no too like fight, once we see soldiers on the road na so we go begin shout international community upadan, is that how to succeed in agitations? forget that thing no naija tribe get liver, na noise we sabi

You overestimate Nigeria; a gloried joke in the comity of nation.

As per the so-called billions the international community are making, why do you think they wont make same or more in a divided and more prosperous countries that will emerge from the ruin of Nigeria? Yoruba and Hausa may be stuck with Nigeria, some of us are not; and are not afraid of having our own country. So speak for yourself.

GetMeRight:
More Kanus are welcome as their will be many more soldiers to deal with them.

Make no mistake, you can't kill them all. One is bound to succeed sooner or later, and some of these soldiers will have to answer to international community. Politics and interest change very quickly especially in this part of the world. Don't get caught in international crime like genocide and crime against humanity.

Government cannot shield your forever. Ask Charles Taylor, Laurent Gbagbo etc.

Goke7:
Have you asked yourself why a strong case could not be made by him even by the former administration? adoke who was the then attorney general will tell you better how he advised GEJ not to waste his time. By law PMB was more than enough qualified to be elected despite all the noise.

A strong case by who? It appears your train on thought is faster than your fingers. It does happen.


In anycase, PMB was elected despite his perjury! That we can very much agree on.

Government didn't want his to appear in court.

They have either captured or killed him.

Bolustical:
The Army that was very professional in not killing Mohammed Yusuf will now kill Kanu. Kanu is too small for the NA to kill.

If not for the fact that the government needs Kanu alive so as to make him an example, do you think he would have escaped? If they really wanted him, they would have gotten him.

The FG is not willing to make him popular again by capturing him thus it is preferred for him to be sent into perpetual oblivion. Kanu will become very unpopular after the success of November 2017 guber election in Anambra.

A man has no brain!

PearlStreet:
Challenging it is not his job. It is ideas like this that put ipob in trouble.

When filing documents for the lawsuit, he is to add an affidavit that he has locus. What gives him locus? An express instruction by Kanu to sue.

If he doesn't have that, the case is thrown out for lack of locus standi. If he is proven to have fraudulently claimed to have, he stands risk of perjury.

Do you know the kind of agreement he signed to be Kanu's lawyer? Do you know the briefings he gets from Kana/IPOB? If you don't know, you'll be best served keeping a lid on your trap.

Goke7:
what do you expect from folks who call themselves lawmakers but know nothing about the law. That is why a senator will still make false claim that he is a university graduate when according to the law even his primary six certificate makes him qualified to be elected as a lawmaker. That's how ignorant they are.

They are not different from the illiterate president whose forged certificate tried to put a wool over our eyes by claiming he failed wood and maths.
Looks like they are birds of a feather - the Senators and the President, all exalted semi-literates.

By and large, Abaribe is a foolish man if he cannot defend himself of among his peers. He's done no wrong standing surety for Kanu. As at last count, Kanu was committed to storming Abuja with his supporter for the court case.

It was the stupidity of the commander-in-chief and his lackeys that brought the situation. Abaribe should man-up and dismiss this cheap blackmail.

PearlStreet:
Keep fooling yourselves.

Have u forgotten that after Kanu went missing, Ipob was proscribed. When Kanu's lawyer went to Court to challenge the proscription, he stated in his deposition that he has Kanu's mandate and authority to challenge the proscription of Ipob.

In trying to dribble others, you've been dribbled.

As Kanu's lawyer challenging illegality against his client is his job, he needs not other express permission.

Kanu is either kidnapped or held by the government. There is no other logical conclusion to this.