Lumijeje and Jesujnr are antichrist.

These are part of the fulfillment of the prophecy that antichrist shall come in the last days.

Kobojunkie:
According to Jesus Christ, indeed, His followers are commanded against installing themselves into such hierarchies(positions of authority or leadership) over their bretheren as is found among the gentiles, as you rightly pointed out.

I too disbelief Paul's supposed statement there which you point out as it stands in direct contradiction to the teachings of Jesus Christ whom we are called to accept(trust) and obey.

God bless you. You asked why I stopped @ no 4 and I'm going to answer you honestly. It's simply because I realise people are not ready for the truth.

When working on these threads, I received alot of negative emotions. I was feeling like the devil depriving people of their means of livelihood. That's never my objective. Maybe one day I'll be inspire to finish what I started.

livingchrist:
Lumijeje and Jesujnr are antichrist.

These are part of the fulfillment of the prophecy that antichrist shall come in the last days.

Anti-Christ is any spirit which is against the teachings of Jesus Christ. If you choose the teachings of another man, without first making certain those teachings align with that which Jesus Christ gave you, you are antichrist -against Christ.

luvmijeje:
I want to thank these two men for pushing me to get to this moment. Jesusjnr for being the first to challenge the teaching of Paul(That I've seen). And muttleylaff for challenging me for daring to question Paul. Believe it or not when I first told muttleylaff that the teaching of Paul differs from the teaching of Christ, I had no clue how. But in subsequent days I started receiving revelations. So it's time to share my revelations. For those who don't know what revelation is....... Revelation is seeing things in a new light. So let's proceed.

1st Corinthians 12 : 28(Paul's teaching)


The introduction of spiritual hierarchy was never part of Christ's teachings rather he was against it.

In Matthew 12 : 46 - 50(Christ's teaching)



No one came first, second nor third.

I just burst into this thread. I once had kobojunkie's views interesting on Paul's writings. However, I beg to differ. Jesus and Paul do not differ in their teachings at all.

1. Jesus Himself after ascension looked for Paul who had under had understanding in the Law of Moses to pass across His mind. Mind you, during Jesus earthly ministry, Paul was in Syria. He didn't know Jesus. This is made clear in his encounter on the way to Damascus.

2. Paul taught mostly what was revealed to him, which the earlier Apostles could comprehend being unlettered. Peter attested to this 2 Peter 3:15-16

3. The whole of New Testament arrangements and worship patterns and ministerial offices are different from those of Old Testament in context and content.
This was made known to Paul to relate to the church. The early apostles didn't even know what to believe. They saw manifestation of the Holy Spirit. They had to hold the first synod to agree on what to start with different from the Mosaic arrangements.

4. The Ministerial offices rather than hierarchy is exclusive given by the giftings of the Spirit rather than what we have today.
5. On the whole, there are two syllabuses for the same course presented to two different dispensations. In the New World, the foundation would be laid with the names of the Apostles or their teachings

19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Ephesians 2: 19 - 20


AND



The gate marked with the names of the children of Israel as I think, the whole of the world are only twelve races to God
( When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel. Deuteronomy 32: 8 )

12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel: 13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates. 14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. 15 And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.
Revelation 12 12 - 16

6. I don't think Paul did anything differently, although, Paul gave some opinions in some cases and he remarked that especially on marital issues and women in ministry. And in some cases, his suggestion was for the time being.
26 I suppose therefore that this is good for the present distress, I say, that it is good for a man so to be. ICor. 7: 26.

Kobojunkie:
Anti-Christ is any spirit which is against the teachings of Jesus Christ. If you choose the teachings of another man, without first making certain those teachings align with that which Jesus Christ gave you, you are antichrist -against Christ.

1 Timothy 6:3-4 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,

Galatians 1:8
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

These are satanic doctrines of balaam and Jezebel perverting the church.


Jude 1:16
These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.

2 Corinthians 11:14-15 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

luvmijeje:
God bless you. You asked why I stopped @ no 4 and I'm going to answer you honestly. It's simply because I realise people are not ready for the truth.

When working on these threads, I received alot of negative emotions. I was feeling like the devil depriving people of their means of livelihood. That's never my objective. Maybe one day I'll be inspire to finish what I started.

You receive a lot of negative emotions?

You were feeling like the devil depriving people of their means of livelihood? Do you care more for the livelihood of those Jesus Christ called false teachers and false prophets than you do about professing the Truth of Jesus Christ?

So when is the day that speaking the Truth of God over the lies that are the doctrines and traditions of men will again come back in "fashion" for you?

livingchrist:
1 Timothy 6:3-4 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,

Galatians 1:8
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

These are satanic doctrines of balaam and Jezebel perverting the church.


Jude 1:16
These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.

2 Corinthians 11:14-15 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

The teachings Jesus Christ called on you to accept and obey are His own teachings/commandments. Jesus Christ being the truth of God, the very words out of the mouth of God Himself. So any teaching that runs contrary, in any way or form, against what Jesus Christ taught, is antiTruth .ie. antiChrist.... a lie.
And as Jesus Christ Himself commanded, you are to throw away those doctrines and traditions of men because they are antiChrist in nature - they nullify the very power of God in your lives and make worthless your worship of God. So you decide. Do you serve Jesus Christ or do you serve men and their opinions of what Jesus Christ said?

Kobojunkie:
The teachings Jesus Christ called on you to accept and obey are His own teachings/commandments. Jesus Christ being the truth of God, the very words out of the mouth of God Himself. So any teaching that runs contrary, in any way or form, against what Jesus Christ taught, is antiTruth .ie. antiChrist.... a lie.
And as Jesus Christ Himself commanded, you are to throw away those doctrines and traditions of men because they are antiChrist in nature - they nullify the very power of God in your lives and make worthless your worship of God. So you decide. Do you serve Jesus Christ or do you serve men and their opinions of what Jesus Christ said?

Is it the teachings of the apostles you are calling the teachings of men?

Satan had captured you already,

For the true Christian he stands firm in the traditions, words and teachings of the apostles

2 Thessalonians 2:14-15 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

If you do not continue in the apostles doctrine you are not a true christian

The same spirit that was on Jesus is on the Christian and, the apostles. Jesus and all christian are one,
What Jesus taught is what the apostles taught and vice versa.

You cannot accept the doctrine of Jesus and reject the doctrine of the apostle because they are one.
Same way the pharisees rejected Jesus teaching because they claim Jesus was bringing a different revelation from that of God.

John 17:11
And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

John 17:22
And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:


1 John 2:19
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.


If you dont follow the apostles teachings you are not of God.

1 John 4:6
We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

Jesusjnr and lumvmejeje are ruled by the spirit of error

livingchrist:


Is it the teachings of the apostles you are calling the teachings of men?

Satan had captured you already,

For the true Christian he stands firm in the traditions, words and teachings of the apostles

2 Thessalonians 2:14-15 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

If you do not continue in the apostles doctrine you are not a true christian
The same spirit that was on Jesus is on the Christian and, the apostles. Jesus and all christian are one,
What Jesus taught is what the apostles taught and vice versa.
You cannot accept the doctrine of Jesus and reject the doctrine of the apostle because they are one.
Same way the pharisees rejected Jesus teaching because they claim Jesus was bringing a different revelation from that of God.
John 17:11
And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
John 17:22
And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
1 John 2:19
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
If you dont follow the apostles teachings you are not of God.

1 John 4:6
We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
Jesusjnr and lumvmejeje are ruled by the spirit of error

Where the apostles of Jesus Christ not men like you and I?
Why would you pretend their teaching matters more than the very teachings of the one you claim to be God over your own soul?
In the Gospel of John, you are informed that it is the teachings of Jesus Christ that is Spirit(The Living Word of God). Any teaching that does not align with the Spirit is not living and so isn't that reason why you should ensure that you filter everything you are taught, by any man, through the Truth(Spirit) of Jesus Christ?
If the teachings of a servant do not align with the teachings of the Master, do you blindly follow the servant, ignoring the Master, simply because the servant tells you so?

MightySparrow:


I just burst into this thread. I once had kobojunkie's views interesting on Paul's writings. However, I beg to differ. Jesus and Paul do not differ in their teachings at all.

1. Jesus Himself after ascension looked for Paul who had under had understanding in the Law of Moses to pass across His mind. Mind you, during Jesus earthly ministry, Paul was in Syria. He didn't know Jesus. This is made clear in his encounter on the way to Damascus.

2. Paul taught mostly what was revealed to him, which the earlier Apostles could comprehend being unlettered. Peter attested to this 2 Peter 3:15-16

3. The whole of New Testament arrangements and worship patterns and ministerial offices are different from those of Old Testament in context and content.
This was made known to Paul to relate to the church. The early apostles didn't even know what to believe. They saw manifestation of the Holy Spirit. They had to hold the first synod to agree on what to start with different from the Mosaic arrangements.

4. The Ministerial offices rather than hierarchy is exclusive given by the giftings of the Spirit rather than what we have today.
5. On the whole, there are two syllabuses for the same course presented to two different dispensations. In the New World, the foundation would be laid with the names of the Apostles or their teachings

19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Ephesians 2: 19 - 20


AND



The gate marked with the names of the children of Israel as I think, the whole of the world are only twelve races to God
( When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel. Deuteronomy 32: 8 )

12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel: 13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates. 14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. 15 And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.
Revelation 12 12 - 16

6. I don't think Paul did anything differently, although, Paul gave some opinions in some cases and he remarked that especially on marital issues and women in ministry. And in some cases, his suggestion was for the time being.
26 I suppose therefore that this is good for the present distress, I say, that it is good for a man so to be. ICor. 7: 26.

In relation to the second point you raised, let me highlight part of the scripture you quoted.... 2nd Peter 3:15

Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him

Emphasis on Wisdom God gave to him. This is my question to you. Was Paul's wisdom higher than the wisdom God gave to you? Please have this at the back of your mind before giving me an answer.

1. Paul never got to meet Christ neither do you
2. Paul was not a jew neither are you
3. Paul was a man, so are you
4. Paul journey through life is not the same as yours
5. So why must you apply the same wisdom God gave to him to your journey in life?

Kobojunkie:
You receive a lot of negative emotions?

You were feeling like the devil depriving people of their means of livelihood? Do you care more for the livelihood of those Jesus Christ called false teachers and false prophets than you do about professing the Truth of Jesus Christ?

So when is the day that speaking the Truth of God over the lies that are the doctrines and traditions of men will again come back in "fashion" for you?

When will it come back in fashion?

I honestly don't know. As long as their teachings don't to lead to death, I have learnt to make my peace with it. Live and people live. If the teachings work for them, who am I to disagree.

luvmijeje:

When will it come back in fashion?

I honestly don't know. As long as their teachings don't to lead to death, I have learnt to make my peace with it. Live and people live. If the teachings work for them, who am I to disagree.

As long as their teachings don't lead to death?

I am curious now...do you believe in Jesus Christ or is this just a hobby for you?

luvmijeje:


In relation to the second point you raised, let me highlight part of the scripture you quoted.... 2nd Peter 3:15

Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him

Emphasis on Wisdom God gave to him. This is my question to you. Was Paul's wisdom higher than the wisdom God gave to you? Please have this at the back of your mind before giving me an answer.

1. Paul never got to meet Christ neither do you
2. Paul was not a jew neither are you
3. Paul was a man, so are you
4. Paul journey through life is not the same as yours
5. So why must you apply the same wisdom God gave to him to your journey in life?

1. Paul met Jesus, who commissioned him, and gave him the template to follow. Acts 9 :3 - 6; 15 - 17
2. Paul was a Jew, from the tribe of Benjamin, he was a student of Gamaliel, an expert of Hebrew's Law, he was living in Damascus, he obtained Roman citizenship.
3. He was a man like me, and unlike me because God gave him an assignment to me - a gentile. Not the other way round.
4. Our journey through life are not and cannot be the same because we are on different assignments.
5. Since God reached me through him, I must live by the wisdom communicated via him by God. Wisdom of God not of Paul.
It is like you don't have a Bible or you don't read it.

MightySparrow:

1. Paul met Jesus, who commissioned him, and gave him the template to follow. Acts 9 :3 - 6; 15 - 17
2. Paul was a Jew, from the tribe of Benjamin, he was a student of Gamaliel, an expert of Hebrew's Law, he was living in Damascus, he obtained Roman citizenship.
3. He was a man like me, and unlike me because God gave him an assignment to me - a gentile. Not the other way round.
4. Our journey through life are not and cannot be the same because we are on different assignments.
5. Since God reached me through him, I must live by the wisdom communicated via him by God. Wisdom of God not of Paul.
It is like you don't have a Bible or you don't read it.

1. But did he meet him when he was alive?
2. Let me have a scriptural reference
3. So you don't have a ministry? Emphasis on ministry. Not church.
4. If you are on different assignment then why did you say he was unlike you in your 3rd point?
5. In what way did God reach you through him? Remember you have read other books written by those who said they are inspired by God such as David, Solomon, Moses. God gave David wisdom to marry many wives while he gave Paul wisdom to marry no wife. My question again, if your journey in life are not the same why apply the wisdom God gave to Paul to your life?

Kobojunkie:
As long as their teachings don't lead to death?

I am curious now...do you believe in Jesus Christ or is this just a hobby for you?

I'll be honest with you. I don't believe Christ was born by virgin Mary. I don't believe he died on that cross for our sin. I believe the Bible have been doctored by men in order to control men.

luvmijeje:
I'll be honest with you. I don't believe Christ was born by virgin Mary. I don't believe he died on that cross for our sin. I believe the Bible have been doctored by men in order to control men.

Now it all makes a lot of sense!

Not saying that you are wrong in any way... just that I finally get you.

Kobojunkie:
Now it all makes a lot of sense!

Not saying that you are wrong in any way... just that I finally get you.

Thank you for getting me but I'm still waiting for the other shoe to drop.

luvmijeje:


1. But did he meet him when he was alive?
2. Let me have a scriptural reference
3. So you don't have a ministry? Emphasis on ministry. Not church.
4. If you are on different assignment then why did you say he was unlike you in your 3rd point?
5. In what way did God reach you through him? Remember you have read other books written by those who said they are inspired by God such as David, Solomon, Moses. God gave David wisdom to marry many wives while he gave Paul wisdom to marry no wife. My question again, if your journey in life are not the same why apply the wisdom God gave to Paul to your life?

1. Paul wasn't living in Israel during the three and half years ministry of Jesus. Read Act of Apostles. He was taking letters from the Leaders in Jerusalem to arrest people that followed Jesus teachings and ways. He said he was from Tarsus, modern day Turkey. They may have. never have met in person. However, His choice as an Apostle was absolutely Jesus'

2. When Jesus talked to him in an encounter among many travellers, Jesus had to introduce himself to Paul.
He , Jesus, even sent him to Anna's to tell him more about his assignment.

3. Well I do have, but not as Paul whose ministry was to introduce the true God to a people with no knowledge of Him. And, the saving grace in Jesus. As a Christian, all I do is according to what is written, not to stand in isolation or have a special revelation of God like Mohammad.

4. He was a pioneer of s new other, I am not.

5. In spite of calling to specific ministry, he has a choice as I. He chose not to marry not by commandment. Jeremiah also didn't marry by choice. Jesus chose Peter a married man. Paul decided not to take anything from members not because it was the rule but choice.
If not because of the spread of Christianity, all the books of Moses, David etc would not be known. They were circulating among Israelites alone. Paul analyses of them gives the understanding that what was once thought to be for Israel alone has global application, some of them.

luvmijeje:
1. Paul never got to meet Christ neither do you

Correct

luvmijeje:
2. Paul was not a jew neither are you

No, Paul was a Jew. In fact he was in training as a Pharisee

luvmijeje:
3. Paul was a man, so are you

Correct!

luvmijeje:
4. Paul journey through life is not the same as yours

Correct!

luvmijeje:
5. So why must you apply the same wisdom God gave to him to your journey in life?

You are right. Every person who makes the decision to follow Jesus Christ is commanded by Jesus Christ to follow Him, and not men.We are all called to accept(trust) and obey the teachings/commandments of Jesus Christ who is the New Covenant that God promised His people through the Prophets

luvmijeje:
1. But did he meet him when he was alive?

No

luvmijeje:
2. Let me have a scriptural reference

Philipians 3 vs 4-6 (ERV)
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4. Even if I am able to trust in myself, still I don’t do it. If anyone else thinks they have a reason to trust in themselves, they should know that I have a greater reason for doing so.
5. I was circumcised on the eighth day after my birth. I am from the people of Israel and the tribe of Benjamin. I am a true Jew, and so were my parents. The law was very important to me. That is why I became a Pharisee.
6. I was so eager to defend my religion[c] that I persecuted the church. And no one could find fault with the way I obeyed the Law of Moses.

There Paul revealed a bit of himself.

luvmijeje:
3. So you don't have a ministry? Emphasis on ministry. Not church.

Jesus Christ commanded all of His followers to go INTO THE WORLD to preach His Gospel of the Kingdom to them. So, from before the time of Paul, Christ already sent out His entire team to the very same Gentiles.

luvmijeje:
4. If you are on different assignment then why did you say he was unlike you in your 3rd point?

Every follower of Jesus Christ was given by Jesus Christ, the same mandate.

luvmijeje:
5. In what way did God reach you through him? Remember you have read other books written by those who said they are inspired by God such as David, Solomon, Moses. God gave David wisdom to marry many wives while he gave Paul wisdom to marry no wife. My question again, if your journey in life are not the same why apply the wisdom God gave to Paul to your life?

Your question is a good one. And I will leave it to be anwered by the one it is directed at.

MightySparrow:


1. Paul wasn't living in Israel during the three and half years ministry of Jesus. Read Act of Apostles. He was taking letters from the Leaders in Jerusalem to arrest people that followed Jesus teachings and ways. He said he was from Tarsus, modern day Turkey. They may have. never have met in person. However, His choice as an Apostle was absolutely Jesus'

2. When Jesus talked to him in an encounter among many travellers, Jesus had to introduce himself to Paul.
He , Jesus, even sent him to Anna's to tell him more about his assignment.

3. Well I do have, but not as Paul whose ministry was to introduce the true God to a people with no knowledge of Him. And, the saving grace in Jesus. As a Christian, all I do is according to what is written, not to stand in isolation or have a special revelation of God like Mohammad.

4. He was a pioneer of s new other, I am not.

5. In spite of calling to specific ministry, he has a choice as I. He chose not to marry not by commandment. Jeremiah also didn't marry by choice. Jesus chose Peter a married man. Paul decided not to take anything from members not because it was the rule but choice.
If not because of the spread of Christianity, all the books of Moses, David etc would not be known. They were circulating among Israelites alone. Paul analyses of them gives the understanding that what was once thought to be for Israel alone has global application, some of them.

1. You are missing my point. You and Paul didn't get to meet Jesus when he was on earth. You learnt about him through others who met him. You and Paul are in the same category.

2. Paul encountered Jesus on his way to Damascus by seeing a light. He didn't see Jesus eye to eye. Haven't you encountered Christ before? What makes Paul's case spectacular?

3. Exactly my point. You all choose a mediocre life. You all choose go through life by doing copy copy. You are living Paul's life. You are living a life that's not yours. You have all choose to put God in a box. I believe God's dynamic and we shouldn't see God the same way.

4. You choose to be a follow follow. You choose live your life according to the dictates of others.

5. That's another way where the teachings of Christ is different from Paul. Christ detest the church structure but Paul believed in it. What do I mean?

Mark 13 : 1-2

And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!

2 And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

Kobojunkie:
Correct
No, Paul was a Jew. In fact he was in training as a Pharisee
Correct!
Correct!
You are right. Every person who makes the decision to follow Jesus Christ is commanded by Jesus Christ to follow Him, and not men.We are all called to accept(trust) and obey the teachings/commandments of Jesus Christ who is the New Covenant that God promised His people through the Prophets

But in Act 22 : 27 : 28, Paul in own words

27 Then the chief captain came, and said unto him, Tell me, art thou a Roman? He said, Yea.

28 And the chief captain answered, With a great sum obtained I this freedom. And Paul said, But I was free born.

Please explain the above.

luvmijeje:

But in Act 22 : 27 : 28, Paul in own words
27 Then the chief captain came, and said unto him, Tell me, art thou a Roman? He said, Yea.
28 And the chief captain answered, With a great sum obtained I this freedom. And Paul said, But I was free born.
Please explain the above.

Paul was born to Jewish parents(making in a Jew of course), in the country of syria, which at the time was under Roman occupation i.e. a part of the known Roman Empire back then.

Philipians 3 vs 4-6 (ERV)
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1. Paul said, “My brothers and fathers, listen to me! I will make my defense to you.”
2. When the Jews heard Paul speaking Aramaic, they became very quiet. Then Paul said,
3. “I am a Jew, born in Tarsus in the country of Cilicia. I grew up in this city. I was a student of Gamaliel,[a] who carefully taught me everything about the law of our fathers. I was very serious about serving God, the same as all of you here today.
4. I persecuted the people who followed the Way. Some of them were killed because of me. I arrested men and women and put them in jail.
5. “The high priest and the whole council of older Jewish leaders can tell you that this is true. One time these leaders gave me some letters. The letters were to the Jewish brothers in the city of Damascus. I was going there to arrest the followers of Jesus and bring them back to Jerusalem for punishment.

luvmijeje:


But in Act 22 : 27 : 28, Paul in own words

27 Then the chief captain came, and said unto him, Tell me, art thou a Roman? He said, Yea.

28 And the chief captain answered, With a great sum obtained I this freedom. And Paul said, But I was free born.

Please explain the above.

Paul's country was part of the Roman Empire when he was born so he would have been a Jew and a Roman, just like those of us born pre-1960 were Nigerians with British passports.

Kobojunkie:
Paul was born to Jewish parents(making in a Jew of course), in the country of Damascus, which at the time was under Roman occupation i.e. a part of the known Roman Empire back then.

So thank you for quoting the passage you quoted, let's go back to the same chapter you quoted and let's go downward Phil 3:5

. “The high priest and the whole council of older Jewish leaders can tell you that this is true. One time these leaders gave me some letters. The letters were to the Jewish brothers in the city of Damascus. I was going there to arrest the followers of Jesus and bring them back to Jerusalem for punishment.

Please follow my thought.

1. Paul is a Roman name. Saul is a Jewish name

2. When Paul was arrested he told them he was born a Roman. And when he was writing to the church of Philippians he said he was born a jew

According to what I quoted up there, the followers of Christ were being arrested because they were going against the establish teachings of that time.

My question to you, what's the different between the Jewish leaders and the Christian leaders of today?

luvmijeje:


1. You are missing my point. You and Paul didn't get to meet Jesus when he was on earth. You learnt about him through others who met him. You and Paul are in the same category.

2. Paul encountered Jesus on his way to Damascus by seeing a light. He didn't see Jesus eye to eye. Haven't you encountered Christ before? What makes Paul's case spectacular?

3. Exactly my point. You all choose a mediocre life. You all choose go through life by doing copy copy. You are living Paul's life. You are living a life that's not yours. You have all choose to put God in a box. I believe God's dynamic and we shouldn't see God the same way.

4. You choose to be a follow follow. You choose live your life according to the dictates of others.

5. That's another way where the teachings of Christ is different from Paul. Christ detest the church structure but Paul believed in it. What do I mean?

Mark 13 : 1-2

And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!

2 And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

Okay agreed, which church or religion is your own that doesn't make reference to Bible characters?

budaatum:


Paul's country was part of the Roman Empire when he was born so he would have been a Jew and a Roman, just like those of us born pre-1960 were Nigerians with British passports.

Noted. Thank you.

luvmijeje:


1. You are missing my point. You and Paul didn't get to meet Jesus when he was on earth. You learnt about him through others who met him. You and Paul are in the same category.

2. Paul encountered Jesus on his way to Damascus by seeing a light. He didn't see Jesus eye to eye. Haven't you encountered Christ before? What makes Paul's case spectacular?

3. Exactly my point. You all choose a mediocre life. You all choose go through life by doing copy copy. You are living Paul's life. You are living a life that's not yours. You have all choose to put God in a box. I believe God's dynamic and we shouldn't see God the same way.

4. You choose to be a follow follow. You choose live your life according to the dictates of others.

5. That's another way where the teachings of Christ is different from Paul. Christ detest the church structure but Paul believed in it. What do I mean?

Mark 13 : 1-2

And as he went out of the temple, one of his disciples saith unto him, Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!

2 And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

Okay agreed, which church or religion is your own that doesn't make reference to Bible characters whose founder doesn't read already revealed wriits? It will be interesting to know.

MightySparrow:



Okay agreed, which church or religion is your own that doesn't make reference to Bible characters?

I don't have a church neither do I have a religion. I believe God is in every man and the way to know God is to be open minded when coming across any man. Nobody has the power of exclusivity to define God but that God is the totality of all of us.

luvmijeje:


I don't have a church neither do I have a religion. I believe God is in every man and the way to know God is to be open minded when coming across any man. Nobody has the power of exclusivity to define God but that God is the totality of all of us.

Your choice belief. I have church, I have religion, I believe in a God that created and rules the universe. Good luck in your adventures. Whenever you get to any cross - road, remember, Jesus cares.

luvmijeje:
So thank you for quoting the passage you quoted, let's go back to the same chapter you quoted and let's go downward Phil 3:5

. “The high priest and the whole council of older Jewish leaders can tell you that this is true. One time these leaders gave me some letters. The letters were to the Jewish brothers in the city of Damascus. I was going there to arrest the followers of Jesus and bring them back to Jerusalem for punishment.
Please follow my thought.

1. Paul is a Roman name. Saul is a Jewish name
2. When Paul was arrested he told them he was born a Roman. And when he was writing to the church of Philippians he said he was born a jew

When Paul was arrested by the Romans, he told them of course that he too was a Roman and not a slave. And when he wrote to the church in Philippians, a majorly Jewish community of Christians, he told them he too was one of them, a Jew.
What many fail to realize is that Paul wrote mostly to the Jewish community of Christians and not to a widely Gentile audience.

luvmijeje:
According to what I quoted up there, the followers of Christ were being arrested because they were going against the establish teachings of that time.
My question to you, what's the different between the Jewish leaders and the Christian leaders of today?

I am not sure I quite follow your meaning, please. I am not certain what "Christian leaders" today you seek to compare with and why.

MightySparrow:


Your choice belief. I have church, I have religion, I believe in a God that created and rules the universe. Good luck in your adventures. Whenever you get to any cross - road, remember, Jesus cares.

Good luck too.