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Re: Is Lagos A Good Place To Build A Refinery Like Dangote Refinery? by BlueSparks: 10:44pm On Mar 21, 2021
Keemsleek005:



I just dey read they laugh there's difference btw a rig and refinery. That's the mistake they making. Even America with their shale oil have refineries.

Largest petroleum refineries in the United States
Rank Refinery Barrels/Day
1 Port Arthur Refinery 607,000
2 Galveston Bay Refinery 585,000
3 Baytown Refinery 560,500
4 Garyville Refinery 564,000

Environmental and health assessments risk as been taking and certified before lagos state will give dangote go ahead to build a refinery in lagos, and i can bet the means of crude transportation to the refinery will be by vessel not pipe. Which is one of the major problems in niger delta cos pipes are used mostly to move crudes and products to depots and the refineries.

Even if there will be health and enviromental risk it will be of minimal effect. Renfineries dont flare gas pls.


My dear. My mother's village is directly overlooking a refinery.


Lol. Once it's 6pm come outside at look to the sky, you'll see it all over. Please go ask people who stay around such refineries for confirmation

Though we mentioned in this thread there will be heat capture systems etc. It is not without environmental concerns. Let's weigh it left and right Sir.

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Re: Is Lagos A Good Place To Build A Refinery Like Dangote Refinery? by BlueSparks: 10:45pm On Mar 21, 2021
bayelsaowei:
I guess an environmental impact assessment must have been carried out to ensure the safety of both the environment and humans in that area.


Large corporations do lots of cover up in EIA


Trust me. What organization would want to lose in billions of dollars contracts

There's no large scale heavy industrialised activity without cover up

I can write a thing scientifically and hide many facts a layman would never interpret.

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Re: Is Lagos A Good Place To Build A Refinery Like Dangote Refinery? by ayandee: 10:46pm On Mar 21, 2021
BlueSparks:



It's well thought out actually. It is going to unfold in phases. There is a renewal of the 1970s petroleum pipelines network that will ensure streamlined nationwide distribution to tackle the challenges of distribution


Let's not forget Lagos Ibadan expressway once functional will be freer than now.

Planned cargo rail services and heavy..


See. Let me tell you guys the truth

Dangote isn't producing for local production


That's the pure fact. Yes a good part will meet local need but the bulk of his market and his target is international market. This is where the Atlantic Ocean comes in


Kudos to Sailors in advance as much opportunities will begin to open to them


Also, Nigeria brokered an agreement with the European Union to construct a supply pipeline from Nigeria directly to Europe. Indeed his project is massive, highly beneficial to the country. And beyond. I wish him well

I see the country benefitting from it massively

I also like to postulate that he will be the richest man in the world because of this refinery within ten years of operation.
nice perspective. But what do you think of the advent of electric vehicles especially in the developed world. Don't you think this will affect the profitability of the refinery at some point in the future?
Re: Is Lagos A Good Place To Build A Refinery Like Dangote Refinery? by BlueSparks: 10:48pm On Mar 21, 2021
ayandee:
nice perspective. But what do you think of the advent of electric vehicles especially in the developed world. Don't you think this will affect the profitability of the refinery at some point in the future?



Good point.


We are now in an experimental stage in human life on earth which predicts heavy uncertainty about the future.


Let me explain. Exactly about 12 weeks ago Elon Musk posted a challenge to give 1 Million dollars to any individual across the world with the best sustainable carbon capture scientific design. Why?

It's simply because he understands that heavy and medium productive industries and facilities can't power their engines around the use of electric engines.


Engines of virtually everything on the world was and is designed to function at heavy power in its internal core that the power from solar or electric in electric car design systems for example can't power. Which means we won't technically do away with crude oil unless we have a completely new form of energy, that's relatively available, affordable and can meet industrial and machine needs.

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Re: Is Lagos A Good Place To Build A Refinery Like Dangote Refinery? by sulaak(m): 10:49pm On Mar 21, 2021
BlueSparks:



It's well thought out actually. It is going to unfold in phases. There is a renewal of the 1970s petroleum pipelines network that will ensure streamlined nationwide distribution to tackle the challenges of distribution


Let's not forget Lagos Ibadan expressway once functional will be freer than now.

Planned cargo rail services and heavy..


See. Let me tell you guys the truth

Dangote isn't producing for local production


That's the pure fact. Yes a good part will meet local need but the bulk of his market and his target is international market. This is where the Atlantic Ocean comes in


Kudos to Sailors in advance as much opportunities will begin to open to them


Also, Nigeria brokered an agreement with the European Union to construct a supply pipeline from Nigeria directly to Europe. Indeed his project is massive, highly beneficial to the country. And beyond. I wish him well

I see the country benefitting from it massively

I also like to postulate that he will be the richest man in the world because of this refinery within ten years of operation.

Forget the pipeline to Europe, that will never happen with all the insecurity in the Sahel, Europe will never allow their energy supply to depend on an erratic country like Nigeria, insecurity and vandalism will destroy any long pipeline.


In the 1990s Nigeria and Ghana built a $1 billion gas pipeline from Port Harcourt to Ghana


Damage by Pirates. On August 27, 2012, the West African Gas Pipeline was damaged when pirates who had tried to board an oil tanker in an attempt to get away from the pursuing Togolese Navy, severely damaged the pipeline with their anchor.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_African_Gas_Pipeline#:~:text=pollute%20fishing%20areas.-,Damage%20by%20Pirates,the%20pipeline%20with%20their%20anchor.

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Re: Is Lagos A Good Place To Build A Refinery Like Dangote Refinery? by iddonla: 10:50pm On Mar 21, 2021
sukieboy:


Na English and latent greed go kee Yoruba people. Do you know that almost everything produced in the petrochem train is poisonous? The best would have been up close to Ondo and Edo state. You can be stupid to say liquid cannot spilt, it will ofcourse, the question is containing it's spread. Anyway, when you guys see the environmental issues and banks start leaving Lagos for Ibadan you will be the same fellow that would claim you never supported it.

I have seen as almost everyone in Lagos denied voting for Buhari in 2015 because the sai Baba project failed. Buhari did not die , so they are ashamed and secretly angry that he refused to die like Yardua. Same way the will deny all the so called research on this and that.

Lagos is not a good site but dangote wanted it so he can get the deepest port in West Africa and he has got it without you guys knowing. 36feet of dredge. After Una go say Hausa be mumu. Who come mumu pass ?

as intelligent as you seem..

you are tribalistic , uncouth and typing like a kid..


eediot

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Re: Is Lagos A Good Place To Build A Refinery Like Dangote Refinery? by blasterman(m): 10:51pm On Mar 21, 2021
Yujiz:
Interesting discuss going on here....
I really do hope the refineries uses those heat absorbers/recyclers for the benefit of Lagos residents....
Also dangote wudnt wan2 cross d safety line especially with the climate change/global warming campaign goin on internationally......

Who do you think destroyed Apapa Wharf expressway- from Mile 2 down to wharf

Dangote and his trucks

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Re: Is Lagos A Good Place To Build A Refinery Like Dangote Refinery? by BlueSparks: 10:51pm On Mar 21, 2021
sulaak:


Forget the pipeline to Europe, that will never happen with all the insecurity in the Sahel, Europe will never allow their energy supply to depend on an erratic country like Nigeria, insecurity and vandalism will destroy any long pipeline.


In the 1990s Nigeria and Ghana built a $1 billion gas pipeline from Port Harcourt to Ghana







Trust me Germany is also trying to look for sustainable alternatives away from Russia so energy isn't weaponised against her in needs.



Anyways Obj closed the deal was it within 1999/2004 window but as per it coming to life, only God knows.
Re: Is Lagos A Good Place To Build A Refinery Like Dangote Refinery? by maiunguwar: 10:53pm On Mar 21, 2021
Hashabiah:
You are right. The pollution in lagos will not only harm the air, but it will also harm the environment in terms of crude waste disposal. I just hope that the government will be able to make laws that will enable better management of pollution in that state
Plus the very many tanker trucks that would be needed to evacuate petroleum products.Your guess is as good as mine.

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Re: Is Lagos A Good Place To Build A Refinery Like Dangote Refinery? by BlueSparks: 10:54pm On Mar 21, 2021
sukieboy:


Na English and latent greed go kee Yoruba people. Do you know that almost everything produced in the petrochem train is poisonous? The best would have been up close to Ondo and Edo state. You can be stupid to say liquid cannot spilt, it will ofcourse, the question is containing it's spread. Anyway, when you guys see the environmental issues and banks start leaving Lagos for Ibadan you will be the same fellow that would claim you never supported it.

I have seen as almost everyone in Lagos denied voting for Buhari in 2015 because the sai Baba project failed. Buhari did not die , so they are ashamed and secretly angry that he refused to die like Yardua. Same way the will deny all the so called research on this and that.

Lagos is not a good site but dangote wanted it so he can get the deepest port in West Africa and he has got it without you guys knowing. 36feet of dredge. After Una go say Hausa be mumu. Who come mumu pass ?



I'm not from these states but I say it anytime anyday


The best location for this projects are



1. Ondo State


2. Edo State


3. Akwa Ibom


4. Cross River


5. Niger/Bauchi/Jigawa etc.

But Ondo and Edo are central to me. It serve the entire purpose of the refinery. Everything


If Lagos, I would have said Badagry, but you know already Badagry is a disaster. But Badagry because it's also close to crude oil source


If we say these things people from a part would call us names. Let's just keep hush my brother.

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Re: Is Lagos A Good Place To Build A Refinery Like Dangote Refinery? by Hashabiah: 10:55pm On Mar 21, 2021
maiunguwar:
Plus the very many tanker trucks that would be needed to evacuate petroleum products.Your guess is as good as mine.
That is another problem. I just hope lagosian are ready for all this.

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Re: Is Lagos A Good Place To Build A Refinery Like Dangote Refinery? by ayandee: 10:56pm On Mar 21, 2021
thanks. This means Dangote has done its feasibility study well before launching out.
BlueSparks:




Good point.


We are now in an experimental stage in human life on earth which predicts heavy uncertainty about the future.


Let me explain. Exactly about 12 weeks ago Elon Musk posted a challenge to give 1 Million dollars to any individual across the world with the best sustainable carbon capture scientific design. Why?

It's simply because he understands that heavy and medium productive industries and facilities can't power their engines around the use of electric engines.


Engines of virtually everything on the world was and is designed to function at heavy power in its internal core that the power from solar or electric in electric car design systems for example can't power. Which means we won't technically do away with crude oil unless we have a completely new form of energy, that's relatively available, affordable and can meet industrial and machine needs.
Re: Is Lagos A Good Place To Build A Refinery Like Dangote Refinery? by BlueSparks: 10:59pm On Mar 21, 2021
ayandee:
thanks. This means Dangote has done its feasibility study well before launching out.


Economic feasibility yes. But the future is always evolving


There's an invention that will do away with crude oil permanently and has been researched but imperfect but will come into full gear within the next ten years.

But before that time he will cash out heavily.

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Re: Is Lagos A Good Place To Build A Refinery Like Dangote Refinery? by misterjosh(m): 11:02pm On Mar 21, 2021
Environmental pollution of various kinds are bound to happen down the line, no two ways about it.

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Re: Is Lagos A Good Place To Build A Refinery Like Dangote Refinery? by Librate(m): 11:02pm On Mar 21, 2021
A very highly sensible thread for sound minds.

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Re: Is Lagos A Good Place To Build A Refinery Like Dangote Refinery? by Elsueno: 11:05pm On Mar 21, 2021
No matter how fancy or advanced it is, it will surely create pollution. but that is for the people living in the vicinity of the refinery.



Off topic, I remember the ashaka cement plant , Gombe state, that place generates extreme heat, u will even feel it in faraway bajoga when the winds blow.

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Re: Is Lagos A Good Place To Build A Refinery Like Dangote Refinery? by BlueSparks: 11:06pm On Mar 21, 2021
Elsueno:
No matter how fancy or advanced it is, it will surely create pollution. but that is for the people living in the vicinity of the refinery.



Off topic, I remember the ashaka cement plant , Gombe state, that place generates extreme heat, u will even feel it in faraway bajoga when the winds blow.


That's the point. That heat will be carried by the ocean and air is what we're saying.


I feel sorry for people in advance. It's not just in that area. When the entire Biosphere in that area can't handle it, it's overall impact will spread to other areas.

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Re: Is Lagos A Good Place To Build A Refinery Like Dangote Refinery? by quickly: 11:06pm On Mar 21, 2021
BlueSparks:




I'm not from these states but I say it anytime anyday


The best location for this projects are



1. Ondo State


2. Edo State


3. Akwa Ibom


4. Cross River


5. Niger/Bauchi/Jigawa etc.

But Ondo and Edo are central to me. It serve the entire purpose of the refinery. Everything


If Lagos, I would have said Badagry, but you know already Badagry is a disaster. But Badagry because it's also close to crude oil source


If we say these things people from a part would call us names. Let's just keep hush my brother.


The best place would have been Apapa inside Wharf port but Dan gote don destroy all the road already and no land. Also the train network starts from there.

British built lines from Apapa to Kano
Re: Is Lagos A Good Place To Build A Refinery Like Dangote Refinery? by BlueSparks: 11:07pm On Mar 21, 2021
quickly:



The best place would have been Apapa inside Wharf port but Dan gote don destroy all the road already and no land. Also the train network starts from there.

British built lines from Apapa to Kano


Apapa has too many petrochemical storage facility. You wan bomb Lagos? grin

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Re: Is Lagos A Good Place To Build A Refinery Like Dangote Refinery? by orientation666: 11:08pm On Mar 21, 2021
Incidentally my colleagues and I discussed on this matter recently. The wrongest choice is Lagos as it is almost a full urban landscape. For those who stay around the refinery areas, no one needs to tell you of the adverse effect of staying around those areas. As the OP opined, the trails of the Niger Delta area will extend to Lagos in no distant time.

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Re: Is Lagos A Good Place To Build A Refinery Like Dangote Refinery? by ptoall1000: 11:09pm On Mar 21, 2021
There is refinery too in Kaduna na.
Re: Is Lagos A Good Place To Build A Refinery Like Dangote Refinery? by Btycoon: 11:19pm On Mar 21, 2021
BlueSparks:



I just used it as a reference point.

I understand the scope of the heat from a refinery, many Lagosians or SW have never experienced it. I stay on this stand point with a 98% on my stance that most Southend have not experienced the heat wave refineries generate


They should go and ask people in Bayelsa, Kwale, PortHarcourt. Those ones will give then a decent accurate perspective on the subject matter.


When it gets so hot at nights, people go into streams to Bury themselves at night cause the heat is scorching and killing. This one I know first hand, I come from communities with refineries. And all of those oil and gas installations. So when I see people rushing to go buy lands saying a gold rush will occur. I feel have hey considered the cons? Cause when these monies comes, it brings in irreversible immune degenerative sickness with it which the money will be spent on back again


So what's the point?




You are right my brother I can't stay indoor by day time even had to sleep at night as you are going to be sweating profusely like a goat wey see knife lol. Kwale na for strong people

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Re: Is Lagos A Good Place To Build A Refinery Like Dangote Refinery? by BlueSparks: 11:21pm On Mar 21, 2021
Btycoon:





You are right my brother I can't stay indoor by day time even had to sleep at night as you are going to be sweating profusely like a goat wey see knife lol. Kwale na for strong people



God will bless you


You nor dey see Kwale


Please tell them from the other side before the pontoon communities. From,Umusam, Umusadege, Ashaka etc una nor dey feel the heat? grin


From Saipem to Agip as them dey bombard everywhere with extraction day in day out.

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Re: Is Lagos A Good Place To Build A Refinery Like Dangote Refinery? by dododawa1: 11:25pm On Mar 21, 2021
Not Lagos but EKO ijebu side

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Re: Is Lagos A Good Place To Build A Refinery Like Dangote Refinery? by Btycoon: 11:28pm On Mar 21, 2021
No be lie and no be easy thing everyday na struggle. I stayed Utagba uno area
Re: Is Lagos A Good Place To Build A Refinery Like Dangote Refinery? by molotough(m): 11:29pm On Mar 21, 2021
Is it not this same fulani blood monopolist criminal called Dangote whose years of silence on how his trucks and trailers murders people on a weekly basis that you all want to be concern about the health and safety of the people living near or far from the adverse effects of this refinery turns your unborn baby into all kinds deformed mutations?

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Re: Is Lagos A Good Place To Build A Refinery Like Dangote Refinery? by BlueSparks: 11:30pm On Mar 21, 2021
Btycoon:
No be lie and no be easy thing everyday na struggle. I stayed Utagba uno area


Hehe he. I sight you @Utagba

I Don visit all those locations wey refineries dey first hand so I know


How Street for Umusam etc.

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Re: Is Lagos A Good Place To Build A Refinery Like Dangote Refinery? by BlueSparks: 11:31pm On Mar 21, 2021
dododawa1:
Not Lagos but EKO ijebu side



That's where the Other Ijebu tycoon is stationing his own. I rep Ijebu big time. So so many locations in Ijebu hinterlands that is perfect for this.

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Re: Is Lagos A Good Place To Build A Refinery Like Dangote Refinery? by Cybercop2002: 11:38pm On Mar 21, 2021
It won't cause air pollution or water nor oil spilage cause there will be a deapsea and international airport and residential area there ,that will make them use their head cause they won't want to ruin the seaport it will affect them and if the deapsea doesn't ruin the rest won't
Re: Is Lagos A Good Place To Build A Refinery Like Dangote Refinery? by Minjim: 11:39pm On Mar 21, 2021
The refinery is isolated
Re: Is Lagos A Good Place To Build A Refinery Like Dangote Refinery? by quickly: 11:43pm On Mar 21, 2021
Very soon naija will suffer when the world moves on from oil.

In about 20-30 years every one will be using electric and oil car will be antique for museum.
Re: Is Lagos A Good Place To Build A Refinery Like Dangote Refinery? by Chicastle: 11:47pm On Mar 21, 2021
BlueSparks:



Your wahala. Let me be plz

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