KNOWMORE56:


I have actually sought for a JW who will volunteer to help me KNOWMORE...if you have come up to help, that's ok...
Below is the submission of one of your fellow:
[/b]"...pagan use of flowers or garlands did not mean that true worshipers always had to avoid using them"[b]
Do you agree with him?

Sorry, what? Was it pagans who created ornamental plants now or Jehovah God? Genesis 2:9
Your points do not have to be this weak and weightless, but I guess I shouldn’t have expected much.

Frustration comes when people wants to refute what is obvious or when they are battling to establish what is not true.
These people are ready to kill their God's given conscience as long as you won't approve what they want to do!
The OP won't have any issue with you had it been you just answered his question without quoting the scriptures (judgment) but he's no longer comfortable after seeing how you guys answered his question using the Bible.
If anyone wants to celebrate birthdays there's no problem all we're saying is it's not part of the celebration of God's ancient servants. So if anyone has been practicing it (unknowingly that it's pagan custom) you either stop it as someone that's following the examples of God's servants or continue with it as someone who doesn't care. PERIOD!

DappaD:

Sorry, what? Was it pagans who created ornamental plants now or Jehovah God? Genesis 2:9
Your points do not have to be this weak and weightless, I guess I shouldn’t have expected much.

MaxInDHouse: Frustration comes when people wants to refute what is obvious or when they are battling to establish what is not true.
These people are ready to kill their God's given conscience as long as you won't approve what they want to do!
The OP won't have any issue with you had it been you just answered his question without quoting the scriptures (judgment) but he's no longer comfortable after seeing how you guys answered his question using the Bible.
If anyone wants to celebrate birthdays there's no problem all we're saying is it's not part of the celebration of God's ancient servants. So if anyone has been practicing it (unknowingly that it's pagan custom) you either stop it as someone that's following the examples of God's servants or continue with it as someone who doesn't care. PERIOD!

It’s them bringing up pagan practices and using it to justify the birthday celebration that amazes me. I never thought some people could stoop so low. Mr KNOWMORE56 is the funniest of them all. He said he didn’t have any problem with those who choose to celebrate their birthdays(to him, it’s no big deal) then he started making up rules about how this birthday celebration should go? Lol? When there’s no directive given anywhere in the Scriptures for such? When in fact such celebrations contain revelries and bring dishonour to God’s name? Romans 13:13, 1Peter 4:3
Even if the Bible said in literal terms that “you SHOULD NOT celebrate your birthday” it wouldn’t matter to the obstinate ones because even delicate matters such as God’s standards on morality and marriage is still a debatable issue amongst them. 1Thessalonians 4:3, Hebrews 13:4
The half brother of Jesus duly noted that if one after knowing the truth, still chose to turn a blind eye, he would be accountable. James 4:17

DappaD:


So because there are similarities in the activities of the Israelites and the nations, it now gives one the excuse to carry on in their practices?

No nah, the Levites should stand under sun and offer worship to Jehovah because they should not build a house for their own God?

Lol. That’s the weakest stance you can ever take because pure worship was only carried out in Israel and the Law set them aside from the rest of the nations surrounding them. Deuteronomy 4:5-8

Besides, Jehovah is the one who ordered the erection of the tabernacle(Exodus chapter 37) and later the temple(2Samuel 7:13) even giving specifications about how the temple should be built(1Chronicles 28:9-21) so you already lost it completely using this as a point unless you can show where God incorporated birthdays into Israelite’s culture(Leviticus 18:3) or even gave his blessing/approval of any birthday celebration like he did with the temple? 2Chronicles 7:1

Lol. Read these your comment and compare with your guy's, then remove the Watch tower glass from your face:

[/b]"So because there are similarities in the activities of the Israelites and the nations, it now gives one the excuse to carry on in their practices? "

"...pagan use of flowers or garlands did not mean that true worshipers always had to avoid using them"[b]

No record of dancing during weddings in the Word. It is pagans practices, yet your organization are into it.

They can even play and dance to Hiphop music, where is it copy from?

Janosky:

2 Corinthians 13:11 (compare Luke 24:25-27,45)
Finally, brothers and sisters, rejoice, mend your ways, be comforted, be like-minded, live in peace; and the God of love and peace will be with you"

Galatians 2:11-14, Peter mended his ways.
Jehovah's Servants will continue to "mend their ways" to please Jehovah God.

So why didn't Russell, Rutherford & Knorr mend their way before died as pagan

Barristter07:


Neither yourself nor him understand what you are quoting, cos the post solidify my post above. Emphasis on " The use of calendars"

This thread proved beyond doubt that the organizers of birthdays did in celebration of their pagan god whom pharaoh represent.

Hypocrite!

His post clearly put your lying mouth in the coven of your father the devil.

Because it's boldly says wedding ring is of PAGAN which you've been trying to twist despite providing different reliable sources.

Is there any human society where people don't sing, play musical instruments and dance?

NO! So it's no man's culture because all people does that.

Is there any human society where people don't celebrate birthdays?

YES! The lineage of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob do sing, play musical instruments and dance but never has anyone from that race celebrated birthday!

KNOWMORE56:

They can even play and dance to Hiphop music, where is it copy from?

DappaD:


So because there are similarities in the activities of the Israelites and the nations, it now gives one the excuse to carry on in their practices?

No nah, the Levites should stand under sun and offer worship to Jehovah because they should not build a house for their own God?

Lol. That’s the weakest stance you can ever take because pure worship was only carried out in Israel and the Law set them aside from the rest of the nations surrounding them. Deuteronomy 4:5-8

Besides, Jehovah is the one who ordered the erection of the tabernacle(Exodus chapter 37) and later the temple(2Samuel 7:13) even giving specifications about how the temple should be built(1Chronicles 28:9-21) so you already lost it completely using this as a point unless you can show where God incorporated birthdays into Israelite’s culture(Leviticus 18:3) or even gave his blessing/approval of any birthday celebration like he did with the temple? 2Chronicles 7:1

[/b]"No nah, the Levites should stand under sun and offer worship to Jehovah because they should not build a house for their own God?"[b]

God told them to erect what we call canopy today,

But King David, having associated with the Philistines and see what they built for their gods, thought of doing similar thing to appreciate his GOD.

This is what watch tower is calling [/color]associated/ originated with false worship[color=#990000]

And I'm telling you that dancing is associated with false worship;

building halls is associated with false worship;

wearing rings is associated with false worship;

there's no single practice in the organization that is not associated with false worship.

I can see you can't stop defending your man made God's.

MaxInDHouse:
Of course they are MODERN DAY servants of JEHOVAH searching the scriptures to figure out what could be wrong with Christianity and why are the fruitage not manifesting globally as expected? Matthew 7:16-18; John 13:34-35

Another delusion, MODERN DAY servants of Jehovah that are allowed to celebrate birthdays and Christmas.

When your delusions are beclouding your sense of reality.

Are they searching the scriptures or they CLAIMED THEY WERE BEEN INSPIRED?

So as the light continue to get brighter and brighter {Proverbs 4:18}

Which means the people of old lived in total darkness

they were making changes until they are able to wash away all those filthy pagan customs

At least you agreed that Russell, Rutherford and Knorr died as pagan worshippers.

{Revelations 7:14} hindering the Holy Spirit from manifesting in their midst. Romans 6:1

That's nice as you know Holy Spirit never manifests in the midst of your lying organization.

That's why today it's only within this group that all the qualities of God's Holy Spirit can be seen,

When Holy Spirit manifestation never occurred in your midst.

unlike others worshiping and expecting God to come down and remove Nepotism, Racism and Politics,

Can you support this with fact?

JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are quenching all the missiles that Satan is firing about causing hatred and WARS throughout the earth! Ephesians 6:11 compare to Isaiah 54:17

No wonder your organization labour in vain for over 100 years without much fruits because they have no connection with the one who says "if you abide in me, you'll have MUCH FRUTS"

DappaD:


So because there are similarities in the activities of the Israelites and the nations, it now gives one the excuse to carry on in their practices?

No nah, the Levites should stand under sun and offer worship to Jehovah because they should not build a house for their own God?

Lol. That’s the weakest stance you can ever take because pure worship was only carried out in Israel and the Law set them aside from the rest of the nations surrounding them. Deuteronomy 4:5-8

Besides, Jehovah is the one who ordered the erection of the tabernacle(Exodus chapter 37) and later the temple(2Samuel 7:13) even giving specifications about how the temple should be built(1Chronicles 28:9-21) so you already lost it completely using this as a point unless you can show where God incorporated birthdays into Israelite’s culture(Leviticus 18:3) or even gave his blessing/approval of any birthday celebration like he did with the temple? 2Chronicles 7:1

Lol can you correct the lies below:
"[/b]Besides, Jehovah is the one who ordered the erection of the tabernacle(Exodus chapter 37) and later the temple(2Samuel 7:13) even giving specifications about how the temple should be built(1Chronicles 28:9-21" [b]

God and David, who brought the idea of building a Temple?

At what time is Tabernacle = temple?

Canopy and the temple have no comparison.

DappaD:


Sorry, what? Was it pagans who created ornamental plants now or Jehovah God? Genesis 2:9
Your points do not have to be this weak and weightless, but I guess I shouldn’t have expected much.

So was it pagan who created and established the DAY which people are celebrating?

KNOWMORE56:


Lol. Read these your comment and compare with your guy's, then remove the Watch tower glass from your face:
[/b]"So because there are similarities in the activities of the Israelites and the nations, it now gives one the excuse to carry on in their practices? "
"...pagan use of flowers or garlands did not mean that true worshipers always had to avoid using them"[b]
No record of dancing during weddings in the Word. It is pagans practices, yet your organization are into it.
They can even play and dance to Hiphop music, where is it copy from?

Let me even make things easier for you. We all know there are certain things that come natural to all humans based on conscience and a working brain(Romans 2:14-15) and there are what we’ll term “values” or tradition that varies from culture to culture.
When one is in a happy mood such as attending a wedding, it is only natural that the person begins to move his body in a rhythm(dancing) because that is the time apportioned for it(Ecclesiastes 3:4b) whereas when one is in a sad mood, perhaps a loved one dies, he feels hurt and then mourns the loss of that person since there is also a time apportioned for it. Numbers 20:29, Ecclesiastes 3:4a

Like I said earlier, these kind of things come naturally to all humans but please what is natural about celebrating the day that one was born? I mean, if the white men who invaded Africa didn’t bring their tradition of celebrating birthdays, would anybody have cared to know the day they were born talk more go ahead to celebrate it? So what is natural about it? Job 3:1

Learn how to directly use the Scriptures to support your argument because using adjacent and unrelated points to make an argument means nothing.

MaxInDHouse:
Is there any human society where people don't sing, play musical instruments and dance?

NO! So it's no man's culture because all people does that.

Is there any human society where people don't celebrate birthdays?

YES! The lineage of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob do sing, play musical instruments and dance but never has anyone from that race celebrated birthday!

Max, janosky said Jesus said Watch tower should 'teach them all things that He has commanded'. We are searching for the command to dance in the Word.

But you are pointing at the society; is the society the Jesus? Because I want to KNOWMORE o!

Humbly accept that the organization also has pagans practices in their midst.

KNOWMORE56:


Lol can you correct the lies below:
"[/b]Besides, Jehovah is the one who ordered the erection of the tabernacle(Exodus chapter 37) and later the temple(2Samuel 7:13) even giving specifications about how the temple should be built(1Chronicles 28:9-21" [b]
God and David, who brought the idea of building a Temple?
At what time is Tabernacle = temple?
Canopy and the temple have no comparison.

Please go over my post as carefully as you can and show me where I ever said such a thing.

MaxInDHouse:
Is there any human society where people don't sing, play musical instruments and dance?

NO! So it's no man's culture because all people does that.

Is there any human society where people don't celebrate birthdays?

YES! The lineage of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob do sing, play musical instruments and dance but never has anyone from that race celebrated birthday!

You can not successfully show me where people dance in a wedding. Or the command to do it.

Wearing of wrings is not a commandments or principle in the Bible.

We have practices and principles. Practices do not carry punishment. Example, wearing of ear wrings or any wring at all. In other words, if you like do or don't.

Principles carry punishment, example circumcision of all male.

*. Exodus 4:24 "KJV:And it came to pass by the way in the inn, that THE LORD met him, and SOUGHT TO KILL HIM.
25
KJV:Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me.
26
KJV:So he let him go: then she said, A bloody husband thou art, BECAUSE OF THE CIRCUMCISION."

note: "THE LORD SOUGHT TO KILL HIM (Moses) BECAUSE OF THE CIRCUMCISION"

Emusan:


So was it pagan who created and established the DAY which people are celebrating?

It was Pharoh of Egypt that created the day. Lol

DappaD:


Let me even make things easier for you. We all know there are certain things that come natural to all humans based on conscience and a working brain(Romans 2:14-15) and there are what we’ll term “values” or tradition that varies from culture to culture.
When one is in a happy mood such as attending a wedding, it is only natural that the person begins to move his body in a rhythm(dancing) because that is the time apportioned for it(Ecclesiastes 3:4b) whereas when one is in a sad mood, perhaps a loved one dies, he feels hurt and then mourns the loss of that person since there is also a time apportioned for it. Numbers 20:29, Ecclesiastes 3:4a

Like I said earlier, these kind of things come naturally to all humans but please what is natural about celebrating the day that one was born? I mean, if the white men who invaded Africa didn’t bring their tradition of remembering birthdays, would anybody have cared to know the day they were born talk more go ahead to celebrate it? So what is natural about it? Job 3:1

Learn how to directly use the Scriptures to support your argument because using adjacent and unrelated points to make an argument means nothing.

[/b]"When one is in a happy mood such as attending a wedding, it is only natural that the person begins to move his body in a rhythm(dancing) because that is the time apportioned for it(Ecclesiastes 3:4b) "[b]

Wedding should be happy mood but birthday should be sad mood.

The word opposite of mourn is laugh, rejoice, dance.
Ecclesiastes 3:1-6 talks of birth and death; rejoice and mourn. No wedding is mentioned.

Yet your organization said you should not rejoice and dance on birthday but you should do it on wedding day.

You are welcome from Watch tower!

Although there is no place where it's said that wedding day is the time apportioned for dancing.

KNOWMORE56:


[/b]"When one is in a happy mood such as attending a wedding, it is only natural that the person begins to move his body in a rhythm(dancing) because that is the time apportioned for it(Ecclesiastes 3:4b) "[b]
Wedding should be happy mood but birthday should be sad mood.
The word opposite of mourn is laugh, rejoice, dance.
Ecclesiastes 3:1-6 talks of birth and death; rejoice and mourn. No wedding is mentioned.
Yet your organization said you should not rejoice and dance on birthday but you should do it on wedding day.
You are welcome from Watch tower!
Although there is no place where it's said that wedding day is the time apportioned for dancing.

Please endeavour to quote me when you have solid points. I dislike going round and round in circles especially when the other party constantly spews unsound logic.

DappaD:


Let me even make things easier for you. We all know there are certain things that come natural to all humans based on conscience and a working brain(Romans 2:14-15) and there are what we’ll term “values” or tradition that varies from culture to culture.
When one is in a happy mood such as attending a wedding, it is only natural that the person begins to move his body in a rhythm(dancing) because that is the time apportioned for it(Ecclesiastes 3:4b) whereas when one is in a sad mood, perhaps a loved one dies, he feels hurt and then mourns the loss of that person since there is also a time apportioned for it. Numbers 20:29, Ecclesiastes 3:4a

Like I said earlier, these kind of things come naturally to all humans but please what is natural about celebrating the day that one was born? I mean, if the white men who invaded Africa didn’t bring their tradition of celebrating birthdays, would anybody have cared to know the day they were born talk more go ahead to celebrate it? So what is natural about it? Job 3:1

Learn how to directly use the Scriptures to support your argument because using adjacent and unrelated points to make an argument means nothing.

[/b]"So what is natural about it? "[b]

The thing that makes people cry when loved ones die is exactly what makes them dance and celebrate when loved ones are born. It is a great thing of joy for a year ty be added to ones years. Showing appreciation for one more year added.

You are deceived if you can't show appreciation for one more year added.


Did God command any body to cry/ weep for his dead, and forbade people who dance and rejoice because one more year is added to their years?

DappaD:


Please endeavour to quote me when you have solid points. I dislike going round and round in circles especially when the other party constantly spews unsound logic.

You have already discovered that calling wedding day happy day but birthday sad day spews unsound logic.

Just humbly apologize!

KNOWMORE56:


[/b]"So what is natural about it? "[b]
The thing that makes people cry when loved ones die is exactly what makes them dance and celebrate when loved ones are born.

Children are a special present from God(Psalm 127:3) so when a child is born, the parents rejoice just as they would when receiving gifts.

But like has been said, there is no Scriptural backup you can give in support of your birthday celebrations instead it’s using unrelated points so that it could be that you gave a word out.

It is a great thing of joy for a year ty be added to ones years. Showing appreciation for one more year added..
You are deceived if you can't show appreciation for one more year added.
Did God command any body to cry/ weep for his dead, and forbade people who dance and rejoice because one more year is added to their years?

The highlighted is where because the line is drawn because it is tied with false worship(Genesis 40:20-22) and there is absolutely nothing natural about continuously celebrating the day one is born after his birth. In fact, regarding the anguish and suffering humans go through(Romans 5:12), it is rightly expected that one curses the day he was born and not rejoice over it(Job 3:1) so again, there is nothing natural about celebrating one’s birth.

KNOWMORE56:


You have already discovered that calling wedding day happy day but birthday sad day spews unsound logic.
Just humbly apologize!

Did God institute marriage or not? Genesis 2:24
Did God’s Son attend a wedding or not? John 2:1

Did God’s Son not know that Herod ruler in Judea was hosting a birthday party where his daughter was a star dancer? If he was, why wasn’t God’s Son in attendance seeing that he regularly attended social gatherings such as weddings(John 2:1) and get-togethers? Mark 14:3, Luke 5:29

The bone of contention is this: Do all “happy” moments please God? Ephesians 5:10
Do you think the below was not a “happy” moment for the idolatrous Israelites?

DappaD:


Perhaps you should take a cue from the Israelites who engaged in calf worship(idolatry) and still termed it “a festival to Jehovah”(Exodus 32:5) and even “sat down to eat and drink”(Exodus 32:6) but was God pleased? Did this celebration glorify his name seeing that the practice originated with false worship?
Exodus 32:10

All you need to do is thorough meditation whenever you see, hear or read any article. This will help you to distinguish between the righteousness of God and that of humans. Romans 10:2-3
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES Organization started long ago when God called Moses to go and free the Israelites from Egypt. After their release from slavery then God gave them His commandments, it's this commandments that stood ever since then as a barrier between God's ORGANIZED people and all other races! Exodus 19:5
The covenant God made with that nation becomes the yardstick of measurement for God's righteousness, whoever wants to become God's friend only need to learn the righteousness of God from His ORGANIZED people.
That's why Pagans like Rahab, Ruth, Uriah and so many others left their own people to become God's friends as they humbly join God's people and live their lives in harmony with the requirements their own people never knew. Deuteronomy 31:12
The chord of continuity was broken when Satan killed all the Apostles of Jesus who were like the foundation stones {Revelations 21:14} of the new covenant God promised to establish with His people {Jeremiah 31:31-34} after their dead or let's say "while they were sleeping" {Matthew 13:25} Satan initiated his own agents and empowered them politically to overshadow God's organization, that's how so many pagan customs like Birthdays, Christmas, Easter, New Year and so many others became the practices that was difficult for many to blot out during the dark ages.
But when Jesus returned in 1914 he acted like Cyrus of Persia to release God's people from spiritual bondage and just like Ezra and Nehemiah Jesus began teaching them the HERITAGE of their ancestors that they never knew. That's why Bible Students like Russell, Rutherford and others were practicing those pagan customs until they began to realise that these practices are not in line with the HERITAGE they want to imbibe.
So the ORGANIZATION had to let go of all there pagan customs. But who could have help them know all these sacred secrets if not Jesus who returned as a mighty spirit being to start correcting the errors of his imperfect but faithful, loyal and obedient followers?
That's why God's word referred to all those that will survive the great tribulation as an ORGANIZED PEOPLE who have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the lamb! {Revelations 7:14} did you know why Apostle John said "i don't know them"
Well it's because these ones never knew the HERITAGE of God's people but after they began taking in orders from the mighty spirit being (Jesus) they were also able to meet up with God's requirements!
That is why God sanctified them and bought them in with the value of the blood of Jesus so that their robes has become white as wool in the sight of God {Isaiah 1:18} please listen to JEHOVAH'S utterance regarding them:
This is the HERITAGE of the servants of JEHOVAH and their righteousness is from me says JEHOVAH!
So even if people like you stubbornly blinded your hearts to the light that's guiding them in the path of righteousness {Psalms 23:3} people like me will come from the East, from the West, from the North and from the South saying to this Organized people: "we will go with you people because we have heard that God is with you people" Zechariah 8:23

May you have PEACE!

KNOWMORE56:

Max, janosky said Jesus said Watch tower should 'teach them all things that He has commanded'. We are searching for the command to dance in the Word. But you are pointing at the society; is the society the Jesus? Because I want to KNOWMORE o! Humbly accept that the organization also has pagans practices in their midst.

KNOWMORE56:


[/b]"When one is in a happy mood such as attending a wedding, it is only natural that the person begins to move his body in a rhythm(dancing) because that is the time apportioned for it(Ecclesiastes 3:4b) "[b]

Wedding should be happy mood but birthday should be sad mood.

The word opposite of mourn is laugh, rejoice, dance.
Ecclesiastes 3:1-6 talks of birth and death; rejoice and mourn. No wedding is mentioned.

Yet your organization said you should not rejoice and dance on birthday but you should do it on wedding day.

You are welcome from Watch tower!

Although there is no place where it's said that wedding day is the time apportioned for dancing.

You can see how he used Job 3:1 to show how Job cursed his day of his birth naturally

In otherwords his day used there means day of birth.

DappaD:


Children are a special present from God(Psalm 127:3) so when a child is born, the parents rejoice just as they would when receiving gifts.

But like has been said, there is no Scriptural backup you can give in support of your birthday celebrations instead it’s using unrelated points so that it could be that you gave a word out.



The highlighted is where because the line is drawn because it is tied with false worship(Genesis 40:20-22) and there is absolutely nothing natural about continuously celebrating the day one is born after his birth. In fact, regarding the anguish and suffering humans go through(Romans 5:12), it is rightly expected that one curses the day he was born and not rejoice over it(Job 3:1) so again, there is nothing natural about celebrating one’s birth.

When a child is born or given birth to, is it natural for people to celebrate and rejoice? Yes is the answer.

When that same child grows up(after all when that child was celebrated when born, he was not conscious of what is going on around him) and learned he was born so so date and decided to celebrate it tell us what scripture of the Bible says it is wrong to do so?

I want to see how the Egyptians and Herodians scenario applies now. .

Life is a gift from God from the same mouth, those given that gift should curse the gift given to them by God tantamount to cursing the giver of the gift

DappaD:


Did God institute marriage or not? Genesis 2:24
Did God’s Son attend a wedding or not? John 2:1

Did God’s Son not know that Herod ruler in Judea was hosting a birthday party for his daughter? If he was, why wasn’t God’s Son in attendance seeing that he regularly attended social gatherings such as weddings(John 2:1) and get-togethers? Mark 14:3, Luke 5:29

The bone of contention is this: Do all “happy” moments please God? Ephesians 5:10
Do you think the below was not a “happy” moment for the idolatrous Israelites?

The bone of contention is this: Do all “happy” moments please God? Ephesians 5:10

Here is your Ephesians 5:10 and find out what pleases the Lord."

Here is why the discussion should have ended long before this time

Romans 14: 5 One man judges one day as above another;+ another judges one day the same as all others;+ let each one be fully convinced in his own mind.

Who at you tell another man who had chosen his birthday as special to the Lord to say what that man is doing is a sin?

Romans 14:6 Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God.


Do you think the below was not a “happy” moment for the idolatrous Israelites?

Exodus 32 was before Exodus 20 in your bible. Oh they didn't get a direct command against carving images in likeness of God .

Show us where the command was given not to celebrate birthdays?

KNOWMORE56:


It was Pharoh of Egypt that created the day. Lol

You mean every BIRTHDAYS there is, was created by pharaohs and for pharaohs?

Emusan:


So why didn't Russell, Rutherford & Knorr mend their way before died as pagan

Simple answer

Matthew 28:20 was sent to the earth in year 2000. They were not alive to see the instructions to keep all the things he had commanded including not celebrating birthdays.

Well what do I know? Jano is the educated literate here. He should know better.

Emusan:


Hypocrite!

His post clearly put your lying mouth in the coven of your father the devil.

Because it's boldly says wedding ring is of PAGAN which you've been trying to twist despite providing different reliable sources.

He forgot that the religious leaders of the organization he belongs decided to reference the words of the cardinal to shame those Christian denominations involved in those ceremonies and practices as those sanctifying what pagans do.

And that their own organization is right to have said all those things originate from pagans.

[quote author=MaxInDHouse post=100960171]I only oblige because of other followers who may be interested in knowing the TRUTH not for your pigheadedness!

David committed adultery but the principle Jesus instilled in our hearts now says
"don't look at a woman who is not your wife lustfully {2Samuel 11:2-3} otherwise you may be carried away by her beauty {Proverbs 7:5-22} whatever makes you fail in this regard you're guilty already without even touching her"

So from our heritage we learned that instead of quoting the law "You must not commit adultery or fornication" we have it written in our hearts "stop looking lustfully at people" Job 31:1

May you have PEACE!


[/quote.

Guilty of what?
Its obvious you barley know the Bible.

MaxInDHouse:

No it's Cotonou law!


Because you're deaf spiritually speaking, if not any right thinking person will know that laws are written in books while PRINCIPLES are laws written on hearts!


Go and learn from JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

See propaganda.
You are getting worst every day. You need to check you ego.
Simply accept what you do not know, even when you see the truth you and your Church would not.

No where did God say he will write principles in our hearts.

Hebrews 10:16
This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my LAWS into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;


You do not know or understand language better than God.

God said law stop twisting God's word. The consequence is grievous.

MaxInDHouse:
My friend, Jesus quoted the laws God gave to the nation of Israel to an Israelite telling him that it's what will lead him to identify Jesus' role as the Messiah.
Jesus' commandment totally differs from the laws God gave the Israelites through Moses.
The Mosaic laws were written in scrolls with ink but Jesus' commandments were written in the hearts of his disciples! Jeremiah 31:33-34
I can see that you've been calling the name "JESUS" in vain without knowing the role Christ played in the salvation of mankind.
The laws God gave the Israelites was targeted at helping that nation to be the first and foremost race to benefit from the coming of Christ not the requirements for everlasting life, otherwise if those laws are what mankind need then there is no need for Jesus to come and establish another covenant! Jeremiah 31:31-32

You are more confused than I thought.

So Jesus came to give a different law from that God gave the Israelites.
The same Jesus that said he has not come to destroy the law and prophets.

Was the New covenant without a law or not?