petra1:


What did Jesus say



Isaiah 53:10
. . . he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.




Read my posts again. And while you're reading them tell us where Jesus said Christians have partial righteousness



The problem is your understanding of righteousness. There is difference between righteous work and the nature of righteousness.
A Christian has been made righteous . It's a gift received by salvation.

2 Corinthians 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Lol! You went again and quoted a passage you misinterpreted to be Jesus speaking instead of God the Father who had the seed Jesus.

Even in the spiritual sense, there is just one Spiritual Father and it's not Jesus, it's God the Father, Jesus is the Master hence Jesus told His disciples:

Matthew 23:9
And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

If the disciples were the seed of Jesus, He would have been their Father but He also called God His Father and also their Father, because He was the physical seed of God while they are the spiritual, so they are more like spiritual brothers.

John 20:17
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

So you can see how lost you are with your idea that Jesus had a seed. It's a false idea that contradict the teachings and instructions of Jesus to call no man Father but God.

As for inherited righteousness, can you explain how those anointed Christians were send back by Jesus because of their works of iniquity if they indeed inherited His righteousness? Or were they not Christians? Matthew 7:21-23

You're obviously ignorant of what it means to inherit the righteousness of Jesus, because if Christians really inherited His righteousness, they would never be sent back by Jesus for their works of iniquity because His righteousness would cover them regardless, just it is with man's sin which humans inherited.

And please you don't have to resort to lies to prove your idea if really true, otherwise you'd show me where I spoke of Christians having partial righteousness. They only have their own righteousness, that of Jesus belongs solely to Him no man shares it with Him. So the idea of the nature of righteousness is only a figment of the imaginations of all you who believe such false idea, because nothing like such exists in Truth.

Acehart:


I have carefully read your initial writeup on this thread and observed your responses; one thing stands out: You clearly avoided the Pauline epistles; it’s is either you are a young Christian and you haven’t gone through the entire scriptures (perhaps you have just started reading the New Testament) and you haven’t got proper understanding of it yet or you are part of the School of Thought that jettison the Pauline epistles, saying they are not inspired writings and shouldn’t find their way to the scriptures. If your case is the former, I’d like to help you have good understanding in the next paragraphs.

Psalms 35:24 says,

“Judge me, O Lord my God, according to Your righteousness”

To get the true meaning of this verse, we would have to test it against scripture, and also get what the context suggests. It may read as:

¹. O Lord my God, judge between my character and that of my enemies according to Your equity and justice. (Lesser context based approach)
². Justify me, O Lord my God, with your righteousness. (Etymological approach with a view of eschatology)

Lets look at the first point: David, the writer of this Psalm, was calling Jehovah to come into judgment between him and his enemies. If Jehovah vindicates David because he claims to have an impeccable character and that of his enemies vile, then the scriptures contradicts itself because Psalms 143:2 says:

And enter not into judgment with thy servant: for in thy sight shall no man living be justified.

So if the Lord God is to judge David and his enemies based on character, none of them will be vindicated. Hence, point one is disqualified because of contradiction.


Before we examine the second point, let’s start by looking at Deuteronomy 9:5:

“It is not for your righteousness or for the uprightness of your heart that you are going to possess their land, but it is because of the wickedness of these nations that the Lord your God is driving them out before you, in order to confirm the oath which the Lord swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.”

Here, the Lord God reiterates to Israel that their justification (to inherit the promised land) was not due to their adherence to His commandments but for His oath, a prerogative kindled by the faith of their fathers, a faith (authored and finished by God) that was accounted to them as righteousness.

If Judge me, O Lord my God, according to thy righteousness, reads as point two, then it means that the righteousness of the Lord God, by which he justifies his people (the Israel of God, Christians), is according to faith in what Christ has wrought out, and is imputed to them.

The substitutionary work of Christ on Calvary wherewith He was judged was according to the sins that were imputed to Him (though He was not a seed of any man) - Isaiah 53:4. We know that in the atoning substitution, the sin of the people was exchanged for righteousness of the God (Psa.132:9, Lev.14). Yes! those who were justified, the scriptures then calls them his descendants:

But the Lord was pleased To crush Him, putting Him to grief; If He would render Himself as a guilt offering, He will see His offspring, He will prolong His days, And the good pleasure of the Lord will prosper in His hand.

- Isaiah 53:10

P.S.: Please study the scriptures properly so that you would not be guilty of preaching another gospel and you be condemned.

Lol! Because you're too spiritually shallow to comprehend the deep things of the Spirit, you think it's a child or someone who just started reading the New testament... that you quoted.

I thought you should already know me by now, but it seems you're new here, otherwise you'd know that the person you quoted places the teachings of Jesus above any other, (check my profile), and this is actually what Jesus instructed His disciples to do, to "teach men to observe to do His commandments," so that you'd know that this is very deliberate and in obedience to the instructions of Jesus.

So you're the one who walks in ignorance of the Truth and need to learn from the feet of Jesus, because it's only the Truth that can set you free not lies!

No point trying to say more to you because you've already shown that you lack the spiritual capacity to comprehend my speech, so it would be a waste of time.

Thanks and God bless.

jesusjnr2020:
Lol! You went again and quoted a passage you misinterpreted to be Jesus speaking instead of God the Father who had the seed Jesus.

Even in the spiritual sense, there is just one Spiritual Father and it's not Jesus, it's God the Father, Jesus is the Master hence Jesus told His disciples:

Jesus is the word and the Church is born of the word .
The church has been predicted to be the sees and generation to serve him

Psa 22:30 — Psa 22:31
A seed shall serve him;
it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation.
They shall come, and shall declare his righteousness
unto a people that shall be born, that he hath done this.

Sees simply means offspring The church is his offspring. The Bible says we are created in christ Jesus. We came from him.

Isaiah 53:10 is talking about the church being his seed his offspring .


. . .Yet it was the LORD’s will to crush Him and to cause Him to suffer; and when His soul is made a guilt offering, He will see His offspring, He will prolong His days . . .

Who's day is being prolonged and by who?

David said the seed is a generation that will serve him. Ps 22:30


1 Peter 2:9
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

Posted below are few commentaries of scholars on who the seed is in Isaiah 53:10,

BENSON COMMENTARY
Isaiah 53:10. He shall see his seed — His death shall be glorious to himself and highly beneficial to others, for he shall have a numerous seed of believers

JAMIESON FAUSSET BROW COMMENTARY
The meaning here is, that the Messiah, though he should be put to death, would yet see great multitudes who should be his spiritual children. Though he should die, yet he would live again, and his days should be lengthened out. It is fulfilled in the reign of the Redeemer on earth and in his eternal existence and glory in heaven.

GILL'S COMMENTARY
He shall see his seed; or, "a seed"; a spiritual seed and offspring; a large number of souls, that shall be born again, of incorruptible seed, as the fruit of his sufferings and death; see John 12:24, this he presently began to see after his resurrection from the dead, and ascension to heaven; when great numbers were converted among the Jews, and after that multitudes in the Gentile world, and more or less in all ages; ever since has he had a seed to serve him; and so he will in the latter day, and to the end of time:

BARNES COMMENTARY
He shall see his seed - His posterity; his descendants.

LordIsaac:
Good answer. I have often wondered why sin can be inherited but not salvation.

Romans 5:12-21
'12Because of this, just as sin entered into the world through one man, and death through sin,
so also death passed to all men, because all sinned.
13For until the Law, sin was in the world; but sin is not imputed, there being no law.
14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those not having sinned in the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of the coming One.
15But so also the gift is not like the trespass. For if by the trespass of the one, the many died, how much more did the grace of God and the gift in grace, which is of the one man Jesus Christ, abound to the many!
16And the gift is not as through one having sinned. For truly the judgment from one was unto condemnation; but the gift is out of many trespasses unto justification.
17For if, by the trespass of the one, death reigned through the one, how much more will those receiving the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one, Jesus Christ!
18So then, just as through one trespass, it is unto condemnation to all men, so also through one act of righteousness it is unto justification of life to all men.
19For as indeed through the disobedience of the one man, the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the One, the many will be made righteous.
20Now the Law entered so that trespass might abound; but where sin abounded, grace overabounded,
21so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness, unto eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.'

LordIsaac, a sinner, a drowning man, cannot save a fellow sinner. Sin entered our world, primarily because of unbelief and or a worrisome nonchalance. Adam was a prototype, a flawed prototype has no salvation to pass on. What Adam, after his fall from grace, has for us, his progeny, to inherit, are the following: death, fall short of God's standard, weaknesses, sickness, infections, imperfections etc

LordIsaac, why is there death in Adam, but life in Christ?

LordIsaac:
The second question is why the womb of a woman (who was born in sin) was found worthy and not the seed of man (who was also born in sin) was found worthy to bring forth the Messiah.

The lawful way to legally operate on this earth is to do so in a human body and so is why the womb of a woman (i.e. who was born in sin) is worthy enough to be considered necessary and be included in the salvation equation. Everything about the The Messiah, has to be lawful, whether in death or alive, so the Messiah, too, has to legally come in through the door, just as well as, the Messiah, had to die legally (i.e. be condemned to die albeit by a kangaroo court and fitted with stitched up charges)

Its a given fact that, the seed of the man and woman have DNA genetic instructions. Now of course, you know also that, DNA is the instruction manual of what makes us, who we are, but I tell you want, why not, shift a bit from a bible perspective and look in the direction of what there's to learn from science, so here's where I drop a homework, and say, go look up and search info on what IGF2, acronym for 'Insulin-Like Growth Factor 2'

IGF2 is inherited in pairs, meaning one copy from Mom and one copy from Dad. Here is where by deliberate divine design, in contrast to other genes, only the version from Dad gets put to work, as its this Dad’s genes that prepares Mom for parenthood. This situation is called genomic imprinting (i.e. a form of non-genetic inheritance in which both copies of a gene exist, but only one parent’s version is left intact) It is true that, we inherit genes equally from our Moms and Dads but, the fact is, genetically speaking, we're more like our dads. Why? It is because from new studies carried out, it is found that we might use some more genes from Dad than from Mom.

petra1:


Jesus is the word and the Church is born of the word .
The church has been predicted to be the sees and generation to serve him

Psa 22:30 — Psa 22:31
A seed shall serve him;
it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation.
They shall come, and shall declare his righteousness
unto a people that shall be born, that he hath done this.

Sees simply means offspring The church is his offspring. The Bible says we are created in christ Jesus. We came from him.

Isaiah 53:10 is talking about the church being his seed his offspring .


. . .Yet it was the LORD’s will to crush Him and to cause Him to suffer; and when His soul is made a guilt offering, He will see His offspring, He will prolong His days . . .

Who's day is being prolonged and by who?

David said the seed is a generation that will serve him. Ps 22:30


1 Peter 2:9
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

Posted below are few commentaries of scholars on who the seed is in Isaiah 53:10,

BENSON COMMENTARY
Isaiah 53:10. He shall see his seed — His death shall be glorious to himself and highly beneficial to others, for he shall have a numerous seed of believers

JAMIESON FAUSSET BROW COMMENTARY
The meaning here is, that the Messiah, though he should be put to death, would yet see great multitudes who should be his spiritual children. Though he should die, yet he would live again, and his days should be lengthened out. It is fulfilled in the reign of the Redeemer on earth and in his eternal existence and glory in heaven.

GILL'S COMMENTARY
He shall see his seed; or, "a seed"; a spiritual seed and offspring; a large number of souls, that shall be born again, of incorruptible seed, as the fruit of his sufferings and death; see John 12:24, this he presently began to see after his resurrection from the dead, and ascension to heaven; when great numbers were converted among the Jews, and after that multitudes in the Gentile world, and more or less in all ages; ever since has he had a seed to serve him; and so he will in the latter day, and to the end of time:

BARNES COMMENTARY
He shall see his seed - His posterity; his descendants.

My friend stop wasting your time quoting all sorts to justify your lies that Christians are Jesus' seed. I have already used His own Words to debunk that idea. Except you believed Jesus lied when He told His disciples that they had only One Father, who is God the Father, because you think Jesus was also their Father.

It appears that you're also ignorant of the fact that the Word you keep mentioning was also a seed, the seed of God which He sowed to get other children who Jesus considered His brothers.

You have ignored responding to the other part which exposed the falsehood of your idea that Christians inherited His righteousness, because if true, no Christian would be judged based on their works of iniquity.

You can see how Jesus Words have been used to prove to you that you walk in error.

The Words of Jesus reigns supreme!

petra1:
Jesus is the word and the Church is born of the word .
The church has been predicted to be the sees and generation to serve him

Psa 22:30 — Psa 22:31
A seed shall serve him;
it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation.
They shall come, and shall declare his righteousness
unto a people that shall be born, that he hath done this.

Sees simply means offspring The church is his offspring. The Bible says we are created in christ Jesus. We came from him.

Isaiah 53:10 is talking about the church being his seed his offspring .


. . .Yet it was the LORD’s will to crush Him and to cause Him to suffer; and when His soul is made a guilt offering, He will see His offspring, He will prolong His days . . .

Who's day is being prolonged and by who?

David said the seed is a generation that will serve him. Ps 22:30


1 Peter 2:9
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

Posted below are few commentaries of scholars on who the seed is in Isaiah 53:10,

BENSON COMMENTARY
Isaiah 53:10. He shall see his seed — His death shall be glorious to himself and highly beneficial to others, for he shall have a numerous seed of believers

JAMIESON FAUSSET BROW COMMENTARY
The meaning here is, that the Messiah, though he should be put to death, would yet see great multitudes who should be his spiritual children. Though he should die, yet he would live again, and his days should be lengthened out. It is fulfilled in the reign of the Redeemer on earth and in his eternal existence and glory in heaven.

GILL'S COMMENTARY
He shall see his seed; or, "a seed"; a spiritual seed and offspring; a large number of souls, that shall be born again, of incorruptible seed, as the fruit of his sufferings and death; see John 12:24, this he presently began to see after his resurrection from the dead, and ascension to heaven; when great numbers were converted among the Jews, and after that multitudes in the Gentile world, and more or less in all ages; ever since has he had a seed to serve him; and so he will in the latter day, and to the end of time:

BARNES COMMENTARY
He shall see his seed - His posterity; his descendants

jesusjnr2020:
My friend stop wasting your time quoting all sorts to justify your lies that Christians are Jesus' seed.

I have already used His own Words to debunk that idea. Except you believed Jesus lied when He told His disciples that they had only One Father, who is God the Father, because you think Jesus was also their Father.

It appears that you're also ignorant of the fact that the Word you keep mentioning was also a seed, the seed of God which He sowed to get other children who Jesus considered His brothers

John 12:24
'Very truly I tell you, unless a kernel of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains only a single seed.
But if it dies, it produces many seeds.'

John 12:32-33
'32And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw everyone to Myself."
33He said this to indicate the kind of death He was going to die.'

jesusjnr2020, why not please tell, who, in John 12:24 above, is the Seed and seeds referring to?

jesusjnr2020:
You have ignored responding to the other part which exposed the falsehood of your idea that Christians inherited His righteousness, because if true, no Christian would be judged based on their works of iniquity.

You can see how Jesus Words have been used to prove to you that you walk in error.

The Words of Jesus reigns supreme!

When it comes to crediting and/or recording anyone with righteousness, it is God's prerogative to determine however He choses to do so

The bottom line is that the underlined common denominator used in attributing righteousness to anyone whether from Abel, to Noah, to Abraham or whatnot, is belief and/or faith that is a very important catalyst and one of the foremost, in the scheme of any righteousness thing.

jesusjnr2020:
My friend stop wasting your time quoting all sorts to justify your lies that Christians are Jesus' seed. I have already used His own Words to debunk that idea. Except you believed Jesus lied when He told His disciples that they had only One Father, who is God the Father, because you think Jesus was also their Father.

Ego has entered . You know when you start blasting gun at people as though you know something Instead of responding in Humility. Now that your Idea has been debunked. It's now too shameful to accept.
. That is why I always tell folks be humble in your posts even when you disagree. Just incase you're proven wrong you can accept. It takes grace to take correction or admit error.

BassReeves:


John 12:24
'Very truly I tell you, unless a kernel of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains only a single seed.
But if it dies, it produces many seeds.'

John 12:32-33
'32And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw everyone to Myself."
33He said this to indicate the kind of death He was going to die.'

jesusjnr2020, why not please tell, who, in John 12:24 above, is the Seed and seeds referring to?


When it comes to crediting and/or recording anyone with righteousness, it is God's prerogative to determine however He choses to do so

The bottom line is that the underlined common denominator used in attributing righteousness to anyone whether from Abel, to Noah, to Abraham or whatnot, is belief and/or faith that is a very important catalyst and one of the foremost, in the scheme of any righteousness thing.

This is awesome

petra1:


Ego has entered . You know when you start blasting gun at people as though you know something. Instead of responding in Humility. Now that you I dea has been debunked. It's too shameful to accept. O can understand the position of pride and ego . That is why I always tell folks be humble in your posts even when you dis agree. Just incase you're proven wrong you can accept. It takes grace to take correction

Even the Pharisees said same of Jesus when he spake the Truth to them, so I'm not surprised that someone who reasons like them thinks the same way of His disciple who uses the Truth of Jesus Words to do the same thing Jesus used His Words to do to their lies.

It's not to appear humble in the sight of men as the likes of you do, but to be humble before God.

But you can keep deceiving yourself that you're humble, when your pride refuse to let you humble yourself to the Truth of Jesus Words which has obviously humbled you.

jesusjnr2020:
Does it make sense that you had to lie that Jesus had a seed to justify your idea even though you disagreed with mine?

That blunder alone suggests that you have no idea what you're talking about.

No man inherited Jesus righteousness because Jesus had no seed. No man can inherit it but man can partake of its benefits. If you want to partake of the benefit of His righteousness, you must keep His Word otherwise you are on your own.


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And please don't quote what Paul or someone else said that contradicts this for me, because this is in line with what Jesus says, and Jesus is the Master so His Word supersedes that of any other.
^^^^^^^^^

You must be happy how that lie is justifying many workers of iniquity in the church and making sin to abound, otherwise you wouldn't continue to peddle it.

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Nice writeup. But I don't like this idea of people implying that the bible contradict itself bc it doesn't. Paul or any of the apostles never contradicted Christ. It is just us that did not fully understand what they meant.

FarmTech:

Nice writeup. But I don't like this idea of people implying that the bible contradict itself bc it doesn't. Paul or any of the apostles never contradicted Christ. It is just us that did not fully understand what they meant.

You don't like the idea does not change the Truth of it.

Many of Paul's submissions contradict Jesus Christ's teachings - Paul wrote the most. Even the letters of John, James and the rest also contain entries that are against the teachings of Jesus Christ. But thankfully since we know it is the teachings of Jesus Christ that we are called to trust and obey, it is easy for those who know the Truth to spot the problems and move on from them.

God never called anyone to worship(trust and obey) the words of men but instead the very Word out of God's own mouth. Those of you who pretend your Bible is to be worshipped are in error since the very idea is against God's own commandment to men.

jesusjnr2020:
So what kind of advice does an unrepentant homosexual think he could give the righteous?

Seun, OAM4J, Mydn44, please take note of the antics of this wannabe rabble-rouser (i.e. again flagrantly flouting forum rule #8. Don't post false information on Nairaland)

FarmTech:
Nice writeup. But I don't like this idea of people implying that the bible contradict itself bc it doesn't.

If you were sounding sincere and honest enough, you would have wholly and completely told him he f'ed up

FarmTech:
Paul or any of the apostles never contradicted Christ. It is just us that did not fully understand what they meant.

If there's any nice writeup, it is this

Kobojunkiee:
You don't like the idea does not change the Truth of it.

Many of Paul's submissions contradict Jesus Christ's teachings - Paul wrote the most. Even the letters of John, James and the rest also contain entries that are against the teachings of Jesus Christ. But thankfully since we know it is the teachings of Jesus Christ that we are called to trust and obey, it is easy for those who know the Truth to spot the problems and move on from them.

Why not list here say five, to start with what are the many of Paul's submissions, that contradict Jesus Christ's teachings.

Do similar with what you have for the letters of John, James and the rest, you claim, also contain entries that are against the teachings of Jesus Christ?

Do just those two. Justify yourself or remain silent.

Kobojunkiee:
God never called anyone to worship (trust and obey) the Words of men but instead the very Word out of God's own mouth. Those of you who pretend your Bible is to be worshipped are in error since the very idea is against God's own commandment to men.

1 Corinthians 11:1
'Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ.'
Or,
You are to imitate me, just as I imitate Christ.

jesusjnr2020:
Lol! Because you're too spiritually shallow to comprehend the deep things of the Spirit, you think it's a child or someone who just started reading the New testament... that you quoted.

I thought you should already know me by now, but it seems you're new here, otherwise you'd know that the person you quoted places the teachings of Jesus above any other, (check my profile), and this is actually what Jesus instructed His disciples to do, to "teach men to observe to do His commandments," so that you'd know that this is very deliberate and in obedience to the instructions of Jesus.

So you're the one who walks in ignorance of the Truth and need to learn from the feet of Jesus, because it's only the Truth that can set you free not lies!

No point trying to say more to you because you've already shown that you lack the spiritual capacity to comprehend my speech, so it would be a waste of time.

Thanks and God bless.

When one responds the way you have just done here, jnr, he doesn't know God. Learn humility and sound reasoning. Its a shame to read this response from you. I held you with some esteem.

BassReeves:
Seun, OAM4J, Mydn44, please take note of the antics of this wannabe rabble-rouser (i.e. again flagrantly flouting forum rule #8. Don't post false information on Nairaland)

Exactly what I said. The aggressor has started crying foul.

Thank God I alerted the mods after warning you to desist beforehand.

I only had to respond after you persisted with your attacks despite the several warnings.

This is another warning to you: As long as you don't repent from your abominable ways, keep off my mentions! Otherwise you'd only have yourself to blame.

Prettygirl27:


When one responds the way you have just done here, jnr, he doesn't know God. Learn humility and sound reasoning. Its a shame to read this response from you. I held you with some esteem.

Thanks for sharing your opinion.

God bless.

BassReeves:
If you were sounding sincere and honest enough, you would have wholly and completely told him he f'ed up

If there's any nice writeup, it is this

Why not list here say five, to start with what are the many of Paul's submissions, that contradict Jesus Christ's teachings.

Do similar with what you have for the letters of John, James and the rest, you claim, also contain entries that are against the teachings of Jesus Christ?

Do just those two. Justify yourself or remain silent.

1 Corinthians 11:1
'Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ.'
Or,
You are to imitate me, just as I imitate Christ.

Again....

Kobojunkiee:
You don't like the idea does not change the Truth of it.

Many of Paul's submissions contradict Jesus Christ's teachings - Paul wrote the most. Even the letters of John, James and the rest also contain entries that are against the teachings of Jesus Christ. But thankfully since we know it is the teachings of Jesus Christ that we are called to trust and obey, it is easy for those who know the Truth to spot the problems and move on from them.

God never called anyone to worship(trust and obey) the words of men but instead the very Word out of God's own mouth. Those of you who pretend your Bible is to be worshipped are in error since the very idea is against God's own commandment to men.

jesusjnr2020:
Exactly what I said. The aggressor has started crying foul.

Thank God I alerted the mods after warning you to desist beforehand.

I only had to respond after you persisted with your attacks despite the several warnings.

This is another warning to you: As long as you don't repent from your abominable ways, keep off my mentions! Otherwise you'd only have yourself to blame.

Seun, OAM4J, Mydn44, please take note and carefully be watching.

FarmTech:

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Nice writeup. But I don't like this idea of people implying that the bible contradict itself bc it doesn't. Paul or any of the apostles never contradicted Christ. It is just us that did not fully understand what they meant.

I'm sorry bro but I have to disagree with you on the bolded.

Let me give you an instance from the Bible to prove your assertion is wrong.

Matthew 16:15-17 (KJV)

He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Matthew 16:21-23 (KJV)

From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.
But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

So as you can see your idea that none of the apostles ever contradicted Christ has been proven wrong by this instance of Peter.

First, Peter spoke and Jesus said it wasn't flesh and blood but the Father in heaven that revealed it to him.

Secondly Peter spoke and Jesus implied that what He said was of men not of God, which meant that Peter the apostle contradicted Christ!

So let's leave sentiments out of the things of God otherwise it would lead to some repercussions. The apostles were not angels but also humans who could make mistakes, so not everything they said or did was inspired of God and here's your proof.

That's the difference between the apostles and Jesus. Every thing Jesus said was inspired of the Spirit of God!

Thanks and God bless.

Kobojunkiee:
Again....

I would ask you again, before you were old enough to be responsible for your actions, whose example of one following Jesus Christ were you following?

BassReeves:
Seun, OAM4J, Mydn44, please take note and carefully be watching.

I agree.

Please mods watch and see who the aggressor and victim is in this case. I only act in self-defence whenever I'm attacked.

BassReeves:
Seun, OAM4J, Mydn44, please take note and carefully be watching.

I agree.

Please mods watch and see who the aggressor and victim is in this case. I only act in self-defence whenever I'm attacked, so only the aggressor should have something to fear. Thanks.

BassReeves:
I would ask you again, before you were old enough to be responsible for your actions, whose example of one following Jesus Christ were you following?

Let me bite!

Example, where Paul and John, in their various letters, considered themselves fathers to some of those who belonged in God's flock, they sinned against God in their action. Why? Because God declared in the New Covenant that none of His followers are to consider anyone on earth father where His Kingdom is concerned, for God alone is Father over all in His flock.

petra1:



Stop divergence. Is Jesus righteousness different from a Christian righteousness?

If the answer is NO. Then your teaching is faulty. (That's being polite )

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There are different views on this. Happy reading on wikipedia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imputed_righteousness.
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But one thing that is very clear is that, u cant continue in sin and claim that Christ have done it all for u. Any serious Christian will pick up his cross and work out his salvation.

This is clearly a false teaching!.

Righteousness is not a thing of the flesh to be inherited by natural birth. Jesu's ultimate goal was to save the soul of man, which is a spirit being, flesh can not give that being life, except a spirit.

If you have the spirit of someone in you, you have the essence of that person already!.

Secondly, if you are in a 'container', you're covered by that 'container'.

Jesus is who he is because He is in the Father and the Father is in Him. We are what we are (born again) because we accepted Jesus INTO our lives, at such He lives in us through His Holy Spirit who lives in us, and he produces in us righteousness. Our responsibility is to let him manifest it through us by our chooses.

If you think your logic is correct, then, by what qualification do you and all christian approach God directly in Prayer?. By what qualification can a gentile carry the Holy Spirit of God when he's not a priest?.


We are the Righteousness of God, in Christ Jesus!.

Kobojunkiee:
Let me bite!

Example, where Paul and John, in their various letters, considered themselves fathers to some of those who belonged in God's flock, they sinned against God in their action. Why? Because God declared in the New Covenant that none of His followers are to consider anyone on earth father where His Kingdom is concerned, for God alone is Father over all in His flock.

Why dont you deeply think these coming next questions over before you start to give your answers. Here are the questions.
1/ Where God's, His Kingdom is concerned, are the Pharisees reckoned in it?
2/ Are they rated highly or positively in it?
3/ If your answer to question #2 above is, No, then why aren't the Pharisees aren't reckoned rated highly or positively in God's, His Kingdom?
4/ Kk, you want to play the 'God declared in the New Covenant that none of His followers are to consider anyone on earth father where His Kingdom is concerned' card. Right? (i.e. Matthew 23:9, huh?) No problem. Now who is the male person who biologically gave birth to you called?
5/ Do you understand correctly at all, the context behind why Jesus is against the sickening sanctimonious pharisaical sense of entitlement practice wanting to be addressed as fathers?
6/ Do you understand the difference between an earthy father, Heavenly Father and 'your father, The Devil'?
(i.e. compare and contrast Matthew 6:9 and John 8:44)

petra1:
Stop divergence. Is Jesus righteousness different from a Christian righteousness?

If the answer is NO. Then your teaching is faulty. (That's being polite )

FarmTech:
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There are different views on this. Happy reading on wikipedia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imputed_righteousness.
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But one thing that is very clear is that, u cant continue in sin and claim that Christ have done it all for u. Any serious Christian will pick up his cross and work out his salvation.

FarmTech, objectively and seriously, look at this 'Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness'? thread title/heading and tell if or not, there's anything wrong in it