ANTIlSLAM:


Mr Confusionist, I thought you're well equipped not knowing that you are as empty as ....

Esther 4:16a

“Go, gather together all the Jews who are in Susa, and fast for me. Do not eat or drink for three days, night or day.

Stop showcasing the level of your ignoramus here this is a public forum.. You said NO where Fasting is mentioned except in the Book of Isaiah 58, I qouted some verses to refuted your blunders but you still find it difficult to comprehend. WHO DID DIS TO YOU? May Almighty God in his infinite Mercy heal your confusion

I am beginning to get the sense that your confusion stems from problem with basic language comprehension.

Since when did Esther become God?

enilove:


You said Jesus did not say they will fast when the bridegroom is no longer with them . Below is my proof :

Matthew 9:15 KJV
And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber mourn, as long as the bridegroom is with them? but the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken from them, and then shall they FAST.

Jesus was lead to the wilderness to do what , if fasting was not the intention ?
He just decided to fast for fun ?
Also , whether the main purpose was for fasting or not , at least , he fasted before beginning Hus missions.
That is to tell you the importance of fasting.

Why did the disciples of Jesus fasted if it wasn't necessary ?

Is there anyone who will want to fast without abstinence from food and water ?

Pay attention!

Kobojunkie:
1. When you engage in your "fasting", isn't the intent to deprive your bodies of sustenance?

2. Again, Jesus Christ was led by God into the wilderness where He spent 40 days and 40 nights - fasting was not the intent but the result of His being out there.

3. Jesus Christ said they when the bridegroom was no longer with them. He didn't say they would "fast" by starving their bodies though.

4. Yes,you can fast without abstaining from food and water. Read Isaiah 58 to learn how.

Kobojunkie:
Pay attention!

4. Yes,you can fast without abstaining from food and water. Read Isaiah 58 to learn how.

How do you fast and not be starved ?

Tell me how , don't tell me to read what you don't understand .

Tell me how

enilove:

How do you fast and not be starved ?
Tell me how , don't tell me to read what you don't understand .

Tell me how

Read Isaiah 58. Almighty God Himself explains to you what He wants you to do on your days of fasting.

In Isaiah 58, God Himself is telling you there that rather than starve your bodies of food, you should go out on those days to do the good 2works that He commands. He went into detail too.

Listen to the one you call God.

If you know what Jesus meant by that word "FASTING" you won't dare call yourself a Christian because only people with simple lifestyles can meet up.

The type of FASTING true Christians practice will be too difficult for credulous religionists like you!

enilove:

I should ask you what is fasting and not the other way round. So, Muhammad is now your benchmark to the right way. You are have veils over your eyes and heart. You can't see but you claim you see , which is a tragedy. I have great testimonies about miracles of God in my life. Tangible ones. I have had encounters with the Angels of God twice. But because you have been beclouded , you won't ever believe . Even the plainly recorded ones world wide. You won't believe because you are in the wrong religion . I have shared my testimonies here on nairaland couple of times. All you people do to the Bible is twisting to suit your satanic ideologies .

Kobojunkie:
Read Isaiah 58. Almighty God Himself explains to you what He wants you to do on your days of fasting.

In Isaiah 58, God Himself is telling you there that rather than starve your bodies of food, you should go out on those days to do the good 2works that He commands. He went into detail too.

Listen to the one you call God.

You are confused .

You said God explained what He wants you to do on your days of FASTING.

This tells you that there are good works expected from you on the days of fasting. That means , when you observe fasting , you have to combine it with good deeds.
Jesus went further to explain that we need to fast but we should not show it to people.

The book of Isaiah does not cancel fasting :

Daniel 9:2-3 KJV
In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the Lord came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem. [3] And I set my face unto the Lord God, to seek by prayer and supplications, with fasting, and sackcloth, and ashes:

This fasting was done by Daniel after the book of Isaiah was written.

The book of Isaiah 58 is talking about proper fasting :

Isaiah 58:5-6 KJV
Is it such a fast that I have chosen? a day for a man to afflict his soul? is it to bow down his head as a bulrush, and to spread sackcloth and ashes under him ? WILL THOU CALL THIS A FAST, and an acceptable day to the Lord ?

GOD IS ASKING THEM , DO YOU CALL THIS A FAST WHEN DURING YOUR FASTINGS , YOU ARE FIGHTING , THEY STRIFE AND SMITE WITH THEIR FIST ETC .
THIS WAS WHAT GOD WAS AGAINST AND NOT FASTING.

[6] Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke?

HOW WOULD GOD LOOSE THE BANJS OF WICKEDNESS , UNDO THE HEAVY BURDENS , LET THE OPPRESSED GO FREE ..... without fasting and prayers ?

Is it your duty to do this or that of God ?

Jesus said

Mark 9:29 KJV
And he said unto them, This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting.

You should be reading your Bible with understanding and not what people taught you.

Kobojunkie:
I am beginning to get the sense that your confusion stems from problem with basic language comprehension.

Since when did Esther become God?

Since when did Isaiah become God?

At your leisure time, read the following chapters and verses

Mathew 6:16-18, Zachariah 7, 1 Corinthians 7 and many more

MaxInDHouse:
If you know what Jesus meant by that word "FASTING" you won't dare call yourself a Christian because only people with simple lifestyles can meet up.

The type of FASTING true Christians practice will be too difficult for credulous religionists like you!

That is why you find it hard to tell us ?

I've told you what Isaiah was inspired to write but if you want to know how Jesus taught us to apply this teachings just say "YES" and i will teach you! Matthew 7:7-8

enilove:

That is why you find it hard to tell us ?

enilove:


You are confused .

You said God explained what He wants you to do on your days of FASTING.

This tells you that there are good works expected from you on the days of fasting. That means , when you observe fasting , you have to combine it with good deeds.
Jesus went further to explain that we need to fast but we should not show it to people.

The book of Isaiah does not cancel fasting :

Daniel 9:2-3 KJV
In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the Lord came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem. [3] And I set my face unto the Lord God, to seek by prayer and supplications, with fasting, and sackcloth, and ashes:

This fasting was done by Daniel after the book of Isaiah was written.

The book of Isaiah 58 is talking about proper fasting :

Isaiah 58:5-6 KJV
Is it such a fast that I have chosen? a day for a man to afflict his soul? is it to bow down his head as a bulrush, and to spread sackcloth and ashes under him ? WILL THOU CALL THIS A FAST, and an acceptable day to the Lord ?

GOD IS ASKING THEM , DO YOU CALL THIS A FAST WHEN DURING YOUR FASTINGS , YOU ARE FIGHTING , THEY STRIFE AND SMITE WITH THEIR FIST ETC .
THIS WAS WHAT GOD WAS AGAINST AND NOT FASTING.

[6] Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke?

HOW WOULD GOD LOOSE THE BANJS OF WICKEDNESS , UNDO THE HEAVY BURDENS , LET THE OPPRESSED GO FREE ..... without fasting and prayers ?

Is it your duty to do this or that of God ?

Jesus said

Mark 9:29 KJV
And he said unto them, This kind can come forth by nothing, but by prayer and fasting.

You should be reading your Bible with understanding and not what people taught you.

Again... learn to read and comprehend that which you read.. the post below was about over 10 comments of mine ago

Kobojunkie:
Like Moses before Him, Jesus Christ was led by God Himself into the wilderness where He spent 40 day and nights, fasting as a result.

Note: The fasting was not the purpose but the result of His time out in the wilderness with God, in much the same way as the time Moses spent with God in the wilderness.

After that one time, Jesus Christ is never again recorded to have fasted in the remaining 3 and half years He spent with His disciples. Instead He is recorded to have gone around doing "good works", something that God calls us all to doing instead in Isaiah 58.

Also be reminded that you are called to emulate Jesus Christ and not His disciples in anything since Jesus Christ is the New Covenant Law you are bound to, and not His disciples.

Now, Isaiah 58 is God clearly telling you that your starving of your bodies is meaningless where He is concerned since He never asked you to do any such on His behalf.

In, Isaiah 58, God Himself clearly tells you what you should instead do when you think to "fast" in order to obtain a response from Him.

I know many of you like to pretend you know more than God but realize that He is God and you are not. Either you're doing what God commsnds or you are busy doing what you desire.

Warning. The average healthy adult human can only fast for a period of about 10 nights and 11 days, so please do not attempt to fast for 40 days and nights as Jesus Christ and Moses were recorded to have done while in the wilderness with God.

MaxInDHouse:


The highlighted was a misconception!

If we're to go by what you people term as fasting then we can say Jesus never fasted at all!

First of all he never intended starving himself the way credulous religionists like you are doing now, it was God's Holy Spirit that directed Jesus into the wilderness (where there is no food) Secondly we should recall that the same thing happened to Moses and Elijah and it wasn't recorded as fasting because they never intended starving themselves! Exodus 34:27-28; 1Kings 19:8
Thirdly Jesus was hungry later something a person who intentionally fasted must not revealed according to Jesus himself {Matthew 6:16} and ever since then Jesus never repeated such showing that he didn't intentionally go on some hunger strike!
Lastly when other religionsts of his time noticed that his followers don't practice fasting they approached him! Matthew 9:14

Please if Jesus' truly instituted some kind of fasting do you think observers won't notice it, just as John's disciples could vouch for the Pharisees that they practice FASTING!

The truth is you people can't understand what is written in our book unless we teach you but if you feel you're ok with what you're doing we will leave you alone, it's just a pity that most ignorant ones in your midst are dying of stomach ulcers!




YES Jesus talked about FASTING but he wasn't referring abstinence from food!

From a reputable dictionary, can you give us the meaning of the word FASTING?

So ridiculous how you people will twist things just to suit your demonic doctrines.

You said Jesus talked about FASTING, then what is the meaning of the word FASTING

ANTIlSLAM:

Since when did Isaiah become God?

At your leisure time, read the following chapters and verses

Mathew 6:16-18, Zachariah 7, 1 Corinthians 7 and many more

Open Isaiah 58 and realize that it is Almighty God speaking to you.

Open your eyes and decide now whether God's Word is good enough for you or not

Emusan:


From a reputable dictionary, can you give us the meaning of the word FASTING?

So ridiculous how you people will twist things just to suit your demonic doctrines.

You said Jesus talked about FASTING, then what is the meaning of the word FASTING

See Isaiah 58 for God's own definition of Fasting, the only kind that He, God, will cause Him to answer you when you obey.

Kobojunkie:
See Isaiah 58 for God's own definition of Fasting, the only kind that He, God, will cause Him to answer you when you obey.

Firstly, God didn't define FASTING in Isaiah 58

Secondly, the word FASTING as being used in the scripture is to abstain from FOOD, no two definition for it.

Lastly, if you read the contents of that Isaiah 58 very well you'll know that God wasn't against FASTING but the wrong ATTITUDES OF THOSE WHO ARE FASTING!

Kobojunkie:
Again... learn to read and comprehend that which you read.. the post below was about over 10 comments of mine ago

You can't understand because you don't want to understand.

Daniel fasted and many after him . Does this mean they didn't understand the scriptures.

A baby christian in the children class understands more than you people.

The apostles fasted after Jesus , what satanic power is beclouding you people from using your brains ?

Kobojunkie:
Open Isaiah 58 and realize that it is Almighty God speaking to you.

Open your eyes and decide now whether God's Word is good enough for you or not

So it's Satan that's speaking in the book of Zachariah and Matthew right?

MaxInDHouse:
I've told you what Isaiah was inspired to write but if you want to know how Jesus taught us to apply this teachings just say "YES" and i will teach you! Matthew 7:7-8

Go and teach yourself or your followers .

You people that cannot understand what Isaiah 58 is saying wants to teach someone .

I pity you. Fasting is no longer fasting but something else to you JW.

You want to teach JW heresies and fables .

ANTIlSLAM:

So it's Satan that's speaking in the book of Zachariah and Matthew right?

Where in Zechariah does God make a declaration on fasting?

Where in Mathew does Almighty God make a declaration in regards to fasting?

enilove:

You can't understand because you don't want to understand.

Daniel fasted and many after him . Does this mean they didn't understand the scriptures.

A baby christian in the children class understands more than you people.

The apostles fasted after Jesus , what satanic power is beclouding you people from using your brains ?

All this is meaningless blabbering considering you are attempting to overwrite God's own words by means of that which ordinary human beings choose to do.

It is quite disturbing even that you claim yourself a "mature" Christian, yet you have yet to learn that where it concerns the things of God, God should and has the last word.

Emusan:

Firstly, God didn't define FASTING in Isaiah 58

Secondly, the word FASTING as being used in the scripture is to abstain from FOOD, no two definition for it.

Lastly, if you read the contents of that Isaiah 58 very well you'll know that God wasn't against FASTING but the wrong ATTITUDES OF THOSE WHO ARE FASTING!

1. What did God do in regards to "fasting" in Isaiah 58.

2. Words can have many meanings applied to them. That should not be rocket science now, should it?

3. I suggest you pay close attention cause beginning in verse 6 of Isaiah 58, God goes on to tell you what He wants for you to do instead on your days of Fasting .I.e. God re-defined fasting for those who are His followers.

Kobojunkie:
All this is meaningless blabbering considering you are attempting to overwrite God's own words by means of that which ordinary human beings choose to do.

It is quite disturbing even that you claim yourself a "mature" Christian, yet you have yet to learn that where it concerns the things of God, God should and has the last word.

You keep mentioning Isaiah 58 which you don't understand.

Which verse of Isaiah 58 tells you that fasting is cancelled ?

Farki:


That is why people are blindly walking to their untimely graves

It is always difficult explaining spiritual matters to people who lack spiritual insight. walk by faith and not by sight has a deeper meaning. Faith cometh by hearing the word of God. The word of God is the truth, it is life wisdom, knowledge, understanding and every good virtue, it gives spiritual insight into dimensions beyond the physical, natural and ordinary

enilove:

You keep mentioning Isaiah 58 which you don't understand.

Which verse of Isaiah 58 tells you that fasting is cancelled ?

You have yet to show that you know how to read and comprehend what is written to you.

This the third time I have posted this to you. Read it carefully to understand what is being said to you about Isaiah 58.

Kobojunkie:
Like Moses before Him, Jesus Christ was led by God Himself into the wilderness where He spent 40 day and nights, fasting as a result.

Note: The fasting was not the purpose but the result of His time out in the wilderness with God, in much the same way as the time Moses spent with God in the wilderness.

After that one time, Jesus Christ is never again recorded to have fasted in the remaining 3 and half years He spent with His disciples. Instead He is recorded to have gone around doing "good works", something that God calls us all to doing instead in Isaiah 58.

Also be reminded that you are called to emulate Jesus Christ and not His disciples in anything since Jesus Christ is the New Covenant Law you are bound to, and not His disciples.

Now, Isaiah 58 is God clearly telling you that your starving of your bodies is meaningless where He is concerned since He never asked you to do any such on His behalf.

In, Isaiah 58, God Himself clearly tells you what you should instead do when you think to "fast" in order to obtain a response from Him.

I know many of you like to pretend you know more than God but realize that He is God and you are not. Either you're doing what God commsnds or you are busy doing what you desire.

Warning. The average healthy adult human can only fast for a period of about 10 nights and 11 days, so please do not attempt to fast for 40 days and nights as Jesus Christ and Moses were recorded to have done while in the wilderness with God.

Now, go and read Isaiah 58, and let me know if you have full comprehension of the message God has set before you in this.

Ficient:

It is always difficult explaining spiritual matters to people who lack spiritual insight. walk by faith and not by sight has a deeper meaning. Faith cometh by hearing the word of God. The word of God is the truth, it is life wisdom, knowledge, understanding and every good virtue, it gives spiritual insight into dimensions beyond the physical, natural and ordinary

There is nothing "spiritual" about what she did. Her God outright denies this claim of spirituality to your starving your bodies. Read Isaiah 58 and learn His Truth over the bullsheet lies you are fed by your Mogs.

Walking by faith simply means walking in obedience to God's commandments and no where in the Bible does God call on you to starve your body in honor of Him.

Faith comes by hearing and not from hearing the lies your Mogs but the teachings of Jesus Christ , the Word of God. Isaiah 58 is God Himself teaching you what to do instead, and it is by obeying/doing the Word of God that you acquire faith.

As a matter of fact, God made it clear that no food you eat can make you filthy in His sight, so of what use is starving yourself of food, when the issue, sin,has nothing to do with food?

Kobojunkie:
You have yet to show that you know how to read and comprehend what is written to you.

This the third time I have posted this to you. Read it carefully to understand what is being said to you about Isaiah 58.

Now, go and read Isaiah 58, and let me know if you have full comprehension of the message God has set before you in this.

You lack simple understanding . I said show me a verse .
Can't you just quote the very verse ?

I don't need that senseless post you are reposting to me . I don't need your explanations.

Tell me a verse that says fasting is CANCELLED.

enilove:

You lack simple understanding . I said show me a verse .
Can't you just quote the very verse ?

I don't need that senseless post you are reposting to me .

Tell me a verse that says fasting is CANCELLED.

Again ...

Kobojunkie:
Like Moses before Him, Jesus Christ was led by God Himself into the wilderness where He spent 40 day and nights, fasting as a result.

Note: The fasting was not the purpose but the result of His time out in the wilderness with God, in much the same way as the time Moses spent with God in the wilderness.

After that one time, Jesus Christ is never again recorded to have fasted in the remaining 3 and half years He spent with His disciples. Instead He is recorded to have gone around doing "good works", something that God calls us all to doing instead in Isaiah 58.

Also be reminded that you are called to emulate Jesus Christ and not His disciples in anything since Jesus Christ is the New Covenant Law you are bound to, and not His disciples.

Now, Isaiah 58 is God clearly telling you that your starving of your bodies is meaningless where He is concerned since He never asked you to do any such on His behalf.

In, Isaiah 58, God Himself clearly tells you what you should instead do when you think to "fast" in order to obtain a response from Him.

I know many of you like to pretend you know more than God but realize that He is God and you are not. Either you're doing what God commsnds or you are busy doing what you desire.

Warning. The average healthy adult human can only fast for a period of about 10 nights and 11 days, so please do not attempt to fast for 40 days and nights as Jesus Christ and Moses were recorded to have done while in the wilderness with God.

So now tell me, where do you find the word "cancelled" in any of my post, even the last one I copied over 3 times now to help you?

Kobojunkie:
Where in Zechariah does God make a declaration on fasting?

Where in Mathew does Almighty God make a declaration in regards to fasting?

I said you should read but still insisted. Is Jesus not God? Are you one of the slaves from religion of allah?

Kobojunkie:
Again ...
So now tell me, where do you find the word "cancelled" in any of my post, even the last one I copied over 3 times now to help you?

Are you to emulate Jesus and fail to follow his commandments ?

You read where Jesus said his disciples will fast after he is gone but your evil mind can't take it in.

Jesus disciples fasted . Are you saying they were not emulating Jesus their Master ?

ANTIlSLAM:

I said you should read but still insisted. Is Jesus not God? Are you one of the slaves from religion of allah?

Ok. Let's go with Jesus Christ is God then, so did Jesus Christ overturn any of what God declared in Isaiah 58?

enilove:

Are you to emulate Jesus and fail to follow his commandments ?

You read where Jesus said his disciples will fast after he is gone but your evil mind can't take it in.

Jesus disciples fasted . Are you saying they were not emulating Jesus their Master ?

1. Jesus Christ NEVER overturned God's declaration as far as fasting is concerned.

2. Jesus Christ NEVER commanded His followers to fast by starving themselves of food.

3. In fact,if we are to govt His example, Jesus Christ is never recorded to have fasted while He was teaching His New Covenant to His disciples.
Emulating their master would imply doubt that which they thought them to do and they never did see Jesus Christ fast.

Kobojunkie:

1. Jesus Christ NEVER overturned God's declaration as far as fasting is concerned.

2. Jesus Christ NEVER commanded His followers to fast by starving themselves of food.

3. In fact,if we are to govt His example, Jesus Christ is never recorded to have fasted while He was teaching His New Covenant to His disciples.
Emulating their master would imply doubt that which they thought them to do and they never did see Jesus Christ fast.

Why is the meaning of this below ?

Matthew 6:17 KJV
But thou, when thou fastest, anoint thine head, and wash thy face;

enilove:

Why is the meaning of this below ?
Matthew 6:17 KJV
But thou, when thou fastest, anoint thine head, and wash thy face;

What is it about this that OVERTURNS what is written in Isaiah 58.