AdakaBoro8:
2thesalonia 2:3 down.. antichrist men.. (ezekiel 34:9) God will no longer use human to lead his flocks, he himself will lead them.. (john 10:15)Jesus said: i am the real shephard.

Would Jesus now come down to shepphered his flocks?

He won't come down rather it's human beings (pastors, evangelists,etc) he will use afterall he commanded us to spread the gospel to the world.

AdakaBoro8:
fathers of the antichrists are adeboye, oyedepo, kumuyi, suleiman.. all nigeria pastors will go to hell fire with their members.. read 2thesalonia 2:3 down..

100% on point

Tareq1105:


You didn't address the issues that I raised especially how your father has helped this country better than Oyedepo.

By the grace of God, I'm over 50 yrs with 3 children in the university and last born in secondary school.

That's all I have to tell you about myself.

I won't trade words with you over what my father is on a faceless forum...

When next u want to address an issue, don't drag peoples fathers into a discussion.....before u complain of me not addressing issue, the topic was about oyedepo and I aired my opinion no matter how obnoxious and irritating it may sound to you, u had no right to mention my father.....and I served you same by dragging yours into it too.

I wont play any sentiments here, this is faceless forum and no mercy for hypocrisy.....adeboye plus oyedepo and all the churches , nigerians would have been better off without them..you people change people's focus of addressing problems like thinking humans should do and would rather build churches to enrich pot bellied and bald headed old fools called pastors..
They are a disease to Nigeria not a cure.....
When the future generation becomes enlightened, they will curse this present generation for their extreme gullibility and idiocity....same way u think your ancestors are foolish to have been enslaved.

I won't be part of the biggest fraud in africa called religion and churches.. at least my generation will be proud to say their ancestor stood for what he believes

mechanics:
That's wrong, so what's the work of a pastor?

God told you from even before Jesus Christ arrived, that He has no part in your pastors and what they pretend to so in His name. God told you that He would no longer use humans as shepherds ...declaring that He alone will Shepherd His own flock.

Ezekiel 34 vs 9-16 (ERV)
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9. So, you shepherds, listen to the word of the Lord!
10. The Lord God says, “I am against the shepherds. I will demand my sheep from them. I will fire them. They will not be my shepherds anymore. Then the shepherds will not be able to feed themselves, and I will save my flock from their mouths. Then my sheep will not be food for them.”
11. The Lord God says, “I myself will be their Shepherd. I will search for my sheep and take care of them.
12. If a shepherd is with his sheep when they begin to wander away, he will go searching for them. In the same way I will search for my sheep. I will save them and bring them back from all the places where they were scattered on that dark and cloudy day.
13. I will bring them back from those nations. I will gather them from those countries and bring them back to their own land. I will feed them on the mountains of Israel, by the streams, and in all the places where people live.
14. I will lead them to grassy fields. They will go to the place high on the mountains of Israel and lie down on good ground and eat the grass. They will eat in rich grassland on the mountains of Israel.
15. Yes, I will feed my flock, and I will lead them to a place of rest.” This is what the Lord God said.
16. “I will search for the lost sheep. I will bring back the sheep that were scattered and put bandages on the sheep that were hurt. I will make the weak sheep strong, but I will destroy the fat and powerful shepherds. I will feed them the punishment they deserve.”

Jesus Christ repeated this very same message to you in John 10 where He declared, among other places, that He alone is Shepherd, Teacher, leader/authority over those who belong in His flock.

Your pastors claim to be "called" or "anointed" by God but as you can see, God never did any such .

Tareq1105:

Would Jesus now come down to shepphered his flocks?

He won't come down rather it's human beings (pastors, evangelists,etc) he will use afterall he commanded us to spread the gospel to the world.

I am afraid you don't know who Jesus Christ is. He is the only Shepherd to His own flock.. Your pastors on the other hand, are not "called" or "anointed" by God to take God's place.

God told you from even before Jesus Christ arrived, that He has no part in what your pastors do. He told you that He would no longer use humans as shepherds ...declaring that He alone will Shepherd His own flock.

Ezekiel 34 vs 9-16 (ERV)
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9. So, you shepherds, listen to the word of the Lord!
10. The Lord God says, “I am against the shepherds. I will demand my sheep from them. I will fire them. They will not be my shepherds anymore. Then the shepherds will not be able to feed themselves, and I will save my flock from their mouths. Then my sheep will not be food for them.”
11. The Lord God says, “I myself will be their Shepherd. I will search for my sheep and take care of them.
12. If a shepherd is with his sheep when they begin to wander away, he will go searching for them. In the same way I will search for my sheep. I will save them and bring them back from all the places where they were scattered on that dark and cloudy day.
13. I will bring them back from those nations. I will gather them from those countries and bring them back to their own land. I will feed them on the mountains of Israel, by the streams, and in all the places where people live.
14. I will lead them to grassy fields. They will go to the place high on the mountains of Israel and lie down on good ground and eat the grass. They will eat in rich grassland on the mountains of Israel.
15. Yes, I will feed my flock, and I will lead them to a place of rest.” This is what the Lord God said.
16. “I will search for the lost sheep. I will bring back the sheep that were scattered and put bandages on the sheep that were hurt. I will make the weak sheep strong, but I will destroy the fat and powerful shepherds. I will feed them the punishment they deserve.”

Jesus Christ repeated this very same message to you in John 10 where He declared, among other places, that He alone is Shepherd, Teacher, leader/authority over those who belong in His flock.

Basicend:

So to you now, that has interpreted the point you made?

Check what you wrote and what you quote. . How do they tally. Even Paul said he was a father to Timothy.

See, I didn't need to "interprete" what Is written God Himself never told you to "interpret" His word. There is no single place in your Bible where Almighty God calls on you to "interpreting" His Word..

God has always spoken to us mostly through Human beings and these human beings wrote in human words messages they gleaned using human processes and presented to us in text written in human language. All you need to understand what is written is human language comprehension skills which every single human being who speaks at least one human language possess.

Even Jesus Christ told you to use the understanding you have and that to those who do so, more understanding will be given. However, those who refuse to use the understanding they have will have even what they have taken away from them. So again, no Interpretation necessary.

As for what is supposedly written to Timothy by Paul, even Paul himself said something like "... Let God be true and man be a liar..".

In the passage below, Almighty God Himself tells you in plain language that your shepherds are liars , that have nothing to do with Him.

God declared since the time of Ezekial to you that He would no longer use humans as shepherds ...declaring that He alone will Shepherd His own flock.

Ezekiel 34 vs 9-16 (ERV)
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9. So, you shepherds, listen to the word of the Lord!
10. The Lord God says, “I am against the shepherds. I will demand my sheep from them. I will fire them. They will not be my shepherds anymore. Then the shepherds will not be able to feed themselves, and I will save my flock from their mouths. Then my sheep will not be food for them.”
11. The Lord God says, “I myself will be their Shepherd. I will search for my sheep and take care of them.
12. If a shepherd is with his sheep when they begin to wander away, he will go searching for them. In the same way I will search for my sheep. I will save them and bring them back from all the places where they were scattered on that dark and cloudy day.
13. I will bring them back from those nations. I will gather them from those countries and bring them back to their own land. I will feed them on the mountains of Israel, by the streams, and in all the places where people live.
14. I will lead them to grassy fields. They will go to the place high on the mountains of Israel and lie down on good ground and eat the grass. They will eat in rich grassland on the mountains of Israel.
15. Yes, I will feed my flock, and I will lead them to a place of rest.” This is what the Lord God said.
16. “I will search for the lost sheep. I will bring back the sheep that were scattered and put bandages on the sheep that were hurt. I will make the weak sheep strong, but I will destroy the fat and powerful shepherds. I will feed them the punishment they deserve.”

Jesus Christ repeated this very same message to you in John 10 where He declared, among other places, that He alone is Shepherd, Teacher, leader/authority over those who belong in His flock.

The same Jesus Christ , the Word of God , who warned you against your so-called "fathers in the Lord", warned you about the false teachers and false prophets who would come to you ,doing works of wonders,pretending they are of Him.

So what you should ask yourself is instead who it is you truly serve... God or these Mogs.

Kobojunkie:
God told you from even before Jesus Christ arrived, that He has no part in your pastors and what they pretend to so in His name. God told you that He would no longer use humans as shepherds ...declaring that He alone will Shepherd His own flock.

Jesus Christ repeated this very same message to you in John 10 where He declared, among other places, that He alone is Shepherd, Teacher, leader/authority over those who belong in His flock.

Your pastors claim to be "called" or "anointed" by God but as you can see, God never did any such .

hmmmmm, you are misquoting the scriptures, the work of a pastor is to preach the gospel to the end of the world, read Mark 16 vs 15 to the end.

mechanics:
hmmmmm, you are misquoting the scriptures, the work of a pastor is to preach the gospel to the end of the world, read Mark 16 vs 15 to the end.

What scripture did I misquote...be specific?

Jesus Christ never told any of His followers to install self as pastor(shepherds) over any in His own flock..... He never gave us that authority.. read John 10 to see this.

In Mathew 23, Jesus Christ made it more than clear to us that we are not to install ourselves as Teachers, Masters , leaders or authorities, or even what many of you call "spiritual fathers" over anyone who belongs in His flock. He forbade us from occupying any position above anyone of those who belong to Him declaring instead that in His Kingdom, we are all equal - brothers and sisters..in the eyes of God.

In Mark 16, He calls on us to go into the world and teach, not our own delusions -the doctrines and traditions of men (See Mark 7) -, but the very same Gospel of the Kingdom of God that He had spent much time teaching and showing us.

So you tell me, Did God lie? Did Jesus lie?

iambabaG:

If I am an “anointed man of God”..
won’t it be a thing of humility to bring yourself low in HIS presence? Is it the man or the annointing?

Yes, you are right.
But, the law of honour is very much at work here

Danniedpastor:

Yes, you are right.
But, the law of honour is very much at work here

The only "law of honor" that God has given you to submitting to is that you honor Him, God, alone, through your submission and obedience to His commandments.

All other kinds of honors you dream up are meaningless where God is concerned since He never commanded it of you.

StagethemTVee:
Yes! Kingdom Business is serious business and Jesus went about doing it. Luke 2:49 And He said to them, “Why did you seek Me? Did you not know that I must be about My Father's business?
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So, you are insinuating by the above that God and hence Jesus Christ is a liar ?

God told you from even before Jesus Christ arrived, that He has no part in what these men will do. God condemned their works and even went as far as saying how He will judge them.

God told you that He would no longer use humans as shepherds ...declaring that He alone will Shepherd His own flock.

Ezekiel 34 vs 9-16 (ERV)
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9. So, you shepherds, listen to the word of the Lord!
10. The Lord God says, “I am against the shepherds. I will demand my sheep from them. I will fire them. They will not be my shepherds anymore. Then the shepherds will not be able to feed themselves, and I will save my flock from their mouths. Then my sheep will not be food for them.”
11. The Lord God says, “I myself will be their Shepherd. I will search for my sheep and take care of them.
12. If a shepherd is with his sheep when they begin to wander away, he will go searching for them. In the same way I will search for my sheep. I will save them and bring them back from all the places where they were scattered on that dark and cloudy day.
13. I will bring them back from those nations. I will gather them from those countries and bring them back to their own land. I will feed them on the mountains of Israel, by the streams, and in all the places where people live.
14. I will lead them to grassy fields. They will go to the place high on the mountains of Israel and lie down on good ground and eat the grass. They will eat in rich grassland on the mountains of Israel.
15. Yes, I will feed my flock, and I will lead them to a place of rest.” This is what the Lord God said.
16. “I will search for the lost sheep. I will bring back the sheep that were scattered and put bandages on the sheep that were hurt. I will make the weak sheep strong, but I will destroy the fat and powerful shepherds. I will feed them the punishment they deserve.”

Jesus Christ repeated this very same message to you in John 10 where He declared, among other places, that He alone is Shepherd, Teacher, leader/authority over those who belong in His flock.

Jesus Christ warned you against following after those He deemed false teachers and prophets who come deceiving you with wonderful works, claiming they do it in His name, but I see all those warnings seem to have eluded you.

Kobojunkie:
What scripture did I misquote...be specific?

Jesus Christ never told any of His followers to install self as pastor(shepherds) over any in His own flock..... He never gave us that authority.. read John 10 to see this.

In Mathew 23, Jesus Christ made it more than clear to us that we are not to install ourselves as Teachers, Masters , leaders or authorities, or even what many of you call "spiritual fathers" over anyone who belongs in His flock. He forbade us from occupying any position above anyone of those who belong to Him declaring instead that in His Kingdom, we are all equal - brothers and sisters..in the eyes of God.

In Mark 16, He calls on us to go into the world and teach, not our own delusions -the doctrines and traditions of men (See Mark 7) -, but the very same Gospel of the Kingdom of God that He had spent much time teaching and showing us.

So you tell me, Did God lie? Did Jesus lie?

but read Mark 16 vs 15 to the end.

mechanics:
but read Mark 16 vs 15 to the end.

Where in Mark 16 vs 15 do you find Jesus Christ contradicting His own self, and God in this?

Mark 16 vs 15 -18

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15 He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation.(L)
16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.(M)
17 And these signs(N) will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons;(O) they will speak in new tongues;(P)
18 they will pick up snakes(Q) with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on(R) sick people, and they will get well.”

What part of the instruction given by Jesus Christ above leads you to believe that Jesus Christ wants you to, against His own Word, violate God's commandment against humans as shepherds over His sheep?

Kobojunkie:
Where in Mark 16 vs 15 do you find Jesus Christ contradicting His own self, and God in this?

What part of the instruction given by Jesus Christ above leads you to believe that Jesus Christ wants you to, against His own Word, violate God's commandment against humans as shepherds over His sheep?

The duty of pastors and believers in the verse is to preach the Word, since you are still arguing, just live it that way.

Tareq1105:


Would Jesus now come down to shepphered his flocks?

He won't come down rather it's human beings (pastors, evangelists,etc) he will use afterall he commanded us to spread the gospel to the world.

God has sent his son Jesus to lead us not human.. same mighty spirit that raise Jesus from the dead is the one in u, it cry to the lord haba father.. anyone who called unto me will be saved.. romans 10:6.. (roman 8:11.

mechanics:
The duty of pastors and believers in the verse is to preach the Word, since you are still arguing, just live it that way.

I am afraid you are mistaken.

Your pastors claim to be shepherds "called" and "anointed" by God to lead and teach you in the name of God. God never gave any man such authority, nor did He "call" or "anoint" anyone in such a way.

Criminals!!!

mechanics:
That's wrong, so what's the work of a pastor?

u yourself can be pastor. pastoring is a self-volunteered. u can read bible and tell ur unbeliever neighbour about Christ.. u know the ten commandments, u have new testament bible, do u still need man like u to teach u what? God said he himself will teach them, he will write his law in their heart.. thats why Jesus is for u..

Calitoscassius:
2 crooked peddlers of false hopes. Between these 2 crooks which one pays thithes to the other?


Pity their gullible worshippers and followers.

oledepo and aleboye are two dangerous criminals.. this two men are worst than anini, pdp, apc, bandits, boko haram together.

AdakaBoro8:
u yourself can be pastor. pastoring is a self-volunteered. u can read bible and tell ur unbeliever neighbour about Christ.. u know the ten commandments, u have new testament bible, do u still need man like u to teach u what? God said he himself will teach them, he will write his law in their heart.. thats why Jesus is for u..

A pastor is one that has been called by God, not everyone will be a pastor by we can play our own part by preaching the Word of in our little corner.

mechanics:
A pastor is one that has been called by God, not everyone will be a pastor by we can play our own part by preaching the Word of in our little corner.

God did not call your pastors... He told you that in Ezekiel 34, in Jeremiah 31 vs 31-34, in Ezekiel 36, in John 10, in Matthew 23....over and over Jesus Christ warned you against these false teachers and prophets who will come to you pretending they are sent of God.

God told you that He alone is the teacher and leader over each and everyone that belongs to Him. He never called you to follow men but instead to follow Him, God.

Your pastors and Mogs do not preach the Gospel of the Kingdom of God. Instead they preach doctrines and traditions of men which Jesus Christ, in Mark 7 warned you against imbibing as those lies nullify the power of God in your lives, leaving you cursed instead of blessed.

mechanics:
A pastor is one that has been called by God, not everyone will be a pastor by we can play our own part by preaching the Word of in our little corner.

i have gave u prove from bible God did not called pastors... now u what prove do u have that God called pastors?

AdakaBoro8:
i have gave u prove from bible God did not called pastors... now u what prove do u have that God called pastors?

God called pastors, believe it or not, I won't argue with you again.

mechanics:
God called pastors, believe it or not, I won't argue with you again.

how is that my problem? we all know that nigerian pastors are serious business..

AdakaBoro8:
how is that my problem? we all know that nigerian pastors are serious business..

not all pastors are called.

mechanics:
God called pastors, believe it or not, I won't argue with you again.

So you have consciously chosen to condemn God a liar for the sake of your pastor men then?

May your gods(Mogs) continue to be with and protect you then.

mechanics:
not all pastors are called.

None of them are "called" or "anointed" by God.

Kobojunkiee:
None of them are "called" or "anointed" by God.

That's a lie from the pit of hell.

mechanics:
That's a lie from the pit of hell.

1. So what God said in Ezekial 34 vs 1 -16 is a lie from the pit of Hell?

2. What Jesus Christ repeated in John 10 vs 1 -16 is also a lie from the pit of Hell?

3. What Jesus Christ declared in Matthew 23 vs 1-16 is a lie from the pit of Hell?

4. By the way, did you know that even to this day, contrary to the teachings of your Mogs, Hell remains unoccupied .i.e. there is no lie in Hell even right now because Jesus Christ has yet to return ? Read Matthew 25 vs 31 through 46 to learn the Truth of God.

Kobojunkiee:
1. So what God said in Ezekial 34 vs 1 -16 is a lie from the pit of Hell?

2. What Jesus Christ repeated in John 10 vs 1 -16 is also a lie from the pit of Hell?

3. What Jesus Christ declared in Matthew 23 vs 1-16 is a lie from the pit of Hell?

4. By the way, did you know that even to this day, contrary to the teachings of your Mogs, Hell remains unoccupied .i.e. there is no lie in Hell even right now because Jesus Christ has yet to return ? Read Matthew 25 vs 31 through 46 to learn the Truth of God.

You can interpret the Bible the way you want, just know that genuine pastors are called by God

mechanics:
You can interpret the Bible the way you want, just know that genuine pastors are called by God

Interpret? I gave you the verses so you could read it for yourself.

God never asked us to interpret His Words to us. He gave them to us in human language so we can comprehend it as we comprehend any other idea written or presented to us in human language.

There are no such things as "genuine" pastors in the Kingdom of God. They are all liars and deceivers...false teachers and false prophets who Jesus Christ warned you will come to you in the name of God.

Bruno3000:
so who is Adeboye connected to? Have u seen anyone layed hands on him?

Adeboye too has someone who is superior to him spiritually, may be you av not seen
But he will sure have pple in the kingdom he respects and seek spiritual advice from