Krismas:
I believe u have enough intelligence to see thru d issues. The word RULETH in d affairs of men, connotes JUDGEMENT. God judges men for their actions. He removes one ruler and installs another. Becos He owns d kingdom. But He does not own d system, cos wot he wants usually is not wot he gets. In the book of Samuel, the people choose a king against his wish, and established laws not emanating from Him. Worst he can do, is remove one and find a replacement among MEN of course. But d replacement can come and do even more WORSE cud even hand over d kingdom to satan

So in summary, God is always involved in the affairs of men but Satan rules from behind the scenes? Isn't it just better to say God deposes and installs kings in order to have his will done but men (the kings) always decide to go against God's will? Why bring in an external satan? If what you are saying is true, then the Satan the new testament speaks of is also mankind albeit wicked men.

The first man lost the Authority to possess the earth. Listen to his words again he said I will give you authority. It is the authority i.e power that makes the Kingdom or possession. Remember said he is the one that givea poeer to get wealth. Halleluyah to Jesus, he has restored the power back to man but this power is only available to those who accept him.

Op abeg rest. So devil no remember Jesus again? Una go just open mouth baaa trying to justify a known fact. This world is largely owned by the devil that's why to make it to heaven tru earth is hard. Look around u and tell ur self the truth. Devil is here within men

Earth belonged to man as we saw in Genesis,the transfer of the rulership of the earth happened when God asked Adam in the presence of the devil,what did you do?Adam instead of taking responsibility passed the mantle to Eve by blaming her and God turned to her as asked,now if she had claimed responsibility a woman would have had dominion over the world,but she transferred the power to satan by blaming him and God asked satan and he claimed responsibility and so he proceeded to ask for condemnation for man and that was how he became the ruler of the world

GeneralDae:

So in summary, God is always involved in the affairs of men but Satan rules from behind the scenes? Isn't it just better to say God deposes and installs kings in order to have his will done but men (the kings) always decide to go against God's will? Why bring in an external satan? If what you are saying is true, then the Satan the new testament speaks of is also mankind albeit wicked men.

U are not wrong that WICKED MEN is the devil cos they are always so demonized u can barely tell d difference. I have advanced Revelation 17:12-14 as example of how dis happens. Perhaps one of d most amazing thing on earth is THE LOVE OF MEN FOR SATAN! Its perplexing

Nascimento:


There is nothing like the spirit of good and bad dwelling in man. We are free moral agents. We decide what to do, good or bad.
If you say satan is not a creature, then who tempted Jesus after he got baptised? Who challenged Job's integrity before God in heaven? Who contended with Michael for the body of Moses? Who did the Bible refer to as "the god of this system of thing"? Who does was the book of revelation 12:12 referring to when it say: "... Devil has come down to you... Knowing he has a short period of time".
The Devil is real. He's a wicked spirit creature influencing all the vices in the world today. Jesus came to break the works of the Devil not the work of man, but the works of the Devil.
Please get that.

First, you need to help yourself understand the terms "creature", "spirit", "being".
Secondly, No "creature" tempted Jesus.
It was the spirit of the flesh that tried to rear its head against the divine nature of Christ.
If I know that I have the power to do anything, why can't I turn stone into food after fasting for forty days and forty nights?
Nothing wrong with, huh? After all I won't be offending anyone.
If God had promised me so much protection, why can't I jump from the top of the Eiffel tower?
After all, He'll place his angels charge over me.
I won't hurt myself.
I look around the world. I know that God has given the earth to me (men) - Psalm 115:16. Why should I not blast in myself. Do I still need to worship God? Why can't I "worship" these riches?
Those were the evil thoughts that crossed the mind of Jesus because of the spirits controlling the flesh.
Temptations are difficult to overcome. If they aren't, we won't be asking God not to lead us into temptation.
If the devil were a creature who walks up to someone as the devil to tempt, no one would fall into temptation.
A "man of God" who preaches genuine repentance and win souls for Christ can become an armed robber at night, dispossessing and killing people.
Also, you know Satan once lived in heaven, right? You also know that there are no "creatures" in heaven.
God, and His host of heaven "created"/"made" everything. (See the account of creation).
You may consider reading the story of the casting out of devils (legion) where Jesus granted their request to enter into a herd of pigs and a great number of pigs - about 2000 - drowned.
Have ever thought about the reason Jesus did that even though he knew that would mean the owner of the pigs will lose money?
Think about it.
You may share your thought with me if you wish.
You could read up some literature and broaden your understanding of these things.
May God help us.
Have a blessed Sunday.

Who da hell is satan? What kinda beer does satan drink? Does anyone has satan's phone number? I hope satan has big breasts and bottom.

petra1:


Well Let me still Answer you even though my earlier post is self explanatory.

God gave the dominion of the earth to Adam .

Genesis 1:28
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Psalms 115:16
The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD's:
but the earth hath he given to the children of men.

As I said earlier man's fall gave Satan the dominion to be custodian of Adamic authority. And prince of the world

John 14:30
Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

2 Corinthians 4:4
Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. . . .

Luke 4:6
And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it

How was it delivered. Because Adam submitted himself to the devil. And he became his master.

Romans 6:16
Are you not conscious that you are the servants of him to whom you give yourselves to do his desire? if to sin, the end being death, or if to do the desire of God, the end being righteousness.

Brilliant

MaxInDHouse:
Find the true Christians they will help you understand their book.
Before i was a Muslim and that's exactly what our clerics always say about the Bible but fortunately for me it's one of them who told me that JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES understands the book more than others that's why i began questioning JWs on those things that seems contradicting only to find out that the understanding of the book was given to just one Chosen group and whoever wants to read this book without the help of this group will be lost in thought! Daniel 12:10

May God almighty continue to bless you for coming to serve the only true God.

michlins:
But Jesus no correct him. Na you want correct him

You made a very valid point.
If Satan was wrong in his assertion, Jesus would have corrected him straight up.
No time.

ictjobber:



2 The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden,(C) 3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”(D)

4 “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman.(E) 5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God,(F) knowing good and evil.”

6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable(G) for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband,(H) who was with her, and he ate it.(I)

7. Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked;(J) so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.

He didn't lie to them. He told them what would happen if they ate from the tree. When they succumbed and ate from the tree, they didn't die, instead what he said would happen, happened. Both their eyes opened.... How is that a lie?

The story of Job in the Bible book of Job.
He put up a wicked lie and Allegation against Job that he would only serve God when it is Convenient for Him, God allowed him do all manner of extremely wicked things to him, and he was Proven wrong again.
Satan and Lie are the same thing bros, the idea of lies, deceit, slander rebellion, Originates from Satan

What goes on between God and Satan is family problem.... Mom and Dad fighting and we the children get got up in the middle.......

That time of the week when y'all pretend to be Christians whilst supporting evil during the week.

GreaterFuture:

The story of Job in the Bible book of Job.
He put up a wicked lie and Allegation against Job that he would only serve God when it is Convenient for Him, God allowed him do all manner of extremely wicked things to him, and he was Proven wrong again.
Satan and Lie are the same thing bros, the idea of lies, deceit, slander rebellion, Originates from Satan

Do you know what a lie is??

bingbagbo:
Daniel 2:37-41
[37]You, O king, are a king of kings. For the God of heaven has given you a kingdom, power, strength, and glory;
[38] and wherever the children of men dwell, or the beasts of the field and the birds of the heaven, He has given them into your hand, and has made you ruler over them all—you are this head of gold.
[39]But after you shall arise another kingdom inferior to yours; then another, a third kingdom of bronze, which shall rule over all the earth.
[40]And the fourth kingdom shall be as strong as iron, inasmuch as iron breaks in pieces and shatters everything; and like iron that crushes, that kingdom will break in pieces and crush all the others.
[41]Whereas you saw the feet and toes, partly of potter’s clay and partly of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; yet the strength of the iron shall be in it, just as you saw the iron mixed with ceramic clay.

DID YOU NOTICE FROM THE ABOVE VERSES THAT, GOD HAS GIVEN THE RULERSHIP OF THIS EARTH TO MAN? THE KINGDOMS OF THIS EARTH BELONG TO MAN.

THOSE WHO CLAIM SATAN RULES THE EARTH, SHOW US WHERE THAT AUTHORITY WAS GIVEN SATAN? THE DEVIL IS A LIAR

See Satan's lies below

Luke 4:5-8
[5]Then the devil, taking Him up on a high mountain, showed Him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
[6]And the devil said to Him, “All this authority I will give You, and their glory; for this has been delivered to me, and I give it to whomever I wish.
[7]Therefore, if You will worship before me, all will be Yours.”
[8]And Jesus answered and said to him, “Get behind Me, Satan! For it is written, ‘You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve.’ ”

JUST AS THE DEVIL DECEIVED EVE IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN, HE TRIED DECEIVING THE LORD JESUS, BUT HE FAILED. THE DEVIL IS A LIAR

John 8:44

You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.

IN SPITE OF THE BOLDED, MANY STILL BELIEVE SATAN SPOKE THE TRUTH WHEN HE CLAIMED HE OWNED THE KINGDOMS OF THE WORLD

The devil wasn't lying at that point. Adam delivered up to him the dominion of the whole world.

It was when Jesus came to restore the glory Adam lost back to man that the devil lost authority even though he stills controls the destinies of majority.

Daveambition:
The kindom of this earth belongs to Man. No wonder devil possess Buhari so e go fit rule naija for 6yrs & stil counting. Truly, na satan dey rule most african nation

2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. Satan is the god of this world, Adam gave up that authority to him.

ictjobber:



Do you know what a lie is??

If you don't want to Give out the Data, just Say so. No be to dey whine person.

Satan implied that God was a liar, when, in fact, he was the liar. He told Eve that she could be like God, whereas he wanted to be like God. And through his deceitful ways, he achieved his selfish desire. To Eve, he made himself higher than God. By obeying Satan, Eve accepted Satan as her god.​

Your Quote their he said to eve, "You will not die", that was a Lie!
Death was not part of God's Original plan, Satan made Eve (and her Husband Adam) sin, which brought about death.

So he lied and Jesus didn't know? If it was a lie, then that thing wouldn't have been called a temptation. I mean, to tempt someone with material things, it has to be something you truly own. Jesus never said Satan lied, he only declined the offer which means that Satan could do it

ospido:



Brilliant. petra1

Not really.
Science has demonstrated that free will is an illusion. You don't have to think much to see this is true: where do your thoughts come from? You only present your thoughts or decisions but u don't control where they come from. It’s like a spokesman being said to be the person responsible for a decision.

MaxInDHouse:

It wasn't a literal tree but freewill having to do with our dealings with our fellowman.
Adam and Eve fully understood that God has the power to set standards for them but they want to liberate themselves under such restraint and begin setting standards for their descendants. So instead of God's rule Adam and Eve wants to dominate their progenies as Gods! {Genesis 3:1-5} Satan realized this so he used their freewill that has limit as bait and the couple walked right into the trap.

Science has demonstrated that free will is an illusion. You don't have to think much to see this is true: where do your thoughts come from? You only present your thoughts or decisions but u don't control where they come from. It’s like a spokesman being said to be the person responsible for a decision.

You're really funny. You don't know what being spiritual means my friend!
Let me enlighten you a bit: Real spiritual people don't go about boasting about charms, you won't even see an amulet with them, the spirit dwells in them it's when they're dominating that you know whose spirit is greater not the noisy attitude! 1Corinthians 2:15

I gave you real world present era examples. Where are yours. Stop relying on cliches. Think for yourself sometimes. Look around you. What physical is being controlled by spiritual? Even covid19, it is people physically studying it and producing vaccines. Yes, spiritual has some effect, but the physical controls the physical far more than the spiritual. Just as a placebo or prayers CAN heal a disease but the physical medication for it WILL heal it.

Is this supposed to be news? Has Satan ever told truth before?

If you love your eternity, you better stop trying to rationalize Scripture and who owns the world. Jesus did not refute the claim of satan about who rules the world, because He clearly knows the truth. He only neutralized santan's bait to get Jesus to bow down to him.
Scripture abound about how our rulership is not of this world. When you understand this, you will find it easy to let go of the desire to contend with those who have TEMPORARY rulership of this transient world.
FOCUS ON HEAVEN! FOCUS!

TO THOSE WHO ASK THE QUESTION: "IF GOD IS IN CONTROL OF THIS EARTH, WHY IS THERE SO MUCH CORRUPTION AND HARDSHIP?"

HERE IS THE ANSWER:

Romans 8:20-22
[20] For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope;
[21]because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
[22]For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now.

GOD HIMSELF SUBJECTED HIS CREATION TO FUTILITY; NOT SATAN. GOD IS IN CONTROL AND DOING ALL THINGS ACCORDING TO HIS PURPOSE.

SATAN IS A LIAR (JOHN 8:44)

PoliteActivist:


Not really.
Science has demonstrated that free will is an illusion. You don't have to think much to see this is true: where do your thoughts come from? You only present your thoughts or decisions but u don't control where they come from. It’s like a spokesman being said to be the person responsible for a decision.

What is the relevance of your comments to the post?

bingbagbo:


Kindly show us where in scriptures Adam gave the kingdoms to Satan...I am waiting

When Adam fell!

petra1:


Well Let me still Answer you even though my earlier post is self explanatory.

God gave the dominion of the earth to Adam .

Genesis 1:28
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Psalms 115:16
The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD's:
but the earth hath he given to the children of men.

As I said earlier man's fall gave Satan the dominion to be custodian of Adamic authority. And prince of the world

John 14:30
Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

2 Corinthians 4:4
Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. . . .

Luke 4:6
And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it

How was it delivered. Because Adam submitted himself to the devil. And he became his master.

Romans 6:16
Are you not conscious that you are the servants of him to whom you give yourselves to do his desire? if to sin, the end being death, or if to do the desire of God, the end being righteousness.

you are good sir .But if they choose to ignore this reality ,let it slide please .Every soun.d mature Christian knows that the whole world lies in darkness and is already judged .Satan rules with his system and civilisation

remember in the revelation, it is writing that God is king of king, so that means that God is the God of the kings that exist on earth not sattan.

PoliteActivist:

Questions:1)
why didn't God just not create the tree?2) Did God know in advance they'd disobey Him?

It wasn't a literal tree but freewill having to do with our dealings with our fellowman.
Adam and Eve fully understood that God has the power to set standards for them but they want to liberate themselves under such restraint and begin setting standards for their descendants. So instead of God's rule Adam and Eve wants to dominate their progenies as Gods! {Genesis 3:1-5} Satan realized this so he used their freewill that has limit as bait and the couple walked right into the trap.

3) If SPIRITUAL CONTROLS PHYSICAL! why is it that all the deeply spiritual countries are always defeated and ruled by physical countries? Gigantic India with all her spiritism was defeated and colonized by small Britain with physical guns. Same Nigeria with all her juju. How come scientific countries are always more successful than spiritist ones, etc?

You're really funny. You don't know what being spiritual means my friend!
Let me enlighten you a bit: Real spiritual people don't go about boasting about charms, you won't even see an amulet with them, the spirit dwells in them it's when they're dominating that you know whose spirit is greater not the noisy attitude! 1Corinthians 2:15

And the confusion continues

GeneralDae:
But Man is also Satan. If you know you know.
BTW who was called the Prince of this world in the new testament?

Take your time to go through verses like 1 john 2 : 15-17
John 17 : 14-15
John 15 : 18-19
James 4 : 4 (let me stop here) then you would why he was refer as the prince of the world.
Shalom

Then it's your fault if you failed to single out the religion that truly belongs to God Sir!

You need not to be told who is a real tailor in the midst of thousands of people claiming they're tailors when only one is able to design a fitting outfit whereas the rest can't even handle the sowing machine talkless cutting or sowing anything on the machine.

A wise man once said:

By their fruits you will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they? Likewise, every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit. A good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, nor can a rotten tree produce fine fruit.

If they're truly chosen by God, can't you as old as you're figure out what to expect from a religion that is chosen by God?

Well let me help you out.

They must be able to win the heart of people from all races, unite them as lovers of peace everywhere they find them, stop them from resolving issues with violence but amicably as befitting God's people, make them vow never to raise weapons against anyone again and continue using everything they have to make peace reign between them and their neighbours! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

Even a toddler will tell you that if every religion teaches such as in inculcate this in the minds of their members, the world will be a Paradise!

So stop being foolish but become wise!

GeneralDae:

every denomination religion would claim to be the chosen ones and true believers on the right path.

MaxInDHouse:
Then it's your fault if you failed to single out the religion that truly belongs to God Sir!

You need not to be told who is a real tailor in the midst of thousands of people claiming they're tailors when only one is able to design a fitting outfit whereas the rest can't even handle the sowing machine talkless cutting or sowing anything on the machine.

A wise man once said:

By their fruits you will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they? Likewise, every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit. A good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, nor can a rotten tree produce fine fruit.

If they're truly chosen by God, can't you as old as you're figure out what to expect from a religion that is chosen by God?

Well let me help you out.

They must be able to win the heart of people from all races, unite them as lovers of peace everywhere they find them, stop them from resolving issues with violence but amicably as befitting God's people, make them vow never to raise weapons against anyone again and continue using everything they have to make peace reign between them and their neighbours! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

Even a toddler will tell you that if every religion teaches such as in inculcate this in the minds of their members, the world will be a Paradise!

So stop being foolish but become wise!

ok let me ask you this simple question: Are Jehovah witnesses the only set of people qualified for Paradise?

I have told you before that the Buddhist religon is peaceful and is now all over the world. It teaches peace and non violence. The Buddha also taught the 8 parts to enlightenment, go look them up. The Western World today are embracing Buddhism like never before and it is still spreading. Immediately so many from the West embrace it in full, it would definitely spread to Africa and Southamerica. So what would you say then?