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Re: Satan Lied When He Claimed The Kingdoms Of The World Were His by BluntTheApostle(m): 2:30pm On May 10, 2021 |
Krismas: So why didn't God cut down the tree from the beginning? See, the Bible did not just jump down from Heaven. Writers copied from one another. The other gospel writers copied from Mark. If the Devil literally entered Judas, the writer of Mark would have documented it. I am not saying the Devil is a good guy. But many changes have gone into the Bible to make the Devil appear to be just more than the tempter he originally was. Just as efforts have gone into making Jesus appear to be God Himself. I have a degree in Theology. I am not talking from the perspective of the Bible, but from the perspective of a historian. No one has the original books of the Bible. All we have are books copied from two authoritative (but not original) versions of the Bible. For example, King James favored "Devil" over "demon" as though the words can and should be used interchangeably. But a demon is not the Devil. |
Re: Satan Lied When He Claimed The Kingdoms Of The World Were His by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:38pm On May 10, 2021 |
PrincessGlow:So you're saying man should not be held accountable for his deeds, shey? You're not making any sense walahi talahi, because if what you're trying to say is true then there won't be any need for this argument, you should simply agree that i'm the type that welcomes change when i feel it's not profitable to continue whereas you're the type that gives up and stop moving even when it's glaring that you're retrogressing! I watched a video of a 73 year old woman saying she no longer believed in JW teachings but had to stay because it was all her life. From what I hear, it is when you try to leave JW that you'd realise you joined a cult Your old woman is tired of her faith nah, it doesn't mean everyone else should give up, if there's life outside JWs what stops her from leaving? John 6:68 Can't you see people committing suicide here and there? Does that justifies suicide? |
Re: Satan Lied When He Claimed The Kingdoms Of The World Were His by Krismas(m): 3:13pm On May 10, 2021 |
BluntTheApostle:Why didnt God cut down the tree from the beginning? Why does God not cut the weeds in your garden? U have a role in the scheme of things or dont u. Many believe right now that heaven is so clean yet will frown at the tot that there must be cleaners, gardeners there. No self sustaining system anywhere. Its not just about coping from one another, the synoptic gospels have certain similar narratives like they stem from a common source, doesnt mean they dont hold significant differences. What u saying in nutshell, though u not saying it well is the accepted code for exegesis THAT AN IDEA MUST OCCUR AT LEAST TWICE IN THE BIBLE FOR IT TO BECOME A DOCTRINE. Since from the mouth of two or more is a matter established. Its true. And by the way, U ARE COMPLETELY RIGHT ABOUT SATAN NOT ABLE TO POSSESS PEOPLE. I know, i was just checking you up. Trying to see how deep u are. Believe me, i respect your degree in theology though i believe we can differ on a few things, like 1. I believe the devil has taken an upgrade in power and wickedness, since the last time he was the tempter. To be quiet frank, i really dont think the one who tempted Eve is the devil of Today, that guy is gone. 2. I believe Jesus is God incarnated. 3. With the exception of the new testament scripts, which due to the destruction and arson it suffered from hands of many malevolent actors in the past, the Bible is well preserved. The copies are copies of the copies of the copies of the original copies. Of Course a demon is not the devil. They are different so i dont understand the point u made on dat |
Re: Satan Lied When He Claimed The Kingdoms Of The World Were His by BluntTheApostle(m): 3:28pm On May 10, 2021 |
Krismas: Remember Adam and Eve had no knowledge of good and evil. It was God's sole responsibility to remove Evil from their midst since they could not tell good from evil. Even if God warned them severally, the fact is that they could not tell good from evil. Anyway, the Creation Story sounds more like a Jewish fable than a reality. |
Re: Satan Lied When He Claimed The Kingdoms Of The World Were His by Krismas(m): 4:14pm On May 10, 2021 |
BluntTheApostle:Adam and eve had no knowledge of good and evil. wot i understand from that is they have not EXPERIENCED the difference. U need to EXPERIENCE hunger to appreciate the blessedness of filled-stomach. It doesnt mean they didnt have an intellectual understanding of the concept of good and evil. I for instance have never been struck by lighting, but i certainly dont want to experience it. so i heed all the advice about conduct during a thunderstorm. Why will Adam want to experience suffering? They cud tell the difference btw the realities theoretically. Having said all this, i believe the real answer lie in the fact that GOOD and EVIL are opposite sides of the same coin. u cant define one without the other. until one suffers or see others suffer, he cant appreciate enjoyment. So, both realities are in God, and makeup creation and can't be removed. I merely wish Adam had closed the door on evil permanently. Then once more, permit me to believe the creation story is not mere Jewish fable |
Re: Satan Lied When He Claimed The Kingdoms Of The World Were His by petra1(m): 4:44pm On May 10, 2021 |
frankson1: Kindly enlighten us about it |
Re: Satan Lied When He Claimed The Kingdoms Of The World Were His by PrincessGlow: 4:55pm On May 10, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: Man is programed. He constantly updates the programming as new experiences come. The reason he should be held accountable for his deeds and punished or rewarded for them is because that's the best way to update his programming. Do you think if Adam and Eve had a 2nd chance they'd eat the fruit again?? --------------------- The old woman said they'd ostracized you and cut off all your social connections if you try to leave JW |
Re: Satan Lied When He Claimed The Kingdoms Of The World Were His by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:27pm On May 10, 2021 |
PrincessGlow:You're confused my friend! There's nothing like programing in this matter, if man had the ability to do anything they'll just do it without hesitation. As for Adam and Eve it's written all over their faces just that unwise readers like you can't read the unsaid. Adam blamed his Creator for giving him a wife {Genesis 3:12} and Eve blamed God for giving her life in the garden {Genesis 3:13} give them a million chance and they will ever continue to rebel only to later shift blame! The old woman said they'd ostracized you and cut off all your social connections if you try to leave JW This shows how low your IQ, real CULTISTS will exterminate any member that tries to leave their caucus because they control all the connections. Jehovah's Witnesses only controls members which is only less than 9,000,000 out of about 9,000,000,000 inhabitants of this planet. So how do you think 1 out of 1,000 persons can make any difference when you choose to leave him and run into the midst of the thousand? Moreover they don't believe in killing anyone and they're the most easygoing people on this planet, what influence do you think they could have? My guy the truth is obvious. Many lawless people left the organization but they just can't find another happy family of peace loving worshipers elsewhere yet they want JWs to continue treating them like members of the global family whereas they don't want to live by the same standard guiding the family! Romans 16:17 So stop deceiving yourself, if some people brainwashed you to think peaceful and easygoing people are CULTISTS wake-up from you slumber my man! You've been thoroughly deceived! |
Re: Satan Lied When He Claimed The Kingdoms Of The World Were His by PrincessGlow: 7:42pm On May 10, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: U r programmed by your genes, how your brain works, your environment, etc. That's what the subconscious is - you programming. It is 30,000 times more powerful than your conscious mind. It is what determines who you are and you have no control over it. ------------- The main hallmark of cult is that they isolate you from the rest of society by consuming most of your time in the cults activities. So that all your life is in the cult: if you ever dare leave you'd have no one. See below
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Re: Satan Lied When He Claimed The Kingdoms Of The World Were His by PrincessGlow: 7:56pm On May 10, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: BTW in Adam and Eve there is one big elephant everyone carefully ignores: how did Adam and Eve acquire a rebellious spirit |
Re: Satan Lied When He Claimed The Kingdoms Of The World Were His by oaroloye(m): 8:01pm On May 10, 2021 |
MISHIGAS! GeneralDae: DANIEL IS UNRELIABLE: IF HE HAD TOLD NEBUCHADNEZZAR THAT HIS POWER CAME FROM SATAN, HE WOULD HAVE BEEN KILLED IMMEDIATELY! Use commonsense: How can God give Power to a man who demands to be WORSHIPPED AS A GOD? MaxInDHouse: THAT IS A COMPLETE LIE- WHICH IS BASICALLY WHAT JEHOVAH'S WITLESSES® ARE GOOD FOR. No Human has the Right to teach you The Word of God, but your PARENTS. . EXODUS 20:1-7. AND God Spake all these Words, Saying, 2. "I (am) The LORD thy God, Which have brought thee out of The Land of Egypt, out of The House of Bondage. 3. "Thou shalt have no other gods before Me. 4. "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness (of any thing) that (is) in the Earth beneath, or that (is) in the Water under the Earth: 5. "Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I The LORD thy God (am) a Jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the third and fourth (generation) of them that Hate Me. 6. "And shewing Mercy unto thousands of them which Love Me, and Keep My Commandments. 7. "Thou shalt not take The Name of The LORD thy God in vain; for The LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh His Name in vain." GOD HOLDS EVERY HUMAN ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE INIQUITIES COMMITTED BY THEIR PARENTS, THEIR GRANDPARENTS, AND THEIR GREAT-GRANDPARENTS. . NUMBERS 15:27-31. 27. "And if any man Sin through Ignorance, then he shall bring a She Goat of the first year for a Sin Offering. 28. "And the Priest shall make an Atonement for the Soul that Sinneth Ignorantly, when he Sinneth by Ignorance before The LORD, to make an Atonement for him, and it shall be forgiven him. 29. " Ye shall have one Law for him that Sinneth Ignorantly (both for) him that is born among the Children of Israel, and for the Stranger that sojourneth among them. 30. "But the Soul that doeth (ought) presumptuously, (whether he be) born in the land, or a Stranger, the same reproacheth The LORD; and that Soul shall be cut off from among his people. 31. "Because he hath despised The Word of The LORD, and hath broken His Commandment, that Soul shall utterly be cut off; his Iniquity (shall be) upon him." . DEUTERONOMY 6:1-9. NOW these are The Commandments, The Statutes, and The Judgments, Which The LORD your God Commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess It: 2. That thou mightest fear The LORD thy God, to keep all His Statutes and His Commandments, Which I Command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged. 3. Hear therefore, O Israel, and observe to do (It); that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase mightily, as the LORD God of thy fathers hath promised thee, in the land that floweth with milk and honey. 4. Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: 5. And thou shalt love The LORD thy God with all thine Heart, and with all thy Soul, and with all thy might. 6. And these Words, which I Command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: 7. And thou shalt teach Them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of Them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. 8. And thou shalt bind Them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes. 9. And thou shalt write Them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates. LIFE COMES FROM FULFILLING THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD: EATING PHYSICAL FOOD IS ONLY THE LEAST OPTION OF FULFILLING THE COMMANDMENT TO FEED OURSELVES. It takes at least seven years to understand The Scriptures. If your parents failed in their Duty- which is par for Gentiles- you have to make up for their carelessness and laziness yourself. . JOB 28:28. 28. "And unto Man He Said, 'BEHOLD, THE FEAR OF THE LORD, THAT IS WISDOM; AND TO DEPART FROM EVIL, IS UNDERSTANDING.' " . PSALM 111:10. 10. The Fear of The LORD is The Beginning of Wisdom: a Good Understanding have all they that do His Commandments: His Praise endureth for ever. . ISAIAH 55:6-9. 6. Seek ye The LORD, while He may be found, call ye upon Him while He is near. 7. Let the Wicked forsake his Way, and the Unrighteous Man his Thoughts: and let him return unto The LORD, and He will have Mercy upon him; and to our God, for He will abundantly pardon. 8. "FOR MY THOUGHTS (ARE) NOT YOUR THOUGHTS, NEITHER ARE YOUR WAYS MY WAYS," Saith The LORD. 9. "FOR (AS) THE HEAVENS ARE HIGHER THAN THE EARTH, SO ARE MY WAYS HIGHER THAN YOUR WAYS, AND MY THOUGHTS THAN YOUR THOUGHTS.' " . 2nd CHRONICLES 16:9. 9. "For The Eyes of The LORD run to and fro throughout the whole Earth, to show Himself strong on behalf of those whose heart is perfect toward Him. Herein thou hast done foolishly: therefore from henceforth thou shalt have wars.” . AMOS 3:3. 3. Can two walk together, except they be agreed?" . ZECHARIAH 4:10. 10. For who hath despised The Day of Small Things? For they shall rejoice, and shall see the plummet in the hand of Zerubbabel with those seven; they are The Eyes of The LORD, Which run to and fro through the whole Earth. A HEBREW Y'SRAELITE BEGAN THEIR DEDICATION TO GOD BY AGE 13 (BAR/BAT MITZVAH). EACH SPIRIT OF GOD SHOULD TAKE A YEAR TO ATTAIN. . EXODUS 21:1-6. "Now these are the Judgments Which thou shalt set before them. 2. "If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years He shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing. 3. "If he came in by himself, he shall go out by himself: if He were married, then his wife shall go out with him. 4. "If his master have given him a wife, and she have born him sons or daughters; the wife and her children shall be her master's, and He shall go out by himself. 5. "And if the servant shall plainly say, "I LOVE MY MASTER, MY WIFE, AND MY CHILDREN; I WILL NOT GO OUT FREE:" 6. "Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and He shall serve him for ever." . DEUTERONOMY 24:5. 5. When a man hath taken a new wife, he shall not go out to war, neither shall he be charged with any business but he shall be free at home one year, and shall cheer up his wife which he hath taken. . 2nd PETER 1:5-9. 5. And besides this, giving all diligence, add to your Faith Virtue, and to Virtue Knowledge, 6. And to Knowledge Temperance, and to Temperance Patience, and to Patience Godliness, 7. And to Godliness Brotherly Kindness, and to Brotherly Kindness Charity. 8. For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in The Knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9. But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old Sins. . REVELATION 4:5. 5. And out of The Throne proceeded Lightnings and Thunderings and Voices: and there were seven Lamps of Fire burning before The Throne, Which are The Seven Spirits of God. . REVELATION 5:6. 6. And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the Throne and of the four Beasts, and in the midst of the Elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven Horns and seven Eyes, which are The seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the Earth. oaroloye: MEDITATION IN THE LAW OF MOSES IS HOW THE SOUL IS CHARGED WITH SPIRITUAL ENERGY- LIKE A BATTERY. oaroloye: IF THERE WERE ANY OTHER WAY TO ACHIEVE "GOOD SUCCESS," GOD WOULD HAVE TOLD US! . PSALM 119:97-105. 97. O how I love Thy Law! It is my meditation all the day. 98. Thou through Thy Commandments hast made me Wiser than mine enemies: for They are ever with me. 99 I have more Understanding than all my teachers: for Thy Testimonies are my meditation. 100. I understand more than the Ancients, because I keep Thy Precepts. 101. I have refrained my feet from every Evil Way, that I might keep Thy Word. 102. I have not departed from Thy Judgments: for Thou hast taught me. 103. How sweet are Thy Words unto my taste! yea, sweeter than honey to my mouth! 104. Through Thy Precepts I get Understanding: therefore I hate every False Way. 105. Thy Word is a Lamp unto my feet, and a Light unto my path. UNDERSTANDING IS ACHIEVED THROUGH KEEPING THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD AND THEN MEDITATING UPON THE LAW OF GOD BY MOSES. Obedience alone is not enough. oaroloye: AWARENESS IS A MEASURE OF AFFINITY (LIKING), REALITY (AGREEMENT), COMMUNICATION, KNOWLEDGE (ORGANIZATION OF SENSE DATA), RESPONSIBILITY (THE WILLINGNESS TO BE CAUSE), AND CONTROL (THE ABILITY TO START, TO CHANGE, AND TO STOP), aka. LIFE. MaxInDHouse post=......] I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT YOU ARE VERY INSENSITIVE, POLITICALLY-INCORRECT, AND RUDE FOR GETTING TO THE POINT! How can people enjoy the debate, when you are telling them what the real problem is? You are very inconsiderate, and I have to warn you that if you do not take care, you might save the country, instead of allowing- metaphorically-speaking- the car owners to die peacefully in their sleep, unlike their screaming passengers! Muyiwaipere: WHY WOULD GOD WANT TO CONTROL THE WORLD, WHEN THE WORLD DOES NOT BELONG TO HIM? That statement will be completely incomprehensible to the layman, who believes that Christians believe that "GOD CREATED THE WORLD." CHRISTIANS know that God did not create the World. The JEHOVAH'S WITLESSES® organization is built on the Prophecy of Charles Taze Russell that Lord Yeshua had already returned to the Earth in 1874, and would End the World in 1914. The JEHOVAH'S WITLESSES® taught that the World ended in 1914- since they use "kalokalo" Russian-Roulette Doctrines, I don't know whether they still teach that or not, because they changed It several times Judge Rutherford prophesied the End of the World in 1925, and other dates. [See: THIRTY YEARS A WATCHTOWER SLAVE, by William J. Schnell.] Being mentally-immature, thinking themselves superior for knowing minor things others do not- they won't explain that the modern Anglophone conflates the terms "WORLD," and "EARTH" as if they meant the same thing. They don't. It is childishly simple: "THE EARTH" means this supposed Planet (which may be FLAT, or CONCAVE, rather than CONVEX,) while "WORLD" means "THE CIVILIZATIONS on the Earth." Oyinbo Fundamentalist Christianity has given the impression that Lord Yeshua is going to do World War Suya. The reality may be like that- or it could be relatively quiet. LORD YESHUA WILL DESTROY THE WORLD BY HIS SERVANTS IMPLEMENTING HIS WORD IN THE EARTH, MAKING THE KINGDOM OF SATAN- THE WORLD- COMPLETELY REDUNDANT. |
Re: Satan Lied When He Claimed The Kingdoms Of The World Were His by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:17pm On May 10, 2021 |
PrincessGlow:You have no knowledge about human making so you're entitled to your personal opinion! The main hallmark of cult is that they isolate you from the rest of society by consuming most of your time in the cults activities. So that all your life is in the cult:The truth of the matter is most of you only hear of Cultism but you don't know how real CULTISTS operates. It's the baby cultists in your Schools that you're using to quantify real CULTS! |
Re: Satan Lied When He Claimed The Kingdoms Of The World Were His by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:18pm On May 10, 2021 |
FREEWILL! PrincessGlow: |
Re: Satan Lied When He Claimed The Kingdoms Of The World Were His by PrincessGlow: 10:03pm On May 10, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: Nope. Those things in school are gangs not cults. That's what they are called everywhere except Nigeria. JW, Adventist, etc are mild cults unlike serious cults like Branch Davidians or Heavens Gate. |
Re: Satan Lied When He Claimed The Kingdoms Of The World Were His by PrincessGlow: 10:11pm On May 10, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: Ok, walk me through it: you are created and given a certain mindset and thinking faculty. You had no hand in choosing them but u must use them to make all your decisions - you can't override them. Explain to me, where exactly is the free will |
Re: Satan Lied When He Claimed The Kingdoms Of The World Were His by ospido: 12:12am On May 11, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: Nice one there bro 1 Like |
Re: Satan Lied When He Claimed The Kingdoms Of The World Were His by ospido: 1:17am On May 11, 2021 |
Krismas: At the bolded, it is clear that we are on the same page. Which is: Satan is the ruler of the world. Thank you so much for your time. Have a good night rest. |
Re: Satan Lied When He Claimed The Kingdoms Of The World Were His by ospido: 1:41am On May 11, 2021 |
PrincessGlow: What you presented here is never a fact but propaganda. I should be the one telling you what Jehovah's Witnesses had said in the past not any newspaper or any other source for that matter. The Watchtower or Awake and other publications are there to refer to what the JW's have said in past. If you're looking for the eye of a fish, you go to the head. I mentioned earlier that the Witnesses NEVER said CATEGORICALLY that the world will end in 1975. But some persons including your likes took what was said about 1975 to mean that the world will end that year. So the question now is, what exactly was said about 1975? See the attachments below and stop the propaganda. What i presented here was published in the October 15,1966 Watchtower page 627 with the topic....Rejoicing over “God’s Sons of Liberty” Spiritual Feast, 9 years b4 the year 1975. You can get the Watchtower on jw.org Please after reading it, tell me where the falsehood you're spreading emanates from.
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Re: Satan Lied When He Claimed The Kingdoms Of The World Were His by ospido: 1:53am On May 11, 2021 |
PrincessGlow: Just say that you and your likes are the ones branding them as cultists. I have been to 9 European, 4 South American, 5 North America, 3 Asian and 15 African countries and Australia. The way they're known here, that's how they're known elsewhere. Get that fact. |
Re: Satan Lied When He Claimed The Kingdoms Of The World Were His by PrincessGlow: 5:43am On May 11, 2021 |
ospido: I don't know why u r fixated on 1975 when the JW have predicted other years, the biggest being 1914. These are verbatim quotations: Some specific predictions by Russell: "And, with the end of A.D. 1914, what God calls Babylon, and what men call Christendom, will have passed away, as is already shown from prophecy." Studies In The Scriptures, Vol. III, (1897) 2 bullet "...we consider it an established truth that the final end of the kingdoms of this world, and the full establishment of the Kingdom of God, will be accomplished by the end of A.D. 1914" (1889). 3 bullet "In the coming 26 years, all present governments will be overthrown and dissolved." Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. II, (1889) 2 However, in 1912, he back-pedalled somewhat: bullet "...he wrote that, while the prophecy remains valid, the power of the Gentiles could end either in October 1914 or in October 1915." 4 "Russell's movement expanded rapidly" in the years leading up to 1914. 1 However, the year 1914 came and passed without the visible appearance of Christ, the massive genocide, and the new Kingdom of God. The WTS regarded the start of the World War 1 as confirmation that the process leading to TEOTWAWKI, and to Christ's return, had started. They decided that 1914 was the year that Jesus invisibly began his rule from heaven. 1915, 1918, & 1920 In 1914-NOV, immediately after Russell's prophecy had failed, he wrote that the period of transition could run a "good many years." 4 The Watchtower magazine suggested that the destruction would happen "...shortly after 1914 with the utter destruction" of other Christian denominations and the inauguration of Christ's millennial reign. They first predicted that this would happen in 1915. Drawing a parallel with the destruction of Jerusalem by the Roman Army in 70 CE, the authors of the 1915 Edition of "The Time Is At Hand" wrote: "The Gentile Times prove that the present governments must all be overthrown about the close of A.D. 1915; and Parallelism above shows that this period corresponds exactly with the year A.D. 70, which witnessed the completion of the downfall of the Jewish polity." 5 After Russell's death in 1916, the WTS rewrote large portions of his Studies in the Scriptures to reflect the new belief that the year 1914 was merely the beginning of the end of Gentile times. 4 The WTS later delayed the millennium to 1918. 6 A 1917 WTS publication, "The Finished Mystery" stated: "...in the year 1918, when God destroys the churches wholesale and the church members by millions, it shall be that any that escape shall come to the works of Pastor Russell to learn the meaning of the downfall of Christianity." 7 That year also passed uneventfully, except for the end of World War I. The WTS introduced the concept that Christ would establish his millennial kingdom on earth "before the generation who saw the events of 1914 passes away." With many humans achieving a life span of over 90 years, this could place the War of Armageddon at any time between 1914 and the early 21st century |
Re: Satan Lied When He Claimed The Kingdoms Of The World Were His by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:40am On May 11, 2021 |
I know your type, when you see misinformed churchgoers you reason normally but when you come in contact with a real Christian you'll start arguing blindly! Freewill is doctor, engineer, tailor, carpenter, lawyer: professionalism that has to do with choice. People choose what they'll eat or drink, the type of person they'll marry, where they want to dwell on the surface of the planet and so on. If Adam and Eve never sinned this would have been the situation till today but after the event in Eden humans became desperate to manage the limited time they had to acquire everything they want, that's why life is like this now. God promised to bring back PARADISE so that we can continue to live with freewill again unlike now that circumstances shapen our thinking. So learn from true Christians how God arranged everything before man decided to take God's place and brought hardship upon himself! PrincessGlow: |
Re: Satan Lied When He Claimed The Kingdoms Of The World Were His by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:57am On May 11, 2021 |
The Bible belongs to JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES so if you want to understand the book go and ask JWs the meaning of what was recorded about Adam and Eve. They both perfectly knew the difference between good and evil Sir. What they wanted is the authority to set standards for themselves and their progenies, this is the tree that does not include in what they can eat! For instance when someone says you've beaten more than what you can chew it doesn't mean we're talking about bread and butter but starting what you can't finish! That's what happened Sir. Till today Adam's descendants are still chewing the forbidden fruit that's why the world's problems keep escalating. Humans aren't supposed to rule humans with their own thinking, for peace to reign we all must find out the standard God set and live by it. That's why only JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES have LOVE, JOY and PEACE permeating their gathering while all others are fighting and killing one another as they're trying to RULE one another using the standards they set by themselves! BluntTheApostle: |
Re: Satan Lied When He Claimed The Kingdoms Of The World Were His by vanvino(m): 8:58am On May 11, 2021 |
I must say, i'm enjoying the debate and thank God there's no our usual tribe drama here. My take on this is; when we talk of fact or truth, where do we get them from? If we have the understanding that our knowledge of this world are handed over to us by parents, teachers and those we trust and hold in high esteem in the society, which beg the question how can we affirm or deny all that we were/are taught? So when you debate how about we do it with an open mind instead of from a place of certainty, many of us focus on being right than: what if there's some truth to what the other person is saying. I like what Socretes said: i know i am intelligent because i know nothing. Also i see us as people born with different lens, the interpretation of the things we see lies with the colour of our lenses which beg the question what if we are wrong? what if your pastor, teacher or that writer is wrong? when u wake from your sleep, u say u had a dream, but did u call it a dream while in ur dream land? |
Re: Satan Lied When He Claimed The Kingdoms Of The World Were His by BluntTheApostle(m): 9:17am On May 11, 2021 |
Krismas: If that is the case, Adam and Eve had to experience misery to appreciate the life they had at Eden. Then, why was God so mad? And why have you accused the Devil of telling a half-truth, when his intention had driven man to acquire the knowledge to appreciate the goodness of Eden? It doesnt mean they didnt have an intellectual understanding of the concept of good and evil. How could they have had an intellectual understanding of the concept of Good and Evil when they had experienced neither of them either through reading or from the experiences of other people? No one acquires knowledge from birth. We acquire knowledge through experiences (either from formal and/or informal education). If Adam and Eve had an intellectual understanding of even the simplest concepts, then they would not be different from the humanity that came through them. It was after they ate from the tree that they actually became enlightened. I for instance have never been struck by lighting, but i certainly dont want to experience it. But you have read about lightning and the damage they can do if they strike a human being. But can a newborn baby care about experiencing it or not? If you warn a baby not to touch fire, do you think the baby will listen? The baby will only learn when it experiences being burnt by fire. We learn from experience. Adam and Eve were inexperienced. The opening of their eyes was not merely for the sake of seeing their unclothedness. It is akin to growing up and becoming fully conscious. soo i heed all the advice about conduct during a thunderstorm. Yes, because you know about thunderstorm. Adam and Eve had never sinned before nor had they ever seen someone getting punished for sinning. There was nothing to learn from. Why will Adam want to experience suffering? They cud tell the difference btw the realities theoretically. Without the knowledge of two things, how can you even tell the difference? You can't tell Africa from North America, so how can you even begin to tell the difference when you don't even know one from the other? Having said all this, i believe the real answer lie in the fact that GOOD and EVIL are opposite sides of the same coin. u cant define one without the other. until one suffers or see others suffer, he cant appreciate enjoyment. Which means it was necessary for Adam to sin to understand and appreciate the blessedness of Eden? So, both realities are in God, and makeup creation and can't be removed. I merely wish Adam had closed the door on evil permanently. Then once more, permit me to believe the creation story is not mere Jewish fable Unfortunately, it is a Jewish fable. It was only ever mentioned once or thereabouts in the Bible. For something so huge to have very little connections with the rest of the Bible speaks volumes of its lack of true connection. |
Re: Satan Lied When He Claimed The Kingdoms Of The World Were His by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:27am On May 11, 2021 |
Test your faith! vanvino: |
Re: Satan Lied When He Claimed The Kingdoms Of The World Were His by vanvino(m): 9:32am On May 11, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:I don't understand |
Re: Satan Lied When He Claimed The Kingdoms Of The World Were His by Krismas(m): 10:50am On May 11, 2021 |
BluntTheApostle:Adam’s story resound thruout d Bible so I don know where u got d untrue dat it’s an isolated case in Genesis, I tink u are trying to justify d position of the devil in d argument, I.e it is cool to come to d experiential knowledge of suffering to better understand d benefits of pleasure. It’s a lie. Adam was reliably informed by God abt the consequences of unpleasant experiences. He had first class information, dats knowledge enough. U do not have to be a cow to know abt hay. I also have never seen an atom or d famed rings around Jupiter but instructions regarding dem is wot I run wit. Remember too dat d intellectual capacity of humans have shrunk since d fall, they cud mentally tell and had no need to seek d experience Satan promised dem Wud be superb |
Re: Satan Lied When He Claimed The Kingdoms Of The World Were His by vanvino(m): 10:55am On May 11, 2021 |
I'm just a guy with the quesions; On the Adam & Eve+Freewill, i want to talk about the war in heaven that brought Adam&Eve the Devil. He was most loved by God, so why was he not forgiven? or hold a prisoner in heaven. He was not bad while living on earth but while in heaven, but u who has done bad on earth want to go to heaven & live peaceful, really? It was because of pride...so where did pride come from since he didn't creat himself. oh, Freewill: when did we have this freewill? Before or after birth? Dad & Mom enjoyed themself, after 9month here you are, but they said they did u a favour for bringing u here, how? Which part did u play in ur coming? You are suffering, ur family is victimized cause u are poor the devil said give me ur soul & be rich but God said if u do no heaven for u. So one Being take advantage of your desire live forever another Being your desire to be succesful on earth. I enjoy what Lucky Dube said; somewhere(it doest exist) between heaven & earth that's where u will find real freedom. |
Re: Satan Lied When He Claimed The Kingdoms Of The World Were His by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:00am On May 11, 2021 |
A god is meant to be worshiped by a multitude so to ascertain the effect of a god we need to consider the positive effect of such a deity in the midst of the worshipers. So whatever you've heard from your dad, mum, Uncle, teacher or others regarding the God they introduced to you. If you want to know the truth then try to thoroughly examine the outcome of the tenets of such God in the gathering of the worshipers. Each God is presented with a THEORY: How the God came about the earth and the relationship between the God and his/her worshipers. In this case you don't need to give yourself any headache, just allow each to say whatever they want since it's about the spirit realms and we can't see the spirit. Then think about the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of what the worshipers say after their THEORY. This has to do with way people deal with their God, fellow worshipers and neighbours who have nothing to do with their God. The last is BENEFIT of the PRACTICAL APPLICATION. There's only one group that passed this test all others failed after the first and second test they can't progress to the last stage! vanvino: |
Re: Satan Lied When He Claimed The Kingdoms Of The World Were His by vanvino(m): 12:12pm On May 11, 2021 |
Mr MaxinDhouse, nice view; my question, since non of us has seen "god" but his worshippers views, claiming god's words, how did u know that a god is meant to be worship? How did u come about such knowledge? Is a "god" god cus he's worship or meant to be worship? Or its by worshiping him that makes him a god to the worshipper? lets say, for instance Buhari has a positive effect on my community (multitude) can i tell my great-grand-children that he is a god? Lets say they put it to test and it didn't turn out as i told them, does that make Buhari no longer a "god" to me who has experienced it or to them who didn't? so the "positive effect" does that lies with the god or the worshipper?... Thoroughly examind whose tools (knowledge) am i going to use? I search for the truth about God/Allah, i read Bible i interview christians, Quran & Muslim what do u think the "truth" will be? god/allah is bad? |
Re: Satan Lied When He Claimed The Kingdoms Of The World Were His by bobestman(m): 12:17pm On May 11, 2021 |
In Ancient biblical times the Creator of heaven earth is the one in charge but choose men/priests to guide his people. Anytime his people break his commands and go into Idolatry which He hates, He sends other wicked nations to take them as captives and rule them with iron hands until they wake up one day and start crying out to their Creator. He only uses the wicked nations to teach them lesson and when his people wake up and seek him, He punishes those nations too and save his people. So our Creator allowed everything that happened in those times and therefore the ruler of the world (Psalm 24:1) After the war in heaven that led to the throwing down of the devil and his friends, the devil took control. Rev 12:12 vividly captured it, It says WOE TO THE INHABITANTS OF THE EARTH....for the devil is come down unto you. Since then the devil is the ruler of the world. His seeds are all over the world and control it thru science, politics, religion etc. All your religions Christianity, Islam, Judaism etc they are the hidden one who control it all but you people don't know. Rev 12: 9 says the devil was cast out into the earth and he will DECEIVE THE WHOLE WORLD. The only solution is to keep the Creator's commands and believe in the true Messiah( the Messiah who rule the world today is the fake cos you all are decieved). The true Messiah is one who brings the true salvation and in his coming shall all the wickedness of the world and the one who rules it will end. He is the rightful heir and comes to take back power and save his people who the devil came to devour and always persecute -AFRICANS (Rev 12:17) The devil rule this present world and if the true Messiah didn't come, there is no salvation cos they (the devil and his seeds) have deceived the entire world. They control everything. Just live right and wait on your salvation(the true Messiah). Very soon, it will be glaring with way things are going now. |
Re: Satan Lied When He Claimed The Kingdoms Of The World Were His by PrincessGlow: 1:31pm On May 11, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: I only told you to walk through and show me where free will comes in. You couldn't. Ok, let me walk you through. Example, choice to become a doctor, what led to it: 1) How the person's brain works, how he thinks, his mindset, the type of person he is - which he did NOT choose 2) The type of genes he has - which he did NOT choose. 3) His birth circumstances and upbringing - which he did NOT choose 4) The type of parents he had - which he did NOT choose 5) The type of people and environment he was exposed to, growing up - which he did NOT choose So you see, he appears to make a choice, when infact his choice was pre-determined by things he never chose. |
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