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mrfizy:
Good thinking.It sounds like "mild feminism" .

I guess so, but that's not what I was going for. But it depends if you think "mild feminism" is bad. I think the problem is that what we are seeing nowadays is radical feminism on social media. It is far from the idealistic meaning.

I feel feminism should focus on how females can improve on their femininity and support society and not try to be masculine or repress males which is what modern-day feminism is.

Feminism has its merits and demerits, like everything in life. For instance, those that want true patriarchy would have to force women not to work, not to go to brothels (which is partly to a man's advantage because they will want to pay for sex), abolish female education. Have you actually thought about that? Another example is that this society gives men an advantage because anybody can have sex but in a true patriarchal society, only worthy men and successful men will enjoy it. (Think of how marriages worked in the past. If you were useless and a "tramp", who would want to give their daughters to you. But now these hoes can give just about any man that sexual pleasure they desire).

What I don't support is females wanting to play in male sports teams because that is just plain lunacy, gynocentric laws, false rape case allegations, etc. True feminism does not support that and not all females out there support that.

Females should be feminine.

SOZINN:
Sounds like feminism to me. Someone originated the feminism dogma to try and "open women's eyes to the truth" about male supremacism and oppression. Initially, women propagandized for equality and egalitarianism. But as time went on it turned into something else. It became a man-hating agenda. An avenue women used to express their deep revulsion for the opposite gender. Even the laws that their cries were able to effectuate, what did they do with it?
These days we see women abort male foetus due to this same hatred. Hash tags like "killallmen" making waves on social media.
Phoney charges everywhere, nobody is willing to give an ear to the male accused.
Now even some of the founding mothers of feminism have come out to deny this present day portrayal.

I'm not trying to say we will be able to achieve half of what feminism has done for women. But I don't want us to make the same mistakes they made. But just as there are some women who are not necessarily man haters but have decided not to have anything to do with men. There are also men who carry this as a form of personal thesis. The fact that some men choose not to apply your so called "game" to reap the rewards of numerous female copulation does not make them "woman haters". Maybe some of us are more focused on our goals and are not interested in meeting women to enjoy those benefits.

Maybe if we had respect for our fellow men's decisions we would not feel the need to burn calories contradicting ourselves. Funny how we call women distractions but refer to men who avoid them as bitter.

The red pill does not indoctrinate bitterness (by the true definition). I don't want us to make the same mistakes feminists made and are still making today.
That said, know the difference between true hatred and lack of interest.
Good day.

I understand your stance, so do you believe in partriachy and do you think that it's applicable in this society?

Everything in life can be abused. In patriarchal societies, men actually physically abused men and treated them like trash. The equivalent ( I think) is this modern day feminism. There are people that will abuse patriarchy as well as feminism. Life is not fair but we should try to maximise our advantages and cut our losses. It's also applicable to politics, people will abuse democracy and still abuse monarchy/dictatorship (I hope you get the reference).

It's actually confusing if you think about it. But it's fortunate that this is a forum where we can all share ideas and opinions.

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TheDarkGamer:
I guess so, but that's not what I was going for. But it depends if you think "mild feminism" is bad. I think the problem is that what we are seeing nowadays is radical feminism on social media. It is far from the idealistic meaning.

I feel feminism should focus on how females can improve on their femininity and support society and not try to be masculine or repress males which is what modern-day feminism is.

Feminism has its merits and demerits, like everything in life. For instance, those that want true patriarchy would have to force women not to work, not to go to brothels (which is partly to a man's advantage because they will want to pay for sex), abolish female education. Have you actually thought about that? Another example is that this society gives men an advantage because anybody can have sex but in a true patriarchal society, only worthy men and successful men will enjoy it. (Think of how marriages worked in the past. If you were useless and a "tramp", who would want to give their daughters to you. But now these hoes can give just about any man that sexual pleasure they desire).

What I don't support is females wanting to play in male sports teams because that is just plain lunacy, gynocentric laws, false rape case allegations, etc. True feminism does not support that and not all females out there support that.

Females should be feminine.

Feminism is a female supremacist movement.

Patriarchy is the best system for both genders

Ogbotobo77:
Y'all should check out fresh&fit podcast on youtube

Those guys are legendary

TheDarkGamer:
I understand your stance, so do you believe in partriachy and do you think that it's applicable in this society?

I assume you are mooting traditional patriarchy, if so my answer is written in between the lines in your message.

Patriarchy is achievable, but traditional patriarchy is well nigh unfeasible in these present age.
You know why.

TheDarkGamer:
I guess so, but that's not what I was going for. But it depends if you think "mild feminism" is bad. I think the problem is that what we are seeing nowadays is radical feminism on social media. It is far from the idealistic meaning.

I feel feminism should focus on how females can improve on their femininity and support society and not try to be masculine or repress males which is what modern-day feminism is.

Feminism has its merits and demerits, like everything in life. For instance, those that want true patriarchy would have to force women not to work, not to go to brothels (which is partly to a man's advantage because they will want to pay for sex), abolish female education. Have you actually thought about that? Another example is that this society gives men an advantage because anybody can have sex but in a true patriarchal society, only worthy men and successful men will enjoy it. (Think of how marriages worked in the past. If you were useless and a "tramp", who would want to give their daughters to you. But now these hoes can give just about any man that sexual pleasure they desire).

What I don't support is females wanting to play in male sports teams because that is just plain lunacy, gynocentric laws, false rape case allegations, etc. True feminism does not support that and not all females out there support that.

Females should be feminine.

I guess Feminism is a case of paradoxical counter productivity,it's destroying the very women it claimed needed to be saved.

SOZINN:
I assume you are mooting traditional patriarchy, if so my answer is written in between the lines in your message.

Patriarchy is achievable, but traditional patriarchy is well nigh unfeasible in these present age.
You know why.

Alright. But if you care to explain at your own pace, what differentiates patriarchy from traditional patriarchy? Answer it whenever you're comfortable.

TheDarkGamer:
Thank God for some of the recent posts beginning to surface here.

I have unplugged recently and have been trying to live a 'redpilled' life. Thankfully, I still have a long way to go because I'm just 16 but that's not relevant.

I've read almost all the major books, from Rollo's Rationale Male to Sperm Wars by Robin Baker and even The Manipulated Man. I've made some mistakes in secondary school due to simping (maybe I'll talk about that in future) but I'm glad I've discovered the Redpill because now I see things differently and it's very beneficial to me.

One thing I noticed about most redpill threads and forums, especially Nigerian ones, is that when some people talk about women, they tend to take a misogynistic tone. I understand that we live in a fem-centric society and we have been socially conditioned unconsciously to behave in an un-masculine manner (simping) but we have to understand that we don't have to hate women because of that.

Women are still human beings and despite their nature and mannerisms they also have been affected by the societal state too. Handling them requires care and diplomacy because they are herd creatures and they are prepared to support each other despite the party at fault. In certain times in the past, men have been the gender with the most advantage and that favored us but now in this society, we are the disadvantaged ones. Now, I'm not going to suggest that I'm in support of this society we find ourselves in or are gradually finding ourselves in but my point is that to override this and try to create a favorable society for everyone, we need change.

When I read posts by people saying that they are traditionalists and patriarchs, I understand their point of view but personally, I don't believe that society can ever revert back to that phase in time because right now, everyone is exposed. In such times that some people talk about, the men were the pillars of society and everything revolved around them. Women believed (or were made to believe) that they were only useful in the kitchen, during sex or when they could contribute to a man's life. In other words, they were seen as inferior creatures and since the world then relied on the physicality and brute strength of men, the women were sidelined. They had to survive through their cunning and psychological prowess (Seduction comes into play, take Cleopatra for instance).

However, the world has changed vastly and now a man's success in life is not measured by strength but by intelligence which is an area that women can challenge men equally and even surpass some. Technology has leveled that plane for the genders. So, I don't think that patriarchy can truly be reincarnated, an exception may be in religious states and countries but with time, western influence will slowly corrupt their ideals. Women now KNOW that they can be a man's equal if they dedicate themselves to it (intellectually of course).

My point then is that men should not hate women and see them as inferiors, but they should try to level the plane field and make women around them see them as superiors (I hope I'm understood here). True patriarchy cannot come back to the world and the sooner we appreciate that truth, the better we can seek to improve on the areas of life we can actually control. In the 48 laws of power, Robert Greene made a statement that reform/change is something to be done gradually and not with force. If you want to change the way things are, diplomacy and subtlety should be incorporated. When I read about posts and see WhatsApp messages about men forcing the redpill on their girlfriends, I actually smile because I understand Robert Greene.

Your girlfriend, sister or any girl/woman out there will not accept your redpill truths if you shove it down their necks or forced it upon them. On the other hand, if you talk to a female and try to engage her intellectually and make her see your point. Even if she doesn't like it, she will be forced to accept that it is true. And to be honest, why should they accept it? They have been in "bondage" and have recently seen the light so they will want to embrace that "light". Another thing I feel we should all learn is looking at things from both perspectives. Don't always see things your own way, but try to see how it affects others and why they will likely reject your stance.

Take a cue from feminism, it didn't force itself on men but it slowly seeped into the societal fabrics until we were forced to accept it. I don't believe we should hate women or treat them as inferiors but we should make them believe that we are superior and accept us rather than being forced to. I also feel that we should strive to make a society where there is an equal advantage for everyone, not one where men are confined by gynocentric laws and all that( This sounds weird because I don't believe in true equalism but.... I hope I'm understood, that's all).

However, this is what I think and we are all entitled to our own thoughts.

There is no middle ground in any Society through out history since civilization began we would always have a dominant gender in a society Culture either the male(Patriachy) or the female ( gynocentrism) dominates a Culture , there is nothing like traditional Patriachy or Hard Patriachy, Patriachy is Patriachy, a male- centric Culture with limited or no female influence at all, Arab societies and African Societies are mostly Patriachal , a litmus test to check whether a society is femcentric or not is it laws , westernized societies have biased laws against men from alimony , prison time sentencing, divorce, welfarism, marriage, affirmative action,quota policies, Domestic violence, rape, Abortion,child custody (support), most African and Arab societies don't have these nonsense, sexual revolution and women rights in the 1960's has empowered women and gave them equal privileges and rights like men with regards to education, voting, working and holding political positions, but gynocentric ideologies disguised as an Egalitarianistic-Equalism social constructive legislated policies cannot debunk or override evolutionary biological realities and facts of millions of year by systematic societal re-engineering of 100yrs post-feminism , men and women are fundamentally not equal , gynocentrism is antithetical to Hypergamy, Gynocentrism wants blant slate equalism but women primal Hypergamous realities want higher , better, stronger, the internet is for men what sexual revolution is for women, globalization influence from femcentric mainstream media and secularist gynocentric online tech platforms is being neutralized by the influence of monospherianism via blogs, YouTube channels, and other online mediums especially in western societies, but tradition and religion still provides the Patriachal frame for many non-western societies that have not been exposed to the redpill

Traditionalist and Patriachs are not misogynist or oppressors seeking to control women and restrict their progress, they damn well knew that the best optimization of success in any civilization is for every gender to function in their traditional gender roles as we can see the failure and decline of western societies as a result of gynocentrism, family units are destroyed, men commiting suicide is now the norms especially in Europe

Destroy masculinity (Patriachy) and you destroy that society, gynocentrism is female supremacy disguised as equality, the gender that is the least acceptable to criticize or shame is the most dominant gender

In Africa it's Men, who are the first class citizens
In Western Societies it's women who are the first class citizens

TheDarkGamer:
Thank God for some of the recent posts beginning to surface here.

I have unplugged recently and have been trying to live a 'redpilled' life. Thankfully, I still have a long way to go because I'm just 16 but that's not relevant.

I've read almost all the major books, from Rollo's Rationale Male to Sperm Wars by Robin Baker and even The Manipulated Man. I've made some mistakes in secondary school due to simping (maybe I'll talk about that in future) but I'm glad I've discovered the Redpill because now I see things differently and it's very beneficial to me.

One thing I noticed about most redpill threads and forums, especially Nigerian ones, is that when some people talk about women, they tend to take a misogynistic tone. I understand that we live in a fem-centric society and we have been socially conditioned unconsciously to behave in an un-masculine manner (simping) but we have to understand that we don't have to hate women because of that.

Women are still human beings and despite their nature and mannerisms they also have been affected by the societal state too. Handling them requires care and diplomacy because they are herd creatures and they are prepared to support each other despite the party at fault. In certain times in the past, men have been the gender with the most advantage and that favored us but now in this society, we are the disadvantaged ones. Now, I'm not going to suggest that I'm in support of this society we find ourselves in or are gradually finding ourselves in but my point is that to override this and try to create a favorable society for everyone, we need change.

When I read posts by people saying that they are traditionalists and patriarchs, I understand their point of view but personally, I don't believe that society can ever revert back to that phase in time because right now, everyone is exposed. In such times that some people talk about, the men were the pillars of society and everything revolved around them. Women believed (or were made to believe) that they were only useful in the kitchen, during sex or when they could contribute to a man's life. In other words, they were seen as inferior creatures and since the world then relied on the physicality and brute strength of men, the women were sidelined. They had to survive through their cunning and psychological prowess (Seduction comes into play, take Cleopatra for instance).

However, the world has changed vastly and now a man's success in life is not measured by strength but by intelligence which is an area that women can challenge men equally and even surpass some. Technology has leveled that plane for the genders. So, I don't think that patriarchy can truly be reincarnated, an exception may be in religious states and countries but with time, western influence will slowly corrupt their ideals. Women now KNOW that they can be a man's equal if they dedicate themselves to it (intellectually of course).

My point then is that men should not hate women and see them as inferiors, but they should try to level the plane field and make women around them see them as superiors (I hope I'm understood here). True patriarchy cannot come back to the world and the sooner we appreciate that truth, the better we can seek to improve on the areas of life we can actually control. In the 48 laws of power, Robert Greene made a statement that reform/change is something to be done gradually and not with force. If you want to change the way things are, diplomacy and subtlety should be incorporated. When I read about posts and see WhatsApp messages about men forcing the redpill on their girlfriends, I actually smile because I understand Robert Greene.

Your girlfriend, sister or any girl/woman out there will not accept your redpill truths if you shove it down their necks or forced it upon them. On the other hand, if you talk to a female and try to engage her intellectually and make her see your point. Even if she doesn't like it, she will be forced to accept that it is true. And to be honest, why should they accept it? They have been in "bondage" and have recently seen the light so they will want to embrace that "light". Another thing I feel we should all learn is looking at things from both perspectives. Don't always see things your own way, but try to see how it affects others and why they will likely reject your stance.

Take a cue from feminism, it didn't force itself on men but it slowly seeped into the societal fabrics until we were forced to accept it. I don't believe we should hate women or treat them as inferiors but we should make them believe that we are superior and accept us rather than being forced to. I also feel that we should strive to make a society where there is an equal advantage for everyone, not one where men are confined by gynocentric laws and all that( This sounds weird because I don't believe in true equalism but.... I hope I'm understood, that's all).

However, this is what I think and we are all entitled to our own thoughts.

Women being educated only means they are taught to memorize and cram materials relevant to their specialized field, that doesn't make them our intellectual equals, never forget men are abstractive thinkers ( outside oneself) using logical reasoning and women are Solipsisitic thinkers ( within oneself) using emotive reasoning , women education didn't make them rational but rather it gave them the opportunity to learn skills and become earning equals with men in the workplace, nothing more nothing else, if women were intelligent as you presume, why is it that they have not made innovations in their fields of study but they just repeat what previous men created in those fields, women prioritize feelings over factsdue to their innate Solipsism as a result of their estrogenious hormonal realities during menstruation and ovulation , these a Biological reality that inhibits and clouds their judgement, they are not reliable for problem solving, leadership ,risk taking and making critical decisions, even women with high IQ are good at sophistry creating pseudo-rationalizations in a Machiavellian fashion to push an ideological narrative or an agenda making them seem plausible and reasonable but when held up to the standards of logic, their credibility doesn't hold up, women won't accept any factually correct argument if it goes against their feelings or sensibilities, they are not emotionally matured to handle truths like men

[quote author=JESHAL post=101808188]There is no middle ground in any Society through out history since civilization began we would always have a dominant gender in a society Culture either the male(Patriachy) or the female ( gynocentrism) dominates a Culture , there is nothing like traditional Patriachy or Hard Patriachy, Patriachy is Patriachy, a male- centric Culture with limited or no female influence at all, Arab societies and African Societies are mostly Patriachal , a litmus test to check whether a society is femcentric or not is it laws , westernized societies have biased laws against men from alimony , prison time sentencing, divorce, welfarism, marriage, affirmative action,quota policies, Domestic violence, rape, Abortion,child custody (support), most African and Arab societies don't have these nonsense, sexual revolution and women rights in the 1960's has empowered women and gave them equal privileges and rights like men with regards to education, voting, working and holding political positions, but gynocentric ideologies disguised as an Egalitarianistic-Equalism social constructive legislated policies cannot debunk or override evolutionary biological realities and facts of millions of year by systematic societal re-engineering of 100yrs post-feminism , men and women are fundamentally not equal , gynocentrism is antithetical to Hypergamy, Gynocentrism wants blant slate equalism but women primal Hypergamous realities want higher , better, stronger, the internet is for men what sexual revolution is for women, globalization influence from femcentric mainstream media and secularist gynocentric online tech platforms is being neutralized by the influence of monospherianism via blogs, YouTube channels, and other online mediums especially in western societies, but tradition and religion still provides the Patriachal frame for many non-western societies that have not been exposed to the redpill

Traditionalist and Patriachs are not misogynist or oppressors seeking to control women and restrict their progress, they damn well knew that the best optimization of success in any civilization is for every gender to function in their traditional gender roles as we can see the failure and decline of western societies as a result of gynocentrism, family units are destroyed, commiting men is now the norms especially in Europe
Destroy masculinity (Patriachy) and you destroy that society, gynocentrism is female supremacy disguised as equality, the gender that is the least acceptable to criticize or shame is the most dominant gender

In Africa it's Men, who are the first class citizens
In Western Societies it's women who are the first class citizens

Overall, I think you made a great point though.

Edit- I really don't understand how to quote individual blocks of text but I'll work on that.

JESHAL:
Women being educated only means they are taught to memorize and cram materials relevant to their specialized field, that doesn't make them our intellectual equals, never forget men are abstractive thinkers ( outside oneself) using logical reasoning and women are Solipsisitic thinkers ( within oneself) using emotive reasoning , women education didn't make them rational but rather it gave them the opportunity to learn skills and become earning equals with men in the workplace, nothing more nothing else, if women were intelligent as you presume, why is it that they have not made innovations in their fields of study but they just repeat what previous men created in those fields, women prioritize feelings over factsdue to their innate Solipsism as a result of their estrogenious hormonal realities during menstruation and ovulation , these a Biological reality that inhibits and clouds their judgement, they are not reliable for problem solving, leadership ,risk taking and making critical decisions, even women with high IQ are good at sophistry creating pseudo-rationalizations in a Machiavellian fashion to push an ideological narrative or an agenda making them seem plausible and reasonable but when held up to the standards of logic, their credibility doesn't hold up, women won't accept any factually correct argument if it goes against their feelings or sensibilities, they are not emotionally matured to handle truths like men

To be honest, I think that you're overly generalizing but a good point. I'll have to research and see if there aren't/weren't women who were smart enough to innovate and invent things to the benefit of society. ( I have a woman In mind though, Marie Curie. I think she found the elements Radium and polonium and she was one of the founders of Radiation)

TheDarkGamer:
Destroy masculinity (Patriachy) and you destroy that society, gynocentrism is female supremacy disguised as equality, the gender that is the least acceptable to criticize or shame is the most dominant gender

In Africa it's Men, who are the first class citizens
In Western Societies it's women who are the first class citizens


Overall, I think you made a great point though.

I get where you are coming from but it's a gynocentric societal shaming convention that makes Betas even Redpillers consciously or unconsciously look at the past as an oppressive patriarchal tyranny where women were chained and treated like slaves, these line of thinking is very dangerous and a strong misrepresentation of history, men and women throughout history were mostly slaves for the rich or peasants working on the plantation for the feudal Lord's or monarchs, our ancestors were both suffering and enduring life as mortality rate was very low , women usually die due to child birth , children died as a result of diseases, men died as a result of wars


For Feminist too come and tell me that it was only women who were suffering and insult my fore father's as wicked oppressive traditional tyrants, it's the height of unfairness I won't condole or accept making men as a cabal of evil patriachs seeking to dominate women and making women as victims is Nonsense I won't accept, they can't spit on my ancestors and I would watch them soil their names because of mordernism ( so called gynocentrism disguised as Egalitarianism)

mrfizy:
I guess Feminism is a case of paradoxical counter productivity,it's destroying the very women it claimed needed to be saved.

I think you mean radical, modern-day feminism but point taken.

BLOODYSPERM:
I get where you are coming from but it's a gynocentric societal shaming convention that makes Betas even Redpillers consciously or unconsciously look at the past as an oppressive patriarchal tyranny where women were chained and treated like slaves, these line of thinking is very dangerous and a strong misrepresentation of history, men and women throughout history were mostly slaves for the rich or peasants working on the plantation for the feudal Lord's or monarchs, our ancestors were both suffering and enduring life as mortality rate was very low , women usually die due to child birth , children died as a result of diseases, men died as a result of wars


For Feminist too come and tell me that it was only women who were suffering and insult my fore father's as wicked oppressive traditional tyrants, it's the height of unfairness I won't condole or accept making men as a cabal of evil patriachs seeking to dominate women and making women as victims is Nonsense I won't accept, they can't spit on my ancestors and I would watch them soil their names because of mordernism ( so called gynocentrism disguised as Egalitarianism)

Good point but I'm sorry, I didn't quote JESHAL's post well. Can someone please explain how to quote a text individually.

TheDarkGamer:
To be honest, I think that you're overly generalizing but a good point. I'll have to research and see if there aren't/weren't women who were smart enough to innovate and invent things to the benefit of society. ( I have a woman In mind though, Marie Curie. I think she found the elements Radium and polonium and she was one of the founders of Radiation)

Marie Curie is the only popular one even if it was at the influence of her father and brothers too who won Nobel science awards

JESHAL:
Women being educated only means they are taught to memorize and cram materials relevant to their specialized field, that doesn't make them our intellectual equals, never forget men are abstractive thinkers ( outside oneself) using logical reasoning and women are Solipsisitic thinkers ( within oneself) using emotive reasoning , women education didn't make them rational but rather it gave them the opportunity to learn skills and become earning equals with men in the workplace, nothing more nothing else, if women were intelligent as you presume, why is it that they have not made innovations in their fields of study but they just repeat what previous men created in those fields, women prioritize feelings over factsdue to their innate Solipsism as a result of their estrogenious hormonal realities during menstruation and ovulation , these a Biological reality that inhibits and clouds their judgement, they are not reliable for problem solving, leadership ,risk taking and making critical decisions, even women with high IQ are good at sophistry creating pseudo-rationalizations in a Machiavellian fashion to push an ideological narrative or an agenda making them seem plausible and reasonable but when held up to the standards of logic, their credibility doesn't hold up, women won't accept any factually correct argument if it goes against their feelings or sensibilities, they are not emotionally matured to handle truths like men

I don't think women are incapable of rationalization. I think they are programmed by default to act based on their emotions. A trait I see some men portray today.
As long as both creatures tote a frontal lobe, each one is capable of applying cogent contemplation. And there are women who have made ingenious alteration/innovations. But your lack of research is pardoned. Men and women's brains are structured to provide each individual with the same capacity to reason. It depends on how the individual applies it.
Their emotive reasoning is of their own making.

TheDarkGamer:
I think you mean radical, modern-day feminism but point taken.

I only accept equal opportunities but I'm against equal outcomes, even with equal opportunities I don't subscribe into the double standards of lowering criteria's for women to join male-centric field like firefighting and the the military, I'm strongly against quota policies and affirmative action to increase women's participation, I believe in competency and meritocracy, if women are not interested don't incentives them, leave them give them choice and don't rig the system to favor them

BLOODYSPERM:
I only accept equal opportunities but I'm against equal outcomes, even with equal opportunities I don't subscribe into the double standards of lowering criteria's for women to join male-centric field like firefighting and the the military, I'm strongly against quota policies and affirmative action to increase women's participation, I believe in competency and meritocracy, if women are not interested don't incentives them, leave them give them choice and don't rig the system to favor them

Exactly.

Nairalandmonika:
While u may be right I don't totally agree with u. Will you tell a son to love his abusive father, a father that almost got him blind and almost got his sister killed due to numerous beating all in the name of discipline.

A father that beats up his wife n children and u expect the children to live the father more.

See sometimes u need to think deep, there are reasons people do the things they do.

What are you saying. So mothers don't do such?

Nairalandmonika:
No all men Value the woman who was there for him from the beginning.

While some men do, I have seen real life situation of men abandoning their wife after they become rich.

He's not talking about all men, but majority. You need to be more comprehensive.

SOZINN:
I don't think women are incapable of rationalization. I think they are programmed by default to act based on their emotions. A trait I see some men portray today.
As long as both creatures tote a frontal lobe, each one is capable of applying cogent contemplation. And there are women who have made ingenious alteration/innovations. But your lack of research is pardoned. Men and women's brains are structured to provide each individual with the same capacity to reason. It depends on how the individual applies it.
Their emotive reasoning is of their own making.

Men build and continue to maintain and sustain civilization, look at the roads, bridges, oil pipelines, virtually all dangerous and risky professions are done by men from mining, engineering, bricklaying,military,fire fighting, even despised blue collar professions are done by men, see the mechanics, truck drivers, Carpenters, plumbers, etc


Women are rarely found in these professions and they would scream affirmative actions for lucrative political and economic positions and occupations , none will scream affirmative actions for any the previously listed occupations

BLOODYSPERM:
I get where you are coming from but it's a gynocentric societal shaming convention that makes Betas even Redpillers consciously or unconsciously look at the past as an oppressive patriarchal tyranny where women were chained and treated like slaves, these line of thinking is very dangerous and a strong misrepresentation of history, men and women throughout history were mostly slaves for the rich or peasants working on the plantation for the feudal Lord's or monarchs, our ancestors were both suffering and enduring life as mortality rate was very low , women usually die due to child birth , children died as a result of diseases, men died as a result of wars


For Feminist too come and tell me that it was only women who were suffering and insult my fore father's as wicked oppressive traditional tyrants, it's the height of unfairness I won't condole or accept making men as a cabal of evil patriachs seeking to dominate women and making women as victims is Nonsense I won't accept, they can't spit on my ancestors and I would watch them soil their names because of mordernism ( so called gynocentrism disguised as Egalitarianism)

Do you really expect them to talk about the oppression both genders faced in times past. No.
They had to subtract some happenings from history to support their duplicitous ambition.
If they had apprised the whole story, men would not feel the need to listen to feminism in the first place. Talk less of making gynocentric laws to save these "oppressed women".
The whole thing wasn't built solely on the truth. And just like JESHAL stated, there can't be a level ground in the society. One gender has to be above the other, feminists want to be above men. They want to be the "first class citizens".

Ade4dayo70:
Fact!

Kings, treat everybody with love and respect and you'll be seen as a god.

Hatred is a burden to your heart sef, it breeds negative vibez. Stay Positive Always!

Don't be vulnerable to compromise your core traditional values for some low value folks. Be diplomatic but principled when dealing with people.

As for me, you qualify as a living creature to benefit from my selfless service to humanity and nature.
My priority to impact the human race positively through my lifetime remain unperturbed.

Ire oo.

Who is this bayi? Stop the motivational talk and do giveaway jor

ubunja:
yes. Guys are mistaking INDIFFERENCE for Hatred. Don't hate instead deal with women as if you don't have emotions.

I like to think of women as bees. They can sting like hell but they also produce honey. You can harvest the honey safely if you learn the tricks of it. Same with women.

If women are stinging you're doing it wrong.

Nice one.

It's either we have gynocentrism or Patriachy, one must dominate over the other, no middle ground, one must control the Culture


Note; when I mean dominate the Culture I don't mean in a tyrannical manner but rather masculine order to optimize what is the best for both genders in a giving civilization, gynocentrism will inevitably lead to chaos


Equality is a big myth and has been debunked by redpill truths which we can see in western societies who claim to be using equalism and their laws even Marital institution are used to enslave men to follow the Feminine imperative which does Men no good at all

ubunja:
Every game has its rules. As long as you play the game according to the rules you're given then you have nothing to worry about. Problem is most guys here are unteachable and refuse to do as they're told. And they'll meet with the same roadblocks and headaches they've been meeting since secondary school. Go up and down this thread and see the anger and bitterness and total negativity about women. Some posts here are so negative you wonder if the poster is even interested in meeting women. It's not how it should be. If you hate women then women will hate you. And your headaches won't stop.

So, all women aren't hoes, ethically the same, and sex objects that the boys should always play or mete out pump-and-dump again; interesting. I wonder what will now happen to the multitude of impressionable and naive people (men mostly) you ignorantly and haughtily misled to believe that perfidy is the new meaning of cleverness; wickedness the new meaning of strong; haughtiness the new meaning of confidence, etc.

Anyway, the same you I have known over the years will still change your stance very soon when someone elsewhere with a mention opposite to the one you replied references you - because it's all about bravado and posturing at every given time.

This is what always happens in every area of life where one teaches something based on a copy, edit, and paste rather than from the core grasp of the subject matter. Experts will always be different from novice teachers on any same subject matter.

This isn't an attack on the red pill or any social movement anyone chooses to identify with. Of course, it doesn't disprove all of your work. Nonetheless, most of the things most of you have copied, consumed, or disseminated aren't healthy and are from mentally unfit people.

Create your life path and encrypt it, people. Servility is as bad as cruelty; avoid being any of them, but never be afraid to be good or go to war when it becomes a necessity.

Skepticus:
You should understand that some part of the red pill are not meant to go mainstream or be exposed to a lot of men. It's like placing pearls before swines. It either irritates them, confuse them as they don't know what to do with it. Understanding the nuances of sexual attraction in the modern dating scene, eliminating the trick mentality and the mastery of sexual discipline is one I've noticed that it's a bit difficult to internalize by a lot of men.

In my opinion, this thread has progressed so far making it obvious that a lot of men are getting the basic knowledge associated with the red pill. However, we still have some dudes who seem like they are hopelessly stuck in the rage stage of the red pill, perpetual male victimhood and appear comfortable with it. It's a matter of time. They will outgrow it.

say it again. The rage stage is hell. And men need to heal. But damn some guys are going over the top.

We need to moderate each other and guide ourselves from extremism that will dishonor the red pill.

RightToReject:
So, all women aren't hoes, ethically the same, and sex objects that the boys should always play or mete out /pump-and-dump again; interesting. I wonder what will now happen to the multitude of impressionable and naive people (men mostly) you ignorantly and haughtily misled to believe that perfidy is the new meaning of cleverness; wickedness the new meaning of strong; haughtiness the new meaning of confidence, etc.

Anyway, the same you I have known over the years will still change your stance very soon when someone elsewhere with a mention opposite to the one you replied references you - because it's all about bravado and posturing at every given time.

This is what always happens in every area of life where one teaches something based on a copy, edit, and paste rather than from the core grasp of the subject matter. Experts will always be different from novice teachers on any same subject matter.

This isn't an attack on the red pill or any social movement anyone chooses to identify with. Of course, it doesn't disprove all of your work. Nonetheless, most of the things most of you have copied, consumed, or disseminated aren't healthy and are from mentally unfit people.

Create your life path and encrypt it, people. Servility is as bad as cruelty; avoid being any of them, but never be afraid to be good or go to war when it becomes a necessity.

You're off topic as far as that post is concerned which you quoted.

Tip: Try reading it before responding.

SOZINN:
Sounds like feminism to me. Someone originated the feminism dogma to try and "open women's eyes to the truth" about male supremacism and oppression. Initially, women propagandized for equality and egalitarianism. But as time went on it turned into something else. It became a man-hating agenda. An avenue women used to express their deep revulsion for the opposite gender. Even the laws that their cries were able to effectuate, what did they do with it?
These days we see women abort male foetus due to this same hatred. Hash tags like "killallmen" making waves on social media.
Phoney charges everywhere, nobody is willing to give an ear to the male accused.
Now even some of the founding mothers of feminism have come out to deny this present day portrayal.

I'm not trying to say we will be able to achieve half of what feminism has done for women. But I don't want us to make the same mistakes they made. But just as there are some women who are not necessarily man haters but have decided not to have anything to do with men. There are also men who carry this as a form of personal thesis. The fact that some men choose not to apply your so called "game" to reap the rewards of numerous female copulation does not make them "woman haters". Maybe some of us are more focused on our goals and are not interested in meeting women to enjoy those benefits.

Maybe if we had respect for our fellow men's decisions we would not feel the need to burn calories contradicting ourselves. Funny how we call women distractions but refer to men who avoid them as bitter.

The red pill does not indoctrinate bitterness (by the true definition). I don't want us to make the same mistakes feminists made and are still making today.
That said, know the difference between true hatred and lack of interest.
Good day.

Thank you for this. Seconded. I agree with all you said. I'm beginning to believe some ppl are not redpillers, they could be gamers, pimps, players or whatsoever. We should all learn to respect each other's opinions. There is no way you talk about the other gender that you won't come across as bitter, especially when their true nature is revealed, and it's normal to call them out and give appropriate examples to back up each redpill points, I don't see anyone really bitter here tbh. Guys even ignore the female trolls trying to derail this thread, bitter ppl won't have that amount of patience. Some guys are patriarchal and that doesn't mean they're toxic or bitter, we can't all stand for the same thing. There is no way there wouldn't be some resentment when you realized some things society made you believe about the other gender was a lie, we should let ppl outgrow it. The way I see it, there is no way men air their opinions that ppl won't term them to be bitter or mysognistic.
And it'll be fair if they could point out the bitter comments so we can all know how to comment next time.

RightToReject:
So, all women aren't hoes, ethically the same, and sex objects that the boys should always play or mete out /pump-and-dump again; interesting. I wonder what will now happen to the multitude of impressionable and naive people (men mostly) you ignorantly and haughtily misled to believe that perfidy is the new meaning of cleverness; wickedness the new meaning of strong; haughtiness the new meaning of confidence, etc.

Anyway, the same you I have known over the years will still change your stance very soon when someone elsewhere with a mention opposite to the one you replied references you - because it's all about bravado and posturing at every given time.

This is what always happens in every area of life where one teaches something based on a copy, edit, and paste rather than from the core grasp of the subject matter. Experts will always be different from novice teachers on any same subject matter.

This isn't an attack on the red pill or any social movement anyone chooses to identify with. Of course, it doesn't disprove all of your work. Nonetheless, most of the things most of you have copied, consumed, or disseminated aren't healthy and are from mentally unfit people.

Create your life path and encrypt it, people. Servility is as bad as cruelty; avoid being any of them, but never be afraid to be good or go to war when it becomes a necessity.

Thank you. The hypocrisy...
Someone that openly said "all women are hoes'' amongst others suddenly knows some boys are bitter with their comments about women. Isn't that the peak of bitterness?. How bitter can anyone else be pls?

Rozcol:
Exactly what I've been trying to point out to them but they see me as an enemy, like I always dish it out to them here redpill will begin to make sense when they are able to separate bitterness from what it really stands for,most of your boys are filled up with so much anger and bitterness at its extreme.

The reason many guys are forever angry, I think, is because they follow relentlessly negative YouTube channels like Coach Greg Adams. Gents those men who have gone through especially bitter divorces, their brand of the Red Pill is too red it's almost black. Watch their content with care. Yes they got game and truth, but they're just too negative overall.

I would recommend guys like C Boogie, Cousin T Taw who actually like women, and even some AMS and especially the Roommates and Aba & Preach, not forgetting Kevin Samuels who is more or less the Face of the RedPill at the moment.

Otherwise some channels must not be followed for long periods of time like Sandman or Turd Flinging Monkey (if he still exists). Those are mgtow channels 100%. Just go there briefly from time to time. Otherwise you'll find yourself always angry and pissed because their anger is manifesting in you.