zero824:


PS: Lenovo ThinkPad T15g 15in | Lenovo US•10th Intel®™ i9-10885H•64GB•W10P 1TB
Cost way above 1.9m
If told has graphics issue and claimed to be sold as ordinary PC (Intel Celeron/Pentium my assumption)
Price should be ranging not more than 60k( SLAM ME I DON'T CARE)

You well so?

Only the ram alone on your spec sheet is above 60k. You know anything about laptops?


Wolf has no case here, NOTHING!!!
The only he's doing is out of his own goodwill...

SheldonCooper:

I won't say much. if I decided not to make a comment now with my account and keep quiet u will still talk. Now I decided to use a friend's account yet u still talking. 9ja ppl sha

Noted

drakeskull:


The price it was sold for has nothing to do in this case, there was a disclaimer on the laptop stating it's condition, the onus lies on the buyer to do price comparison or whatsoever. The seller can sell at any price, if e no pay buyer then you move on to the next

Agreed but I think he should be able to consider a upgrade from his buyer's at their own pocket

Anopheles:



You well so?

Only the ram alone on your spec sheet is above 60k. You know anything about laptops?


Wolf has no case here, NOTHING!!!
The only he's doing is out of his own goodwill...

Yes am well

wildchild1:


No, you're wrong.

The only way to know Chimera lock policy is to reset the phone which is Mikky's job.

Resetting is not the only way to know the Chimaera Lock Policy. It can be checked through imei sir.

This is a much better explanation. Helps throw more light at the current situation.

SheldonCooper:
Goodevening Guys this is wolfenstein, not able to post with my monika. Let me say my own side of the story cos the way it is now is as if I did wrong.


Sellers and buyers are both human . What is good for the goose is also good for the gander. Let us all look at this scenario with unbaised and "unpersonal" method.

1. Buyer was told the gpu has issues and doesnt install, that we are selling as a basic laptop that runs on intel.

2. Buyer accepted this and made payment. he received laptop and confirmed all is working.

3. He confirms that the client is okay with the laptop.
Then...

4. he came back to say client wants to run a particular software and the gpu isnt letting it.

5. I tried to resolve it in every way i can, even went online to check for solutions et all in good faith.

6. He said the software still wouldn't work with the laptop, he uninstalled graphics card, making the display becoming irregular

7. he said to me that the client doesnt want the laptop anymore.

8. i asked what to do? he said he will like to return the laptop.

9 "on what grounds will you like to return the laptop?" i asked. He replied that the client doesnt want because it is not installing Orion.

10. does it install other softwares as a basic laptop? yes. What is it with this Orion? Would i have tested all laptops with Orion to see it the system works with it?

Joeysage messaged me for a particular laptop if available on 7th May, of which I told him yes. In d ad posted on NL I described it as AMD FirePro W5170M w/2Gb GDDR5 (Not installing), he then asked me some necessary questions if I have tried to install the driver and I said yes but it's not working, that what only works is the Intel display Driver, and he said he would take it. He made payment that same day and the laptop was sent to his client the next day which was 8th May, client received and confirmed package saying all is working fine.

On 13th May, he sent me a message asking if I did drive the laptop and I told him yes I did, then I asked him Y ask. He said it's not working well, I asked him which driver isn't working well and he said the Display adapter is giving issues, then sent me an image(Image 1). I told him that the reason y d image is popping out is cos the software he tried to open is a high tasking demanding app that needs a higher display graphics driver, that it's seeing the Intel HD Display Driver but can't run the software well. I then asked him, does the laptop work well? He said yes but that when he tries to run the Orion Software the laptop hangs. He then said atleast with the kind of specification the laptop has, it's suppose to run the graphics, of which I said I guess so too but I later Google and found out that some laptops requires dedicated graphics to boot or work well.

Now for the screenshot he sent, I told him the reason y it's showing that way on the TV screen is cos his client tried forcing the AMD FirePro to work, that d only Display that will work is the Intel Display and I told him what to tell his client and d client did which made the laptop start working again.

Now the only reason his wanting a refund or a swap is cos the laptop isn't running the Orion Software of which I made it clear to him that it's only the Intel Display Driver that works even before purchase.

He was even insisting that he is trying to uninstall the AMD FirePro and I told him that if he runs dxdiag that he won't see the graphics card stated, that it has been dissabled, that it will be only the Intel driver of which he admitted, but that he may likely see it on device manager but with a yellow exclamation mark.

I told buyer that GPU doesn't work, that laptop should be used as a basic laptop.
Buyer accepted, went ahead to buy, confirmed laptop is working as it should.

Buyer's client wants to run a software called "Orion" which isn't working well on the laptop.

But i told you that the laptop's dedicated gpu is bad. Use as a basic laptop before purchase. I wouldn't know what software your client want to use. your client should have told you.

Does the laptop install basic softwares? yes , he said.

I told him that this can't be our fault , but he insisted it is ours and we are responsible for the fault. But we told you before purchase the issue with the laptop na? How this come be our fault? if I hadn't come plain to you, it is a whole different thing. I told you graphics card is bad, you want to use a software that needs graphics card.

In this business, sellers and buyers have a responsibility. It is a seller's responsibility to tell you any defect a system may have before purchase, it is the buyer's to either accept or not. We should push everything to one party always. i believe this is why the dispute thread is created.

This isn’t a place for this.


Thanks.

selfmadeOLX:
If you need a fresh picker in Lagos, I offer pickup and sorting services within Lagos then waybill, delivery to your clients intra/inter state

Been into it for 4yrs now running underground but this current regime has flushed me out to come hustle more

You agreed to buy this laptop despite knowing its current status. Didn’t you?

You can’t eat your cake and have it bro.

Joeysage:

Was it not this I was trying to ask over the phone when you had your "boss" call me? I asked specifically, if your hesitation was because of the particular software being used. And that I was going to go ahead to check other 3d software on it. Your boss still made the assertion that it won't concern him at all even at that because laptop is booting to windows. We're not talking about something not working as a result of sub par Intel hardware in this case, but that Intel cannot be used for 3d workload without trying to force use of non-functional GPU. And that is the situation here @omotolsy, wildchild1, timijoselph

Naaah. It’s always stated when you the $0.14 imei check.

It’s one of 3 things:


1.) Either the phone was “chimera-ed” after it was picked up.

2.) The DH didn’t do his due diligence

3.) Picker didn’t bother to check

But if it was a chimera phone, it’d be clearly stated during in a detailed imei check.

wildchild1:


No, you're wrong.

The only way to know Chimera lock policy is to reset the phone which is Mikky's job.

Dragnet has nothing to do with this.

He has quite and audience wey still dey buy from if you catch my drift.

wildchild1:
Dragnet, it's high time something is done about Mikkyangel attitude especially when it comes to taking responsibility for pick up issues and after sale services.

If a DH did due diligence of detailed imei check he would know if phone has been Apple blocked without wasting failed pick up fee in the first place not to talk of sending request to picker.
We learn everyday.

Confirmer:

Resetting is not the only way to know the Chimaera Lock Policy. It can be checked through imei sir.

Nicerazor:
If a DH did due diligence of detailed imei check he would know if phone has been Apple blocked without wasting failed pick up fee in the first place not to talk of sending request to picker.
We learn everyday.

this is the most likely scenario as device does not have Apple care plus on it earlier.
The matter dicey small, picker self no bother check phone up properly as well

Detailed imei check of $0.15 will detect these issues bro instead of wasting failed pick up in the first place.

Owodiran1:
factory resetting is very important boss mi. To avoid issues of mdm and factory unlocked turned worldwide unlock

Please let's not blame Chelseamann for an Apple blacklisted device.

Fine, there's a 0.15 check, even a 0.06 carrier check on ifreeicloud will show the chimera. But that's not the issue...


Chelseamann agreed a pickup fee with Mikkyangel. The pickup fee covers the transport cost and most importantly physical inspection. The picker only did the former.
A simple activation to the home screen would've shown the blacklist. Chelseamann paid him fully for this I repeat. Fully!


The whole reason for pickup is to avoid what we don't check from IMEIs and texts with the sellers. It's the reason why Offerup exists: To limit fraud.

Now why will you get fully paid (before pickup oo), you then decided on your own not to spend 5 mins checking a phone properly. A 400k+ phone unsealed, without activation??

If you're a new picker with this issue, we get to understand. But no, you aren't. In fact, you're the "Mungo Park" of the Offerup, so you're entitled to be aggressive. You're the Zuckerberg of California, so you have the right to play with people's money with no feedback.

Nairaland is a community where we all interact. He got his startup from here and still interacts with his buyers here.
If he's the Wizkid of Inglewood, congrats; but this is Nairaland. If we don't get mutual respect, then you take your business to WhatsApp or telegram.


Salud

Una grammar too much. Mikky na bastard, he deserves a wheelchair! Hispanic Hitmen plenty in CA, send the dumbo a pickup request to mess him up. Omo ale Jatijati.

It is very clear from wolfestein's account that you were in the know about the GPU being non-functional and that secondly, you failed to inform your client that the GPU was non-functional. My belief is that if you fully disclosed the state of the laptop to your client he wouldn't go ahead with the deal most likely. You acted based on assumption and it's unfortunate it worked against you. This is on you joeysage, I'll suggest you try to work something out with wolfestein in an amicable manner as he's under no obligation whatsoever to yield to your demands.

Joeysage:

Was it not this I was trying to ask over the phone when you had your "boss" call me? I asked specifically, if your hesitation was because of the particular software being used. And that I was going to go ahead to check other 3d software on it. Your boss still made the assertion that it won't concern him at all even at that because laptop is booting to windows. We're not talking about something not working as a result of sub par Intel hardware in this case, but that Intel cannot be used for 3d workload without trying to force use of non-functional GPU. And that is the situation here @omotolsy, wildchild1, timijoselph

APT!!

onyizee07:
It is very clear from wolfestein's account that you were in the know about the GPU being non-functional and that secondly, you failed to inform your client that the GPU was non-functional. My belief is that if you fully disclosed the state of the laptop to your client he wouldn't go ahead with the deal most likely. You acted based on assumption and it's unfortunate it worked against you. This is on you joeysage, I'll suggest you try to work something out with wolfestein in an amicable manner as he's under no obligation whatsoever to yield to your demands.

RESCINDED

Kreamie:
Wolfstein.


Kindly refund this man. We all know how this thing works except you want to be be difficult. It’s barely a week. Laptop isn’t working as expected.

Just refund and save us all the stress of going back and forth.

If only mikky would respond to this issue here then a solution can be reached. If past actions is any indication of future behaviour then we are sure dude wouldn't respond. He hides under the guise of that disclaimer to evade responsibilty and its high time Dragnet does the needful and that is ban the guy.

Anopheles:
Please let's not blame Chelseamann for an Apple blacklisted device.

Fine, there's a 0.15 check, even a 0.06 carrier check on ifreeicloud will show the chimera. But that's not the issue...


Chelseamann agreed a pickup fee with Mikkyangel. The pickup fee covers the transport cost and most importantly physical inspection. The picker only did the former.
A simple activation to the home screen would've shown the blacklist. Chelseamann paid him fully for this I repeat. Fully!


The whole reason for pickup is to avoid what we don't check from IMEIs and texts with the sellers. It's the reason why Offerup exists: To limit fraud.

Now why will you get fully paid (before pickup oo), you then decided on your own not to spend 5 mins checking a phone properly. A 400k+ phone unsealed, without activation??

If you're a new picker with this issue, we get to understand. But no, you aren't. In fact, you're the "Mungo Park" of the Offerup, so you're entitled to be aggressive. You're the Zuckerberg of California, so you have the right to play with people's money with no feedback.

Nairaland is a community where we all interact. He got his startup from here and still interacts with his buyers here.
If he's the Wizkid of Inglewood, congrats; but this is Nairaland. If we don't get mutual respect, then you take your business to WhatsApp or telegram.


Salud

Anopheles:
Please let's not blame Chelseamann for an Apple blacklisted device.

Fine, there's a 0.15 check, even a 0.06 carrier check on ifreeicloud will show the chimera. But that's not the issue...


Chelseamann agreed a pickup fee with Mikkyangel. The pickup fee covers the transport cost and most importantly physical inspection. The picker only did the former.
A simple activation to the home screen would've shown the blacklist. Chelseamann paid him fully for this I repeat. Fully!


The whole reason for pickup is to avoid what we don't check from IMEIs and texts with the sellers. It's the reason why Offerup exists: To limit fraud.

Now why will you get fully paid (before pickup oo), you then decided on your own not to spend 5 mins checking a phone properly. A 400k+ phone unsealed, without activation??

If you're a new picker with this issue, we get to understand. But no, you aren't. In fact, you're the "Mungo Park" of the Offerup, so you're entitled to be aggressive. You're the Zuckerberg of California, so you have the right to play with people's money with no feedback.

Nairaland is a community where we all interact. He got his startup from here and still interacts with his buyers here.
If he's the Wizkid of Inglewood, congrats; but this is Nairaland. If we don't get mutual respect, then you take your business to WhatsApp or telegram.


Salud

I learnt the hard way before I pack my load and move.

What we're doing here is a mutual transaction which should involve all party (picker, deal hunter, middle man & end user) respecting each other.

I can't send you money for pick up, you pick rubbish for me, I come to you about it and you end up sounding like you're doing me a favour.

If mikky can't respect his business partners mutually and find solutions to his Bleep ups, then he should go and do his business elsewhere and those that want to still transact with him outside nairaland can do that at their own risk.

Anopheles:
Please let's not blame Chelseamann for an Apple blacklisted device.

Fine, there's a 0.15 check, even a 0.06 carrier check on ifreeicloud will show the chimera. But that's not the issue...


Chelseamann agreed a pickup fee with Mikkyangel. The pickup fee covers the transport cost and most importantly physical inspection. The picker only did the former.
A simple activation to the home screen would've shown the blacklist. Chelseamann paid him fully for this I repeat. Fully!


The whole reason for pickup is to avoid what we don't check from IMEIs and texts with the sellers. It's the reason why Offerup exists: To limit fraud.

Now why will you get fully paid (before pickup oo), you then decided on your own not to spend 5 mins checking a phone properly. A 400k+ phone unsealed, without activation??

If you're a new picker with this issue, we get to understand. But no, you aren't. In fact, you're the "Mungo Park" of the Offerup, so you're entitled to be aggressive. You're the Zuckerberg of California, so you have the right to play with people's money with no feedback.

Nairaland is a community where we all interact. He got his startup from here and still interacts with his buyers here.
If he's the Wizkid of Inglewood, congrats; but this is Nairaland. If we don't get mutual respect, then you take your business to WhatsApp or telegram.


Salud

0.6 won't show it

Kreamie:
Dragnet has nothing to do with this.

He has quite and audience wey still dey buy from if you catch my drift.

Yes, i get your drift. Like we always tell people, we can only give advice and suggestions here, we cant enforce them. Dragnet has the power to an extent to ban monikers and hide threads for erring people. The evil Mikky has done to people here cannot be overemphasized, he almost sent my oga Twinskenny to the village in 2018. I remember when idboyostic used to say he will forever lick Mikky's ass nobody tell am before he pack go meet another picker

Dragnet is needed here, i remember the case of inspiredautos in the auto section, na that untouchable attitude finish am for NL.

Chelseamann, has mikky reached out to you?

Donbigi2:

0.6 won't show it

It does...

I do the 0.9 and 0.6 all the time and I've seen it on the 0.6

Modified: See attached of same phone from Chelseamann

Anopheles:



It does...

I do the 0.9 and 0.6 all the time and I've seen it on the 0.6

Modified: See attached of same phone from Chelseamann

Noo

Kreamie:
This isn’t a place for this.


Thanks.

Thanks

Purpose achieved

wildchild1:


Yes, i get your drift. Like we always tell people, we can only give advice and suggestions here, we cant enforce them. Dragnet has the power to an extent to ban monikers and hide threads for erring people. The evil Mikky has done to people here cannot be overemphasized, he almost sent my oga Twinskenny to the village in 2018. I remember when idboyostic used to say he will forever lick Mikky's ass nobody tell am before he pack go meet another picker

Dragnet is needed here, i remember the case of inspiredautos in the auto section, na that untouchable attitude finish am for NL.

Chelseamann, has mikky reached out to you?

Nah! Mikkyangel and I got no bad blood, infact I still buys from him once in a while and we got no issues till date....I only left to test other ground and if time reach to come back LA fully....You go see me.

He has his terms and conditions, if you watch his whatsapp stories you will always notice he hammer alot of Terms & Conditions over and over.

One of the terms and conditions is "always tell your seller to set every thing up before I get to the location because if it's a black dominated area he won't have much time to check or whatsoever for his safety "

He also do say "if it's area with no wifi, I might not be able to check things up probably and all" etc

So many caveat brother.....so, it's your choice if you choose to deal with him or not and Like you said above "we can only throw advise and suggestions but we can't enforce them" So, why can't people applied this with Mikky? Is it by force to deal with him? Dealing with him means you buy into his T&C and if their is any issue then so be it.

And remember, you haven't heard from him.....so, it will be better to hear from him before judging.

Every man has its way of doing things....you can't tell a man how to run his business, is either you choose to stay with him or bid him goodbye.

E be like say I see your name for him status recently

@Wildchild1,

just like the issue before this between @Wolfenstein & Joeysage....left to me, is no case because @wolfenstein already gave his caveat before the purchase and so automatically he has no case to answer. I no Sabi much about Gaming Laptop if not I for Dan shook mouth since.

If you remember the case between Chisom and I, I added the caveat "AS IS".....if you no Sabi the meaning, you ask.....don't be in rush just to make profit.

Newbies needs to know business goes more than "I just want to make profits "

wildchild1:

I remember when idboyostic used to say he will forever lick Mikky's ass

Idboyostic:
Nah! Mikkyangel and I got no bad blood, infact I still buys from him once in a while and we got no issues till date....I only left to test other ground and if time reach to come back LA fully....You go see me.

He has his terms and conditions, if you watch his whatsapp stories you will always notice he hammer alot of Terms & Conditions over and over.

One of the terms and conditions is "always tell your seller to set every thing up before I get to the location because if it's a black dominated area he won't have much time to check or whatsoever for his safety "

He also do say "if it's area with no wifi, I might not be able to check things up probably and all" etc

So many caveat brother.....so, it's your choice if you choose to deal with him or not and Like you said above "we can only throw advise and suggestions but we can't enforce them" So, why can't people applied this with Mikky? Is it by force to deal with him? Dealing with him means you buy into his T&C and if their is any issue then so be it.

And remember, you haven't heard from him.....so, it will be better to hear from him before judging.

Every man has its way of doing things....you can't tell a man how to run his business, is either you choose to stay with him or bid him goodbye.

E be like say I see your name for him status recently

As expected.

LearnWisdom:




As expected.

I don't have anything to say to you because the only thing you have said so far it's hearsay "I heard" get your facts together and in all your getting "GET WISDOM"

Good day house, save this number on your phone 08080391273. He tried to jump me today with an item.

Was just playing all sort of tricks when we agreed to meet, showing me ATM card saying he’ll pay when I follow him home.

Baba no know say I sharp pass him

After I caught his scope, he proceeded to block me on WhatsApp

I just ran a nairaland search with his line but it’s not associated with any moniker

Name is Romeo
Location is around NNPC EJIGBO area
Do not do business with him

.

wildchild1:


Yes, i get your drift. Like we always tell people, we can only give advice and suggestions here, we cant enforce them. Dragnet has the power to an extent to ban monikers and hide threads for erring people. The evil Mikky has done to people here cannot be overemphasized, he almost sent my oga Twinskenny to the village in 2018. I remember when idboyostic used to say he will forever lick Mikky's ass nobody tell am before he pack go meet another picker

Dragnet is needed here, i remember the case of inspiredautos in the auto section, na that untouchable attitude finish am for NL.

Chelseamann, has mikky reached out to you?

not to rain on your parade.this is business and if someone is sending pick up of such amount,it is expected he do his due diligence,which is not even up to a dollar.the buyer bears the major blame here.