edi287:

Ndidi is easily top 5 DM in football today. It wouldn't be far fetched to say he's top 3 too.

Then , let him replicate that status with Super Eagles...shebi na world class. A highly rate "top 3 DM" should be able to make a major impact in any team he plays for.

andrewbaba44:


I might call the player world class .

His performance after that season will also depends

edi287:

Yep i.e high level performances(doesn't have to be only goals).
Kane is a perfect example too.

And lads comparing please compare Vardy (2018-19) to Nicholas Pepe at Lille (2018-19). Both were in top 5 leagues according to your standards.

Pepe 22/13
Vardy 18/20

Was Pepe world class too?

Beloved3:




Alright lads, so how come Vardy is world class by your definition?
His goals over the past five years in the premier League are 13/23/18/20/13.

He couldn't keep up with 20+ goals in two consecutive seasons (Based on your own standards for world class).

What are your excuses for him?

23 18 and 20 is 20 for 3 seasons

No matter how hard you try to paint it vardy is world class

Wetin confirm me and pepe ?

You are making this arguement look childish

Pepe is not even a striker ,Pepe and the name world class should not be on same sentence

Beloved3:




Alright lads, so how come Vardy is world class by your definition?
His goals over the past five years in the premier League are 13/23/18/20/13.

He couldn't keep up with 20+ goals in two consecutive seasons (Based on your own standards for world class).

What are your excuses for him?

I did say it doesn't have to be viewed from goals only. Vardy has been mostly consistent at Leicester. I'd wouldn't say he's world class but he's very close to being one.

Beloved3:




And lads comparing please compare Vardy (2018-19) to Nicholas Pepe at Lille (2018-19). Both were in top 5 leagues according to your standards.

Pepe 22/13
Vardy 18/20

Was Pepe world class too?

Pepe is yet to transfer his Ligue un form to the epl and had just one breakout season(and a reasonable end to the season before that).

What exactly is your argument?

andrewbaba44:


Some people Dey start Wetin we no fit finish

Suarez champions league record is not even good so he is not world class

Watch as the guy will run away from this simple talk

Concerning Suarez, I have answered that here. Please see below;

@forgiveness, check my metrics/standard for a world class player in my earlier posts if you can.

Beloved3:


His best seasons were within 2014 to 2017.

He scored 18 goals combined in the champions League at that period. His stats in the local league and cup games were also up to standard during that period.

Those were his best times and he was clearly world class then but not any longer. Sorry he dropped off the scale.

Does that make any sense now?

Omanambala:


Then , let him replicate that status with Super Eagles...shebi na world class. A highly rate "top 3 DM" should be able to make a major impact in any team he plays for.

He is yet to translate that to the national team but it still doesn't change the fact that he's a world class DM.

edi287:

Pepe is yet to transfer his Ligue un form to the epl and had just one breakout season(and a reasonable end to the season before that).

What exactly is your argument?

Yep, correct. But was he world class in those two seasons at Lille based on your metrics for measuring Vardy?

Omanambala:


He is not irreplaceable because he is so great , but because you dont have anybody else readily available to fill that spot.

Why did Rohr invited the U17 lad and Mikel Agu but started a defender in that position ?

Does he respect our home grown players ?

Why is Nwakali still missing in the invited list when we are in desperate need of an AM ?

I doubt Rohr respect our home grown talents. He just put up with them because he has no choice.

You are stuck with Ndidi because Rohr made it like that not because in the over 180 million population of Nigeria we can't find a better player.

currently Wilfred Ndidi is out best defensive midfielder no argument. I still cannot find any replace for him when he gets injured bro . His far better than those home base eagles players that cannot qualify for chan

Omanambala:


But , the problem with that is we don't have a Tielemans in SE to[b] progress play ,[/b] and unlike Oliseh , Ndidi doesn't possess that extra creative instincts to attack, from deep. That's why I have consistently clamored for the inclusion of a pure AM/DLP like Nwakali. Thats my whole point.

Joe aribo?? Iwobi?

Omanambala:


But , the problem with that is we don't have a Tielemans in SE to progress play and unlike Oliseh , Ndidi doesn't possess that extra creative instincts to attack, from deep. That's why I have consistently clamored for the inclusion of a pure AM/DLP like Nwakali. Thats my whole point.

Joe aribo?? Iwobi?

Beloved3:


Yep, correct. But was he world class in those two seasons at Lille based on your metrics for measuring Vardy?

No he wasn't. His last season with Lille is the only world class season he's had in his career.

edi287:

I did say it doesn't have to be viewed from goals only. Vardy has been mostly consistent at Leicester. I'd wouldn't say he's world class but he's very close to being one.

Good. So according to you Vardy is NOT world class. That was what I wanted to point out. Thanks.

andrewbaba44:


23 18 and 20 is 20 for 3 seasons

No matter how hard you try to paint it vardy is world class

Wetin confirm me and pepe ?

You are making this arguement look childish

Pepe is not even a striker ,Pepe and the name world class should not be on same sentence

edi287 has now seen the light. Na only you remain, let's fire on till you yourself see the light.

My point is this, you said anyone who can sustain 20+ goals in two seasons in any of the top leagues is world class.

Good.

All I'm asking now is a question;

In 2018 - 2019 (2 seasons) here are Vardy and Pepe's stats;

Pepe 22/13
Vardy 18/20

If these stats make Vardy world class, would you tag Pepe as world class too?

It's just an honest question that needs a straight answer.

edi287:

Well you don't necessarily need a Tielemans if you have good attacking full backs or even ball playing CB.

Ndidi's ball playing skills aren't as bad as you make it. It would be madness to say we drop our most consistent player because he's not peak xavi or pirlo on the ball.
We need the security he brings when he's playing.

It all depends in your formation, tactics and abilities of your players. But , if you must play Ndidi then you need a playmaker to assist him , otherwise your midfield will become toothless....like Ndidi-Aribo combination.

Omanambala:


It all depends in your formation, tactics and abilities of your players. But , if you must play Ndidi then you need a playmaker to assist him , otherwise your midfield will become toothless....like Ndidi-Aribo combination.

There's nothing wrong with that pivot on paper. Aribo is good at driving to the opposition's box with or without the ball.

edi287:

No he wasn't. His last season with Lille is the only world class season he's had in his career.

Good. According to Andrew's standard he is world class

I pasted a standard metric here at noon. In that metric Vardy didn't make it but Harry Kane did.

Andrew apparently likes Vardy but gradually I am showing him that his dear Vardy really isn't world class based on the same metrics you use for the likes of Kane, Neymar,Mbappe, Messi, C Ronaldo etc.

Andrew hence is fuming.

nairalandankrah:

Joe aribo?? Iwobi?

Joe Aribo is not creative. Iwobi has proven he can't play that role as we have seen many times. The responsibility of that role is above his abilities. He tires out and loses concentration.

Idenna walks in and it is Ndidi shade and rants every single time. It's getting stale

Beloved3:


Good. So according to you Vardy is NOT world class. That was what I wanted to point out. Thanks.



edi287 has now seen the light. Na only you remain, let's fire on till you yourself see the light.

My point is this, you said anyone who can sustain 20+ goals in two seasons in any of the top leagues is world class.

Good.

All I'm asking now is a question;

In 2018 - 2019 (2 seasons) here are Vardy and Pepe's stats;

Pepe 22/13
Vardy 18/20

If these stats make Vardy world class, would you tag Pepe as world class too?

It's just an honest question that needs a straight answer.

Where did I say Vardy was world class?

edi287:

There's nothing wrong with that pivot on paper. Aribo is good at driving to the opposition's box with or without the ball.

In our last 3 or 4 matches Aribo has been below average. So, lets not go there...he is very athletic but only time will tell and I can see the signs.

Omanambala:


In our last 3 or 4 matches Aribo has been below average. So, lets not go there...he is very athletic but only time will tell and I can see the signs.

There's a difference with not transferring club form to country and what you're saying.
Joe Aribo has the attributes. That much is certain. He started well and fizzled out a bit but he has it in him to get back in form.

edi287:

Where did I say Vardy was world class?

My bad then. I thought you were on Andrew's side of the argument regarding Vardy.

forgiveness:


Then Suarez is certainly a world class player.

Was Gyan World class??

Damioduso1:
currently Wilfred Ndidi is out best defensive midfielder no argument. I still cannot find any replace for him when he gets injured bro . His far better than those home base eagles players that cannot qualify for chan

Or we can groom the U17 lad if Mikel Agu or Zuby aren't available. Depending on Ndidi , your "world class" player to carry that team is exercise in futility, but , again time will answer these questions.

This arguments of who is world class is subjective and is prone to prejudice.

We are comparing strikers with DM, defenders.

If you must say that Ndidi is not world class, then you have to mention 10 DMs that are better than him currently. Otherwise, any player that is top 10 in his position is world class. Paul Onuachu is world class in my opinion. The stats are there to proof it. Any other metrics is bullshit.

edi287:

There's a difference with not transferring club form to country and what you're saying.
Joe Aribo has the attributes. That much is certain. He started well and fizzled out a bit but he has it in him to get back in form.

Good , then. However, I am not writing him off, but if I am going to field an English man then he must be better than what we have. I am not easily moved by these English boys who are spoiled with privilege of playing for decent clubs even when I know they aren't better than my home grown talents.

mank1234:
This arguments of who is world class is subjective and is prone to prejudice.

We are comparing strikers with DM, defenders.

If you must say that Ndidi is not world class, then you have to mention 10 DMs that are better than him currently. Otherwise, any player that is top 10 in his position is world class. Paul Onuachu is world class in my opinion. The stats are there to proof it. Any other metrics is bullshit.

I don't know why I burst out laughing when I read the bolded.

Beloved3:


I don't know why I burst out laughing when I read the bolded.

Even I laugh to myself. But seeing all metrics on determining who is world class, I'm even more confused now. Bring on your own metrics

mank1234:


Even I laugh to myself. But seeing all metrics on determining who is world class, I'm even more confused now. Bring on your own metrics

Here it is below. It was one of my earliest posts on this thread.

Beloved3:


MY STANDARD/METRIC FOR A WORLD CLASS PLAYER

For me, a world class player is one that is able to sustain brilliant performance and numbers at the highest career stages i.e World cup, Champions league etc.

So once a player has had big numbers consistently in the local league, cup games (and world cup of applicable), and has had great numbers in the champions League as well for at least three seasons, he is world class!

Typical example for an attacker (bar long term injuries);

Local league games for the past three seasons =
Must have scored atleast 20 goals in each season

and

Champions League appearance for the past three seasons =
Must have scored atleast 20 goals (or close) combined in all three seasons.

And

Cup games (and world cup if applicable) during the past three seasons =
Must have scored atleast 20 goals combined in all three season.


Based in these standard, Jamie Vardy isn't world class!

Mbappe is world class!
Mbappe stats in the past three season;

Ligue1 = Has scored over 20 close or close to that in each of the past 3 season.
Check

Champions League = has scored close to 20 goals combined in the past 3 seasons
Check.

Cup games and world cup = scored close to 20 goals combined
Check.

Result = World class!


The above stat is a reference just for strikers.
Midfielders, defenders goal keepers have their separate reference stats for categorising a player as world class.

I really do not have the time to write up the reference stats for midfielders, defenders etc.

But really, we here need to have our own definition of a world class player as this has been a widely used term without clear definition.

I just threw a first stab at it and mine can be used as a preliminary.

We should make the definition, modify it, agree and sticky it somewhere as a standard. So when next anyone will call a player world class he can first consult on our standard

P.S. Ndidi would have to feature consistently in the big games and do what he does best in the world stage before he can be confirmed as world class. For now he isn't.

Omanambala:


Good , then. However, I am not writing him off, but if I am going to field an English man then he must be better than what we have. I am not easily moved by these English boys who are spoiled with privilege of playing for decent clubs even when I know they aren't better than my home grown talents.

Do you have something against foreign born players or something??

How can you say Aribo, a guy who worked his way from isthamian league(sort of a semi professional league) to Charlton(after a successful trial btw) to Rangers as being "spoilt" and privileged?? Do you know how hard he's worked to get where is? Do you know how many English born players we have in the English lower leagues??

How you can dismiss the guy's ability just because he's "foreign born"?

Beloved3:


His best seasons were within 2014 to 2017.

He scored 18 goals combined in the champions League at that period. His stats in the local league and cup games were also up to standard during that period.

Those were his best times and he was clearly world class then but not any longer. Sorry he dropped off the scale.

Does that make any sense now?

name 5 CF better than Suarez (please don't mention the big 2)

Omanambala:


Azubike is a natural DM , who can play CM and even AM with all the combative feature. Its quite sad that he has been unlucky but we have some young bloods coming up.

Zuby will hold the ball and operate the midfield seamlessly. That's a talented player , right there. Not taking anything away from Ndidi but he doesn't have that "thing" inherent in a natural born midfielders.

Genuine question, when was the last time you watched Azu play football?