@Bernimoore,
How convenient? You initially picked the whole of Zikky's post and told him to re-echo it then you modified it to say that you were only referring to the fact that Jews were the only ones to tithe.
Yet you went on arguing that all the others; Mercy, Faith & Justice were the 'under the law' type.

BERNIMOORE:

[b]@ Ssnowwy,

AND I STILL CONTINUE TO STAND BY WHAT I SAID;( mercy, faith and justice) ARE STILL UNDER THE LAW. WHEN JESUS RENDERED THAT STATEMENT IN MAT 23:23.

MAYBE YOU CAN UNDERSTAND IT THIS WAY, WHEN THE PHARISEE CAME TO REPORT THE DISCIPLES TO JESUS FOR ''NOT WASHING THEIR HANDS'' AS STATED UNDER THE LAW, WHAT DID JESUS SAID?

Matthew 15:17-20

17 Do you not yet understand that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and is eliminated? 18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and they defile a man. 19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies. 20 These are the things which defile a man,
but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man.”

MY POINT IS THAT, JESUS EXPOSED THE FALASIES OF THE LAW COVENANT. AND WHAT HE CAME TO ADRESS.

Giving of what? TITHE, CAR, CASH,CHEQUES? IT ENTAILES GIVING FROM THE FRUIT OF THE SPIRIT NAMED: KINDNESS; WHICH INCLUDES GIVING TO THE POOR DIRECTLY, ASSISTING THE GOSPEL BY FREE GIVING NOT UNTIL IT HURTS, AND NOT ACCORDING TOTHE LAW, BUT GENEROUSLY. AMONG OTHER THINGS;

2 COR 9:
9 As it is written:

“He has dispersed abroad,
He has given to the poor;
His righteousness endures forever.”

MAYBE I SHOULD HELP YOU[/b]

'AND I STILL CONTINUE TO STAND BY WHAT I SAID;( mercy, faith and justice) ARE STILL UNDER THE LAW. WHEN JESUS RENDERED THAT STATEMENT IN MAT 23:23.

MAYBE YOU CAN UNDERSTAND IT THIS WAY, WHEN THE PHARISEE CAME TO REPORT THE DISCIPLES TO JESUS FOR ''NOT WASHING THEIR HANDS'' AS STATED UNDER THE LAW, WHAT DID JESUS SAID?

Matthew 15:17-20

17 Do you not yet understand that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and is eliminated? 18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and they defile a man. 19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies. 20 These are the things which defile a man,
but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man. MY POINT IS THAT, JESUS EXPOSED THE FALASIES OF THE LAW COVENANT. AND WHAT HE CAME TO ADRESS.
”'

So you admit that Jesus was exposing the fallacies of the law convenant yet he did not expose the 'fallacy of tithe'. On the contrary, he told them not to neglect tithing. He told them to have mercy, faith and justice and NOT neglect tithing.
Since He came to expose the fallacies of the law convenant, why didn't he say to the Pharisees 'why don't you give to the poor and love God and quit this fallacy of tithing, is that what I require of you?'

Do you understand how it seems like you are talking from both sides of your mouth?


'Giving of what? TITHE, CAR, CASH,CHEQUES? IT ENTAILES GIVING FROM THE FRUIT OF THE SPIRIT NAMED: KINDNESS; WHICH INCLUDES GIVING TO THE POOR DIRECTLY, ASSISTING THE GOSPEL BY FREE GIVING NOT UNTIL IT HURTS, AND NOT ACCORDING TOTHE LAW, BUT GENEROUSLY. AMONG OTHER THINGS;'

You are meant to sow/give from the fruit of the spirit of love and kindness as you affirmed. The scripture said gather your 'bounty'. It can be anything, I wonder why you say 'free giving not until it hurts'. The early christians sold their all, lands, property and brought to the apostles feet (to be shared to all in need) with joy. Do you think that was not 'sacrificial?' They sold to give.
Have you sold all your land and property to give people in need before? When you do, you will know that is a sacrifice. So you think a sacrifice is easy?

If just supporting the church with a tenth of your earnings is equated to 'giving till it hurts', it explains now why you are vehemently against tithing. Yet you say 'it does not take me anything to pay tithe'. Yet Jesus said those that preach the gospel should live of the gospel just like in the OT.

BERNIMOORE:

IT DOESNT TAKE ANYTHING FOR ME TO PAY TITHE,BUT I WILL RATHER GIVE THE MONEY DIRECTLY TO HELP THE LESS PRIVILEDGE. AND NOT TO PROMOTE A VIRUS SCAM CALLED TITHE

Zikkyy:

Which is important to the Christian? What came before the law or what came after the law?

Was Christ saying some Universal laws should be upheld or was he saying the requirement of the Mosaic law be upheld? You forget that these laws also applies to pagan worshippers. We should not be discussing universal laws here. Lets restrict ourselves to what Christ was talking about or refering to.

He added do not neglect the Levitical tithing. Jesus was not talking about the tithe rendered by Abraham.

I told you in my last post, you can give a tenth of your income to your church. Am sure God will accept any giving ranging from 0.1% to 100% (10% inclusive) if given with a sincere heart. The distinction am making is that your tenth is not a command from God. The percentage to give varies from one to another. The only tenth that was mandatory was the Levitical tithe and it is not applicable to Christians. There is no evidence that tithe was commanded by God prior to the Law. Abrahams tithe was either by choice or customary requirement. Jacob offered to tithe, God did not command.

Jesus said the Levitical tithe should not be neglected. Why is that difficult for you to understand? Jesus was not refering to a universal practice. To go this route is to imply that Jesus supported the babylonians tithe to their Sun god.

Tithing was valid, but was it a command for Christians? the answer is NO. The practice today varies as well. The tithe paid by Snowwy can only be defined by Snowwy, it has nothing to do with what Christ recommended.

So what am i saying here? Tithe as practiced today is based on how we define it and has no correlation with biblical practices, so stop trying to justify it using events recorded in the bible.

@Zikky, even pagan cultures give amongst themselves so you do not have a point in that regard. It is obvious I am talking based on the bible.
You affirmed that mercy, faith and justice was not restricted to the Levites and is practiced by Christians, yet you relegate tithe to the Levitical priesthood even when tithing was done by our Father of Faith, Abraham to Melcizedek, the High Priest:

Hebrews 7:3
3Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

Hebrews 7:17
17For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

Jesus told the Pharisees not to neglect tithing (did Christ just say it for the fun of it or was not the tithe used to support the Levites so they can focus on God's work?)and the Priesthood changed to that of Jesus after his death.


You said the apostles continued to talk about mercy, faith and Justice after the death of Christ and yet Paul said in 1 Corinthians 9:4, 6-14


4Have we not power to eat and to drink?
6Or I only and Barnabas, have not we power to forbear working?
7Who goeth a warfare any time at his own charges? who planteth a vineyard, and eateth not of the fruit thereof? or who feedeth a flock, and eateth not of the milk of the flock?
8[b]Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also?  [/b]
9For it is written in the law of Moses, thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?
10[b]Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt,[/b] this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.
11[b]If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things? [/b]
12[b]If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? [/b] Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the gospel of Christ
13[b]Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?[/b]
14[b]Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.[/b]'

Note all the bolded. Why would Paul quote from the OT to a Gentile church especially regarding supporting they of the gospel?
I have asked what is the 'power over you' he talked about and their right to food and drink. The food and drink, ofcourse, at the expense of the flock.
If the Lord ordained this, why would Paul even be talking about it in the first place?

It was because of people 'examining him', men like a lot of people today who are against giving to support those that work full-time in the gospel, that was why he supported himself. Paul preferred to boast in the Lord. It did not make it wrong.

It is, therefore, very funny when you say tithing of today was not recommended by Christ or has no biblical correlation. However, that is your (man's)opinion not God's.

@Snowwy,

You still don't get it after all this.

In Matthew 23:23 Jesus said they ought to PAY the Levitical tithe (we know he was referring to the Levitical tithe because it was the only tithe they paid, and he referred to matters of the law.)

So now here we are.  No Levitical priesthood.  If you feel you want to continue the tithe that Jesus said THEY ought to do, then give a tenth of your crops and animals.  What Jesus said was they ought to follow the tithing laws which were limited to GOD'S INCREASE of crops and animals, not man's income.  Jesus didn't refer to any other tithing practice or laws.

Giving a tenth of your income to the church has absolutely NOTHING to do with any Biblical tithing.  It has everything to do with just plain giving, and should be referred to as giving, not tithing.

You want to skip around from God's tithing commands to Abram's one-time giving of a tenth trying to justify what you are doing is Biblical.  Well, giving is definitely Biblical and appropriate for today.  Tithing is also Biblical, but NOT on income.  To be Biblical, it must be in the Bible.  Otherwise, if I take a "tithe" of dog poop to the church and say that I am tithing, that also would be Biblical.  But it is NOT Biblical. You can't just make up what the tenth is on and say it is Biblical.

Zikkyy:
. . . . .  The practice today varies as well. The tithe paid by Snowwy can only be defined by Snowwy, it has nothing to do with what Christ recommended. . . . . .

Now this is an interesting point; see the confusion:

- Joagbaje says tithing today is based on Abraham ("spiritual principle"; that means it is not compulsory. 

- Oyakhilome says those not tithing are robbing God; that means it IS compulsory! 

- Snowwy says Jesus made tithing valid; is it the compulsory one or the non-compulsory one?

@Snnowy

4Have we not power to eat and to drink?
6Or I only and Barnabas, have not we power to forbear working?
7Who goeth a warfare any time at his own charges? who planteth a vineyard, and eateth not of the fruit thereof? or who feedeth a flock, and eateth not of the milk of the flock?
8Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also?
9For it is written in the law of Moses, thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?
10Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.
11If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?
12If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the gospel of Christ
13Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
14Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.'

Snowwy quote;

If the Lord ordained this, why would Paul even be talking about it in the first place?

It was because of people 'examining him', men like a lot of people today who are against giving to support those that work full-time in the gospel, that was why he supported himself. Paul preferred to boast in the Lord. It did not make it wrong.




MAY I USE THE WORD NOW, THAT YOU 'L I E D' ABOUT PAUL ABOVE (in blue). YOU MANUFACTURED A REASON 'WHY PAUL WAS TALKING ABOUT 'THE QUOTE'.WITHOUT SHOWING ANY BIBLE VERSE IN THE CORINTHIANS TO BUTRESS THAT 'CERTAIN PEOPLE ARE EXAMINING HIM'

IF YOU ARE SURE OF IT THAT IT WAS BECAUSE SOMEONE IS EXAMINING HIM, SHOW US IN THE BIBLE WHO THEY ARE STRAIGHT AWAY. IM WAITING,DONT DODGE THIS IF YOU EVER WANT ANYBODY TO TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY.

BERNIMOORE:

@Snnowy



Snowwy quote;

If the Lord ordained this, why would Paul even be talking about it in the first place?

It was because of people 'examining him', men like a lot of people today who are against giving to support those that work full-time in the gospel, that was why he supported himself. Paul preferred to boast in the Lord. It did not make it wrong.




MAY I USE THE WORD NOW, THAT YOU 'L I E D' ABOUT PAUL ABOVE (in blue). YOU MANUFACTURED A REASON 'WHY PAUL WAS TALKING ABOUT 'THE QUOTE'.WITHOUT SHOWING ANY BIBLE VERSE IN THE CORINTHIANS TO BUTRESS THAT 'CERTAIN PEOPLE ARE EXAMINING HIM'

IF YOU ARE SURE OF IT THAT IT WAS BECAUSE SOMEONE IS EXAMINING HIM, SHOW US IN THE BIBLE WHO THEY ARE STRAIGHT AWAY. IM WAITING,DONT DODGE THIS IF YOU EVER WANT ANYBODY TO TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY.

1 Corinthians 9:3
3Mine answer to them that do examine me is this

May be you should study the word before you post. It was in verse 3. I just did not add that scripture.
You are really trying so so hard. Anyway, you do not need to fight me, it is plainly written in scripture.
Who is the 'L I A R' now?
*shake my head*

Snowwy:

@Zikky, even pagan cultures give amongst themselves so you do not have a point in that regard. It is obvious I am talking based on the bible.

Zikkyy have no point Lol was it zikkyy that said justice, faith & mercy is universal? was it zikkyy that said tithe is universal? I can see you now agree that Jesus was not talking about the universal application of tithe, which is what i have been saying. So how can you now say zikkyy does not have  point? Honestly i think i just scored 10 points, so award me my marks abeg Thank God you are not a lecturer

Snowwy:

You affirmed that mercy, faith and justice was not restricted to the Levites and is practiced by Christians, yet you relegate tithe to the Levitical priesthood even when tithing was done by our Father of Faith, Abraham to Melcizedek, the High Priest:

There is no basis for comparing mercy, faith & justice to the levitical tithe. This is what i am trying to convey here. Mercy, faith & justice will still operate even in the absence of the levitical priesthood. A Jew will not tithe if there are no Levi priest to collect the tithe. That's the difference.

I did not relegate tithe to the Levitical priesthood, the question is what was the practice at the time? If Melchi had showed up when the mosaic law was in operation, he would not receive tithe. Jesus could not have been referring to a practice that is no longer applicable when he made the statement. Abraham's tithe to Melchi will not be relevant in this case. It is not an issue of just tithing, it's about tithing based on currently operating rules.

Snowwy:

Hebrews 7:3
3Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

Hebrews 7:17
17For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

Jesus told the Pharisees not to neglect tithing (did Christ just say it for the fun of it or was not the tithe used to support the Levites so they can focus on God's work?)and the Priesthood changed to that of Jesus after his death.

Lol what are you saying now? that we should support Jesus so he can focus on God's work?

Snowwy:

Jesus told the Pharisees not to neglect tithing

Correction: Jesus told the pharisees not to neglect tithing as stipulated in the Mosaic law.

Snowwy:

Note all the bolded. Why would Paul quote from the OT to a Gentile church especially regarding supporting they of the gospel?
I have asked what is the 'power over you' he talked about and their right to food and drink. The food and drink, ofcourse, at the expense of the flock.
If the Lord ordained this, why would Paul even be talking about it in the first place?

It was because of people 'examining him', men like a lot of people today who are against giving to support those that work full-time in the gospel, that was why he supported himself. Paul preferred to boast in the Lord. It did not make it wrong.

Nobody is saying pastors should not receive support. The question is this; Do tithes apply to Christians? Your personal decision to tithe because Abraham gave a tenth to Melchi is not evidence that tithe is for Christians. What you practice today is your creation (or that of your pastor). But that do not mean it is illegal for you to give a tenth to your church if that's what you want to do.

Snowwy:

It is, therefore, very funny when you say tithing of today was not recommended by Christ or has no biblical correlation. However, that is your (man's)opinion not God's.

So what is God's opinion? and provide evidence ooh.

Enigma:

Now this is an interesting point; see the confusion:

- Joagbaje says tithing today is based on Abraham ("spiritual principle"; that means it is not compulsory. 

- Oyakhilome says those not tithing are robbing God; that means it IS compulsory! 

- Snowwy says Jesus made tithing valid; is it the compulsory one or the non-compulsory one?

E má pa iró mó mi. God does not force anybody into anything. I've always said its like prayer. Is prayer compulsory or not. Is giving compulsory or not. Its a matter of choice . You do it ,you enjoy the benefit , you don't do it you miss out of its blessing. It's not an issue of compulsion here.

^^^
@joagbaje
If your hypothesis above is true, how come those of us that don't tithe are so much more better off than those who tithe religiously? What exactly is the benefit in tithing that they enjoy? (The benefit to the collectors of tithes is quite obvious)

Zikkyy:

Zikkyy have no point Lol was it zikkyy that said justice, faith & mercy is universal? was it zikkyy that said tithe is universal? I can see you now agree that Jesus was not talking about the universal application of tithe, which is what i have been saying. So how can you now say zikkyy does not have  point? Honestly i think i just scored 10 points, so award me my marks abeg Thank God you are not a lecturer

There is no basis for comparing mercy, faith & justice to the levitical tithe. This is what i am trying to convey here. Mercy, faith & justice will still operate even in the absence of the levitical priesthood. A Jew will not tithe if there are no Levi priest to collect the tithe. That's the difference.

I did not relegate tithe to the Levitical priesthood, the question is what was the practice at the time? If Melchi had showed up when the mosaic law was in operation, he would not receive tithe. Jesus could not have been referring to a practice that is no longer applicable when he made the statement. Abraham's tithe to Melchi will not be relevant in this case. It is not an issue of just tithing, it's about tithing based on currently operating rules.

Lol what are you saying now? that we should support Jesus so he can focus on God's work?

Correction: Jesus told the pharisees not to neglect tithing as stipulated in the Mosaic law.

It was obvious I was talking from the bible, Universal in applicability to before, during and after the law.  That is the whole period from creation to date. You pulled in pagan cultures not me. You have awarded yourself a score already.

After the law with Christ as High Priest, Apostle Paul spoke about the OT and related it to the NT.
If you have a different view of what Apostle Paul meant, then I respect that, it is just amazing when you come along to undermine tithe saying it has no biblical correlation to current times.

While Jesus was on earth, he was putting in place the dawn of a new order and priesthood. He ordained that those that preach the gospel should live of it so your joke is lost on me.


'Abraham gave a tenth to Melchi is not evidence that tithe is for Christians. What you practice today is your creation (or that of your pastor). '

On the contrary, why you do not practise tithing today is your own creation, there is no biblical evidence showing that tithe is not to be practiced today or is abolished. Tithe was a means of support and if with what Paul has said, linking OT to NT, then there is nothing more to say.

'Nobody is saying pastors should not receive support.'

This is the most laughable comment you have made, have you gone through the posts of many against tithe both on the thread and others? You said 'nobody is saying'. Those against tithe say that Jesus said we should give to the poor and they will rather give to the poor than give to any MOG/church. Meanwhile evern in the OT, there was a place for giving to support the work of God, to the poor, parents and others. From the NT it is obvious that this applies too.
As I confirmed, you only gave your opinion. Not God's.

If all the evidence shown, based on scripture, is not sufficient evidence on God's opinion of tithe, then let us let it be.
The word of God will always prevail.
Cheers.

Joagbaje:

E má pa iró mó mi.  God does not force anybody into anything. I've always said its like prayer. Is prayer compulsory or not. Is giving compulsory or not. Its a matter of choice . You do it ,you enjoy the benefit , you don't do it you miss out of its blessing.  It's not an issue of compulsion here.

What are the 'blessings' that those who tithe get that the non-tithers miss out on??

Can you please name them, maybe you can convince the independent ones to tithe.

And your inability to mention them [b]accurately [/b]renders that statement false.

Joagbaje:

I don't really want to repeat myself over . Tithing is a spiritual principle. The structure under the law was strictly for the Jews . The tithes we give today is not based on levitical order. The process or structure is not the issue.

For example the reason Abel offered first fruits  was different from the reason Israel offered first fruits . The way Abraham gave tithes was different from the structure under the law. So the issue is not th process but the principle . So if you want to compare church tithing with levitical ,it doesn't make sense.

OK Joagbaje, let us see who is lying between me and you.

Did you not write the above? Does the above not say that "tithing" today is based on Abraham and not the law or Levitical order  (I can already see you holding to the word "structure" for lifeline, I'm waiting). Does that not mean that tithing is now voluntary as with Abraham and not compulsory as with the law and the Levitical order?

Has Oyakhilome not taught that those not tithing are robbing God? Does that not mean that "tithing" is compulsory?

So we then add the further twisting - that Jesus validated tithing in Matthew 23 - and we arrive at the question below:

Which type of tithing did Jesus validate: Joagbaje's ("spiritual principle" and Abram) or Oyakhilome's ("robbing God" and law/Levitical order)?

Enigma:


Has Oyakhilome not taught that those not tithing are robbing God? Does that not mean that "tithing" is compulsory.

Let's leave pastor chris out of discussion. I am joagbaje

dare2think:

What are the 'blessings' that those who tithe get that the non-tithers miss out on??

Can you please name them, maybe you can convince the independent ones to tithe.

This is not arithmetic. They are numerous. It's like saying what's the benefit of giving to the poor, what's the benefit of justice,prayer . For every giving and every acting on the ord of God ,there's blessing ,there's grace.

Joagbaje:

Let's leave pastor chris out of discussion. I am joagbaje

You are now ashamed of "Pastor Chris" because you know deep down in your heart that he is wrong. 

The same "pastor  Chris" of whom you told us that he is the best Bible teacher in the whole world and that people, pastors etc are coming from all over the world to learn from him!

He cannot get an elementary thing as the status of "tithing" right. Now you want to distance yourself from him.

No problem; I've made my point anyway. I'll leave you to your conscience.

Joagbaje:

This is not arithmetic. They are numerous. It's like saying what's the benefit of giving to the poor, what's the benefit of justice,prayer . For every giving and every acting on the ord of God ,there's blessing ,there's grace.

Lol, I must have thought it was algebra!!

You have said nothing to ascertain your claim.

What are the blessings non-tithers are missing out on?

Snowwy:

After the law with Christ as High Priest, Apostle Paul spoke about the OT and related it to the NT.
If you have a different view of what Apostle Paul meant, then I respect that,

What Apostle Paul did was to compare Christ priesthood with that of the Levites as well as that of Melchi. The aim was to show the superiority of Christ's priesthood. It has nothing to do with "bringing back old school"

Snowwy:

it is just amazing when you come along to undermine tithe saying it has no biblical correlation to current times.

It's not my fault nah if you had rendered your tithe to a Levi priest, then i can say there is some bit of correlation But i did say your tithe (rendering of a tenth of your income) is not illegal. It's all part of giving. I believe God will accept your offer if done with a sincere heart.

Snowwy:

While Jesus was on earth, he was putting in place the dawn of a new order and priesthood. He ordained that those that preach the gospel should live of it

We all agree that those that preach the gospel can live off it. No wahala. That's as far as it goes. It's not a licence to bring back the various type of offerings that taken to the temple or an excuse to build an alter for sacrificing bulls and goats. When you guys refer to this bit in the bible you forget tithe did not end up at the altar, so what type of sacrifice will those that wait at the altar be partaking in?

Snowwy:

On the contrary, why you do not practise tithing today is your own creation, there is no biblical evidence showing that tithe is not to be practiced today or is abolished.

I can tell you one thing, and that is the tithe practiced as a biblical requirement cannot be performed by a christian. You need to visit a Jewish temple to practice it. I can also tell you that all other forms of tithing practice (if any) prior to mosaic law were no longer applicable or were subsumed into the levitical tithing practice. So if you can't participate in the tithing practice operating at the time Christianity took off, what other evidence do you want me to show that anything you do today is your own creation

Snowwy:

This is the most laughable comment you have made,

Finally, you agree i have a good sense of humor

Snowwy:

have you gone through the posts of many against tithe both on the thread and others? You said 'nobody is saying'.

Okay, maybe you have a point here (you can see am not stingy with marks ), so i will rephrase:

'Nobody is saying genuine pastors should not receive support.'

Snowwy:

Those against tithe say that Jesus said we should give to the poor and they will rather give to the poor than give to any MOG/church.

Maybe it's because they see the pastors as crooks.

Snowwy:

If all the evidence shown, based on scripture, is not sufficient evidence on God's opinion of tithe, then let us let it be.

You are yet to provide evidence, but no wahala i'll respect your wish

dare2think:

What are the 'blessings' that those who tithe get that the non-tithers miss out on??

Can you please name them, maybe you can convince the independent ones to tithe.

And your inability to mention them [b]accurately [/b]renders that statement false.

Joagbaje does not have a clue. It's all marketing gimmick

@Snowwy

and to everybody following the tread
PLS EVERYBODY HERE WILL GAIN FROM THIS

[bSnowwy,

4Have we not power to eat and to drink?
6Or I only and Barnabas, have not we power to forbear working?
7Who goeth a warfare any time at his own charges? who planteth a vineyard, and eateth not of the fruit thereof? or who feedeth a flock, and eateth not of the milk of the flock?
8Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also?  
9For it is written in the[b] law of Moses, thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen? [/b]
10Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.
11If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?
12If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the gospel of Christ
13Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
14Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.'

quote from snowwy'

Note all the bolded. Why would Paul quote from the OT to a Gentile church especially regarding supporting they of the gospel?
I have asked what is the 'power over you' he talked about and their right to food and drink. The food and drink, ofcourse, at the expense of the flock.

ANSWER;

Why would Paul quote from the OT to a Gentile church especially regarding supporting they of the gospel?

WHY PAUL QUOTE FROM OLD TESTAMENT RELATES TO THE OLD WAY  LAW USED TO  GUIDE THE JEW,  (Vs 9,10) BEFORE CHRIST BUT CONSIST OF BOTH JEW AND GENTILES UNDER GRACE, SO OUR JUSTIFICATION IS THROUGH CHRIST.(14,in blue) should live of the gospel

Vs 14,THE MINISTERS ''SHOULD LIVE'' AND NOT ''MUST TOTALLY LIVE''
COMPARE TO vs (13) and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?or

(NCV).(vs13) Surely you know that those who work at the Temple get their food from the Temple, and those who serve at the altar[color=#000099] get part of what is offered at the altar.
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Galatians 3:23,24.


23 Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed.

24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith.

I have asked what is the 'power over you' he talked about and their right to food and drink. The food and drink, ofcourse, at the expense of the flock.

SEE THE SAME 'POWER OVER YOU' AS IT IS RENDERED IN OTHER BIBLES,

(NKJV) 11 If we have sown spiritual things for you, is it a great thing if we reap your material things?

12 If others are partakers of this right over you,are we not even more?

(NCV)11 Since we planted spiritual seed among you, is it too much if we should harvest material things?

12 If others have the right to get something from you, surely we have this right, too. But we do not use it. No, we put up with everything ourselves so that we will not keep anyone from believing the Good News of Christ.
13 Surely you know that those who work at the Temple get their food from the Temple, and those who serve at the altar get part of what is offered at the altar.

(NIV) 11 If we have sown spiritual seed among you, is it too much if we reap a material harvest from you?12 If others have this right of support from you, shouldn’t we have it all the more?

(GNT )11 We have sown spiritual seed among you. Is it too much if we reap material benefits from you?

12 If others have the right to expect this from you, don't we have an even greater right?

'SPIRITUAL SEEDS' IS MENTIONED TO BE SOWED HERE (love,joy,peace,kindness,Goodness, etc)
NOT CAR, OR TANGIBLE THINGS MAINLY BEEN SOWED, AND THIS IS THE ONLY EXAMPLE WHERE PAUL USE THE WORD TO SOW,MUST BE IN SPIRIT.  

NOW MORE EXPOSE ON YOUR CLAIM,

(IM WRITING THIS TO SHOW THE PEOPLE WHY IT IS DIFFICULT FOR YOU TO DISCERN BIBLE ''IN GRACE''AND AS ''A WHOLE''

THAT A GLARING BIBLE VERSE THAT  ANSWERS YOU DIRECTLY, YOU WILL NOT REACT,BUT  STILL ASK THE PERSON THAT QUOTED IT THAT 'YOU WANT ME TO BELIEVE THIS'' AS IF HE WROTE IT.

AND I WILL NOT BE SURPRISED IF AFTER THIS EXPOSE,YOU MISQUOTE ME, BY SAYING ALL SORTS OF THINGS TO SHY AWAY FROM FACTS),HERE WE GO;

FIRTLY, YOU STICK TO THIS USE OF WORDS LIKE THE 'TENTH PORTION' AND 'TITHE' BECAUSE YOU ARE AWARE OF SOME 'VARIANCES' IN INTERPRETATIONS OF SOME KEY WORDS IN THE BIBLE BY THE TRANSLATORS INCLUDING THE ENGLISH TRANSLATORS, FOR EXAMPLE, THE HEBREW WORD FOR 'GOD' IS RENDERED ONLY IN CONSONANTS, (4 LETTERS) ONLY, NOW TO TRANSLATE IT TO ENGLISH LANGUAGE LOOKS LIKE THIS;

EXAMPLE OF PSALM 110:1;

Psalm 110

1,The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

OBVIOUSLY, THERE THE FIRST LORD IS 'GOD ALMIGHTY' WHILE THE OTHER 'Lord' IS JESUS CHRIST. THE POINT HERE IS THAT,TO A COMMON MAN, LORD IS LORD,AND HE GOT EVERY RIGHT TO HOLD ON TO IT BASED ON THE TRANSLATION. THE PARTICULAR MISTAKE (i call it mistake because had they knew that many people dont to enough reseach inside the bible) FROM THE TRANSLATORS WAS THAT THEY WOULD JUST APPLY LORD TO DESCRIBE GOD AND ALSO USE SAME TO DESCRIBE A HIGHER INDIVIDUALS, KING,HUSBANDS ETC.

BUT WILL A GOOD CHRISTIAN FOLD HIS ARM AND NOT DIG FOR TRUE MEANING BY COMPARING STATEMENTS IN THE BIBLE? SINCE WE HAVE NO ACCESS TO THE EARLY SCROLLS, BUT BY MAKING COMPARATIONS,WE CAN DESCERN THE TRUTH. WHICH IN TURN 'WILL SET YOU FREE''.

NOW COMPARE;Heb 7:4,9

.4 Now consider how great this man was, to whom even the patriarch Abraham gave a tenth of the spoils.

NOW,IF THE LAW COVENANT DIRECTS THAT AN ACCEPTABLE 'TITHE' IS ONLY APPLICABLE AND RECOGNISED ONLY ON INCREASE, NO INCREASE NO TITHE, ESPECIALLY IN SABATICAL YEARS,7TH.

HOW COME THE SAME BIBLE WILL REFER TO THE ''ACT OF MERE DIVIDING OF SPOILS'' NOT ON INCREASE, BUT JUST TENTH PORTION BE ALSO REFERED TO AS ''ABRAHAM PAID TITHE''?

9 Even Levi, who receives tithes, paid tithes through Abraham, so to speak,

DOES THE BIBLE COTRADICT ITSELF? NO,BUT ENGLISH TRANSLATORS ARE PARTLY RESPONSIBLE,BUT WE CANT BLAME THEM BECAUSE THE SITUATIONS THEY WERE WHEN THEY TRANSLATES IS NOT CONDUCIVE AT ALL,AND NOT A RELAXED MOOD,THEY SPEND TIME AND ENERGY TO TRANSLATE,PRESERVE BIBLE AT THE EXPENSE OF THEIR LIFE,(TYNDALE DIES DURING THE COURSE) SO WE AS CHRISTIANS HAVE THE GREATER RESPONSIBILITY TO(1 John 4: 1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.)

ANY BODY HOLDING UNNECESARILY TO THIS MERE BIBLE VERSE AND REJECTING ALL PROOFS ATTACHED TO IT MUST ALSO ACCEPT THAT, SINCE LORD IS USED FOR BOTH GOD AND MAN, THE SAME LORD WITH ONLY ONE 'SYLABLE' USED FOR JUST MERE MORTAL AND GOD ALMIGTHY MEANS THAT EVERY COURT JUDGES, HUSBANDS,ETC ARE ALL  GOD ALMIGHTY,  

IS THAT  REASONABLE?

THE TRUTH ABOUT THIS IS THAT MANY WHO ARE DIE HARD ADVOCATES OF TITHES BASED THEIR BELIEF ON PHYLOSOPHY, AND 'SNOWWY' HAS JUST DEMOSTRATES THAT NOW,
THATS THE REASON WHY HE FINDS IT SO DIFFICULT TO SEE BIBLE DIFFERENTLY FROM OTHER UNSCRIPTURAL BOOKS;
HOEVER,WE ARE WARNED AS CHRISTIANS;read below;

Colossians 2:8

8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.


SO WE HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO SEACH AND COMPARE AND HOLD ON TO WHAT IS TRUE.





EXAMPLE, 4 LAWS OF UNIVERS WAS RECOMENDED TO DISCERN THE BIBLE;

THAT ACT ALONE GROSSLY UNDERMINES BIBLE, BECAUSE BIBLE IS FAR SUPERIOR  IN THE SENSE THAT ITS THE OLDEST BOOK WITH THE WIDEST CIRCULATION ON EARTH.
AND HAVE EVEN THE IMFORMATIONS ABOUT THE EARTH HANDY BEFORE SCIENTIST;;

 Isaiah 40:22
22 It is He who sits above the circle of the earth,
And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers,
Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain,
And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.


INSTEAD OF FOCUSING ON THE TITHE ISSUE WHICH IS JUST ONE OUT OF HUNDREDS OF THE PRIESTS RESPONSIBILITY, WE NEED TO NOW MAKE COMPARATIONS,

MELCHIZEDECK;                                                                        JESUS;
PRIESTHOOD REQ;                                                                    PRIESTHOOD REQ;
1,lack the basic requirements under Aaron,                             1,Jesus also lacks the basic requirements, he                    
Not a jew, so will not qualify under Aaronic structure                came from judah tribe, that nothing is said                          
of priesthood that demands that every firstborn                       about priest hood,              
must redeemed to serve as priest.
1a ,lack the basic requirements under
 innaugurated  levi structure.
2,Melchiz, became priest by oath.                                              2,Jesus too became a high priest 'in the same  
                                                                                                   partern of 'oath'                                            
3,Melchi,s priest described as superior because;
high priest,regarded as occupying 'office of the priest)
were seen as a 'mediator' between God and man.
SUPERIOR to the extent that he occupy the office only.

BUT, what contitutes 'tithes'
as an inheritance was not                                                                        3, NIL
attached as there was no proof except  'tributes' which
does not follow any laid down pattern.
while what constitutes the term 'tithe' must be on increase.

4,Melchi,  is greater than Abraham because he is the                               4,NIL
high priest due to oath, authorises to bless,and
while he blesses Abraham,he occupy the 'greater' like father
blessing his who is his on knees.
5, Melchi, is also declared great because he is priviledged                         5,jesus is not Melchi, Melchi is not
to receive priesthood comparations to jesus, and not to Aaron                    jesus
or levi who receive tithe as inheritance.                                                        Melchi is also the king of jebusite
                                                                                                                     city of salem.

EMPHASIS ON 3, BELOW,

3,Melchi,s priest described as superior because;
high priest,regarded as occupying 'office of the priest)
were seen as a 'mediator' between God and man.
SUPERIOR to the extent that he occupy the office only.

BUT, what contitutes 'tithes'
as an inheritance was not
attached as there was no proof except  'tributes' which
does not follow any laid down pattern.
while what constitutes the term 'tithe' must be on increase.

ADVOCATES OF TITHES TO CHRISTIANS ''DELIBERATELY FORCE OR SMUGGLED TITHE COLLECTION'' AS ONE OF THE OVERSIGHTS OF MELCHIZEDECK WHO BY THAT TIME,THE 'TITHING' INSTITUTION HAVE NOT BEEN INNAUGURATED.
THEY SAY THAT IF MELCHI HAS RECEIVED PRIESHOOD, HE MUST ALSO BE RECEIVE WHAT IS NOT EXISTING AS TITHE.

THEY SAY IT PREDATES THE LAW, WHAT PREDATES THE LAW, IS NOT KNOWN, MAYBE 'TRIBUTE NOT FOLLOWING ANY PATTERN'

BUT ONE THING THAT IS SURE IS THAT,PRIESTHOOD OUTSIDE TITHING, PREDATES LAW, SIMPLE.
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@Zikky, lol. You sure are one funny person. It's actually nice 'posting' with you.
To each his own.

@Bernimoore, the last I remember, you said I 'L I E D', actina all smug and I provided proof and you totally overlooked that.
I actually expected you to do what a Christian would do when proved wrong. I would however not be surprised if you don't though.

@Snowwy

and to everybody following the tread
PLS EVERYBODY HERE WILL GAIN FROM THIS

[bSnowwy,

4Have we not power to eat and to drink?
6Or I only and Barnabas, have not we power to forbear working?
7Who goeth a warfare any time at his own charges? who planteth a vineyard, and eateth not of the fruit thereof? or who feedeth a flock, and eateth not of the milk of the flock?
8Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also?  
9For it is written in the[b] law of Moses, thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen? [/b]
10Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.
11If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?
12If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the gospel of Christ
13Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
14Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.'

quote from snowwy'

Note all the bolded. Why would Paul quote from the OT to a Gentile church especially regarding supporting they of the gospel?
I have asked what is the 'power over you' he talked about and their right to food and drink. The food and drink, ofcourse, at the expense of the flock.

ANSWER;

Why would Paul quote from the OT to a Gentile church especially regarding supporting they of the gospel?

WHY PAUL QUOTE FROM OLD TESTAMENT RELATES TO THE OLD WAY  LAW USED TO  GUIDE THE JEW,  (Vs 9,10) BEFORE CHRIST BUT CONSIST OF BOTH JEW AND GENTILES UNDER GRACE, SO OUR JUSTIFICATION IS THROUGH CHRIST.(14,in blue) should live of the gospel

Vs 14,THE MINISTERS ''SHOULD LIVE'' AND NOT ''MUST TOTALLY LIVE''
COMPARE TO vs (13) and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?or

(NCV).(vs13) Surely you know that those who work at the Temple get their food from the Temple, and those who serve at the altar[color=#000099] get part of what is offered at the altar.
[/color]
Galatians 3:23,24.


23 Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed.

24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith.

I have asked what is the 'power over you' he talked about and their right to food and drink. The food and drink, ofcourse, at the expense of the flock.

SEE THE SAME 'POWER OVER YOU' AS IT IS RENDERED IN OTHER BIBLES,

(NKJV) 11 If we have sown spiritual things for you, is it a great thing if we reap your material things?

12 If others are partakers of this right over you,are we not even more?

(NCV)11 Since we planted spiritual seed among you, is it too much if we should harvest material things?

12 If others have the right to get something from you, surely we have this right, too. But we do not use it. No, we put up with everything ourselves so that we will not keep anyone from believing the Good News of Christ.
13 Surely you know that those who work at the Temple get their food from the Temple, and those who serve at the altar get part of what is offered at the altar.

(NIV) 11 If we have sown spiritual seed among you, is it too much if we reap a material harvest from you?12 If others have this right of support from you, shouldn’t we have it all the more?

(GNT )11 We have sown spiritual seed among you. Is it too much if we reap material benefits from you?

12 If others have the right to expect this from you, don't we have an even greater right?

'SPIRITUAL SEEDS' IS MENTIONED TO BE SOWED HERE (love,joy,peace,kindness,Goodness, etc)
NOT CAR, OR TANGIBLE THINGS MAINLY BEEN SOWED, AND THIS IS THE ONLY EXAMPLE WHERE PAUL USE THE WORD TO SOW,MUST BE IN SPIRIT.  

NOW MORE EXPOSE ON YOUR CLAIM,

(IM WRITING THIS TO SHOW THE PEOPLE WHY IT IS DIFFICULT FOR YOU TO DISCERN BIBLE ''IN GRACE''AND AS ''A WHOLE''

THAT A GLARING BIBLE VERSE THAT  ANSWERS YOU DIRECTLY, YOU WILL NOT REACT,BUT  STILL ASK THE PERSON THAT QUOTED IT THAT 'YOU WANT ME TO BELIEVE THIS'' AS IF HE WROTE IT.

AND I WILL NOT BE SURPRISED IF AFTER THIS EXPOSE,YOU MISQUOTE ME, BY SAYING ALL SORTS OF THINGS TO SHY AWAY FROM FACTS),HERE WE GO;

FIRTLY, YOU STICK TO THIS USE OF WORDS LIKE THE 'TENTH PORTION' AND 'TITHE' BECAUSE YOU ARE AWARE OF SOME 'VARIANCES' IN INTERPRETATIONS OF SOME KEY WORDS IN THE BIBLE BY THE TRANSLATORS INCLUDING THE ENGLISH TRANSLATORS, FOR EXAMPLE, THE HEBREW WORD FOR 'GOD' IS RENDERED ONLY IN CONSONANTS, (4 LETTERS) ONLY, NOW TO TRANSLATE IT TO ENGLISH LANGUAGE LOOKS LIKE THIS;

EXAMPLE OF PSALM 110:1;

Psalm 110

1,The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

OBVIOUSLY, THERE THE FIRST LORD IS 'GOD ALMIGHTY' WHILE THE OTHER 'Lord' IS JESUS CHRIST. THE POINT HERE IS THAT,TO A COMMON MAN, LORD IS LORD,AND HE GOT EVERY RIGHT TO HOLD ON TO IT BASED ON THE TRANSLATION. THE PARTICULAR MISTAKE (i call it mistake because had they knew that many people dont to enough reseach inside the bible) FROM THE TRANSLATORS WAS THAT THEY WOULD JUST APPLY LORD TO DESCRIBE GOD AND ALSO USE SAME TO DESCRIBE A HIGHER INDIVIDUALS, KING,HUSBANDS ETC.

BUT WILL A GOOD CHRISTIAN FOLD HIS ARM AND NOT DIG FOR TRUE MEANING BY COMPARING STATEMENTS IN THE BIBLE? SINCE WE HAVE NO ACCESS TO THE EARLY SCROLLS, BUT BY MAKING COMPARATIONS,WE CAN DESCERN THE TRUTH. WHICH IN TURN 'WILL SET YOU FREE''.

NOW COMPARE;Heb 7:4,9

.4 Now consider how great this man was, to whom even the patriarch Abraham gave a tenth of the spoils.

NOW,IF THE LAW COVENANT DIRECTS THAT AN ACCEPTABLE 'TITHE' IS ONLY APPLICABLE AND RECOGNISED ONLY ON INCREASE, NO INCREASE NO TITHE, ESPECIALLY IN SABATICAL YEARS,7TH.

HOW COME THE SAME BIBLE WILL REFER TO THE ''ACT OF MERE DIVIDING OF SPOILS'' NOT ON INCREASE, BUT JUST TENTH PORTION BE ALSO REFERED TO AS ''ABRAHAM PAID TITHE''?

9 Even Levi, who receives tithes, paid tithes through Abraham, so to speak,

DOES THE BIBLE COTRADICT ITSELF? NO,BUT ENGLISH TRANSLATORS ARE PARTLY RESPONSIBLE,BUT WE CANT BLAME THEM BECAUSE THE SITUATIONS THEY WERE WHEN THEY TRANSLATES IS NOT CONDUCIVE AT ALL,AND NOT A RELAXED MOOD,THEY SPEND TIME AND ENERGY TO TRANSLATE,PRESERVE BIBLE AT THE EXPENSE OF THEIR LIFE,(TYNDALE DIES DURING THE COURSE) SO WE AS CHRISTIANS HAVE THE GREATER RESPONSIBILITY TO(1 John 4: 1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.)

ANY BODY HOLDING UNNECESARILY TO THIS MERE BIBLE VERSE AND REJECTING ALL PROOFS ATTACHED TO IT MUST ALSO ACCEPT THAT, SINCE LORD IS USED FOR BOTH GOD AND MAN, THE SAME LORD WITH ONLY ONE 'SYLABLE' USED FOR JUST MERE MORTAL AND GOD ALMIGTHY MEANS THAT EVERY COURT JUDGES, HUSBANDS,ETC ARE ALL  GOD ALMIGHTY,  

IS THAT  REASONABLE?

THE TRUTH ABOUT THIS IS THAT MANY WHO ARE DIE HARD ADVOCATES OF TITHES BASED THEIR BELIEF ON PHYLOSOPHY, AND 'SNOWWY' HAS JUST DEMOSTRATES THAT NOW,
THATS THE REASON WHY HE FINDS IT SO DIFFICULT TO SEE BIBLE DIFFERENTLY FROM OTHER UNSCRIPTURAL BOOKS;
HOEVER,WE ARE WARNED AS CHRISTIANS;read below;

Colossians 2:8

8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.


SO WE HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO SEACH AND COMPARE AND HOLD ON TO WHAT IS TRUE.





EXAMPLE, 4 LAWS OF UNIVERS WAS RECOMENDED TO DISCERN THE BIBLE;

THAT ACT ALONE GROSSLY UNDERMINES BIBLE, BECAUSE BIBLE IS FAR SUPERIOR  IN THE SENSE THAT ITS THE OLDEST BOOK WITH THE WIDEST CIRCULATION ON EARTH.
AND HAVE EVEN THE IMFORMATIONS ABOUT THE EARTH HANDY BEFORE SCIENTIST;;

 Isaiah 40:22
22 It is He who sits above the circle of the earth,
And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers,
Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain,
And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.


INSTEAD OF FOCUSING ON THE TITHE ISSUE WHICH IS JUST ONE OUT OF HUNDREDS OF THE PRIESTS RESPONSIBILITY, WE NEED TO NOW MAKE COMPARATIONS,

MELCHIZEDECK;                                                                        JESUS;
PRIESTHOOD REQ;                                                                    PRIESTHOOD REQ;
1,lack the basic requirements under Aaron,                             1,Jesus also lacks the basic requirements, he                    
Not a jew, so will not qualify under Aaronic structure                came from judah tribe, that nothing is said                          
of priesthood that demands that every firstborn                       about priest hood,              
must redeemed to serve as priest.
1a ,lack the basic requirements under
 innaugurated  levi structure.
2,Melchiz, became priest by oath.                                              2,Jesus too became a high priest 'in the same  
                                                                                                   partern of 'oath'                                            
3,Melchi,s priest described as superior because;
high priest,regarded as occupying 'office of the priest)
were seen as a 'mediator' between God and man.
SUPERIOR to the extent that he occupy the office only.

BUT, what contitutes 'tithes'
as an inheritance was not                                                                        3, NIL
attached as there was no proof except  'tributes' which
does not follow any laid down pattern.
while what constitutes the term 'tithe' must be on increase.

4,Melchi,  is greater than Abraham because he is the                               4,NIL
high priest due to oath, authorises to bless,and
while he blesses Abraham,he occupy the 'greater' like father
blessing his who is his on knees.
5, Melchi, is also declared great because he is priviledged                         5,jesus is not Melchi, Melchi is not
to receive priesthood comparations to jesus, and not to Aaron                    jesus
or levi who receive tithe as inheritance.                                                        Melchi is also the king of jebusite
                                                                                                                     city of salem.

EMPHASIS ON 3, BELOW,

3,Melchi,s priest described as superior because;
high priest,regarded as occupying 'office of the priest)
were seen as a 'mediator' between God and man.
SUPERIOR to the extent that he occupy the office only.

BUT, what contitutes 'tithes'
as an inheritance was not
attached as there was no proof except  'tributes' which
does not follow any laid down pattern.
while what constitutes the term 'tithe' must be on increase.

ADVOCATES OF TITHES TO CHRISTIANS ''DELIBERATELY FORCE OR SMUGGLED TITHE COLLECTION'' AS ONE OF THE OVERSIGHTS OF MELCHIZEDECK WHO BY THAT TIME,THE 'TITHING' INSTITUTION HAVE NOT BEEN INNAUGURATED.
THEY SAY THAT IF MELCHI HAS RECEIVED PRIESHOOD, HE MUST ALSO BE RECEIVE WHAT IS NOT EXISTING AS TITHE.

THEY SAY IT PREDATES THE LAW, WHAT PREDATES THE LAW, IS NOT KNOWN, MAYBE 'TRIBUTE NOT FOLLOWING ANY PATTERN'

BUT ONE THING THAT IS SURE IS THAT,PRIESTHOOD OUTSIDE TITHING, PREDATES LAW, SIMPLE.
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We are learning too well here. Everyone of us that is against the "monster" called tithe believe in giving. This is what the New testament teaches. I can't contribute more knowledge to tithe teachers who already made up their minds.

God bless y'all.

goshen360:

We are learning too well here. Everyone of us that is against the "monster" called tithe believe in giving.

Speak for yourself . The Fact that you don't believe in tithe doesn't mean those who believe in it are wrong. Everyone has right to what he believes. You Re entitled to your opinion.

Titihing should not generate this much controversy, if not for idleness and also the fact that bible-based christianity is being attacked on all fronts now.

Even newsweek recently wrote an article about modern day persecution of christians. Real christians that is, not the cultists proliferating in churches these days pretending to be believers.

Anyway @ the anti-tithers.

So, what do you suggest people do with the money they'd have otherwise paid as tithe? Its a slow news day so let's hear it.

So, what do you suggest people do with the money they'd have otherwise paid as tithe? Its a slow news day so let's hear it.

If they can afford it, give it to the church if led by the Spirit to do so. Let the Spirit guide you as to how much to give, and to where to give. Much better to give a tenth than to pay a tenth.

goshen360:

We are learning too well here. Everyone of us that is against the "monster" called tithe believe in giving. This is what the New testament teaches. I can't contribute more knowledge to tithe teachers who already made up their minds.

God bless y'all.

Now I actually had to LOL at that.
Tithe (a tenth) is a 'monster'? But giving (which I wouldn't be surprised if he'll claim he gives far more) isn'p so scary.
This is classic.
I respect that you can't contribute more knowledge.

@Bernimoore,
I knew I wouldn't be surprised. I leave you to your conscience.

Snowwy:

Now I actually had to LOL at that.

I respect that you can't contribute more knowledge.

Because I already contributed more than you thought. https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-848459.0.html

[b]@ snowwy

May be you should study the word before you post. It was in verse 3. I just did not add that scripture.

SNOWWY,OR WHAT DO YOU CALL YOURSELF, SEE MY LAST POST THAT YOU SAID THAT YOU REPLIED;

IF YOU ARE SURE OF IT THAT IT WAS BECAUSE SOMEONE IS EXAMINING HIM, SHOW US IN THE BIBLE WHO THEY ARE STRAIGHT AWAY. IM WAITING,DONT DODGE THIS IF YOU EVER WANT ANYBODY TO TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY.

NOW, I REPEAT,WHO ARE THEY THAT ARE EXAMINING PAUL, ? WHO?  THATS MY QUESTION COMPARE IT AGAIN WITH MY LAST POST, IF YOUR  POINT OR PROOF IS SO SURE,WHY DID YOU DROP IT, ACCORDING TO YOU, NOTE THAT 'YOU ARE EXPECTED TO PROOVE HERE, YOU ARE CHALENGED HERE, AND THAT THE ONUS,OR THE BURDEN OF PROOF NOW LIES ON YOU TO DELIVER 'WHO' YOU SAID ARE EXAMINING PAUL. WHICH YOU ARE YET TO DO,

DONT TELL ME THAT YOU ARE RUNNING OUT OF GAS HERE. ANYWAY DONT DODGE ANSWERING QUESTIONS AGAIN.

HOW DO YOU SEE MY LAST POST THAT DEAL WITH YOUR 'POWER OVER YOU' TITHE' AND 'PRIESTHOOD' YOU ONLY REVERSE BACK TO TREAT THE OLD POST,IS IT NOT VERY INTERESTING? .




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@goshen,
You didn't contribute to respond to my post to you.
I only responded based on what your yourself said on having nothing more to contribute, I wonder how what i think matters in this case.
Don't worry, my thoughts shouldn't concern you.
Pleased to meet you, the NL name is Snowwy. (e-hand stretched out for e-handshake).

[b]@ garyarnold

If they can afford it, give it to the church if led by the Spirit to do so.  Let the Spirit guide you as to how much to give, and to where to give.  Much better to give a tenth than to pay a tenth.

MANY HAVE THANKED ME,AND ASK ME FOR SUGGESTIONS, AND I HAVE ONLY MAKE SUGGESTIONS WHICH THEY ACCEPTED TO FOLLOW, THAT IS,IF YOU MUST PAY A TENTH FOLLOWING YOUR MIND, FIRST, THINK OF WHO THE TITHING INSTITUTION WAS MEANT FOR, IN THE LAW, WHICH INCLUDES, THE POOR,AND THE  FATHERLESS WHO ALWAYS HAVE A PLACE IN BOTH THE LAW AND UNDER GRACE, WHICH BOTH THE PHARISEES AND MODERN PASTORS HAVE ABUSED THEIR POWERS, THEN THARE THE TENTH INTO 3 PARTS, GIVE THE CHURCH 30 PER CENT, SHARE 50 PER CENT INTO ENVELOPERS AND SHARE TO THE NEEDY PEOPLES YOU NOTICED IN THE CHURCH INDIVIDUALLY WITHOUT INFORMING THE CHURCH,BECAUSE YOUR RIGHT HAND MUST NOT KNOW WHAT THE LEFT IS DOING,, AND THE LAST 20 PERCENT TO CHARITY, AND JUST WAIT FOR BLESSINGS FROM THOSE WHO FEEL YOUR GESTURE, AND HOW GOD WILL BLESS YOU ABUNDANTLY. JUST GIVE IT A TRY NOW. AN BE SURPRISED. [/b]

MANY HAVE THANKED ME,AND ASK ME FOR SUGGESTIONS, AND I HAVE ONLY MAKE SUGGESTIONS WHICH THEY ACCEPTED TO FOLLOW, THAT IS,IF YOU MUST PAY A TENTH FOLLOWING YOUR MIND, FIRST, THINK OF WHO THE TITHING INSTITUTION WAS MEANT FOR, IN THE LAW, WHICH INCLUDES, THE POOR,AND THE FATHERLESS WHO ALWAYS HAVE A PLACE IN BOTH THE LAW AND UNDER GRACE, WHICH BOTH THE PHARISEES AND MODERN PASTORS HAVE ABUSED THEIR POWERS, THEN THARE THE TENTH INTO 3 PARTS, GIVE THE CHURCH 30 PER CENT, SHARE 50 PER CENT INTO ENVELOPERS AND SHARE TO THE NEEDY PEOPLES YOU NOTICED IN THE CHURCH INDIVIDUALLY WITHOUT INFORMING THE CHURCH,BECAUSE YOUR RIGHT HAND MUST NOT KNOW WHAT THE LEFT IS DOING,, AND THE LAST 20 PERCENT TO CHARITY, AND JUST WAIT FOR BLESSINGS FROM THOSE WHO FEEL YOUR GESTURE, AND HOW GOD WILL BLESS YOU ABUNDANTLY. JUST GIVE IT A TRY NOW. AN BE SURPRISED.

BY PERFOMING THIS ACT (ABOVE) ALONE YOU HAVE JUST SOWN PART OF SPIRIT 'SOWING' FRUIT OF 'KINDNESS AND GOODNESS AND LOVE, ITS JUST ACCEPTABLE TO GOD AS IT SOUNDS.