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Empiree:
So you mean John 5:30, Act 2:22,




"And will make him ['Iesa (Jesus)] a Messenger to the Children of Israel (saying): "I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, that I design for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah's permission; and I heal him who was born blind, and the leper, and I bring the dead to life by Allah's permission. And I inform you of what you eat, and what you store in your houses. Surely, therein is a sign for you, if you believe." Q3:49


Deuteronomy 10 vs 21

He is thy praise, and he is thy God, that hath done for thee these great and terrible things, which thine eyes have seen.


You can see from those verses that Jesus did not perform any miracles. God did. As for John 11: 45 I don't need to explain that to you. It doesn't prove anything

Odingo1:
Have Christians told you that Jesus Christ came to the this world by his own ?. God Almighty send him to this world to become an everlasting sacrifice for remission sins by dying on the cross and to break the power death by his resurrection.

So what is your argument?

Christians believe that all power belong to Almighty God which he gave Jesus Christ to do while on Earth.

Odingo1:
Keep on deceiving yourself by misinterpretating the Bible Muslim man.

John 20:24-29
Jesus Appears to Thomas

24 Now Thomas(A) (also known as Didymus[a]), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came. 25 So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord!”

But he said to them, “Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side,(B) I will not believe.”(C)

26 A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace(D) be with you!”(E) 27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”(F)

28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed;(G) blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

Empiree:
1 Corinthians 15:14-19


If there is no resurrection of the dJesead, then not even Christ has been raised.

And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith

More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised.


For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins.
Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. And if our hope in Christ is only for this life, we are more to be pitied than anyone in the world.

Jesus was not ressurected. Your faith is in vain and those who have died believing in Christianity have perished. There is nothing like ressurection of Jesus. Jesus was either dead or was not killed. But both ways because according to the book of JOB 7:9 and Hebrew 9:27.

If Jesus was dead then you need to answer why he said these



“….Jesus himself stood in their midst, and said unto them, Salam Alaikum

“….But they were terrified, and supposing that they were seeing a spirit.

“And he said unto them,….

“Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me and see; for a spirit has no flesh and bones, as you see me have.

“And showed them his hands and feet.

“And while they yet believed not for joy and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?

“And they gave him a piece of broiled fish, and of a honeycomb.

“And he took it, and did eat before them.” Luke 24:36-43


Ressurection of Jesus was fraudulent by Bible writers

Empiree:
1 Corinthians 15:14-19


If there is no resurrection of the dJesead, then not even Christ has been raised.

And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith

More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised.


For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins.
Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. And if our hope in Christ is only for this life, we are more to be pitied than anyone in the world.

Jesus was not ressurected. Your faith is in vain and those who have died believing in Christianity have perished. There is nothing like ressurection of Jesus. Jesus was either dead or was not killed. But both ways because according to the book of JOB 7:9 and Hebrew 9:27.

If Jesus was dead then you need to answer why he said these



“….Jesus himself stood in their midst, and said unto them, Salam Alaikum

“….But they were terrified, and supposing that they were seeing a spirit.

“And he said unto them,….

“Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me and see; for a spirit has no flesh and bones, as you see me have.

“And showed them his hands and feet.

“And while they yet believed not for joy and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?

“And they gave him a piece of broiled fish, and of a honeycomb.

“And he took it, and did eat before them.” Luke 24:36-43


Ressurection of Jesus was fraudulent by Bible writers

Empiree:
so why did you blame MURIC if you also compared your Jesus to movie character?. You are confused



it is not for me to clarify. It is up to you too clarify confusion in your Bible. Hebrew 1:8 says

but to the Son: Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, and the scepter of your kingdom is a scepter of justice."


But you didn't ask yourself question who's talking in the verse?. It says "unto us" who is speaking there?. Your guys don't think. This is a reported speech by unknown second person plural perhaps. How do you manage to believe reported speech solely for reference and validation?. Christians, please think. Think things out



you said Jesus is God according to your Bible. I said this is blasphemy and contradiction in your Bible. It is your Bible that says you must repent. Didn't you read NUMBERS 23:19 I quoted earlier?.



you didn't quote it. You only wrote "1 John". That meant nothing.


I have told you this already to go back to Bible class but this time, come to Bible class in the Muslim school. We will teach you your Bible very well. You have no idea what this verse means.

First all, this is second person reporter, "in the beginning was the word". Who is speaking there?. Definitely not God not Jesus. So who's speaking in the verse?.

Second, if you return to original Greek manuscript it shows "the word was with God and the word was God's" which means possessive pronoun. That's, the word is creation not God. I'm Islam it is called "Be, and it is". So the word was God's is imperative verb. It is a creative phrase used by God anytime He Commands something.



who tells you Jesus is God in the verse?. Who is speaking in the verse?.


so he was with God, fine. This means a God already existed. Now his creation was with him which means he can't be God again. Think think think. I will format your brain on NL.



are you saying Jesus created the world?. But this contracts your Bible

John 5:30, "By myself I can do nothing;"

Empiree:
so why did you blame MURIC if you also compared your Jesus to movie character?. You are confused



it is not for me to clarify. It is up to you too clarify confusion in your Bible. Hebrew 1:8 says

but to the Son: Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, and the scepter of your kingdom is a scepter of justice."


But you didn't ask yourself question who's talking in the verse?. It says "unto us" who is speaking there?. Your guys don't think. This is a reported speech by unknown second person plural perhaps. How do you manage to believe reported speech solely for reference and validation?. Christians, please think. Think things out



you said Jesus is God according to your Bible. I said this is blasphemy and contradiction in your Bible. It is your Bible that says you must repent. Didn't you read NUMBERS 23:19 I quoted earlier?.



you didn't quote it. You only wrote "1 John". That meant nothing.


I have told you this already to go back to Bible class but this time, come to Bible class in the Muslim school. We will teach you your Bible very well. You have no idea what this verse means.

First all, this is second person reporter, "in the beginning was the word". Who is speaking there?. Definitely not God not Jesus. So who's speaking in the verse?.

Second, if you return to original Greek manuscript it shows "the word was with God and the word was God's" which means possessive pronoun. That's, the word is creation not God. I'm Islam it is called "Be, and it is". So the word was God's is imperative verb. It is a creative phrase used by God anytime He Commands something.



who tells you Jesus is God in the verse?. Who is speaking in the verse?.


so he was with God, fine. This means a God already existed. Now his creation was with him which means he can't be God again. Think think think. I will format your brain on NL.



are you saying Jesus created the world?. But this contracts your Bible

John 5:30, "By myself I can do nothing;"

Empiree:
so why did you blame MURIC if you also compared your Jesus to movie character?. You are confused



it is not for me to clarify. It is up to you too clarify confusion in your Bible. Hebrew 1:8 says

but to the Son: Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, and the scepter of your kingdom is a scepter of justice."


But you didn't ask yourself question who's talking in the verse?. It says "unto us" who is speaking there?. Your guys don't think. This is a reported speech by unknown second person plural perhaps. How do you manage to believe reported speech solely for reference and validation?. Christians, please think. Think things out



you said Jesus is God according to your Bible. I said this is blasphemy and contradiction in your Bible. It is your Bible that says you must repent. Didn't you read NUMBERS 23:19 I quoted earlier?.



you didn't quote it. You only wrote "1 John". That meant nothing.


I have told you this already to go back to Bible class but this time, come to Bible class in the Muslim school. We will teach you your Bible very well. You have no idea what this verse means.

First all, this is second person reporter, "in the beginning was the word". Who is speaking there?. Definitely not God not Jesus. So who's speaking in the verse?.

Second, if you return to original Greek manuscript it shows "the word was with God and the word was God's" which means possessive pronoun. That's, the word is creation not God. I'm Islam it is called "Be, and it is". So the word was God's is imperative verb. It is a creative phrase used by God anytime He Commands something.



who tells you Jesus is God in the verse?. Who is speaking in the verse?.


so he was with God, fine. This means a God already existed. Now his creation was with him which means he can't be God again. Think think think. I will format your brain on NL.



are you saying Jesus created the world?. But this contracts your Bible

John 5:30, "By myself I can do nothing;"

ifiokjohn:
Jesus spoke Aramaic not Salam aleku or how you put m.

Thankfully the Bible said Jesus Christ was Resurrected meaning my faith is not futile and the dead in Christ will rise when he comes back again to the world.

Oga we are using the Bible here and the Bible said he Resurrected. If you like call it fraud, call it PDP but as long as the Bible agrees he was Resurrected then he was.

We can also see that it is true what the Bible said because every of Jesus disciples from Matthew, luke and John wrote about his resurrection..it was consistent.

By the way check in Revelation5 -20 ..you will see the slain lamb ( Jesus) been bowed to and worship by all angels and soon when he shall come back to the world all humans Shall bow to him too including you.

Even your Quran said Jesus shall return. He never said any prophet shall return, not Muhammad, not Elijah, not Elisha, not David, not Solomon. It said Jesus just as the Bible writers you so much love to deride predict

By the way even the verse you just posted there is a testimony there that Jesus was raised from the death by God.
See Bros maybe you should call people that are more verse in the Bible. You really giving yourself to me so much ok.
Common it so easy...even a Bible Rocky like me will trampled upon you so easily

vedaxcool:
There was no comparison but somehow educated South cannot read and comprehend they immediately resort to foolish angst. The statement made was simple to comprehend it took a lesson from the life of Jesus to explain the typical human resort to ungratefulness.

GOTVee:
As a born again Christian who is meant to speak the truth at all times, MURIC did nothing wrong in my opinion. Jesus christ is not a violent person hence we Christians should not be angered by compliments directed to our lord

Empiree:
Your Jesus is dead and not coming back. He did not ressurect

CilicMarin:
But Buhari is a god no doubt....I just love that man...

ifiokjohn:
Oga did I not tell you that Jesus is son of God? Meaning he was created by God. I didn't tell you Jesus always existed like God.
Come on read.
I'm sure they is no real Bible scholar in that your Muslim school.. he will tear you to spread.
You keep giving me reasons to show you that I can easily shread you..
The word( Jesus) as you said is created, yes. But he is the son of God. The word( God) became man and dwelled amongst us

By the way that Hebrew verse... Shows that it was a prophet who saw a vision of Heaven and God speaking... To the son.

See they're many instances of Jesus Christ in heaven with the father....you have no reply.
Everytime I give you something you say it is corrupted or fraud .... But here we using the Bible to clarify. Your corruption doesn't concern me let God judge that.

One thing I as a Christian is assure of as daylight is that Jesus is the Son of God. Hair to the Throne of God. He died and was Resurrected back to life.

You and a billion Muslims can't change that...
See the christians that converted to islam fail to feel it. They failed to feel that jesus is the son of God. No prophets ever or even angel is as exalted as jesus in the bible. It not just about the miracles but alot more

vedaxcool:
There was no comparison but somehow educated South cannot read and comprehend they immediately resort to foolish angst. The statement made was simple to comprehend it took a lesson from the life of Jesus to explain the typical human resort to ungratefulness.

ANTIlSLAM:
Why disgracing yourself on public forum like this? You're contradicting ur god allah despite telling you that Jesus is alive and coming back for the second time

Quran 43:61 And (Jesus) shall be a Sign (for the coming of) the Hour (of Judgment): therefore have no doubt about the (Hour), but follow ye Me: this is a Straight Way.

Sleekfingers:
e pain am

Empiree:
all what you just said that I highlighted are hearsays without proofs. If he wanted to die or came to die for your sin, why did he cry to God when he faced death on the cross?. Does this sound like someone trying to die for you?




Matthew 27:45-50

And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?




you better speak for yourself on this one because you guys have different doctrines. Someone already posted up there not point ago that Jesus is God and he created the world. And besides, since you believe he's not, how about this Bible verse that claimed Jesus is God?



"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace" - Isaiah 9:6

Whoknowsme:
But why will he use a biblical passage as his example, why not use examples from their Koran, abi their Koran no get examples?

Odingo1:
Jesus Christ is a mighty God but not Almighty God. The Almighty God (Elohim, Jehovah etc ) is the greatest, the creator of everything knowingly and unknowingly of him there is no painting, picture, image etc

Empiree:
don't interrupt me. It always sweet me to ignore you because 95% of the time you don't make sense

Empiree:
I'm glad you haven't reached conclusion. It is up to you to believe Kiristeni. They lie and you can smell their lies.

First all there is NOTHING derogatory by drawing parallel character btw average human being and prophet or messanger. Why do Christians claim they are "christlike", isn't this comparison? CHRISTIANs needs to stop their foolish emotional gibberish. They are the ones they always make blasphemous statements about Islam. How is comparing Buhari with Jesus the same as comparing muhammad with rat?.. kiriyo are very foolish

ANTIlSLAM:
Buhahahaha because I always disdain all your taqqiya comments with concrete proof from Quran and ahadith respectively. Ask your brother Antichristian

Imagine telling someone that Jesus is not alive and not coming back again. Who's ur alfa? You gat to go back to Ile-kewu Olodo

Empiree:
You didn't know?. I am Christian slayer

You have no choice now but to embrace Islam. What you just said go against many christian doctrines out there. Are you Yorùbá or do you understand Yorùbá?


If so, did you ever heard Christian sang these songs?

O se o Jesu a o ma yin o

O se o Jesu Olohun....


Another song


Leyin Jesu ko si enikan ooooo

Oba mimo ni oba ti mo n sin

Leyin Jesu ko si enikan ooooo

Alagbara ni oruko re



In these songs and many more like them, they raised status of Jesus to Almighty God and Creator

Lo ba tan

ThatFairGuy1:
You're toying with his Brain

It's a MUST to get confused

ANTIlSLAM:
Buhahahaha because I always disdain all your taqqiya comments with concrete proof from Quran and ahadith respectively. Ask your brother Antichristian

Imagine telling someone that Jesus is not alive and not coming back again. Who's ur alfa? You gat to go back to Ile-kewu Olodo

ThatFairGuy1:
Ad.vocatejare that ran from my questions, is this you

Empiree:
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ANTIlSLAM:
Advocatejare will ran for your question, it can never happen just check yourself very well

Empiree:
then there is nothing unique about "son of God". It means son by tongue not begotten son. So if you mean he was created by God, it means Jesus was God's creation like any other human beings. In that case, MURIC said nothing wrong. There are many sons of God in the bible such as


1. Jacob is God's son and firstborn: "Israel is my son, even my firstborn" Exodus 4:22.


2. Solomon is God's son "He shall build an house for my name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom for ever. I will be his father, and he shall be my son": 2 Samuel 7:13-14.


3. Ephraim is God's firstborn: "for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn" Jeremiah 31:9 (who is God's firstborn? Israel or Ephraim?).


4. Adam is the son of God "Adam, which was the son of God" Luke 3:38.


Even common people like you and I are son of God according to the bible


5. "Ye are the children of the LORD your God" Deuteronomy 14:1.


6. "For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God" Romans 8:14.



7. "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name" John 1:12.


8. "Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: ... now are we the sons of God" 1 John 3:1-2.


Even God has daughters according to the bible



9. Come out from among them and be separate, says the Lord. Do not touch what is unclean, and I will receive you. I will be a Father to you, and you shall be My sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty.” 2 Corinthians 6:18.


So you can see there is nothing special about "son of God". It just means righteousness or righteous people.




what Prophet?. There is no confirmation for this. Your Bible says there are so many false prophets. How do you believe false voice documented in your Bible without due deligence?




what you failed to understand is that Jesus was created the same way you and I were created with the same Command I told you before except for some phenomenon conferred in Jesus. That's all. Every human being was with God before we came to this earth. Where do you think your unborn child is right now?. He or she is with God. This is what Jesus referred to. The same spirit that God breathe in Jesus is the same spirit that God breathe in every human being. This is what gives us life.



QUR'AN

And when I have proportioned him and breathed into him of My [created] soul, then fall down to him in prostration." (15:29 and 38:72)



Hadith


“Each one of you is constituted in the womb of the mother for forty days, and then he becomes a clot of thick blood for a similar period, and then a piece of flesh for a similar period. Then God sends an angel who is ordered to write four things. He is ordered to write down his deeds, his livelihood, the date of his death, and whether he will be blessed or wretched. Then the soul is breathed into him…” (Sahih al-Bukhari: 3036).


this is just emotions not based on facts. I have showed your Bible with clear evidences that a dead person is gone and never to return to earth until the day of ressurection when everybody will be brought back to life. There is nothing like "ressurection of Jesus". That is interpolation in the bible. You either believe Jesus is dead or he was rescued by God and airlifted as some Muslims believe.



no. We showed them convincing and superior evidences that they could not debunk.... Just like you are perambulating here too.