GracieX3:



Sharrap.

You are now backtracking from the nonsense you wrote

AntiChristian:


See you! I compared treason and apostasy. I never equated them.

In English literature the use of as/like in comparison is taught before SSCE.

How comparison equates equality is what I don't understand.

Anyways, na so una be!

Apostacy is Treason.



Apostasy is like Treason.

GracieX3:


Apostasy is not treason.

So, how do you defend the killing of apostates?

Empiree:
I dont know the brother's view if he will care to explain further to you. Treason is punishable offense by capital punishment. This is universal law. No one can deny this. However, when someone renounces faith such as Islam, there is no earthly punishment. There is freedom of religion in the Quran "Let there be no compulsion in religion" Q256

Another verse of Quran confirms that some people renounce faith and return to Islam. They go back and forth. We have seen several evidences of this in our environment. If they have been killed for living Islam how would they return to Islam second time?. You can see it doesn't make sense.


Verily, those who believe, then disbelieve, then believe (again), and (again) disbelieve, and go on increasing in disbelief; Allah will not forgive them, nor guide them on the (Right) Way. 4:137


Where issue seems to be is, someone renounces faith in sharia country and then starts sayings things against Islam that is not true or that threatens peace, or that could potentially cause unrest in community such as what Christians did in Nigeria when they wrote several Books like.


"My case against Allah". "Muhammad had gonorrhea and HIV that's why Muslims perform ablution to plea against it"



Above books were not written by ex-Muslims but Christians. So if ex-Muslims start writing and saying stuff that contradict State religion, such may be subject to capital punishments. The same way you can not deny holocaust in Israel, you will be severely punishment if not death. Even at that, this practice faded. However the reason for saying "apostate is treason" dated back to Islamic history is bcus in the early days of Islam, when Muslims and pagans Arab and Jews were at war, Jews would side with Pagan Arabs and they came to Muslims to confess their faith in Islam (only for the purposes of espionage) and later divulge information to pagan Arabs and they ambushed and killed Muslims. When Muslims found out, it was said that prophet Muhammad said "whoever changes religion amongst (while on expedition) should be killed".


Obviously you can agree with this rule was meant to protect Muslims and it was restricted to war front only. This rule stands till today in every country. Just that it may not have religious undertone in modern Age. If you desert your fellow army in war it is treason. So i needed to clarify this to you. So if someone changes religion, according to Quran, he or she is free to do so based on ayah I quoted above. Quran stands in judgment over any other literature.




Judaism/Christianity


In the Hebrew Bible, apostasy is equated with rebellion against God, His Law, and and worshiping any god other than the Hebrew deity, Yahweh. The penalty for apostasy in Deuteronomy 13:1-10 is death.




In Christianity


Apostasy in Christianity began early in its history. Saint Paul started out his career attempting to influence Christians to apostatize from the new faith (Acts 8 ) and revert to orthodox Judaism. Later, when Christianity separated itself from Judaism, Jewish Christians who kept the Mosaic Law were considered either heretics or apostates.

In Christian tradition, apostates were to be shunned by other members of the church. Titus 3:10 indicates that an apostate or heretic needs to be "rejected after the first and second admonition." Hebrews 6:4-6 affirms the impossibility of those who have fallen away "to be brought back to repentance."

GracieX3:



1. First, you are lying when you claim that Paul in the New Testament had anything to do with apostasy. The New Testament does not deal with apostasy. The Titus 3;10 you quoted is not about apostasy but about someone who is divisive. Futhermore, the divisive person is to be left alone and ignored, instead of facing punishment. STOP COPYING AN PASTING RUBBISH FROM YOUR ISLAMIC CLERICS.

2. Apostasy is apostasy. Stop bringing in other claims of treason and writing things against islam. Even at that, if one leaves islam and start promoting christianity, it should never result in a capital punishment.


No matter how you twist and turn, islam has become hypocritical because many islamic countries kill people just for leaving islam. Atheism is a crime in some muslim countries.

GracieX3:


Apostasy is not treason.

So, how do you defend the killing of apostates?

GracieX3:
Empiree,

It seems like many of your muslim brethren are quiet nowadays.

Is it because Islam is getting blasted in the media so much, nowadays?

I mean, from extremist muslim bandits to punishments for blasphemy and killing apostates, the news hasnt been good for islam!


Where are udatso, lanrexlan, sino, stalwert, rashduct4luv, antichristian and co? They have been awfully quiet.


cc imaliyu, usermane, tintingz

usermane:


Islam getting blasted by the media? Quite to the contrary, no one hears about Islam nowadays. The headlines are no longer about Islamists or Islamophobes, they've been largely about Trump, his followers & the so called far right. In fact, until the recent rocket exchange between Palestine & Israel, everyone already forgotten about the Muslim world, at least in the English speaking world.

It is a very interesting thing. It shows how much the media is able to shift the masses' attention from one obsession to another.

GracieX3:




Nevertheless, Islam does not have a good reputation with the media.

Elbinawi:
Commentary By Jayne Gardener

I always used to wonder what it was about Jews that made people throughout history despise them. If they were indeed "God's chosen" I thought, they had to be the unluckiest people in the history of the world.

Why were they persecuted throughout history?

Why had the Nazis herded them into cattle cars and taken them to "extermination camps" to dispose once and for all of the "Jewish problem?"

I suddenly recognized that if Hitler had developed a "Final Solution" to the Jewish question, that there had to have been a *"Jewish Problem."* Could the Jews have in any way behaved in such a manner that would make the countries in which they resided turn against them, or were they just unfortunate, innocent victims?

I set out to find answers for my questions, mainly turning to the Internet, but also reading various books on the subject. What I found became increasingly disturbing to me.

I had not known that throughout history, the Jews had been expelled from 79 countries, some countries more than once.

I had not known that many of the claims they made about the Holocaust that I had believed unquestioningly for so long were in fact fraudulent. The books I had read and the movies I had seen about the "Holocaust" and wept over were nothing but thinly veiled attempts to garner unwavering sympathy for the state of Israel and an excuse to extort billions of dollars from Germany and 1.25 billion dollars from the Swiss banks.

I discovered that a book I had read many times as a teenager and cried about, Anne Frank's Diary, had been at least partially written by someone other than Anne Frank.
I learned that the confessions at the Nuremburg Trials and the executions of so many German "war criminals" were extracted under torture and the defendants were being tried, judged and condemned by their very accusers.

I learned about the "false flag" operations, especially the Lavon affair and the tragedy of the USS Liberty, an American ship that was attacked by the Israelis during the 1967 war. 34 young American men were killed and many more wounded.

To add insult to injury, the Israelis claimed that it was simply an unfortunate case of mistaken identity, something the survivors of the Liberty have always vehemently denied. They, however, were threatened with court martial if they were ever to tell their stories.

I learned about the Jonathan Pollard spy case and other incidents of Israeli Jews spying against their supposed "closest ally."

I became shocked and horrified as I learned about the treatment of the Palestinian people in the occupied territories at the hands of the Israeli Defense Forces and the Jewish settlers. Israel purports to be the only democracy in the middle east, but it's only a democracy for Jews. Non-Jews are not considered equal.

I was saddened to see pictures of innocent Palestinian children burned beyond recognition or suffering from serious gunshot wounds after being targeted by the IDF for no other reason than that they are Palestinian.

I found out about the Jewish history of avariciousness, larceny, lying, manipulation and their questionable and usurious business practices.

I learned about their roles in the radical homosexual movement, the radical feminist movement, the pornography industry as well as their over-representation in the abortion industry.

I discovered their role in organized crime, in the slave trade, in the civil rights movement and in Communism, an ideology that is responsible for the deaths of untold millions and the repression of many millions more.

I learned that it was Jewish supremacists behind the war against Christianity and Christmas. It is they who want God out of the Pledge of Allegiance and all symbols of Christianity removed from public life.

They have driven Christianity from the public schools despite Christianity being the majority religion.

They have taken Christmas out of the public school calendar despite the fact that it is a statutory holiday and it is named Christmas.

I read about the anti-Genteelism and hatefulness of the Babylonian Talmud and their utter disrespect for, and hostility towards Jesus Christ, the Virgin Mary and Christianity and Christians in general.

I learned about their "chutzpah" in claiming that Gentile lives were worth no more than the lives of barnyard animals but that they considered Jewish lives to be akin to God Himself. It's okay to steal from a Gentile or to kill a Gentile, but Jewish lives are sacred.

I learned of their control of the majority of wealth, the media and academia despite them making up less than 2% of the population (even lower in Canada).

They are behind the ridiculous political correctness movement and hate crime legislation that was drafted so as to silence anyone who might figure out their agenda and attempt to shed light on it.

Men like German Rudolf, David Irving and many more, previously recognized as great historians, were arrested, charged with hate crimes and incarcerated simply for having made academic inquiry into a specific period of history.

Other so called "revisionists" or "holocaust deniers" have been intimidated, harassed, assaulted and smeared simply for trying to get at the truth.

It is patently clear that the war in Iraq is due solely to Israel wanting to hobble her enemies by destabilizing their governments in order to achieve hegemony in the middle east.

It would be unthinkable for Israeli Jews to die for this cause, so they manipulated the US into the war with the help of the Jewish Zionist " Israel firsters" in the Bush administration in order that the blood of way too many young American men and women is shed instead.

It is they who control the middle eastern foreign policy of the most powerful country in the world, the USA . It is they who control congress, the senate and the puppet president.

They have such control in movies and television that we are now subjected to endless programs and Hollywood movies that mock Christianity, Christian values and degrade the traditional family.

After sober reflection on what I had discovered about Jewish supremacy and Zionism, I had to abandon all my previously held notions as to the history of Jewish persecution.

What I have trouble understanding is why they continue this behavior in whichever society they live, knowing that eventually they will overplay their hand and their perfidy will be exposed yet again. Has history taught them nothing?

As more and more people become aware of what is going on and who is responsible for it, anger is going to rise as it already has in the former Soviet Union and eastern European countries.

They may control television, movies and the print media, but they don't control the internet. At least not yet. Blogs and websites devoted to "outing" the Jewish supremacists will ultimately be their downfall.

If everyone who sees this information passes it on to at least one other person, the crimes and misdeeds of the Jewish supremacists and Zionists will be exposed. Please, do your part. Pass it on. Our world as we know it is counting on you.

Posted by Jayne Gardener

Born2Freak:
Em piree,

It is unfortunate that many of our Nigerian presidents are bad.

But our muslim presidents have been the worst. Abacha, and now Buhari.

What a shame.

Empiree:
said baba

Born2Freak:



You can see that you are an unfortunate being.

Even your brother stalwert is quiet on his Buhari support.

You are saying 'sai baba' when everyone can see that Buhari is not working. Locally and internationally, every political analyst knows that he is a useless president.

You are not well

Empiree:
you lack sense

Born2Freak:


Is that all you can say?

See what religious fanaticism has done to your life.

Keep on supporting Buhari. See how your life will turn out.

Empiree:
what's my business with Buhari?.. why did you change my post?. This is against NL rule

Stalwert:


God bless you sir.

Born2Freak:





See them. Buhari supporters.

Unfortunate people

Empiree:
where did I say I support Buhari?. And besides, don't people have right to support whoever they want?.

Iru omo wo ni e self?

Born2Freak:


Stop living in denial.


Don't be that taquiyah muslim

Born2Freak:
Our two worst presidents are Conservative muslims.

Wow


I.e. Buhari and Abacha.


Em.piree, Stalw.ert......any thoughts??