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Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by AntiChristian: 9:55am On May 17, 2021 |
GracieX3: See you! I compared treason and apostasy. I never equated them. In English literature the use of as/like in comparison is taught before SSCE. How comparison equates equality is what I don't understand. Anyways, na so una be! Apostacy is Treason. Apostasy is like Treason. |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by GracieX3(f): 10:58am On May 17, 2021 |
AntiChristian: Apostasy is not treason. So, how do you defend the killing of apostates? |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 11:15pm On May 17, 2021 |
GracieX3:I dont know the brother's view if he will care to explain further to you. Treason is punishable offense by capital punishment. This is universal law. No one can deny this. However, when someone renounces faith such as Islam, there is no earthly punishment. There is freedom of religion in the Quran "Let there be no compulsion in religion" Q256 Another verse of Quran confirms that some people renounce faith and return to Islam. They go back and forth. We have seen several evidences of this in our environment. If they have been killed for living Islam how would they return to Islam second time?. You can see it doesn't make sense. Verily, those who believe, then disbelieve, then believe (again), and (again) disbelieve, and go on increasing in disbelief; Allah will not forgive them, nor guide them on the (Right) Way. 4:137 Where issue seems to be is, someone renounces faith in sharia country and then starts sayings things against Islam that is not true or that threatens peace, or that could potentially cause unrest in community such as what Christians did in Nigeria when they wrote several Books like. "My case against Allah". "Muhammad had gonorrhea and HIV that's why Muslims perform ablution to plea against it" Above books were not written by ex-Muslims but Christians. So if ex-Muslims start writing and saying stuff that contradict State religion, such may be subject to capital punishments. The same way you can not deny holocaust in Israel, you will be severely punished if not death. Even at that, this practice is fading. However the reason for saying "apostate is treason" dated back to Islamic history is bcus in the early days of Islam, when Muslims and pagans Arab and Jews were at war, Jews would side with Pagan Arabs and they came to Muslims to confess their faith in Islam (only for the purposes of espionage) and later divulge information to pagan Arabs and they ambushed and killed Muslims. When Muslims found out, it was said that prophet Muhammad said "whoever changes religion amongst (while on expedition) should be killed". Obviously you can agree with this rule was meant to protect Muslims and it was restricted to war front only. This rule stands till today in every country. Just that it may not have religious undertone in modern Age. If you desert your fellow army in war it is treason. I needed to clarify this to you. So if someone changes religion, according to Quran, he or she is free to do so based on ayah I quoted above. Quran stands in judgment over any other literature. Judaism/Christianity In the Hebrew Bible, apostasy is equated with rebellion against God, His Law, and and worshiping any god other than the Hebrew deity, Yahweh. The penalty for apostasy in Deuteronomy 13:1-10 is death. In Christianity Apostasy in Christianity began early in its history. Saint Paul started out his career attempting to influence Christians to apostatize from the new faith (Acts 8 ) and revert to orthodox Judaism. Later, when Christianity separated itself from Judaism, Jewish Christians who kept the Mosaic Law were considered either heretics or apostates. In Christian tradition, apostates were to be shunned by other members of the church. Titus 3:10 indicates that an apostate or heretic needs to be "rejected after the first and second admonition." Hebrews 6:4-6 affirms the impossibility of those who have fallen away "to be brought back to repentance." 1 Like |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by GracieX3(f): 4:40am On May 18, 2021 |
Empiree: 1. First, you are lying when you claim that Paul in the New Testament had anything to do with apostasy. The New Testament does not deal with apostasy. The Titus 3;10 you quoted is not about apostasy but about someone who is divisive. Futhermore, the divisive person is to be left alone and ignored, instead of facing punishment. STOP COPYING AN PASTING RUBBISH FROM YOUR ISLAMIC CLERICS. 2. Apostasy is apostasy. Stop bringing in other claims of treason and writing things against islam. Even at that, if one leaves islam and start promoting christianity, it should never result in a capital punishment. No matter how you twist and turn, islam has become hypocritical because many islamic countries kill people just for leaving islam. Atheism is a crime in some muslim countries. |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 5:04am On May 18, 2021 |
GracieX3:I know you stupid enough not to read btw the lines. You can try so much to cover rubbish in your religion but I'm here to expose the shit in your silly religion and I don't give a damn about it I was actually trying to be subtle with you but for the fact that you came up hard, then I will give it to you harder lol. Your religion has multiple apostasy laws. One Law that came with filtered religion called christianity. The other law, which is actually the original Law of Moses that Jesus followed is still valid. That's the one I posted under Judaism because Jesus said he did not come to abolish the law (Matthew 5:17). Hence, Christians are bound to follow Old Testament Law of apostate. Whether you still practice it or not is irrelevant. The whole world can see how evil you people are on world stage with ongoing crisis in the middle east whereby overwhelming number Christians support genocide of Arab Muslims. This is clear that you evil people are still following old testament rules which ordered killings of Amalekites. By extension, Arab Palestinian Muslims. Thank goodness, a Jewish Rabbi has spoken up about Jewish rejection of Jesus. Hence CHRISTIANITY is bogus religion. Watch this 1 min clip carefully. Rabbi said any religion after Moses that abrogated mosaic law is fake. Not only that, reason Jews rejected Jesus is anyone who said God came in form of human form ( Jesus), that's paganism (Christianity). O ya start arguing with Jewish rabbi https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=10159285578274411
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Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by AntiChristian: 11:48am On May 18, 2021 |
GracieX3: You need to first agree you lied on me first! |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 3:11am On May 19, 2021 |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by usermane(m): 4:24am On May 19, 2021 |
GracieX3: Islam getting blasted by the media? Quite to the contrary, no one hears about Islam nowadays. The headlines are no longer about Islamists or Islamophobes, they've been largely about Trump, his followers & the so called far right. In fact, until the recent rocket exchange between Palestine & Israel, everyone already forgotten about the Muslim world, at least in the English speaking world. It is a very interesting thing. It shows how much the media is able to shift the masses' attention from one obsession to another. 1 Like |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by GracieX3(f): 8:17am On May 20, 2021 |
usermane: Nevertheless, Islam does not have a good reputation with the media. |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 4:06pm On May 21, 2021 |
GracieX3:who cares about media?. People are the media. You believe whatever they say. That's your problem. Islam doesn't need media to promote it's reputation. The One who owns Islam already protects it's reputation. It is He Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad SAW) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam), to make it superior over all religions even though the Mushrikun (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) hate (it). Q9:33 They intend to put out the Light of Allah (i.e. the religion of Islam, this Quran, and Prophet Muhammad SAW) with their mouths(media). But Allah will complete His Light even though the disbelievers hate (it). 61:8 |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 10:48pm On May 21, 2021 |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 9:35pm On May 22, 2021 |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 1:16am On May 23, 2021 |
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Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 4:29pm On May 24, 2021 |
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Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 3:32pm On May 25, 2021 |
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Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 9:35pm On Jun 02, 2021 |
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Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 2:11am On Jun 06, 2021 |
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Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Born2Freak(f): 11:24am On Jun 10, 2021 |
Empiree, It is unfortunate that many of our Nigerian presidents are bad. But our muslim presidents have been the worst. Abacha, and now Buhari. What a shame. |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 1:09pm On Jun 10, 2021 |
Born2Freak:
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Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Born2Freak(f): 6:04pm On Jun 10, 2021 |
Empiree: You can see that you are an unfortunate being. Even your brother stalwert is quiet on his Buhari support. You are saying 'sai baba' when everyone can see that Buhari is not working. Locally and internationally, every political analyst knows that he is a useless president. You are not well |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 8:30pm On Jun 10, 2021 |
Born2Freak:you lack sense 1 Like |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Born2Freak(f): 8:57pm On Jun 10, 2021 |
Empiree: Is that all you can say? See what religious fanaticism has done to your life. Keep on supporting Buhari. See how your life will turn out. |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 9:02pm On Jun 10, 2021 |
Born2Freak:what's my business with Buhari?.. why did you change my post?. This is against NL rule
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Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Stalwert: 5:45pm On Jun 12, 2021 |
[quote author=Empiree post=102577261][/quote] God bless you sir. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Born2Freak(f): 7:37pm On Jun 12, 2021 |
Empiree: Stalwert: See them. Buhari supporters. Unfortunate people 1 Like |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 8:24pm On Jun 12, 2021 |
Born2Freak:where did I say I support Buhari?. And besides, don't people have right to support whoever they want?. Iru omo wo ni e self? |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Born2Freak(f): 9:23pm On Jun 12, 2021 |
Empiree: Stop living in denial. Don't be that taquiyah muslim |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 11:03pm On Jun 12, 2021 |
Born2Freak:Iru agbako omo wo leleyi. E ma gba mi lowo babe yi ke |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Born2Freak(f): 9:10am On Jun 16, 2021 |
Our two worst presidents are Conservative muslims. Wow I.e. Buhari and Abacha. Empiree, Stalwert......any thoughts?? |
Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 11:27am On Jun 16, 2021 |
Born2Freak:this is why the country doesn't move forward because we put religion coloration in politics. When I said some weeks ago that CHRISTIANITY destroyed NIGERIA economy without elaborating, i knew exactly what I said. I will still not elaborate. So you can hug transformer if you like. Buhari is not your problem. Your problems are your indegenious politicians
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