hardasan:


This brings me question on why he allowed Satan to decieve man,

Satan didn't deceive man, Satan deceived the woman (Eve). Adam decided to fall with his wife because of the love he has for her than watch her being destroyed.
1 Timothy 2:14 (KJV) And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Why was he also angry since He knew beforehand of what will happen?
He was disappointed in man. From the beginning, God made every animal in twos but made only Adam and left Eve inside Adam because he knew what would happen after Eve is created.
Genesis 1:27 (KJV) So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
By not separating Adam and Eve, God gave Adam time to rule the earth and name all the creatures. After God saw the loneliness was too much for man, he brought Eve out from his ribs but he already had a plan in place to redeem man.
1 Peter 1:20-21 (KJV) Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you.
Also see Ephesians 1:4-5 and Romans 8: 29-30
1 Peter says that God has ordained Christ to be the lamb before the foundation of the earth but manifested him in the latter days.

Then the consequent punishment, was it really justified?
Yes because Ezekiel 18:20 (KJV) The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

My question is;

1) why not just enjoy your life even if it means doing bad things to enjoy life?
If you can't enjoy life, why not kill yourself and rest to avoid the sufferings?
There's life after death so be careful for every action.
Romans 14:12 (KJV) So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.


2) Even if there is life after death, what if there is no suffering cos God may decide to give everyone peace after death.
Romans 14:12 (KJV) So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
Matthew 24:35 (KJV) Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

3) Those that didn't hear anything about God, what is their fate?
They will be judged according to their conscience. Did they do good? Did they love their brother ?
Matthew 22:37-40 (KJV) Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
This is the first and great commandment.
And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

4) which of the scriptures is to be trusted?
2 Timothy 3:16 (KJV) All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

May God forgive my ignorance if what I just wrote is bad and punishable.
It's good to seek answers. May God open your eyes of understanding.

He was disappointed in man for doing what he knew man would do, he was disappointed in man for falling due to a flaw he put in man. This makes zero sense friend.

MJBOLT:

Gradually, people will wake to the harsh truth that religion is a scam.

Then how do you explain miracles.

Edusouls:
Anyone that doubts God’s existence is just similar to animals that roam the space..

And anyone who believes that some being just came out from nowhere and can do whatever the fck he wants and still be called good is lower than an animal. It's not only you who can insult.

I stopped reading the bible the day i read numbers 31.

I would like to know where God said i am all-knowing in the Bible, apart from others' offering their opinions of who God is or using that as an exaltation. My point is nobody knows for sure what all-knowing with respect to God actually means. It's unfathomable. You cannot put a tab on it. Infact it's in our lack of understanding of God's power and knowledge that we say he's all-knowing. The word all-knowing is clearly an expression of a lack of knowledge. Not our fault we don't know. We just don't. It's beyond us. And at certain points in all his mercy, he reveals a portion of his glory that may be too much for us to handle.

Kobojunkie:
I don't describe God based on my experiences. I take Him at His Word. Since He says He knows all things... then it means the God I serve knows all things - it does not matter how deep in my mind or His that I have gone with this.

udoji2021:

It is believe that God created the world and knows what happened before, what is happening presently and what will happen later till the end of time. This brings me question on why he allowed Satan to decieve man, why was he also angry since He knew beforehand of what will happen? Then the consequent punishment, was it really justified?

No, your question is not punishable by any God. If God gave you a brain, why will he not want you to use it to think about something that you don't understand?

Well, I am only interested in answering the above because the rest of the question you asked looks very childish.

Having said that, let me proceed.

The story in the bible book of Genesis is not a literal event, rather it's an allegory used to explain principles that has no simpler way to explain it to a kid. It's the same as the wise tortoise you hear about in African mythologies. In African myths a tortoise is said to always trick other animals to win an award. In some tales, the tortoise is said to marry the beautiful daughter of a wealthy king.

But it doesn't mean there was ever a tortoise or daughter or a king or a place. Rather, it's just a story used to teach something.

So is the Genesis story and most stories in the bible.

There was no Adam.

There was no Eve.

There was no garden.

There was no God.

There was no Satan.

All of them are principles. Adam and Eve represent the duality in nature, such as good and bad, right or left, up or down, joy or sadness, God or Satan, hevean and hell, etc. Non of them is tangible.

God, Satan, Adam, Eve, garden, fruit, are all principles used in telling a story just like the tortoise, daughter, king in African legends.

Satan means potential- something like potential energy or energy at rest. It means something that has the potential to change something. In other words, it's something that has the potential to bring the type of new information or knowledge that has been lacking. So, there's nothing bad or evil about Satan.

Those who are into science knows that potential energy is represented as folded spring. And that's why the ancient people represent Satan as snake because the snake is at its full potential to strike when folded not when crawling. Go to Google image and search "potential energy" and you'll see it's repented by folded spring. Any representation with battery is modern

In ancient times (before Europeans) arrived to partake in learning and sharing knowledge with the rest of the world, everything was well understood. Misunderstanding about these things began when the Greeks sojourned in Africa and our African ancestors explained the stories to them like children (as seen in Genesis) but sadly they took it literally and when they assumed power, they imposed this literal interpretation on many other lands they conquered. That's why you, your church and pastors take it literally

The whole purpose of the Genesis story is exactly what happened. The story was told to make you realize that you must always choose knowledge and change at all times. You must not choose ignorance and placidity. The garden of Eden represent placidity and ignorance. That's why the Genesis God indeed allowed Eve to choose knowledge and change. In other words, Satan actually saved humanity first from ignorance and placidity in the garden of Eden (metaphorically speaking) and the second saving happened as Jesus (metaphorically speaking because Jesus is also a principle not a person). When properly understood, you'll realize that Satan and Jesus are one and the same person!

Sorry, but you may not handle this information because it's "satanic", it's radical information, and that's exactly why the story was simplified in the Genesis version.

udoji2021:
I have been thinking about this lately and decide to share it here. Don't get me fellas, I'm a Christian and believe in God and his son Jesus Christ

BUT

It is believe that God created the world and knows what happened before, what is happening presently and what will happen later till the end of time. This brings me question on why he allowed Satan to decieve man, why was he also angry since He knew beforehand of what will happen? Then the consequent punishment, was it really justified?

The most confusing part to me now is life after death. I personally believe that there is heaven and hell right from my childhood days until one guy (Jehovah witness) told me that there is nothing like hell, he went on that even heaven is for a specific number of choose people and not for everyone, above all, he said that when one dies, your own is finished and you are not gonna go anywhere. Simply put, your body and spirit will die.

I nearly insulted him for spewing such rubbish but many years after, I'm beginning to think think twice about this issue.
Now, imagine suffering in this life for all the days of your life only to meet death (body and spirit),

My question is;

1) why not just enjoy your life even if it means doing bad things to enjoy life?
If you can't enjoy life, why not kill yourself and rest to avoid the sufferings?

2) Even if there is life after death, what if there is no suffering cos God may decide to give everyone peace after death.

3) Those that didn't hear anything about God, what is their fate?

4) which of the scriptures is to be trusted?

May God forgive my ignorance if what I just wrote is bad and punishable.

There is raw passion for the Holy Spirit burning inside of your heart, all of the question you ask are quite genuine and deserve an answer, however, the Truth that is trying to grow in your heart cannot be reveal by mere carnal mind or mere teaching from other individuals, it can only be discovered.

Yes, God's word is the truth, and He himself is the Light, in other to discover the treasures of the truth (Which is hidden in the secret places) then you first need the Light, and thereafter, the truth will strike your innermost part and be with you forever.

That will be a brief explanation of your journey.

Accept the Holy Ghost into your Spirit, speak in the other tongue, pursue fellowship with God fervently, acknowledge His presence in you, then you will become the truth yourself.

Kobojunkie:
What does he need support for? He asked questions using the brain that God designed and gave him to use for that very purpose. Are you here trying to give the devil credit for God's work?

it seems you are a confused human being.

Eberex:



So you believe in the BIG BANG THEORY then

A scientific theory is not meant to believed, it not faith.... A theory is only valid if it fit observation and can predict future things.... If there is any observation that does not fit into d big bang theory, then the theory is either modified or discarded... Well d big bang theory is incomplete but still explains some things but doesn't explain d origin of d universe or where d laws of physics are d way it is.... Make una no Kee una because of God.... Hundreds of millions of people have died bcosbof dat name
Peace out���

benji93:
I would like to know where God said i am all-knowing in the Bible, apart from others' offering their opinions of who God is or using that as an exaltation. My point is nobody knows for sure what all-knowing with respect to God actually means. It's unfathomable. You cannot put a tab on it. Infact it's in our lack of understanding of God's power and knowledge that we say he's all-knowing. The word all-knowing is clearly an expression of a lack of knowledge. Not our fault we don't know. We just don't. It's beyond us. And at certain points in all his mercy, he reveals a portion of his glory that may be too much for us to handle.

Example of this is found in Isaiah 46 vs 10 where God declared, “In the beginning, I told you what would happen in the end. A long time ago, I told you things that have not happened yet. When I plan something, it happens. I do whatever I want to do." So if God says He knows the end from the beginning, it means God meant what He said.

adeshna:


First, you haven't even read the Quran to justify what you just said regards killing people of other faith for Jihad. That's a big misconception people have. Killing people so you can get your place in heaven, getting 7 or 70 virgins as reward for killing others, and all sorts of things like Jihad.

You haven't even stated any contradictions regards the Quran. You stated two things killing others, then women which are two different things. But you stated that of the bible clearly.

Africans blacks do not read, they only listen to religious teachers, they don't have time reading. That's why they can be fooled easily. You heard, you never read the Quran itself, then you shouldn't say it so you won't mislead others.

I don't want to discriminate, but go look at the whites, they create time to read and not to listen to what people say. So they conclude which book or religion answers their questions. That's why a specific religion is stated as the fasted growing religion in the world. It's growing faster in Europe, America, than the said african countries.

Try watch this video, it's a historian, journalist who specializes in america politics, history and religion. Gary Wills .. you will learn from it.

It's a sincere view of his research. Though some of his perceptions is not right. Just a few that is not noticeable. But 95% is goo

Anyone can watch.

You can view on youtube reduce resolution to watch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6NWfVWxqSM

Alright, thanks. I'll try and view that.

Kobojunkie:
What tree are calling evil? The tree was not evil.... the only evil done was Adam choice to disobey God's only God's direct Law - sin.

Adam and Eve made the decision to doom all mankind by their choice.

And u believe that story, like it made sense to u?

blazepascal:
it seems you are a confused human being.

I am confused because I believe God who designed and built the human brain. the massive judgement making machine that it is, does not frown upon our asking of questions?

My Confusion About God And The Scriptures. by udoji2021: 8:34am

I have been thinking about this lately and decide to share it here. Don't get me fellas, I'm a Christian and believe in God and his son Jesus Christ

BUT

It is believe that God created the world and knows what happened before, what is happening presently and what will happen later till the end of time. This brings me question on why he allowed Satan to decieve man, why was he also angry since He knew beforehand of what will happen? Then the consequent punishment, was it really justified?

The most confusing part to me now is life after death. I personally believe that there is heaven and hell right from my childhood days until one guy (Jehovah witness) told me that there is nothing like hell, he went on that even heaven is for a specific number of choose people and not for everyone, above all, he said that when one dies, your own is finished and you are not gonna go anywhere. Simply put, your body and spirit will die.

I nearly insulted him for spewing such rubbish but many years after, I'm beginning to think think twice about this issue.
Now, imagine suffering in this life for all the days of your life only to meet death (body and spirit),

My question is;

1) why not just enjoy your life even if it means doing bad things to enjoy life?
If you can't enjoy life, why not kill yourself and rest to avoid the sufferings?

2) Even if there is life after death, what if there is no suffering cos God may decide to give everyone peace after death.

3) Those that didn't hear anything about God, what is their fate?

4) which of the scriptures is to be trusted?

May God forgive my ignorance if what I just wrote is bad and punishable.

The questions you have posed are among such that has puzzled even the greatest thinkers in humanity, and continues to. I’ll try to keep my own responses as simple as I can, but know that these are deep and complex issues, but we can all be guided by the morality in our hearts, which, more often than not, point us towards something close to the right direction. To your queries:
1. Why not just enjoy your life even if it means doing bad things to enjoy life?
If you can't enjoy life, why not kill yourself and rest to avoid the sufferings?
Let me start by addressing the first part of your first question.
Nature, as we know, has designed in it, a reward system, or as it is commonly put, you reap what you sow. Another very fundamental issue most people need to understand is the difference between instant gratification and delayed gratification. Basically, when you cut corners, or break rules for immediate gains, your reward may be immediate but in the short term. The downside is that there is always a negative consequence for short-circuiting the natural order.
In essence, when you decide to enjoy life, even by doing bad stuff, you would end up “gaining the whole world, but losing your soul.” So, you might indeed enjoy life in the short term, but lose it altogether in the long term. Not only that, but by some measure, all evil deeds will be rewarded in like manner. The details of this may not be very explicit in the Bible, but it is clear we would all be judged and punished according to our deeds/sins.
With regards to committing suicide, due to the nature of life that God has placed in living things, of which we are prime, we mostly yearn for more life; a better, longer and more pleasurable living, only a few go for the suicide option. What is the reward for suicide, bereft of malevolence? Well, I believe it would definitely be less than living an oppressive and wicked life!
2) Even if there is life after death, what if there is no suffering cos God may decide to give everyone peace after death?
That is most unlikely because it would be against the natural order. (By natural order, I mean life and nature as we understand it, with or without the belief in deities). When the Bible says, the wages of sin is death, it means it in the most unequivocal of terms. It is a rehash of the original warning God gave Adam and Eve in Eden; if you eat of the fruit, you will die. Some people take it as a punishment, I rather see it as a consequence of one’s failing. If someone tells you that if you jump down from a 5-storey building you will break your leg and die, would you call that a “punishment”? God did not say “I will kill you.” Rather, the ordered system of life, which was designed to support man living for eternity, was already designed that way and is not going to change.
Just to throw a little more insight, it is because the consequence of man’s sin was already set that Christ’s coming did not ransom man from dying in immediate terms, in this life, but gave man hope of a second life, after serving for the consequence of losing this life. So I don’t think God would give everyone peace after death, but rather would recreate a system of peace and tranquility for those who prove worthy of it.
3) Those that didn't hear anything about God, what is their fate?
This is one question that mainstream Christianity hardly addresses. I have always pondered what the essence of judgement is, if there is no chance to retrace once steps and repent. Much of God’s justice system is already reflected in our human judicial system. A first offender faces less punishment than a repeat offender; all crimes do not bear the same fine/sentence; even a death sentence can be commuted to life sentence!
I was born into a faith that teaches there would be a period of a thousand years after “all that are in the grave” are brought back to life. Like you mentioned about the Jehovah’s Witnesses, we also do not believe “hell fire” to be an eternity in burning fire, but a second death which would be made final at the end of the millennium reign of Christ. (Rev 21: While the thousand years would be for judgement and restoration of the paradise originally designed by God in Eden, there would be a period of a hundred years, within the thousand, where those who never had the opportunity to know God, would be made known of His person, the person of Christ and then practice their ways. (John 17:3; Isaiah 65:20) Have you ever wondered the fate of babies, who are mostly innocent, but born into sin (as all Adam’s descendants are) and have not gained the intelligence to know Christ or understand and practice his ways? Would they be granted automatic salvation, even if they are born as sinners? That does not add up. That is why I believe there would be a second chance, for those who deserve it.

4) Which of the scriptures is to be trusted?
Well, you can start by trusting Christ! According to one writer, for all the claims that Christ made, he had to be either the real deal or he was simply mad. Two proclamations (among others) of Jesus Christ that single him as the real deal, for me, are his claim to be the “only way/path to life and to the Father.” While almost all other mainstream religions in the world strive to tap into the authenticity of Christ’s persona by alluding him a high sense of credibility, Christ himself denounced any other teaching, religion or practice that did not have bearing in his own teachings. Secondly, knowing how hard the powers of the world would try to destroy the influence of his teachings on the world, even after his crucifixion, and how they would fail; Christ himself warned of how they would resort to adulterating his teachings, any by so doing, cause many to fall. This is why I laugh at those who claim to be Christians, yet can’t seem to comprehend why there are soooo many different versions of the scriptures out there. We were warned, so we need to be careful.
Effectively, pay close attention to the teachings of Christ and try to practice them, as humanly possible as you can! No church or pastor can save you; infact many will mislead you! Most importantly, live a Christly life (I deliberately avoided the words Christian and godly), while you seek the right church to practice your faith and enjoy community with like believers. If you follow Christ, even in the wrong church, you will be saved. Conversely, if you fail to follow Christ, while attending the “right” church, you will not be saved.
I hope my effort is well received and appreciated. Blessings to a truth-seeker.

Techguy96:

And u believe that story, like it made sense to u?

Why? Would you rather I believe as you do instead?

Kobojunkie:
They perished when they died .I.e. they were returned back to dust from which they were made.

bros have you hear anything like reincarnation?

JeffreyOraz:

The authors of the Bible were human
And the Catholic Church teaches that no man on Earth can truly understand any celestial (heavenly) being. It is what the Church refers to as a MYSTERY. God is a mystery.

Please forgive me for being pointed, Catholic church is about blindness and darkness, and keeping their already blind flock in further and deeper blindness through their favourite word called mystery, knowing they do not see.

Whereas God Clearly Said "His Secret is with those who love him and they know all things".

So Catholic church is a Liar! Forgive me for being pointed!

JeffreyOraz:

Besides, because you know the future does not mean you must always act like you do.

You, would know the future and act as though you do not know because you can be harmed. That is not the case with God,

So, you are wrong.

There is no pleasure or pain to be given in foresight hence there would not be the reward of Blessings for Excellence and Cursings/Curses for great disappointments.

Workch:
First of all, I will address your topic. Is it not laughable to think that an omniscient being gives freewill?
How can freewill and omniscience be compatible?
In reality, there’s no evidence for spirits, it’s a lie that dogmatists hold on to even when they cannot prove it.

Your religion is a function of mainly where you were born, how you were bred and the kind of people that influenced your life. There’s nothing divine about it.

We have more than 4,000 religions and every single one of them think theirs is the truth. For someone who was born in IRaq, he thinks that someone born in southeast Nigeria, who’s most likely going to be a Christian will go to hell. It’s vice-versa.

And the lies goes on, we that are irreligious see all these and just allow you people paddle your boats of self-deceit and delusion.

You haven't read bible well that was the reason you have this kind of knowledge about God.

Please read the bible to know what bible is saying then you will be cleared about these your questions.

What we need to know is that > this world is maya{just an illusion}, its temporal, all its beauties and ugliness ll fade away[/] >[b]there is God and our brain cant comprehend Him >dont kill yourself trying to find God outside of you,He is right inside you >all the division or variation in cultures, religions,creeds in life is orchestrated by God >after death,no form of earthly awareness again >there is no separation in forms, names, religions etc cos all these are illusions, we got these and we blindly follow and kill ourselves cos of dis [i]my advice is that stop thinking about who God is, where is God, what ll happen after death etc all those ones are not important here, live your life as if u are rendering it as a temple to ur maker and live it as if you are nt expecting any reward for ur good deeds and godly deeds, live it as if tomorrow u ll die, live it just to please your creator, Allah, Jehovah, Olodumare, Chineke,Divine intelligenc etcwhatever name you call

Igbojihadist:
bros have you hear anything like reincarnation?

Sure, I have but that is not a concept covered in any of God's Laws that I know of.

SegFault:

He was disappointed in man for doing what he knew man would do, he was disappointed in man for falling due to a flaw he put in man. This makes zero sense friend.

Don't misquote me, man did not fall. Man decided to ride or die with Eve because of the love he has for Eve and that's not a flaw. That's a characteristic of the Almighty Himself. He could have destroyed them both and created another set of humans but the Almighty decided to redeem them against all odds. That's absolute love and only one with the spirit of God can love to that capacity and that's why love is the greatest commandment.

Kobojunkie:
Sure, I have but that is not a concept covered in any of God's Laws that I know of.

but do you believe in it

Techguy96:

What fact is that, abeg drop it again, till date I have not seen any reasonable logical argument for the existence of any God.

Exactly like you, there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING IN THIS WORLD AND ON THIS WORLD WHICH CREATED ITSELF, whether animals or phone or car or You or table or mannequin or robot.

A Creator is always Outside and Beyond the reach of his creation exactly as iPhone and Steve Jobs, Mr. Toyoda to his Corolla and a Carpenter to his chair.

He Who we call God is Outside and Beyond our reach, since we never ever created ourselves.

Simple Proof! And nobody has been able to provide a reasonable and valid counter.

kingxsamz:


You go defend tire today bros.

bros oh, bros oh! Eh I don enter kidnapper hand!

[quote author=Workch post=103249369]First of all, I will address your topic. Is it not laughable to think that an omniscient being gives freewill?
How can freewill and omniscience be compatible?
In reality, there’s no evidence for spirits, it’s a lie that dogmatists hold on to even when they cannot prove it.

Your religion is a function of mainly where you were born, how you were bred and the kind of people that influenced your life. There’s nothing divine about it.

We have more than 4,000 religions and every single one of them think theirs is the truth. For someone who was born in IRaq, he thinks that someone born in southeast Nigeria, who’s most likely going to be a Christian will go to hell. It’s vice-versa.

And the lies goes on, we that are irreligious see all these and just allow you people paddle your boats of self-deceit and delusion. Does this sound logical
, the fact that there are many religion does not prove non existence of God except you come to Him in genuine repentance you can understand God, your logic can not change they fact that God is the almighty believe it for ur good disbelief it u face the consequences

Workch:
The Christian concept of a god has failed all test and if everyone should be sincere, we know he doesn’t exist. They are just trying hard to hold on to the lies in the stories by concocting more lies.

People will always feel threatened when you tell them their god doesn’t exist even when you present overwhelming evidence. That’s how dogmatism work.

The Christian description of a god is laughable, illogical, ridiculous and overwhelmingly irrational. It doesn’t agree with anything in reality.

My thoughts exactly

BananaPeel:

It's either your mum didn't study the scriptures or you refused to learn.
Many of us feel those around us is the standard for measuring Christianity. Read the gospel and see the life of Christ and you will understand what Christianity is.

Like I said most over religious people lacks what is called logic. not more than 200 years ago, Christianity was brought to Nigerians and The people that introduced that religion to you don't practice it as much in the present day. they practice realistics. what makes you think you understood a borrowed religion more than the borrower? You see this is the reason why our society is in a mess. you claim to know Christ and yet very wicked and hateful towards your neighbors. when last did you help someone in need near you? brother Christianity, Islam whatever are all man made. seek the true god within you and you will see clearly.

Dtruthspeaker:


bros oh, bros oh! Eh I don enter kidnapper hand!

No worry, you go escape.

Igbojihadist:
but do you believe in it

Not really! I have no need to believe in it.

Oldboss:

your body returns to dust while your spirit moved beyond the Cosmo's

YOU ARE YOUR BODY! The spirit simply means the breath of life that makes you a living person. See Genesis 2:7

Edusouls:
He has animal brains, cos anyone that doubts God’s existence is just similar to animals, he may even become the killer tomorrow cos not believe in God makes someone live anyhow and dangerously, so people should keep off from him..

That's true.
You have a point. Most people in Nigeria believe in a god. That's why Nigeria is very safe and free from crime. The average person in Nigeria is a trustworthy person because he /she already believes in a god. You're right.

Carchoice:


I’m even more surprised you believe Adam and Eve story.

Sure, all evidence reasonably point in that direction.

People are very wicked and evil, crime section proves it.

All histories of everything point to it whether crime, law, society, philosophy, etc.

The Truth is in the past and the Bible has unimpeachable evidence.