Workch:
The Christian concept of a god has failed all test and if everyone should be sincere, we know he doesn’t exist. They are just trying hard to hold on to the lies in the stories by concocting more lies.

People will always feel threatened when you tell them their god doesn’t exist even when you present overwhelming evidence. That’s how dogmatism work.

The Christian description of a god is laughable, illogical, ridiculous and overwhelmingly irrational. It doesn’t agree with anything in reality.

Did you say illogical?

udoji2021:
I have been thinking about this lately and decide to share it here. Don't get me fellas, I'm a Christian and believe in God and his son Jesus Christ

BUT

It is believe that God created the world and knows what happened before, what is happening presently and what will happen later till the end of time. This brings me question on why he allowed Satan to decieve man, why was he also angry since He knew beforehand of what will happen? Then the consequent punishment, was it really justified?

The most confusing part to me now is life after death. I personally believe that there is heaven and hell right from my childhood days until one guy (Jehovah witness) told me that there is nothing like hell, he went on that even heaven is for a specific number of choose people and not for everyone, above all, he said that when one dies, your own is finished and you are not gonna go anywhere. Simply put, your body and spirit will die.

I nearly insulted him for spewing such rubbish but many years after, I'm beginning to think think twice about this issue.
Now, imagine suffering in this life for all the days of your life only to meet death (body and spirit),

My question is;

1) why not just enjoy your life even if it means doing bad things to enjoy life?
If you can't enjoy life, why not kill yourself and rest to avoid the sufferings?

2) Even if there is life after death, what if there is no suffering cos God may decide to give everyone peace after death.

3) Those that didn't hear anything about God, what is their fate?

4) which of the scriptures is to be trusted?

May God forgive my ignorance if what I just wrote is bad and punishable.

I’ll reply later

Threebear:

So when they Lord allegedly told them that can eat from every other fruit from the garden except the tree of life , he was telling them that they can have sex with monkeys , baboons , hippopotamus etc except with themselves ?

You meant to type Tree of Knowledge of what is Good And Bad??

udoji2021:
y

You are not getting the point sir, equating God with a mere human is not proper. According to scriptures, He supposed to know what will happen right from the time he was making man cos he knows what will happen till the end of time. Why then did he went ahead to make man that will be punished severely later?

a little research and thinking and you'll discard religion like some of us and then your eyes will truly open!!

udoji2021:
y

You are not getting the point sir, equating God with a mere human is not proper. According to scriptures, He supposed to know what will happen right from the time he was making man cos he knows what will happen till the end of time. Why then did he went ahead to make man that will be punished severely later?

a little research and thinking and you'll discard religion like some of us and then your eyes will truly open!!
If you don't mind, check out my profiles and posts on nairaland, i was once a religious dumb head

Workch:
The Christian concept of a god has failed all test and if everyone should be sincere, we know he doesn’t exist. They are just trying hard to hold on to the lies in the stories by concocting more lies.

People will always feel threatened when you tell them their god doesn’t exist even when you present overwhelming evidence. That’s how dogmatism work.


The Christian description of a god is laughable, illogical, ridiculous and overwhelmingly irrational. It doesn’t agree with anything in reality.

Your brain is full of sawn dust

Kobojunkie:
1. You want us to believe that you did a comparative analysis of the quran and the Bible and you landed on something only from reading from a book a man wrote of a dream/vision he had? You are kidding right?

How does the word "eternal" translate to the word "another"?

You need to go sleep abeg!

em chiyaman am not here to criticize anyone belief but rather to shared more light on the concept of God
Allah says in the Holy Quran:

“… Those who follow the Messenger, the Immaculate One, whom they find mentioned in the Torah and the Gospel which are with them.” Al-Quran 7:158.
The Promised Comforter of the Gospel
The prophecy runs as follows:

“If ye love me, keep my commands. And I will pray to the Father and He shall give you another Comforter. That he may abide with you forever; even the Spirit of truth.” (John 14:15-17)

“But the Comforter which is the Holy Ghost whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things..” (John 14:26)

Again:

“Nevertheless, I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away, for if I go not away the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.” (John 16:7)

“I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth; for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak; and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me.” (John 16:12-14)
Read ur bible content by content and context by context..i pray the spirit of the lord guide u and i ameen

“… Those who follow the Messenger, the Immaculate One, whom they find mentioned in the Torah and the Gospel which are with them.” Al-Quran 7:158.
The Promised Comforter of the Gospel
The prophecy runs as follows:

“If ye love me, keep my commands. And I will pray to the Father and He shall give you another Comforter. That he may abide with you forever; even the Spirit of truth.” (John 14:15-17)

“But the Comforter which is the Holy Ghost whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things..” (John 14:26)

Again:

“Nevertheless, I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away, for if I go not away the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.” (John 16:7)

“I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth; for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak; and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me.” (John 16:12-14)[color=#990000][/color] delve into inter relagious study and be open ro find who God is

Phiniter:


what do you call miracles? buying if cars and building houses?

countries with no affiliation to your sky daddy have better houses and cars than you...

there's nothing exclusive to you. even our forefathers before the advent of the missionaries were going into the forest to face wild animals and come back alive. they gave birth, the ate etc, things you consider miracles today...

religion is the biggest scam ever perpetuated

I don't mean those kinds of "miracles" you mentioned above.

Haven't you ever witnessed healing of the crippled or the sick, whether live or on a TV program by a well known pastor ( tb Joshua for example).

How about money rituals?

HIbreed:
a little research and thinking and you'll discard religion like some of us and then your eyes will truly open!!
If you don't mind, check out my profiles and posts on nairaland, i was once a religious dumb head

Congratulations!

Hell fire is waiting for you

Threebear:

So when they Lord allegedly told them that can eat from every other fruit from the garden except the tree of life , he was telling them that they can have sex with monkeys , baboons , hippopotamus etc except with themselves ?

But my brother,, you no well ooo..
I've never ever thought it from this your direction sef.
We will look into it shaa

Repent of your sins, the Kingdom of God is at hand

kingxsamz:


Story story... Go and do my assignment first, then I'll read your rants.

Assignment kwa?

Is this how dishonest you are? I am schooling you and helping you be a better person not to be going around and claim things you dont know. You are talking of assignment? You that ran from thread to thread dropping unproven claim will have assignment to give? You need to sit somewhere and throw away your phone so that you can focus on proper learning and reading of text before claiming knowledge.

You know absolutely nothing about things you say here after my several observations.
You can try comedy in real life Bro. It may suit you that this critical view with no knowledge base you are carrying.

kingxsamz:


I don't need lectures from someone who says the universe has feelings. Sounds very unintelligent to me.

you see why I say you sound unintelligent ...Sorry I don't mean to insult you...There was an article i posted which was said to be findings from some scientists...You are here quoting that I said so...anyways...enjoy ur day....believe in what you believe, its no body's business.....

But remember, Its better for you to live ur life as if there is life after death and discover there is none after you die than not living ur life accordingly only for you to discover there is one....

I wish you well knowing I was once like you...but that was in my teens into 20s

Kobojunkie:
Wow... you didn't shy away from almost writing an epistle, this rather than provide an answer to what ought to be a simple question.

You told someone that he should focus on Jesus Christ saving him and the logical question that should follow is from what are we saved from.

You see...I was right not to answer you...
Baba..The guy should be the one asking questions on what I suggested to him...
I will be glad to give an answer.

keppler:

what do you call miracles? buying if cars and building houses?
countries with no affiliation to your sky daddy have better houses and cars than you...
I wished you had allowed him to explain what he calls miracle before you used your own definition to refute him. Of course, the second line becomes a straw man if that is not his definition of miracles.
Then, I laugh when I see wannabe atheist use the LEARNED WORD "sky daddy", that is another strawman. No Christian believes in a sky daddy. It is more reasonable to engage an opponent's argument truthfully.

there's nothing exclusive to you. even our forefathers before the advent of the missionaries were going into the forest to face wild animals and come back alive. they gave birth, the ate etc, things you consider miracles today...
You seem to elucidate on your definition of miracle but this again is another strawman from a Christian perspective. Most of us see the natural workings of the universe (such as breathing, reproduction, gravity, workings of physical constants, etc) as common way through which God upholds his creation and see miracles (such as parting the red sea, or the various events in the medical field which are beyond the reach of that field) as SPECIAL way (for specific purposes) through which God upholds his creation.

parting of the sea? hahaha...

first of all, show me a proof other than from your Bible where seas are parted and I'll show you a flying man.

tell me what special miracles are exclusive to you the so called God serving Christians that is beyond the Chinese atheist... mention one please

udoji2021:


My question is;

1) why not just enjoy your life even if it means doing bad things to enjoy life?
If you can't enjoy life, why not kill yourself and rest to avoid the sufferings?

To enjoy your life while doing bad - also remember the scripture that says we will reap what we sow (karma) is real that's natural law that gauid the earth and human. The expectation of punishment on hell does not exist.

udoji2021:

2) Even if there is life after death, what if there is no suffering cos God may decide to give everyone peace after death.

There is life after death that is known as ( reincarnation ) we are soul live in a body when we die our soul continue living , in this case we will return to earth to continue reaping what we sow...... the bible actually mention this but I can't point out the chapter...... but will find out and revert

udoji2021:

3) Those that didn't hear anything about God, what is their fate .

Have you ask yourself this question! What happen to our fore -fathers who died before Christianity or religious came to us (Nigeria ) what actually happen to them? They are me and you who is currently existing on earth .... meaning reincarnation effect.

quote author=udoji2021 post=103248922]
4) which of the scriptures is to be trusted?. [/quote]

Don't really know but there are contradictions in most verses in the bible and i can advise you to have an open mind and study other people religious book for research purpose then you can understand life better and not to be deceived by religious sentimental people.

patani:


you see why I say you sound unintelligent ...Sorry I don't mean to insult you...There was an article i posted which was said to be findings from some scientists...You are here quoting that I said so...anyways...enjoy ur day....believe in what you believe, its no body's business.....

But remember, Its better for you to live ur life as if there is life after death and discover there is none after you die than not living ur life accordingly only for you to discover there is one....

I wish you well knowing I was once like you...but that was in my teens into 20s

Lol, seems like we're dragging who's unintelligent here.
I don't need to waste my time on an article which says "some" scientists "believe" the universe has feelings. That's something for theists like you to feed on.
If you were even smart in anyway, you'd know that there are also scientists who believe in heaven and hell, the same way these ones believe that the universe has feelings.
Funny how the word "believe" is being used on a supposed scientific research which you have regarded as a fact.
Do scientists believe that gravity exists, or is it a fact? Feelings ko. And you claim to be smart.

patani:

But remember, Its better for you to live ur life as if there is life after death and discover there is none after you die than not living ur life accordingly only for you to discover there is one....

Coming from a supposed intelligent person. one should live a life full of delusions and fairy tales because of the hope for an after life which no one has been able to prove.
And by after life, I'm guessing it's the Christian version of Heaven. Funny guy.

hupernikao:


Assignment kwa?

Is this how dishonest you are? I am schooling you and helping you be a better person not to be going around and claim things you dont know. You are talking of assignment? You that ran from thread to thread dropping unproven claim will have assignment to give? You need to sit somewhere and throw away your phone so that you can focus on proper learning and reading of text before claiming knowledge.

You know absolutely nothing about things you say here after my several observations.
You can try comedy in real life Bro. It may suit you that this critical view with no knowledge base you are carrying.

Story story.
I don't know why you're wasting your time writing all these. I'm not reading them. Do my assignment first then come back and talk reasonably about your observations.

kingxsamz:


Coming from a supposed intelligent person. one should live a life full of delusions and fairy tales because of the hope for an after life which no one has been able to prove.
And by after life, I'm guessing it's the Christian version of Heaven. Funny guy.

Have you watched my proposed documentary on consciousness after death....

You can come back and analyze it logically to me then we can talk

patani:


Have you watched my proposed documentary on consciousness after death....

You can come back and analyze it logically to me then we can talk

What next?
I would watch a documentary about heaven, hell and Angels?

Techguy96:

Lol, so what about houses, If I build a house, I can't enter inside the house because I created the house.
How dumb can you be with ur argument.

So according to you, it's possible for things to just start existing so long there are not in OR on this world.

U have not made any reasonable logical argument, ur argument holds no water.

"If I build a house!" ARE YOU NOT THE CREATOR OUTSIDE of that house when you build it?

Are You Not Always Outside the house until you choose to go visit it and even enter it, at your will and pleasure?

That was my point, Creators are Always Outside and Beyond their creations.

I did not say that A Creator can not enter inside its Creation, So ANOTHER CHANGE OF POST AGAIN!

Therefore, you still have no reasonable and valid counter!

Dtruthspeaker:


"If I build a house!" ARE YOU NOT THE CREATOR OUTSIDE of that house when you build it?

Are You Not Always Outside the house until you choose to go visit it and even enter it, at your will and pleasure?

That was my point, Creators are Always Outside and Beyond their creations.

I did not say that A Creator can not enter inside its Creation, So ANOTHER CHANGE OF POST AGAIN!

Therefore, you still have no reasonable and valid counter!

trash

kingxsamz:


What next?
I would watch a documentary about heaven, hell and Angels?

You are not an Intresting person to have conversation with...u can't even give me facts, articles or theory to prove ur position... I'll stop here n leave u.. Enjoy

BTW, for your entertainment watch this

https://www.facebook.com/100015636661320/posts/1025210518010161/?sfnsn=scwspwa

I won't answer ur comment again by theway... U waste my time

Goodnigga:
obviously, you are not a scientist, of which I am, secondly, read Einstein work on relativity and big bang theory too. Christian God? The Christian God is the universal God not because of religion but being a researcher all universal laws conform to the expressions of the bible.

It seems you just started reading up about stuffs. Theory of relativity never talked about cause and effect.
If everything has a cause then god must have a cause, if you exclude god from the rule then you would have committed a fallacy of special pleading.

Go and read about “turtles all the way down”.

Dtruthspeaker:


"If I build a house!" ARE YOU NOT THE CREATOR OUTSIDE of that house when you build it?

Are You Not Always Outside the house until you choose to go visit it and even enter it, at your will and pleasure?

That was my point, Creators are Always Outside and Beyond their creations.

I did not say that A Creator can not enter inside its Creation, So ANOTHER CHANGE OF POST AGAIN!

Therefore, you still have no reasonable and valid counter!

Its no longer funny but you sense of reasoning is laughable. Seriously, I am surprised that a human can have such low intelligent quotient.

patani:


You are not an Intresting person to have conversation with...

Neither are you an intelligent person to conversate with.

u can't ​even give me facts, articles or theory to prove ur position

Wtf is this?
I should give you facts and articles to prove what position? My position about angels, heaven and after life being a delusion after you claimed they were real? Are you not the one making the claim? Do you think everyone is like you who relies on articles to make points on the internet when one could just use his brain? You even went ahead to post an article which says "some scientists believe" the universe is conscious. Are you that dull that you can't differentiate between beliefs and facts?

I won't answer ur comment again by theway... U waste my time

Yeah, take your L and walk away. You haven't said anything reasonable asides claims about after life, heaven, gods and angels which you can't prove. Good day.

blahc007:

You see...I was right not to answer you...
Baba..The guy should be the one asking questions on what I suggested to him...
I will be glad to give an answer.

Ok

I advise any one who has one doubt or the other in the existence of Almighty God or Religion as the case may be should read up the copy Quran

Workch:
It seems you just started reading up about stuffs. Theory of relativity never talked about cause and effect.
If everything has a cause then god must have a cause, if you exclude god from the rule then you would have committed a fallacy of special pleading.

Go and read about “turtles all the way down”.

Banal argument, then who caused the Cause that caused God. This is an unnecessary chain reaction question.

Workch:
Its no longer funny but you sense of reasoning is laughable. Seriously, I am surprised that a human can have such low intelligent quotient.

If you have Any Valid and Reasonable Counter present it and Stop crying over your inability to proffer a response which discharges the Fact That All Creators are Always Outside and Beyond their creations.