Phiniter:

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Translation; I no fit counter ooooh! So make I talk dustbin

I’m really loving this thought-provoking discussion about religion and it’s elements. Broadly speaking, it’s really one of the age long questions which continues to churn out more questions than answers over the years. The truth is, questions about “the source(s) of our existence and all in it; as well as the uncreated creator(uncaused cause)”, will never be answered even in our lifetime. That’s why we have many religions. Each laying claim to worship the true being(God;the English name associated with that true being). Of course, I’m not here to write for or against the existence of God or gods. Much better minds, both in the past and present, are yet to arrive at that single answer. However, some life phenomena defy physical(scientific)explanations. Of which, outrightly wishing such complex or mysterious phenomena away, doesn’t make it not to exist or true. How I wish I have time, I would have written my personal true life story to back up my statement above. Though not to prove the existence of God as portrayed by various religions. But to point out that, human knowledge about his existence and its components, is very much limited. There are many things about life that do not follow logical or scientific process

Eriokanmi:
Personalise whatever you're saying . You may have failed due to your unbelief and perverse ways. Many ignorant people like you don't even believe one could hear God speak like when a speaker is placed by yourself, hearing Him clearly...they never believe. Several of your type don't even believe there's ancestral war which you must fight to finish before you can excel in life, though not many people do encounter this. Some would follow same path with you and make it while you're still struggling to put food at your desk...if you seek the face of God things will be alright.

Here's just a little story on my experience and encounter work God.

OP, please seek God's face God still answers prayers and you'd have cause to laugh, believe.

...and to those homosapens evolution believers , you're in a serious bondage and being deceived by the devil. Taste God and you'd wish you had known Him earlier. God is real, knowing God is super sweet cos I'm a living witness.

There is complete difference between SPIRITUALITY and RELIGIOUS. Someone who don't believe in any religion could as well experince same thing you just explain, the problem we have is that most of us have been filled up with religious dogma and wrong teaching which is affecting our believe system. People has different encounter spiritually and without going to any where they resolve it themselves.

Kobojunkie:
Abegi! He does not need more doctrines and traditions shoved at him. What He needs is clear understanding and obviously that is not something you have their yourself.

Understanding of what? Even you need clear understanding. A man of understanding doesn’t just jump into conclusions.

Goodnigga:
Banal argument, then who caused the Cause that caused God. This is an unnecessary chain reaction question.

So how do we figure where the chain stop?
Why must it stop at your own God?
This is why it will turtle all the way down

biggy26:

Understanding of what? Even you need clear understanding. A man of understanding doesn’t just jump into conclusions.

He asked you questions and you instead shove the very same doctrines, that he screams are filled with confusion, at him.

What he wants is understanding of that which he asks, not more delusions.

Kobojunkie:
All he has done here is admit that he is not convinced by the lie he has been fed by your Mogs. What sin has he committed?

Your thought..No argument here..

emaseriki:
Here is to clear your confusion.
1. God created man, and that man is a spirit which is genderless. Then he made an earth suit for him called to body adaptable to the earth realm. So when a man dies, his body return to where it comes from and also the spirit. Remember the spirit called man which God created has a soul and when a man dies it is his soul that will be judged and not his spirit because his spirit will return to it's maker.
2. God knows before hand all happenings both in heaven and on earth but the beings he created are not robot: he gave them the WILL to do as they pleased.
3. Those that didn't hear about God (Christ) will be judged according to their conduct (conscience).

So far what I understand is that "we are spirit which is our soul that lives in the body and when we die our body goes back to dust while the soul which is spirit goes back to his owner" who decied what happen thereafter. meanwhile the spirit can not be judge so nothing like judgement we reap what we sow right on earth , is a natural law on the inhabitants of the earth.
Now you are confusing soul and spirit
Please can you explain different between a SOUL and SPIRIT ?
Can you also explain which of these goes to hell when death come? does spirit consumed by fire?

udoji2021:
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You are reasoning in the right direction. Kudos. As far as I know, no religion is valid. They're all man made. The evidences against religion are overwhelming

Workch:
So how do we figure where the chain stop?
Why must it stop at your own God?
This is why it will turtle all the way down

then it will stop at your own God. Tell me his name with proof that he is god

Kobojunkie:
According to Jesus Christ, no one can enter into the Kingdom of God without first being born again - John 3 vs 1 - 10. And He also said that there are two gates into this Kingdom of God - the broad gate which leads to Hell and the narrow gate which leads to Heaven - Matthew 7 vs 13 - 14. So,clearly, it is not enough to be born-again. One must ensure he walks In through the narrow gate in order to enter into the door that leads to Heaven, a door which only a few will find.

All these are idiomatic expressions nothing like narrow and broad gate in reality. ..

emaseriki:
Here is to clear your confusion.
1. God created man, and that man is a spirit which is genderless. Then he made an earth suit for him called to body adaptable to the earth realm. So when a man dies, his body return to where it comes from and also the spirit. Remember the spirit called man which God created has a soul and when a man dies it is his soul that will be judged and not his spirit because his spirit will return to it's maker.
2. God knows before hand all happenings both in heaven and on earth but the beings he created are not robot: he gave them the WILL to do as they pleased.
3. Those that didn't hear about God (Christ) will be judged according to their conduct (conscience).

your religion is as a result of your upbringing and who and what influenced your reasoning. Stop thinking it's unique. Other religion followers think they're right too.

I never for once thought that christianity would be the right religion when I was religious. Till now I still believe that christianity is man made, but I've added Islam to the list

HRprof:

All these are idiomatic expressions nothing like narrow and broad gate in reality. ..

Idiomatic expressions of what?

And what reality do you speak of? That of the Kingdom of God?

Kobojunkie:
He asked you questions and you instead shove the very same doctrines, that he screams are filled with confusion, at him.

What he wants is understanding of that which he asks, not more delusions.

What is delusional about what I said. Where does understanding come from? Please correct any wrong statement I made and I will gladly respect your opinion or wisdom.
I have dealt with some peeps here privately on different issues I know quite well, I don’t dabble into things I don’t know. If he feels he wants clarity, he can contact anyone privately, including you. That one person couldn’t help you, doesn’t mean someone else can’t. Pls, keep an open mind and don’t think because you don’t know, others don’t.

Kobojunkie:
Idiomatic expressions of what?

And what reality do you speak of? That of the Kingdom of God?

If may I ask "where is the geographical location of kingdom of God and hell fire ? Because who ever want to get to a certain location must first knowthe direction and the location of the place. Please i will like to know

biggy26:

What is delusional about what I said. Where does understanding come from? Please correct any wrong statement I made and I will gladly respect your opinion or wisdom.
I have dealt with some peeps here privately on different issues I know quite well, I don’t dabble into things I don’t know. If he feels he wants clarity, he can contact anyone privately, including you. That one person couldn’t help you, doesn’t mean someone else can’t. Pls, keep an open mind and don’t assume cos you don’t know, others don’t.

1. A delusion is a lie. So anything that is not the Truth of the Gospel of the Kingdom of God, as taught by Jesus Christ, is a lie aka a delusion.

2. Understanding of God's Word and Law , Jesus Christ, begins from our use of the basic language comprehension skills God has already given to us, in comprehension the Truth of God.

Matthew 13 vs 10 - 15(ESV)

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10 Then the disciples came and said to him, “Why do you speak to them in parables?”
11 And he answered them, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.
12 For to the one who has, more will be given, and he will have an abundance, but from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away.
13 This is why I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.
14 Indeed, in their case the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled that says:“‘You will indeed hear but never understand, and you will indeed see but never perceive.”
15 For this people's heart has grown dull, and with their ears they can barely hear, and their eyes they have closed, lest they should see with their eyes
and hear with their ears and understand with their heart and turn, and I would heal them.’

And in the parable of the 10 talent, Jesus Christ explains even further - Luke 19 vs 11- 27 & Matthew 25 vs 14 - 30 - that those who use what has already been given them - in this case, understanding - will have more given to them. But from those who refuse to use what has already been given them, even what they had will be taken away from them. And this goes for everything, including understanding.

HRprof:

If may I ask "where is the geographical location of kingdom of God and hell fire ? Because who ever want to get to a certain location must first knowthe direction and the location of the place. Please i will like to know

1. I assume your intent is to gain direct access to these locations of your own hence the reason why you ask me of the geographical locations , right?

According to Jesus Christ, the Kingdom of God is not of this world, yet it is inside of you and all around you.

2. I still would like your response to my earlier question. What are the narrow and broad gates Idiomatic expressions of ,and in what reality do you speak of?

Kobojunkie:
1. I assume your intent is to gain direct access to these locations of your own hence the reason why you ask me of the geographical locations , right?

According to Jesus Christ, the Kingdom of God is not of this world, yet it is inside of you and all around you.

2. I still would like your response to my earlier question. What are the narrow and broad gates Idiomatic expressions of ,and in what reality do you speak of?

You are speaking in parable .... what do you mean by kingdom of God is inside and in around me yet not of this world. Well kingdom of God is on this world for my understanding.
2, idiomatic expression is also known as parable. ... NARROW GATE is to live a righteous life which has to do with lots of principle and mankind find it difficult, while BROAD GATE is sinful life people live for prosperity that is why most pastors are teaching prosperity.
Hope you now understand

HRprof:

You are speaking in parable .... what do you mean by kingdom of God is inside and in around me yet not of this world. Well kingdom of God is on this world for my understanding.
2, idiomatic expression is also known as parable. ... NARROW GATE is to live a righteous life which has to do with lots of principle and mankind find it difficult, while BROAD GATE is sinful life people live for prosperity that is why most pastors are teaching prosperity.
Hope you now understand

1. Where does your understanding that the Kingdom of God is on this world come from? Where did Jesus Christ teach this?

2. Where does your explanation for the meaning of the Idiomatic expression come from? Gates are openings that lead to a destination and here you claim the intended destination for those who access the broad gate differs from that of those who access the narrow gate, why?

Oh!! .. oh..! Oh...! A professor once ask a young undergraduate who was preaching to him about the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ, the professor then asked him, Oh boy, what's the formula and the shape of earth .. quickly, the boy fired some shots from what he was taught in geography and engineering. Good, the professor replied; then comes the next question. What is the location and the shape of hell? Young boy terrified but with the help of the holy spirit answered the man thus: Sir, if you die in this sinful condition, you will not only know the shape and the location of hell, you will know the length, the breadth, and the width of hell. Hell's location is at the end of a life that ends in sin. The professor was provoked and sent the young boy out of his car which he had formerly helped him with as a lift. That simple answer of the young boy eventually arrested the professor and also repeatedly became alarming in his mind until he came to Christ.

@Op, if you know that there are hierarchies even among men, You shouldn't be so deluded to believe that there are beings that are superior to human. As a matter of fact, you are not even in the total control of what happens or does not happen in your life everyday; Avery good example are the reflex actions. Can you wake the dead? Job was a biblical character who once nurtured this type of your notion and the book of Job chapter 38 says : 38 Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,

2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?

3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.

4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?

9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,

10 And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,

11 And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?

12 Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place;

13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?

14 It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment.

15 And from the wicked their light is withholden, and the high arm shall be broken.

16 Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the search of the depth?

17 Have the gates of death been opened unto thee? or hast thou seen the doors of the shadow of death?

18 Hast thou perceived the breadth of the earth? declare if thou knowest it all.

19 Where is the way where light dwelleth? and as for darkness, where is the place thereof,

20 That thou shouldest take it to the bound thereof, and that thou shouldest know the paths to the house thereof?

21 Knowest thou it, because thou wast then born? or because the number of thy days is great?

22 Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail,

23 Which I have reserved against the time of trouble, against the day of battle and war?

24 By what way is the light parted, which scattereth the east wind upon the earth?

25 Who hath divided a watercourse for the overflowing of waters, or a way for the lightning of thunder;

26 To cause it to rain on the earth, where no man is; on the wilderness, wherein there is no man;

27 To satisfy the desolate and waste ground; and to cause the bud of the tender herb to spring forth?

28 Hath the rain a father? or who hath begotten the drops of dew?

29 Out of whose womb came the ice? and the hoary frost of heaven, who hath gendered it?

30 The waters are hid as with a stone, and the face of the deep is frozen.

31 Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?

32 Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?

33 Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?

34 Canst thou lift up thy voice to the clouds, that abundance of waters may cover thee?

35 Canst thou send lightnings, that they may go and say unto thee, Here we are?

36 Who hath put wisdom in the inward parts? or who hath given understanding to the heart?

37 Who can number the clouds in wisdom? or who can stay the bottles of heaven,

38 When the dust groweth into hardness, and the clods cleave fast together?

39 Wilt thou hunt the prey for the lion? or fill the appetite of the young lions,

40 When they couch in their dens, and abide in the covert to lie in wait?

41 Who provideth for the raven his food? when his young ones cry unto God, they wander for lack of meat.

I think if you can supply answers to this, then, right then, your claim might be justified. I come in peace

returncole:

@Op, if you know that there are hierarchies even among men, You shouldn't be so deluded to believe that there are beings that are superior to human. As a matter of fact, you are not even in the total control of what happens or does not happen in your life everyday; Avery good example are the reflex actions. Can you wake the dead? Job was a biblical character who once nurtured this type of your notion and the book of Job chapter 38 says : 38 Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
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I think if you can supply answers to this, then, right then, your claim might be justified. I come in peace

I am afraid there is a serious problem with comparison you make between the questions asked by Job, a man declared by God Himself, and the OP, a man simply trying to find the Truth of God and God eventually.

Maybe you should give the OP's a second read so you can in fact understand what He is complaining to you about. He is sick and tired of the lies that have been fed him of God is what.

Kobojunkie:
1. Where does your understanding that the Kingdom of God is on this world come from? Where did Jesus Christ teach this?

2. Where does your explanation for the meaning of the Idiomatic expression come from? Gates are openings that lead to a destination and here you claim the intended destination for those who access the broad gate differs from that of those who access the narrow gate, why?

Question upon questions ....... if Christian bible is the only religious book you have read, please try do some research from other boosk it will not only change your thought about life but will make you understand your bible better. Most of the teaching in the bible are illustrations not in the real content, do not limit yourself reading christain books because you were born in a christain home, have an open mind. I'm not a religious person biko I have grown beyong that.

HRprof:

Question upon questions ....... if Christian bible is the only religious book you have read, please try do some research from other boosk it will not only change your thought about life but will make you understand your bible better. Most of the teaching in the bible are illustrations not in the real content, do not limit yourself reading christain books because you were born in a christain home, have an open mind. I'm not a religious person biko I have grown beyong that.

I was not born in a Christian home and I have several other of what you call religious books.

1. You claim most of the teachings in the bible are illustrations not in the real context, so tell me, what are the teachings illustrations of and what are your sources in this?

2. Also, Where does your understanding that the Kingdom of God is on this world come from? Where did Jesus Christ teach this?

3. Where does your explanation for the meaning of the Idiomatic expression come from? Gates are openings that lead to a destination and here you claim the intended destination for those who access the broad gate differs from that of those who access the narrow gate, why?

Kobojunkie:
I was not born in a Christian home and I have several other of what you call religious books.

1. You claim most of the teachings in the bible are illustrations not in the real context, so tell me, what are the teachings illustrations of and what are your sources in this?

2. Also, Where does your understanding that the Kingdom of God is on this world come from? Where did Jesus Christ teach this?

3. Where does your explanation for the meaning of the Idiomatic expression come from? Gates are openings that lead to a destination and here you claim the intended destination for those who access the broad gate differs from that of those who access the narrow gate, why?

Your emphasis is on the kingdom of God yet you don't know the location of this kingdom. Meanwhile you are still pointing Jesus Christ in this discussion while my explanation is not only based on Jesus teaching. Bros or sis, I'm not a religious person. Believe in your heaven and hell I have different view on that.
If we continue with this argument we will remain here till tomorrow. Let me attend to other important thing.

HRprof:

Your emphasis is on the kingdom of God yet you don't know the location of this kingdom. Meanwhile you are still pointing Jesus Christ in this discussion while my explanation is not only based on Jesus teaching. Bros or sis, I'm not a religious person. Believe in your heaven and hell I have different view on that.
If we continue with this argument we will remain here till tomorrow. Let me attend to other important thing.

1. The Kingdom of God as preached in the Bible is a Kingdom ruled over by Jesus Christ, hence the reason why I keep pointing to Jesus Christ in this. He is the one who declared that there are two gates into His Kingdom and one of the gates, the narrow gate, is He(He is ge way). He also declared that He is the Truth, the Law, as far as the Kingdom of God is concerned. So I am sure why you jumped into this without first understanding these basic Truths of Jesus Christ and the Kingdom of God as revealed by Him.

2. If your view is different from that expressed by Jesus Christ of His own Kingdom, then let's hear of it. I have made efforts to ask questions to gain access to these different views of you but you don't Interesting in sharing them at all so I will leave you with them.

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Goodnigga:
then it will stop at your own God. Tell me his name with proof that he is god

I am atheist

Workch:
I am atheist

Now I see! And how did you(life) come into existence?

Goodnigga:
Now I see! And how did you(life) come into existence?

Through my parents

Workch:
Through my parents

from your parents ad infinitum? And to cell, to to atom and sub atomic particles and finally energy, who created them?

Goodnigga:
from your parents ad infinitum? And to cell, to to atom and sub atomic particles and finally energy, who created them?

We don’t know.