blamingthedevil:

Interpret "growth index" for us

Since 2017 LFC has been on a serious church growth outreaches both members and pastor where charged with this responsibility the sacked pastors failed in this task the pastor is the head of the church and is responsible for its failures. The cause of sack is lack of seriousness not money

Lifestone:

That's is your insinuation, why didn't you say the growth index is the number of those who gave their life to Christ.
You guys are just paranoid about church

church has no record of people who gave their lives to God, growth index here is money

blamingthedevil:
Read earlier thread https://www.nairaland.com/6655958/bishop-oyedepo-sacks-40-pastors#103813771

Picture of Sacked Letter of Pastor in Winners Chapel for not generating enough Income

This is your own excerpt from the letter “Consequent upon the recent performance reviews which revealed that your church growth index falls below expectations. Why did you mischievously add the not generating enough income why una like to dey add una own echo to news just like SaharaReporters? Fakenews no dey taya una?

blamingthedevil:

One of the letters reads in part, “Consequent upon the recent performance reviews which revealed that your church growth index falls below expectations.

“Please be informed that your services as a pastor in charge are no longer required from this commission with immediate effect.

“You are to vacate the official accommodation (where applicable) and hand over all properties of the ministry in your custody, including your staff identity card to the area pastor before departure.

“May you find grace for a new beginning. Peace.”

For your info I no read everything. E too long. Don't be sending me that kinda epistle, you no follow pay my school fees
Meanwhile read these scriptures coz of your last statements.
1st Corinthians 9:13-14
Hebrews 7:5
Acts 4:34-35
There are more. Digest those ones first

sangresan:



Ogbeni, do you even understand the Bible you read?

There is the old testament pertaining to the covenant of God with the Israelites and there is the new testament that reveals the promise of God for mankind.

Church of Christ was established based on the teachings of Christ and it began after the death and resurrection of Christ. He commanded his disciples to wait for the Holy Spirit who would teach them all things and it came to pass on the day of the Pentecost. That's when Peter rose up courageously to defend the faith. Remember that Jesus said he would build his Church on the 'Rock'.

So there was no church of Christ when Jesus was still around. They were still going to the temple to worship. But when Jesus died, the temple's curtain was torn and the inner sanctuary became open. The temple would later be destroyed by the Roman army later to fulfill Jesus prophecy.

So, offering tithes and sacrifices isn't a Christian doctrine. You're only obliged to offer what you can afford willingly and not compulsively.

reXurrectionZA:

Since 2017 LFC has been on a serious church growth outreaches both members and pastor where charged with this responsibility the sacked pastors failed in this task the pastor is the head of the church and is responsible for its failures. The cause of sack is lack of seriousness not money

let me tell u, church does not have number of people who attends daily, Oyedepo didn't even know where the church was, he looks at the money which the branch and district generates

ogascomax:


When you don't have understanding about church institution you can afford this type of talk. Go and read your Bible and see how the church grow in the book of Acts. Read from Acts 2-5 chapters and see. You don't evening understand soul winning. Who are you winning the souls for, you think is to lead some one to Christ, that is when soul winning ends. Learn something today, that is if you are ready to learn. A soul as been completely won when the person start doing what you are doing. When you win a soul, you bring them to the church where you can build, train them and send them back to become a soul winner themselves. If I win you and leave you how do I monitor your growth. Those that the apostles won the Bible says and they continue in the Apostles doctrines and the church increase daily. The church is about expansion. Many of you are just christians that know nothing about the structure of the kingdom of God. Always looking for who to attack and they know nothing thinking that they know lots.

I love your points, but let me ask you a question, must the soul you won attend your church?

If no, what if it was the case in this pastor's scenerio.

If yes, Do you mean churches differ from one another?

Note: Monitoring his/her ( new convert) growth mustn't be in the church premises you know.

I have pastored church. When they say church growth , they mean numerical growth and you know numerical growth is synonymous to financial growth .it's when when you have more members that you have more money even though they are not genuinely saved .

The reason they sack the pastor is because enough money is not being generated ... They will not tell you directly . They will say church growth . But the truth is that the reason is money . If their not enough money , how will they pay the pastor?

rollywise:
For your info I no read everything. E too long. Don't be sending me that kinda epistle, you no follow pay my school fees
Meanwhile read these scriptures coz of your last statements.
1st Corinthians 9:13-14
Hebrews 7:5
Acts 4:34-35
There are more. Digest those ones first

Why would you read it?

When it doesn't conform with your indoctrination.

Ceenachi:
Read the letter well, it didnt say money, but church growth. May be members have been leaving or the church hasn't been growing which means, they don't go out for evangelism and do kingdom advancement prayers.
They didnt sack them cause of money but for church growth.
I'm not a member of winners but read the letter very well before concluding and say its cause of money

Oyedopo grew d church and should not keep idiots in d name of pastors to destroy his labour in d vein yard of God.

If u are pastor in Assemblies of God they will give u demotional transfer .

If u must be a pastor preach to ur family members and people in ur street gradually u will have a congregation again

Church growth and winning of souls for Christ go hand in hand.The humans are the church.If the church is not growing,then the work of God, winning of souls is dying.
As a leader,he has to revamp that ministry.

PataAlhajaKeji:


Jehovah's senior special adviser on strategy, kindly define "church growth index".

SMH.

hahahahahaha, some of ona just get bad mouth

staphcures:
. What does growth index implies ,What makes a Church grow ? What are the Expectations of a Church Owner ....Are you saying its only numerical strengths that makes a Growth index ...Most Churches branches remit money to headquarters , Growth are accessed by The amount of Tithes, offerings and how Members has increased with More new Physical structures buildings .. Don't twist it ,Those Pastors are not Sending enough money to the Headquarters simple

Later they'll say, "where two or three are gathered, the lord is there." seems like that doesn't matter any more.

Wetin dey cause this thing na different churches, every day another new church dey open, how will there be church growth in a small street with 12 church even facing opposite each other, a church growth will then mean a church reduction.

Na wa Sha.

eRex:
Were the "generating income" part ...

What I see is "growth index"

Una sabi interprete sha...


None the less .... If he "employed" them, he can as well SACK them.... If e pain u.... Employ them yourself....

Or better still they can float their own church...

See as you quickly twist am, you this worker of iniquity.

Just imagine the nonsense wey you post.
Continue twisting words to suit your narrative.

rollywise:
For your info I no read everything. E too long. Don't be sending me that kinda epistle, you no follow pay my school fees
Meanwhile read these scriptures coz of your last statements.
1st Corinthians 9:13-14
Hebrews 7:5
Acts 4:34-35
There are more. Digest those ones first

The problem is that many of you swallow everything your pastors tell you....

Hebrew 7:1-12

7 This Melchizedek was king of Salem(A) and priest of God Most High.(B) He met Abraham returning from the defeat of the kings and blessed him,(C) 2 and Abraham gave him a tenth of everything. First, the name Melchizedek means “king of righteousness”; then also, “king of Salem” means “king of peace.” 3 Without father or mother, without genealogy,(D) without beginning of days or end of life, resembling the Son of God,(E) he remains a priest forever.

4 Just think how great he was: Even the patriarch(F) Abraham gave him a tenth of the plunder!(G) 5 Now the law requires the descendants of Levi who become priests to collect a tenth from the people(H)—that is, from their fellow Israelites—even though they also are descended from Abraham. 6 This man, however, did not trace his descent from Levi, yet he collected a tenth from Abraham and blessed(I) him who had the promises.(J) 7 And without doubt the lesser is blessed by the greater. 8 In the one case, the tenth is collected by people who die; but in the other case, by him who is declared to be living.(K) 9 One might even say that Levi, who collects the tenth, paid the tenth through Abraham, 10 because when Melchizedek met Abraham, Levi was still in the body of his ancestor.

Jesus Like Melchizedek
11 If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood—and indeed the law given to the people(L) established that priesthood—why was there still need for another priest to come,(M) one in the order of Melchizedek,(N) not in the order of Aaron? 12 For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also.

rittanie:
I thought been a pastor is a calling..imagine them sack your calling.

Lol

Mad oo

richmond500:
exactly, pastor Isaac folaji

The pastor Isaac Folaji I know preaches the prophet's offering but will never shy away from telling dissenters to keep their seed(tithes inclusive). So I think you are twisting his words out of context.
Even the way Winners is structured doesn't give room for mentioning tithes and seeds and every sermon. Winners Chapel works with monthly prophetic themes and the focus changes from praise to godliness to faith to healing or health and many others I can't begin to list. Finance is jusbone of them and doesn't come so often. Stop blowing things out of proportion.

HedwigesMaduro:


The function of the church is not to win souls. It is to preach the gospel, and feed the souls that God brings to the church. The winning of souls part is don't by God Himself.

Maximum respect to you. You sabi.

faceland:


Nothing is free. They are not sending profile yet they are enjoying free accomodation.

I thought it's a non profit organisation. I thought the houses were built with church members tithe and offerings hence no one is expecting returns on investment. I thought the idea is to continue to pray for improvement as members will not be dragged from their homes to attend or hands will not be dipped into attendees pockets especially in this hash economy.....my bad. No vex.

blamingthedevil:


Don't close your eyes:

“Please be informed that your services as a pastor in charge are no longer required from this commission with immediate effect.

“You are to vacate the official accommodation (where applicable) and hand over all properties of the ministry in your custody, including your staff identity card to the area pastor before departure.

“May you find grace for a new beginning. Peace.”

You still don't understand his point, he is still a pastor, he can go else where and continue as a pastor or open his own church but he seize to be a pastor in the church he was sack.

Kobojunkiee:
If this is all about God, why measure this church growth you speak of?

Did God say "church growth" is of importance? Did God assign anyone "kingdom advancement" tasks, assuming here you are referring to God's Kingdom of not Man's kingdom?

What is oyedepo's labour in this? the growing of His kingdom/business here on earth or some assignment that God assigned him in secret?

Church growth and winning of souls are the same,the church is the people,christains serving God,so if the church Is dying it therefore means that the people are no longer worshipping God,so therefore, the head of that ministry need an overhaul.thats what Bishop oyedepo did as a general overseer.

phemmyfour:
Do you even understand what the conversation was all about before you quote me? You are just impossible

Lol.. Comprehension is a big issue,some people read to argue and not to understand what the post is all about.

eRex:
Were the "generating income" part ...

What I see is "growth index"

Una sabi interprete sha...


None the less .... If he "employed" them, he can as well SACK them.... If e pain u.... Employ them yourself....

Or better still they can float their own church...

oloriooko(m): 7:47pm On Jul 18
Growth index should include numerical church growth which will translate to financial church growth

Ceenachi:
Read the letter well, it didnt say money, but church growth. May be members have been leaving or the church hasn't been growing which means, they don't go out for evangelism and do kingdom advancement prayers.
They didnt sack them cause of money but for church growth.
I'm not a member of winners but read the letter very well before concluding and say its cause of money

Oyedopo grew d church and should not keep idiots in d name of pastors to destroy his labour in d vein yard of God.

If u are pastor in Assemblies of God they will give u demotional transfer .

If u must be a pastor preach to ur family members and people in ur street gradually u will have a congregation again

In all the 40 branch? Say something else.

eRex:
Were the "generating income" part ...

What I see is "growth index"

Una sabi interprete sha...


None the less .... If he "employed" them, he can as well SACK them.... If e pain u.... Employ them yourself....

Or better still they can float their own church...

You know church location is also a factor in church growth. I think the best thing is to transfer them to another branch to see how they will do, and bring somebody else there to see if things can improve. I wish them all best still.

rollywise:
Hypocritical responses everywhere! You say the church is about money. Are you aware the pastor is on salary? Are you aware every service is run to standard financially? Are you aware the church premises is rented and being paid for? Above all where does good salary come from? You heard in the video where he said they told him to at least generate income to at least take care of him immediate needs. This means the headquarters has been taking care of his needs since employment. Winners is a church of standards and protocols. They are reamer l ranked the most orderly church in the world. He's an employee. At the end, he who hires has the right to fire.

Lol, there are at least 3-5 or more churches in every street, so what is the Oyedopo buiding 10 thousand churches for? I thought all of you are one. If it isn't about money, then why the competition? If he's building churches, isn't it to win members of other churches? So why the competition if it's not about money. You sheeps like to deceive yourselves sha.

CodeTemplar:
The pastor Isaac Folaji I know preaches the prophet's offering but will never shy away from telling dissenters to keep their seed(tithes inclusive). So I think you are twisting his words out of context.
Even the way Winners is structured doesn't give room for mentioning tithes and seeds and every sermon. Winners Chapel works with monthly prophetic themes and the focus changes from praise to godliness to faith to healing or health and many others I can't begin to list. Finance is jusbone of them and doesn't come so often. Stop blowing things out of proportion.

Pastor Folaji always stress on giving to church and giving to men of God, and kingdom advancement bullshit, even if he preaches other things, he always stress on this topic out of five preachings, 4 is all about give to church and to God, take a day and attend "house on the rock evening services" and u will never go back to living faith church

richmond500:
church has no record of people who gave their lives to God, growth index here is money

what they use in LFC is average attendance. They take attendance.

jaymichael:
What was circulating in the media was based on the interview the 'pastor' granted. He went to meet the state pastor concerning the sacked letter and he was told that his branch was running at a loss as the income generated cannot sustain the branch and the church running at a loss isn't acceptable. The pastor said he is being paid #40,000 monthly as contained in his employment letter. He wasn't the only one sacked. The "church growth index" was really about low income generated.

Okay, although it will be his word against theirs since it wasn't explicitly stated in the letter.

eRex:
Were the "generating income" part ...

What I see is "growth index"

Una sabi interprete sha...


None the less .... If he "employed" them, he can as well SACK them.... If e pain u.... Employ them yourself....

Or better still they can float their own church...

TBH you are one of the dumbess humans I've seen so far. Any IQ below your own must be that of a monkey. If your intelligence cannot read in between the lines on something as simple as this then I'm not sure ur brain is actually that of a human. I'm disappointed in your comment. No wonder all these pastors can do anything because they know they have low lives like you that will always see reasons in thier nonsensical ways

Ishilove:
This is the reason why I wanted to see the letter before commenting. Church growth index is not the same as 'income generation' or whatever the heck was circulating on the internet.

What exactly does Church Growth index mean, that's the question.

J2381:
What exactly does Church Growth index mean, that's the question.

No significant increase in membership

kingxsamz:


Lol, there are at least 3-5 or more churches in every street, so what is the Oyedopo buiding 10 thousand churches for? I thought all of you are one. If it isn't about money, then why the competition? If he's building churches, isn't it to win members of other churches? So why the competition if it's not about money. You sheeps like to deceive yourselves sha.

Go to Zamfara and count churches. Or Jigawa.