HedwigesMaduro:


Neither. You feed them with Spaghetti and pounded yam.

Nonsense.

Ceenachi:
Read the letter well, it didnt say money, but church growth. May be members have been leaving or the church hasn't been growing which means, they don't go out for evangelism and do kingdom advancement prayers.
They didnt sack them cause of money but for church growth.
I'm not a member of winners but read the letter very well before concluding and say its cause of money

Oyedopo grew d church and should not keep idiots in d name of pastors to destroy his labour in d vein yard of God.

If u are pastor in Assemblies of God they will give u demotional transfer .

If u must be a pastor preach to ur family members and people in ur street gradually u will have a congregation again

yes I agree with you ,cuz LFC is the only church around the neighborhood

Ceenachi:
Read the letter well, it didnt say money, but church growth. May be members have been leaving or the church hasn't been growing which means, they don't go out for evangelism and do kingdom advancement prayers.
They didnt sack them cause of money but for church growth.
I'm not a member of winners but read the letter very well before concluding and say its cause of money

Oyedopo grew d church and should not keep idiots in d name of pastors to destroy his labour in d vein yard of God.

If u are pastor in Assemblies of God they will give u demotional transfer .

If u must be a pastor preach to ur family members and people in ur street gradually u will have a congregation again

ogah...church growth is not bank or sales job with a target...nowadays christians

CodeTemplar:
Nonsense.

Mirroring yourself much?

rittanie:
I thought been a pastor is a calling..imagine them sack your calling.

Your argument is wrong, he was sacked from the ministry but his calling is still there. All he need to do is go back to the one that called him.

kwasoly:
Your argument is wrong, he was sacked from the ministry but his calling is still there. All he need to do is go back to the one that called him.

So what you are saying is that God "called" this man to be a pastor, got him a job in this church company, and even though the man was fired as a pastor from the company, God's "call" on this man remains as is?

Kobojunkiee:
So what you are saying is that God "called" this man to be a pastor, got him a job in this church company, and even though the man was fired as a pastor from the company, God's "call" on this man remains as is?

Already your ideology is biased, sorry I can't help me.

If pastors are called by Jesus...why should a mortal sack or demote them?are they his employee?let him send his sons to rural branches let see what growth index means.

kwasoly:
Already your ideology is biased, sorry I can't help me.

Biased in what sense?

billyG:
If pastors are called by Jesus...why should a mortal sack or demote them?are they his employee?

These pastors are just employees of the church companies where they work for their perishable food, like the rest of the world.

Jesus Christ came to call us away from working for perishable food aka food that spoils , commanding instead that we work for food that endures to eternity which only He can give us.

So what those Mogs need is Jesus Christ and not another church company Job.

Vision101:
@blamingthedevil
Interpret "growth index" for us



@me
In ministry there's growth assessment. It has to do with attendance and expansion. It has nothing to do with money.

I'm a pastor in RCCG. It's done in RCCG. You people should be careful with what you say about a true church of God. There are consequences.

Attendant has direct proportionality with revenue.Did you say true church of God?

many are called but few are chosen.

rittanie:
I thought been a pastor is a calling..imagine them sack your calling.

hobyner:
many are called but few are chosen.

Jesus Christ does not call people to go work for companies, even church companies, for perishable food .

Instead, He calls them away from such to working instead for food that endures to Eternity which only He, Jesus Christ can give them - John 6 vs 25 - 33

Kobojunkiee:
These pastors are just employees of the church companies where they work for their perishable food, like the rest of the world.

Jesus Christ came to call us away from working for perishable food aka food that spoils , commanding instead that we work for food that endures to eternity which only He can give us.

So what those Mogs need is Jesus Christ and not another church company Job.

Am surprised you did not support them.

billyG:

Am surprised you did not support them.

Support what? Who?

Kobojunkiee:
Support what? Who?

Yo fellow "man of God"

billyG:

Yo fellow "man of God"

Fellow? Why would you assume me an Mog to begin with?

@billyG

Attendant has direct proportionality with revenue.Did you say true church of God.


@me
You are wrong. You are ignorant of church administration. In most churches you will find the multitude but the church will be mainly financed by a handful.

Majority might be seeking help always from the church.

@Kobojunkiee
So after reading through the Gospels where you are told that even Jesus Christ discouraged many from following Him, that His mission on earth was "soul winning"?

Jesus Christ fed thousands, healed hundreds, but at the time of His death, He had only a couple dozen followers and you think His mission on earth was "soul winning"?

Jesus Christ sent even told His disciples that only a few people will be chosen even though many will be called to hear the Gospel , yet you are convinced that the mission is "soul winning"?

Jesus Christ even declared that He alone will build His own Church implying that the administration and growth thereof is in His hands alone and you think He sent you out for "soul winning"?

Way too many of you are drunk on the lies you have been fed by your Pastors and Mogs who lie and use you regularly to grow their earthly kingdoms in the name of God.

You actually think yourself smart believing Jesus Christ, who only offered the gospel to a few, discouraged many and also stated clearly that not all will 3enter into His Heaven sent you out on a "soul winning" mission. :


@me
I have taken good note of your comments on religious issues in this forum. The intention is to deceive the very elect. Everything you wrote here sound funny to someone like me.

Subsequently I will not be reacting to your comments on religious issues. It's share waste of time.

Vision101:

I have taken good note of your comments on religious issues in this forum. The intention is to deceive the very elect. Everything you wrote here sound funny to someone like me.

Subsequently I will not be reacting to your comments on religious issues. It's share waste of time.

From the discussion so far, it is quite obvious you are the one who has been thoroughly decieved by your Mogs, the same wolves Jesus Christ warned you against listening to. .

@me
I have taken good note of your comments on religious issues in this forum. The intention is to deceive the very elect. Everything you wrote here sound funny to someone like me.

Subsequently I will not be reacting to your comments on religious issues. It's share waste of time

This is a stretch by miles - deceive the very elect

NaWeDeyHere:

This is a stretch by miles - deceive the very elect

Ask him if his understanding of who the elects was not fed him directly from get mouths of the many Mogs he feeds from.

oloriooko:
Pls Mr know-it-all kindly give us your interpretation

lol... what's there to interpret?
Church growth itself is self-explanatory.

KingAlabi:
Wetin dey cause this thing na different churches, every day another new church dey open, how will there be church growth in a small street with 12 church even facing opposite each other, a church growth will then mean a church reduction.

Na wa Sha.

Big up! They also have an unrealistic expectations of having churches within a few square miles of each other... That makes very little economic sense and in an environment where the internal and external competition is immense or a very poor catchment area, we are not comparing apples with even pears but with orange pith.

Nigerian youths have it so so bad. They turned to churches for employment and chop but they are really in a pyramid scheme... No wonder some of them resort to all sorts.

Just imagine a church expecting much growth from pastors posted to rural north? I will not even go to the North to do business talk less of religion.

SMH

abeliver:


lol... what's there to interpret?
Church growth itself is self-explanatory.

Kobojunkiee:
The parable of the 10 talents has absolutely nothing to do with what you describe. Jesus Christ even explained how that parable applies 2when He insisted that those who use the understanding they have been given will recieve more understanding but those who do not use the understanding they have will have even that which they have taken from them by God.

Twisting scriptural texts in order to justify worldly dealings is unbecoming for one who believes himself to be of God, don't you think?

If you do not understand church growth, I suggest you make Google your friend..it is an aspect of running of even a church business in this world https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Growth

My goodness... your understanding of the scripture is quite shallow or you're deliberately twisting it to suit your narrative
Hmmm...u accused me of twisting the scripture but you're the cuprite here.. how can you said that talants in context of that parable means understanding? Really? Please understanding is gained through study of the scripture it's not given. God can't give you understanding until you studying,He only grant grace to understand faster because he has seen hunger to acquire knowledge of the scripture via understanding and this is totally off from what that passage was talking about... please go back and read that account again,this time with different translation to understand it fully... won't reply u again
Shalom!!

Chibuking1402:

My goodness... your understanding of the scripture is quite shallow or you're deliberately twisting it to suit your narrative
Hmmm...u accused me of twisting the scripture but you're the cuprite here.. how can you said that talants in context of that parable means understanding? Really? Please understanding is gained through study of the scripture it's not given. God can't give you understanding until you studying,He only grant grace to understand faster because he has seen hunger to acquire knowledge of the scripture via understanding and this is totally off from what that passage was talking about... please go back and read that account again,this time with different translation to understand it fully... won't reply u again
Shalom!!

All of this is meaningless jabber as far as this discussion goes. I accuse you of twisting the Words of Jesus Christ as far as the parable of the 10 talents, Matthew 25 vs 14 - 30, using it to attempt justification of what is contained in your world businesses called churches.

Kobojunkie:
Fellow? Why would you assume me an Mog to begin with?

So U hav no sheep.

billyG:

So U hav no sheep.

Did Jesus Christ say we must have sheep?

Kobojunkie:
Did Jesus Christ say we must have sheep?

It is not a must.

Vision101:
@billyG

Attendant has direct proportionality with revenue.Did you say true church of God.


@me
You are wrong. You are ignorant of church administration. In most churches you will find the multitude but the church will be mainly financed by a handful.

Majority might be seeking help always from the church.

Most members pays tithes & contributions either by persuasion, cajoling, threat or fear of consequences.
Infact d most of d poor gives all their mites because of promise of thousand fold rewards.

billyG:

It is not a must.

Ok then.