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Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by Nobody: 10:23am On Jul 26, 2021 |
Janosky:I see. But what's the essence for most of you guys to complain about bad governance? So casting of vote is a bad practice in your religion. |
Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by keviziii333: 10:24am On Jul 26, 2021 |
worlexy:Also don't forget their refusal of military conscription, which is a threat to a country like Russia in wartime. |
Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by Nobody: 10:26am On Jul 26, 2021 |
haddeylium:ok, please read the above mention. It also my feedback for both of you. So if every other persons should sit back and don't do their civil obligations, by at least voting. Who then will cast the vote? |
Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by emmnprince(m): 10:32am On Jul 26, 2021 |
highoctane: It has been fulfilled. 1 Like |
Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:43am On Jul 26, 2021 |
Blyzz: Casting votes involves giving your thumbprint for a person as one of his guarantors that he or she will perform well, hence the future of your people should be placed in the hands of this person you are voting. That's what you did whenever you cast your vote for anyone! My question is this: Do you truly know that person? Do you really trust him or you were compelled? Who is to blame when he does what is bad, himself, those who announce the outcome of the election or the voters who gave him their thumbprint? |
Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by KNOWMORE56: 10:53am On Jul 26, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: "...not to be transferred from the body of one creature to another!"... Don't eat blood and don't transfer blood do not have the same meaning, my friend. "...Please go and ask health professionals..." I've asked them and they said that in take of alcohol destroy human health not blood transfusion... You can check it below https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www..com/talk/topic I start to wonder why then the GB certified in take of alcohol over blood transfusion... |
Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:08am On Jul 26, 2021 |
Please don't change the subject let's settle one thing before another! We are talking about blood transfusion and i'm chatting with you because your moniker says "KNOWMORE" otherwise if you're here to argue i'll just walk away! 1Timothy 6:4; Titus 3:9 So let's concentrate on the topic you raised "blood transfusion" i'm saying it's no more practiced in most advance countries because they've discovered that the experiment is a failure! KNOWMORE56: |
Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by worlexy(m): 11:57am On Jul 26, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:The Jeremiah 31:34 u quoted has nothing to do with what you’re saying So only 4 laws of all the laws are what you follow in the new covenant? You don’t follow the 10 commandments? You steal, covet your neighbor, don’t honor your parents etc?
It’s not about reading alone, it’s about reading to understand. Read from the beginning and tell us why the new law was given and relate it to blood of animals as mentioned in Deuteronomy and Leviticus and see for yourself and your sect dubiously mislead millions of people. Leviticus 3:17 This is a lasting ordinance for the generations to come, wherever you live: You must not eat any fat or any blood.’” The ordinance was to avoid eating fat or blood. You chose to obey one law and to reject the other. You refuse blood transfusion but eat animal fat yet you claim you’re obeying God’s law. The blood of animal commanded not to be eaten is the animal that has been killed and “the idea is that by ingesting it, the individual has destroyed the life force by dissipation. Instead, the life is to be offered back to God where it came.” That was why the blood of Abel’s blood cried from the ground because he was dead already like you quoted in genesis 4:10. The LORD said, “What have you done? Listen! Your brother’s blood cries out to me from the ground. Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary Deuteronomy 12:16-25. 16. ye shall not eat the blood; ye shall pour it upon the earth as water —The prohibition against eating or drinking blood as an unnatural custom accompanied the announcement of the divine grant of animal flesh for food (Ge 9:4), and the prohibition was repeatedly renewed by Moses with reference to the great objects of the law (Le 17:12), the prevention of idolatry, and the consecration of the sacrificial blood to God. In regard, however, to the blood of animals slain for food, it might be shed without ceremony and poured on the ground as a common thing like water—only for the sake of decency, as well as for preventing all risk of idolatry, it was to be covered over with earth (Le 17:13), in opposition to the practice of heathen sportsmen, who left it exposed as an offering to the god of the chase. So, your sect deliberately twisted the law of God and in so doing you have sent many into their early graves. So yes, you guys are extremist. God never said humans should not be transfused with the blood of fellow humans. God can see into the future so He could have known that a time would come when blood transfusion would be a form of treatment yet He never spoke against it. The blood of those who got injured in battles and had their blood spilled on the ground, don’t cry as long as the person is still alive In blood transfusion, the person whose blood you’re refusing is not killed or dead so the analogy is not the same. |
Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by worlexy(m): 12:03pm On Jul 26, 2021 |
keviziii333:That means they are disobeying the order of authority of that country which is clearly against the law of the New Testament that MaxInDHouse say that they obey: Romans 13:1-7 Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves. For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same 1 Like |
Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by worlexy(m): 12:04pm On Jul 26, 2021 |
achorladey:They are still searching for it 1 Like |
Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by peacefulworld01(m): 12:06pm On Jul 26, 2021 |
achorladey:Christianity is based on the bible(new testament and the teaching of Jesus Christ,if u do anything contrary to these,u are not practicing true christianity) okay,so we or me personally am not trying to dodge or misexplain anything. Would you be available so that I can email u and we can discuss further on the bible using your own bible. |
Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by julisam(m): 12:31pm On Jul 26, 2021 |
@Worlexy, I appreciate your views of the Jehovah's witnesses beliefs especially on their stand on the use of blood. However, I think you are not correct. Please consider this analogy: If someone is sick and cannot eat food through the mouth, how do the medical workers get food into his or her body? Of course, you know very well that it is through transfusion. When the Bible instruction us not to eat blood, it also includes taking blood into your body by transfusion. Since you can eat food by transfusion and take medicine by transfusion you can also eat blood by transfusion. In any case, the position of God is that we should not eat blood through any means. That position is sacrosanct and has not change and will not change with time. The Bible did not use the word 'blood transfusion' probably because the practice was not popular back then when that part of the Bible was written. Nevertheless, on the issue of 'extremists', I will agree with you that the Jehovah's witnesses are extremists if your definition of the word 'Extremist' means people who are willing to go the extra mile regardless of the consequence to their lives just to obey God's laws. If this is the case then Jehovah's witnesses are extremists in good fate. Please, this is not a matter of sentiments, it is a matter of facts and faith. Shalom! |
Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:45pm On Jul 26, 2021 |
worlexy: Wow It's like you've gotten so much to say on this! But i pick out the points so i'll stick to the main points. There are 613 laws given to the nation of Israel, the first ten were inscribed on stone tablets as a proof that the remaining are from the God who brought the people out of Egypt so when they see the laws written not by human they will know that truly Jehovah meant business with the laws Moses brought to them. But after Jesus has sealed the New Covenant with his blood all those who come under the New Covenant have nothing to do with whatever comes with the Old (including it's laws/Commandments! Jeremiah 31:31-34 So if someone should ask you any question about stealing, covet or what have you tell them that JWs only look onto Jesus. If Jesus do steal or covet then we can but if he doesn't then it means we shouldn't! Romans 10:1-4 May you have PEACE! |
Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:17pm On Jul 26, 2021 |
worlexy: Hmmmmmmmmmmmm i can see that you're getting to know Maximus on this thread so i welcome you Sir. When reading the Bible please try to meditate on what prompted the Author (God) to order His servants to pen down such injunctions! So let's consider Paul's letter to our brothers in Rome together but this time around meditate thoroughly on what could have been the cause of such injunction. The Christians do deliberate on so many issues and since they're Roman citizens they wonder if it's appropriate for them to obey the government that's not practicing God's law. Unlike the ancient nation of Israel the laws the government in place advocates is God's own Commandments but in this case it's laws that stem from pagan customs and traditions. So the Christians are puzzled "should we keep their laws?" That's why Apostle Paul under the inspiration of God's Holy Spirit rephrased Jesus' order for his followers to pay Caesar's things to Caesar and God's things to God! Mark 10:13-17 Caesar (worldly authorities) demands that their subjects fear them, honour them, pay them tributes and taxes {Romans 13:7} but whenever their orders comes in conflict against God's orders then we must obey God as ruler rather than man! Act 4:19 God's only begotten son reminded us that we must love our neighbours as ourselves {Mark 12:30} but most importantly we must love our fellow believers the same way he loved us! John 13:34-35 You may not understand the clear difference between this two injunctions so i'll expatiate: when you love someone like yourself it means you're putting such a person in your shoes before dealing with him therefore whatever you know you won't like you shouldn't try it with your neighbout. But the second one is very hard: loving someone the same way Jesus love you means you have to prepare to sacrifice your own life if the need arises to save your fellow believers! John 15:13 Now let's come back home! My fellow believers are in Ghana and i remember that Jesus COMMADED me to love them the same way he loved me! {John 13:34-35} but here is the man in authority ordering me to pick up weapons and go against my fellow believers in Christ! Please judge for yourself who you will obey at that time whether the worldly authority or that guy from Nazareth you often refer to as "Lord" Act 5:29 God bless you and may you have PEACE! |
Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by Emusan(m): 1:22pm On Jul 26, 2021 |
julisam: I wonder how you people pass your English in school. How can a reasonable person use the word EAT & TRANSFUSION in the same vein is still one of the wonders of JWs abracadabra. Eat...is to put (food) into the mouth and chew and swallow it. WHILE Transfusion....is an act of transferring donated blood, blood products, or other fluid into the circulatory system of a person or animal. So how does it sound when you made a statement like "Since you can eat food by transfusion and take medicine by transfusion you can also eat blood by transfusion." Educated illiterates are just so many in this part of the world. In any case, the position of God is that we should not eat blood through any means. This is your own interjection not that of God nor ever found in the scripture. What you people don't even know is that, when Apostle Paul talked about not EATING BLOOD or do with blood is about ANIMAL'S BLOOD. That position is sacrosanct and has not change and will not change with time. The Bible did not use the word 'blood transfusion' probably because the practice was not popular back then when that part of the Bible was written. There's no position of God condemning BLOOD TRANSFUSION rather what God is talking about is ANIMAL'S BLOOD especially the ones offered to idols and STRANGLED N9 one can do without EATING ANIMAL'S BLOOD unless the person eat dry meat or a vegetarian. Even your organization has gone as far as allowing FRACTION of blood to be taking. But the truth of the matter is that, lack of scriptural understanding leads your 8 men in now in NY to equate those verses to EATING BLOOD when those verses are just about animal's blood. In fact, if one check how Apostle Paul used that word in Acts it's evident that it's inline of not to do ANYTHING WITH BLOOD AS SACRIFICED since Christ's blood has been shied. |
Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by Maximus85(m): 1:25pm On Jul 26, 2021 |
Franking: Peace be unto you sir 1 Like |
Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:55pm On Jul 26, 2021 |
Franking: Revelations 12:11, 17 |
Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by maximunimpact(m): 1:55pm On Jul 26, 2021 |
peacefulworld01: Do you know that at any time your governing body will wake up and say they got a new light that says blood transfusion is now okay justifying it with a few Bible verses and people like you will come and defend it with every fibre of your being. They say they are the only Jehovah's channel of communication to mankind but in thesame breadth say they never claimed to be Jehovah's prophet and they are also imperfect human beings - how do you reconcile both claims? How can anyone put his health at risk over what an imperfect 8-men-crew of governing body say which is also subject to change at any time? You are free to believe anything you want, but when a minor is involved do not make the decision of life and death for the child, let it be only you to die for your believe. |
Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by Nobody: 2:16pm On Jul 26, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse:what are you saying. Don't you thumbprint in the bank. At driver's license etc. Well, I know that's not what you meant here, but give to Caesar what belongs to him. You guys seemed to forget that part of the Bible. Why not go form your own country. This is very wrong practice practice from JW members. |
Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by FengChui(m): 2:17pm On Jul 26, 2021 |
worlexy: Na you give me fat to chop? |
Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:20pm On Jul 26, 2021 |
Blyzz:Well we have form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers globally {Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3} that's why people like you all around the world can SEE {Matthew 5:13-16} that JWs are different and no part of you people! John 15:19; 17:14 May you have PEACE! |
Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by Themandator: 2:51pm On Jul 26, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: 1. What exactly is it that you criticize about or in the orthodox churches that spirits therein and in other sects within christiandom hears louder only in Russia 2. By how far have they imparted the lives of Americans and the dominant Pentecostals that they are going as far as Russia to criticize the dominant Christian sect over there 3. Give examples of nations where you have done this criticism and the nature of it and the 3ffects in their policies and public life Russia is not known to be friendly to any Christian sect just like her neighbour China but their focus on JW cannot be attributed to criticism of orthodox churches in Russia ..Putin has got s bigger pie than JW to fry Putin is paranoid about JW because of it origin and their unconventional anti scriptural practices that he can relate with. China officially welcomes only the Catholic church but others have been meeting and with growing open society they are begining to welcome and live with the reality that with more foreigners in their midst , it won't be long before people are allowed their choices |
Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:55pm On Jul 26, 2021 |
Are you asking questions or making your own statement? Please let me know exactly what you want me to do with this write-up! Themandator: |
Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by highoctane: 3:27pm On Jul 26, 2021 |
emmnprince:Biblically prove it, even outside source from the Bible will be welcomed. Please identify the king of the South and those who have played the role of the king of the North |
Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by achorladey: 5:49pm On Jul 26, 2021 |
worlexy: Whenever they are done searching, they can always present their findings here too. 1 Like |
Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by achorladey: 5:56pm On Jul 26, 2021 |
peacefulworld01: Christianity is based on the bible(new testament and the teaching of Jesus Christ,if u do anything contrary to these,u are not practicing true christianity Na so una dey talk when what you believe is scrutinized and not biblical what it leads to is defending what men like you and I set up. If you have anything of interest to discuss in the scripture. Bring it here. |
Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by achorladey: 6:01pm On Jul 26, 2021 |
Tzeecare: Really? Ask MaxInDHouse, he will tell you they have AUTHORITY figure they point too. He even raise questions in the name of such authority figure paapaa. |
Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by achorladey: 6:04pm On Jul 26, 2021 |
Janosky:
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Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by achorladey: 6:09pm On Jul 26, 2021 |
emmnprince: You simply don't know those you are dealing with. There is always a small and larger fulfillment of the scriptures as it applies to their religious organization. |
Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by achorladey: 6:18pm On Jul 26, 2021 |
TamyFire: there is no compromise when it comes to God’s law on the matters highlighted in Acts 15:21 Na so una dey talk. Abeg, what is the highest common factor(H.C.F) or lowest common denominators(L.C.M) between these two processes below 1. Blood transfusion 2. Blood fractions transfusion Note: No compromise allowed. You can equally choose to ignore the post if you desire. |
Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by achorladey: 6:20pm On Jul 26, 2021 |
FengChui: there is no compromise when it comes to God’s law on the matters highlighted in Acts 15:21 Na so una dey talk. Abeg, what is the highest common factor(H.C.F) or lowest common denominators(L.C.M) between these two processes below 1. Blood transfusion 2. Blood fractions transfusion Note: It is not acceptable. You can equally choose to ignore the post if you desire. |
Re: Russia’s Mysterious Campaign Against Jehovah’s Witnesses by Deadlytruth(m): 6:36pm On Jul 26, 2021 |
Janosky:City director of pubic works is like a commissioner for works and housing. Is a commissioner a civil servant or a political appointee? Jesus disciples asked for a political Kingdom and Jesus answered them accordingly. He didn't tell them that the restoration of the earthly kingdom was not their business. Rather he said that His father had fixed a time for it to come in future. |
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