MaxInDHouse:
The GB of JWs are the representatives of our God who:

©Condemned the intake of blood for His worshipers! Genesis 9:4; Leviticus 17:14; Act 15:29

And

©Encourage the intake of alcohol for His worshipers! Deuteronomy 14:26 :

There you go again. Let's see the verses you quoted

*. Genesis 9:4 "KJV:But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not EAT."

*. Leviticus 17:14 "KJV:For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life thereof: therefore I said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall EAT THE BLOOD of no manner of flesh: for the life of all flesh is the blood thereof: whosoever eateth it shall be cut off."

*. Acts 15:29 "KJV:That ye ABSTAIN from meats offered to idols, and FROM BLOOD, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well."

Eating of blood and blood transfusion are not not the same!

How hard is it to understand?

Can you guys show me anywhere in the Word that blood transfusion was conducted?

Alcohol

For alcohol, check the link below:

https://www.nairaland.com/6566852/21-years-faith-not-tasted

*. Deuteronomy 14:22 "KJV:Thou shalt truly TITHE all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.
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KJV:And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always.
24
KJV:And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it (the tithe); or if the place be too far from thee, which the Lord thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the Lord thy God hath blessed thee:
25
KJV: Then shalt thou turn it (the tithe) into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the Lord thy God shall choose:"
26
KJV: And thou shalt bestow that money ( tithe converted to money )for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink , or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the Lord thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,"

Note:
Tithe...thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God...if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it...then shalt thou turn it into money... and thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy heart shalt lusteth after... for strong drink (alcohol)

Are you saying that the GB and all JWs are practicing eating their tithes before the Lord in the house for His name?

Is bear parlour the house for His name?

achorladey:


there is no compromise when it comes to God’s law on the matters highlighted in Acts 15:21

Na so una dey talk. Abeg, what is the highest common factor(H.C.F) or lowest common denominators(L.C.M) between these two processes below

1. Blood transfusion

2. Blood fractions transfusion

Note: It is not acceptable. You can equally choose to ignore the post if you desire.

Does Blood fractions in the eggs you consume amount to blood transfusion?

Deadlytruth:


Revisionism at best. The Declaration of facts clearly stated that the JWs hold the view that the British and US Governments and the Jews therein are the worst economic and political oppressors in the world and that the Watchtower Organization stood behind Hitler's Germany's crusade against the US, UK and the Jews.

Are you deliberately telling lies or you're just being ignorant. It's a public knowledge that JWs don't do politics neither do they serve in the military nor pledge an allegiance to any human government (but only God's kingdom). In fact this is one of some factors that differentiates them from Christiandom. Here is a reference from "Memory of The Holocaust"

worlexy:



That’s a lie. Stop spreading falsehoods.

Which immunity is it suppressing? Which infection? Stop talking ignorantly. Blood are screened for viral infections and other infections before they are transfused to others

Bros, why do you pass off your FALSE claims as fact?
Whether, Blood screening or not, why do most patients get blood transfusion and die?
Did their transfusion save them?
(I'm speaking from experience, wetin my eyes see, no be hearsay.)

Blood transfusions suppresses immunity, it's a proven medical research finding of John Hopkins University's Medical hospital/School.
Bros, read more,abeg you.

Deadlytruth:


Revisionism at best. The Declaration of facts clearly stated that the JWs hold the view that the British and US Governments and the Jews therein are the worst economic and political oppressors in the world and that the Watchtower Organization stood behind Hitler's Germany's crusade against the US, UK and the Jews.

You are mouthing the FALSE claims of bitter individuals expelled from Jehovah's organized people.
Their anger against JWs no be here

Secular historians without any connections to JWs have proven time after time, that the JWs were massively persecuted everywhere the Nazis set foot.
Every concentration camp bears very strong evidences of the resolute faith of my brothers under harsh, demeaning conditions in Germany at the time.

Did any Govt - USA or Britain make that claim you are passing off & spreading here ?

[quote author=achorladey post=104122891][/quote]

John 18:36, Jesus Christ says you are mocking yourself.
Jesus says if his followers were politicians, they would revolt against his unjust arrest & trial.

Erasmus is a civil servant, Bros console yourself.

achorladey:


The moment they see where God said word for word that they should do blood fractions transfusion is the moment they will answer your question

Lool!

But you dey eat eggs, Mr hypocrite.

achorladey:


The day someone said they are among the most open minded all other Christian denominations.

I just ask the person straight, when one approach us now and we hand that person a religious publication and that person don't even bother to look into it but reject it straightaway.Where is the open-mindedness they say they have?

When your Polytheists worshippers (your "other denominations" reject JW publications, Achorladey,"where is the open mindedness you say they have?"

rottennaija:


Associated press is western press or not? Do you expect an u bias report from them anymore than you would from watchtower?

You see video of Russian Orthodox Priest leading a mob to burn JWs publications , you suddenly your so-called "critical thinking skills" failed you.
E get why.

rottennaija:


It's your work to provide the evidence, not me.

You already saw a video evidence of a Russian Orthodox Priest leading a mob against JWs, validation of the fact about ROC.

Bros, console yourself.

achorladey:


You simply don't know those you are dealing with. There is always a small and larger fulfillment of the scriptures as it applies to their religious organization.

Yes nau..
Genesis 3:15 & 1 John 3:8 & more to come..
IYKYK.

worlexy:

That means they are disobeying the order of authority of that country which is clearly against the law of the New Testament that MaxInDHouse say that they obey:

Romans 13:1-7
Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves. For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same

Acts 5:29, Obey God first, ("thou shalt not kill)"

Matthew 24:15-20, when the Roman army invaded Jerusalem and destroyed the temple, did Jesus tell the disciples to arm themselves and defend their temple/country?

worlexy:

**1
You neglect other commandments but choose to obey the twisted ones that allow you send people to their early graves

Leviticus 3:17
This is a lasting ordinance for the generations to come, wherever you live: You must not eat any fat or any blood.’”

The ordinance was to avoid eating fat or blood. You chose to obey one law and to reject the other.

You refuse blood transfusion but eat animal fat yet you claim you’re obeying God’s law.


**2
The blood of animal commanded not to be eaten is the animal that has been killed
and “the idea is that by ingesting it, the individual has destroyed the life force by dissipation. Instead, the life is to be offered back to God where it came.”

**1.
Bros, did you see the expression "Abstain from animal blood" at Acts 15:29?
Is blood exclusive to animals alone?
Is blood exclusive to man alone?

"Abstain from blood" refers to blood without exclusivity to animals alone.
If you claim it's animal blood,@ Acts 15:29, did God command animals to abstain from fornication?
Therefore, your claim @**1 is NOT true.
Because you twisted Acts 15:29 to claim it reference animal blood.

**2
Bros, according to your **2, you have proven that the life force of a beast is in the blood.

2 Questions for you:
is the life force of man in the blood?

Does the blood in man perform the same function as the blood in the beast?

Bros, be frank & straight forward oooo

Janosky:


Yes nau..
Genesis 3:15 & 1 John 3:8 & more to come..
IYKYK.

You only need to show how those two scripture applies to WTBTS shikena or where it refers to WTBTS word for word

Don't hide under the cover of WTBTS is just a legal instrument

Janosky:

When your Polytheists worshippers (your "other denominations" reject JW publications, Achorladey,"where is the open mindedness you say they have?"

Thanks for the confirmation that you share the same denominators with them that the religious organization you belong are not open minded

One of the commandments is .....you shall copy these other Christian denominations

Janosky:

But you dey eat eggs, Mr hypocrite.

You know all your blood fractions transfusion acceptable are obtained from eggs adiye agric ati ibile maa n ye.

Out of the abundance of your heart your mouth and fingers spill all sorts of tags. This time it types....Mr hypocrite

Janosky:


John 18:36, Jesus Christ says you are mocking yourself.
Jesus says if his followers were politicians, they would revolt against his unjust arrest & trial.

Erasmus is a civil servant, Bros console yourself.

Reason am, Erasmus is a civil servant, Erasmus is a public servants, Erasmus is a government servant.

Allow me console myself. Na my consolation

Janosky:


Does Blood fractions in the eggs you consume amount to blood transfusion?

Answer my question first or ignore is an option allowed.

Janosky:

Libraries everywhere from time to time update their procedures and regulations for membership and public access to their resources.

JWs were granted membership to the UN library many years (about 5 years) prior to the changes to the UN library's mode of operations.

JWs terminated access to UN library resources when we found out their procedures had changed & were untenable to us. No big deal. We have moved on.
But WAILERS can continue to WAIL & console themselves with that.

JWs experienced grievous injustice in that African country for our neutral stand on politics.
About a decade or so ago, the government "repented" & granted JWs freedom of worship & assembly

JWs were granted membership to the UN library many years (about 5 years) prior to the changes to the UN library's mode of operations....... (Janosky.,2021)


The counterfeit(fake) God's kingdom or the disgusting thing which is not the real thing granted membership to original God's kingdom

Thanks for the response. Your eyes go clear very soon. Na why I repeat your political reasoning is like

UN library card and 25 cent party card.

Reason am well now,

should one of your member come to you and say look bro Janosky, ayam going to get JW facts library card in order to access their library. You(Janosky) will cry blue murder that such one is reading or going to access the works of a mentally diseased apostates or bitter individuals expelled from Jehovah's organized people

Yet your religious leaders were going as far as becoming membership with a thing that they call disgusting and causing desolation set up by what your religious leaders call Satan's organization, agent and Satan paapaa (governmental and religious organizations outside yours)

Reason am well

When Satan first tried to tempt Jesus he wanted to use Nationalism {Luke 4:5-8} but after noticing that Jesus is not a Nationalist Satan turned to subtle means of deceit. Matthew 16:22-23
Please my brother just keep your senses Satan is crying all over like a roaring lion! 1Peter 5:8
Most of these people will pick up weapons without any feelings of remorse to kill JWs at will forgetting that if everyone on planet earth believes what JWs believe wars will seize throughout the earth {Psalms 46:9} JWs are saying "we have found the truth about God's will" while they're all agitating. If JWs have vowed never to raise weapons against anyone but there is wars still is it not evident that only JWs are free from the machinations of Satan who wants everyone dead? Revelations 6:3-4
Even nature itself can tell you who are doing God's will! Isaiah 2:2-4

sagieramos:


Are you deliberately telling lies or you're just being ignorant. It's a public knowledge that JWs don't do politics neither do they serve in the military nor pledge an allegiance to any human government (but only God's kingdom). In fact this is one of some factors that differentiates them from Christiandom. Here is a reference from "Memory of The Holocaust"

Janosky:


**1.
Bros, did you see the expression "Abstain from animal blood" at Acts 15:29?
Is blood exclusive to animals alone?
Is blood exclusive to man alone?

"Abstain from blood" refers to blood without exclusivity to animals alone.
If you claim it's animal blood,@ Acts 15:29, did God command animals to abstain from fornication?
Therefore, your claim @**1 is NOT true.
Because you twisted Acts 15:29 to claim it reference animal blood.

**2
Bros, according to your **2, you have proven that the life force of a beast is in the blood.

2 Questions for you:
is the life force of man in the blood?

Does the blood in man perform the same function as the blood in the beast?

Bros, be frank & straight forward oooo

First and foremost, we know that Paul was referring to the blood of animal because he was making reference the laws against drinking animal blood as commanded by God in Leviticus.

To understand the concept of animal blood, read this again:

Leviticus 3:17
This is a lasting ordinance for the generations to come, wherever you live: You must not eat any fat or any blood.’”

The ordinance was to avoid eating fat or blood. You chose to obey one law and to reject the other.

You refuse blood transfusion but eat animal fat yet you claim you’re obeying God’s law.


The blood of animal commanded not to be eaten is the animal that has been killed and “the idea is that by ingesting it, the individual has destroyed the life force by dissipation. Instead, the life is to be offered back to God where it came.”

That was why the blood of Abel’s blood cried from the ground because he was dead already like you quoted in genesis 4:10.

The LORD said, “What have you done? Listen! Your brother’s blood cries out to me from the ground.


Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary
Deuteronomy 12:16-25.
16. ye shall not eat the blood; ye shall pour it upon the earth as water
—The prohibition against eating or drinking blood as an unnatural custom accompanied the announcement of the divine grant of animal flesh for food (Ge 9:4), and the prohibition was repeatedly renewed by Moses with reference to the great objects of the law (Le 17:12), the prevention of idolatry, and the consecration of the sacrificial blood to God. In regard, however, to the blood of animals slain for food, it might be shed without ceremony and poured on the ground as a common thing like water—only for the sake of decency, as well as for preventing all risk of idolatry, it was to be covered over with earth (Le 17:13), in opposition to the practice of heathen sportsmen, who left it exposed as an offering to the god of the chase.


So, your sect deliberately twisted the law of God and in so doing you have sent many into their early graves. So yes, you guys are extremist. God never said humans should not be transfused with the blood of fellow humans. God can see into the future so He could have known that a time would come when blood transfusion would be a form of treatment yet He never spoke against it.




The blood of those who got injured in battles and had their blood spilled on the ground, don’t cry as long as the person is still alive

In blood transfusion, the person whose blood you’re refusing is not killed or dead so the analogy is to the same.

Janosky:


Acts 5:29, Obey God first, ("thou shalt not kill)"

The same God that said “thou shall not kill” allowed Israel to kill their enemies. You can’t be smarter than God

Matthew 24:15-20, when the Roman army invaded Jerusalem and destroyed the temple, did Jesus tell the disciples to arm themselves and defend their temple/country?

Because Jesus had already said God doesn’t live in the Temple.

Destruction of temple in Jerusalem was prophesied by Jesus before it occurred.

worlexy:

In blood transfusion, the person whose blood you’re refusing is not killed or dead so the analogy is to the same.

This case is simple!
You believe eating blood is sin but you can take it through your veins during treatment while JWs beleive we must totally abstain from blood.
The difference here is the understanding Sir just as most religious leaders are telling their Church members not to take Covid19 vaccine whereas JWs are encouraged to take it.
So if members of your church die through Covid19 does that makes your religious leaders wicked for discouraging you from taking it?

Janosky:

Bros, why do you pass off your FALSE claims as fact?
Whether, Blood screening or not, why do most patients get blood transfusion and die?

Stop talking about what you know nothing about.

You lied that people get infected from blood transfusion and I told you that it’s only when the blood is not properly screened.

Now you’re saying people die from blood transfusion reaction. That is not restricted only to blood transfusion. People die from food allergies, allergies to environmental dust, medications. So you don’t have a point. Many are saved by transfusion than those that have reactions from it and most reactions don’t lead to death.

Did their transfusion save them?
(I'm speaking from experience, wetin my eyes see, no be hearsay.)

Blood transfusion saves millions, negligible numbers of people have reactions that don’t kill.

Stop lying that you are speaking from experience. You can’t have experience in blood transfusion than I am and I know that your claim is falsehoods.

Blood transfusions suppresses immunity, it's a proven medical research finding of John Hopkins University's Medical hospital/School.
Bros, read more,abeg you.

Send the full article/journal and I’ll expose your deception.

Repeated blood transfusion like done for those with sickle cell may suppress immunity but not transfusion done to save the life of someone bleeding from accidents or childbirth

MaxInDHouse:


This case is simple!
You believe eating blood is sin but you can take it through your veins during treatment while JWs beleive we must totally abstain from blood.
The difference here is the understanding Sir just as most religious leaders are telling their Church members not to take Covid19 vaccine whereas JWs are encouraged to take it.
So if members of your church die through Covid19 does that makes your religious leaders wicked for discouraging you from taking it?

Respond to this first:


I won’t allow you to derail this discussion further, the point is clear that JW is an extremist group that twisted the law of God that dead animals blood should not be drank like the idolaters do, but you twisted it to mean that those that need blood transfusion should die rather than take blood.

Even Jesus that you claim you follow said we should drink his blood because he was alive, he’s alive and will forever be alive.

Matthew 26:27-28
And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
“For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.”

Paul re affirmed what Jesus said:
1 Corinthians 11:25
In the same way He took the cup also after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.”


If you follow the teaching of Christ, you will follow his order of taking drinking his blood in Holy communion, if you don’t that means you’ve disobeyed him. If you do, that means you’re an hypocrite cos you preach against drinking of blood under any guise and yet you drink that of Christ.

MaxInDHouse:
Guy please go and relax, it's not by force that we agree on beliefs that's the essence of freedom of worship!

Respond to what I asked you, stop the game of blackmail

Janosky:

@ Matthew 5:40, Bros did Jesus Christ tell you his followers should join the Roman army ,nay any army?

Acts 5:29, JWs obey God rather than men.
John 18:36, Bros, digest & roger that.

Titus 3:1
Remind them to be subject to rulers, to authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good deed,

1 Peter 2:13-14
Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human institution, whether to a king as the one in authority, or to governors as sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and the praise of those who do right.

worlexy:

The same God that said “thou shall not kill” allowed Israel to kill their enemies. You can’t be smarter than God

But later sent His only begotten Son who now brought the final word on killing. Do you think people who rejected Jesus' teaching had no brains? Well these are the reasons why the rejected and even condemned him!
But we believe he is the most wonderful counselor the world ever had {Isaiah 9:6} God sent Moses who taught the Israelites to kill their enemies and through Moses foretold this same people that another Prophet will arise who will teach them something better {Deuteronomy 18:15-18} so when God told those faithful Jews in the first century saying:

“This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved. Listen to him” Matthew 17:5

It's clear that something New is about to be revealed through this person because God has never said so even if the messenger is an angel {Hebrews 1:6} so if you don't believe in God's Son well we do! John 3:16

Because Jesus had already said God doesn’t live in the Temple.
Destruction of temple in Jerusalem was prophesied by Jesus before it occurred.

Jerusalem Temple was destroyed due to the wicked way the Jews treated God's prophets sent to them most especially what they did to God's only begotten Son! Matthew 23:37-38

Guy you're totally confused!

Malicious Criticism is kicking you off balance so take your time to meditate thoroughly on what you want to say before accusing people simply because their faith is not in agreement with your thinking!

Jesus never drank blood neither did any of his followers back then so it's clear that God's son is using a metaphorical expression to pass across an important message. Please first get yourself together, know the import of Jesus' metaphorical expression before coming to a public forum like this to argue blindly!

Can you mention the name of your church now? Of course you won't because right thinking people will see such a church as the gathering of vampires!

worlexy:

Respond to this first:
I won’t allow you to derail this discussion further, the point is clear that JW is an extremist group that twisted the law of God that dead animals blood should not be drank like the idolaters do, but you twisted it to mean that those that need blood transfusion should die rather than take blood.
Even Jesus that you claim you follow said we should drink his blood because he was alive, he’s alive and will forever be alive.
Matthew 26:27-28
And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
“For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.”
Paul re affirmed what Jesus said:
1 Corinthians 11:25
In the same way He took the cup also after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.”
If you follow the teaching of Christ, you will follow his order of taking drinking his blood in Holy communion, if you don’t that means you’ve disobeyed him. If you do, that means you’re an hypocrite cos you preach against drinking of blood under any guise and yet you drink that of Christ.

Janosky:

"..deceptive and propaganda run ,subversive"
Inclusive of your family members?


Bros, continue DECEIVING yourself.
2 Peter 2:10,20-22. 2 Peter 3:2-7 said it all.

Yea,inclusive of my family members who are still with the dark org.

Nobody needs all these your stories!

Did our own God forbids us from blood intake? YES!

Did our own God approves the intake of alcohoic beverages? YES!
Go and tell your stories in your church, don't worry when your teachings begin yielding fruits observers will SEE whether it's positive or negative. Matthew 7:16-18
Until then that's what our own God said!

KNOWMORE56:


There you go again. Let's see the verses you quoted

*. Genesis 9:4 "KJV:But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not EAT."

*. Leviticus 17:14 "KJV:For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life thereof: therefore I said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall EAT THE BLOOD of no manner of flesh: for the life of all flesh is the blood thereof: whosoever eateth it shall be cut off."

*. Acts 15:29 "KJV:That ye ABSTAIN from meats offered to idols, and FROM BLOOD, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well."

Eating of blood and blood transfusion are not not the same!

How hard is it to understand?

Can you guys show me anywhere in the Word that blood transfusion was conducted?

Alcohol

For alcohol, check the link below:

https://www.nairaland.com/6566852/21-years-faith-not-tasted

*. Deuteronomy 14:22 "KJV:Thou shalt truly TITHE all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.
23
KJV:And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always.
24
KJV:And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it (the tithe); or if the place be too far from thee, which the Lord thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the Lord thy God hath blessed thee:
25
KJV: Then shalt thou turn it (the tithe) into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the Lord thy God shall choose:"
26
KJV: And thou shalt bestow that money ( tithe converted to money )for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink , or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the Lord thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,"

Note:
Tithe...thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God...if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it...then shalt thou turn it into money... and thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy heart shalt lusteth after... for strong drink (alcohol)

Are you saying that the GB and all JWs are practicing eating their tithes before the Lord in the house for His name?

Is bear parlour the house for His name?

MaxInDHouse:
Are you asking questions or making your own statement?

Please let me know exactly what you want me to do with this write-up!

Three questions and my observations and submissions .... Most of the solid study Bible apps I have comes right from Moscow of Russia by Russians .... That is why I asked you for the specific criticism that attracts government interventions ..... What exactly was the statement from JWs and then the rest of the other questions