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Re: How I Became An Atheist. by hucknall: 7:19am On Jul 31, 2021 |
I only read the front-page and I'm surprised that evolution didn't convince Op as a biochemist but niffy theory like the Big Bang . And what does relativity and the other one there has do with God. Also one guy there like his economic sense of reasoning and started claiming that religion made Africa broke. Wonders shall never end 1 Like |
Re: How I Became An Atheist. by hucknall: 7:19am On Jul 31, 2021 |
I only read the front-page and I'm surprised that evolution didn't convince Op as a biochemist but niffy theory like the Big Bang . And what does relativity and the other one there has do with God. Also one guy there like his economic sense of reasoning and started claiming that religion made Africa broke. Wonders shalll never end |
Re: How I Became An Atheist. by Workch: 7:50am On Jul 31, 2021 |
PeaceJoyLove:i was hoping to see a testable evidence for god but I didn’t see any |
Re: How I Became An Atheist. by Nobody: 8:39am On Jul 31, 2021 |
Workch:In that case, you have a long way to go in testable evidences. The rich man will not reveal the secret to you. Only things which are obsolete are revealed. Knowledge is the beginning of wisdom. Those who gave you big bang went into it when it wasn't testable. It is why it is called research - you search what is not testable. You merely looked into what others say. I'm giving you HINTS and where to look at and develop a conclusion not based on only what others say, but on what you come up with. Please, quickly go for your PhD and learn how desertations are done. And find out why some are giving awards for their papers. Having said this, you arent ready for the truth. And goodluck with basing your judgment on only what have been writing down and not what you can write down. As for me, I am into what I can write for generations to build on, and not explaining and stopping at what have been writing down already. You develop what is testable in the abstract. Most scientific studies coming to pass now were non testable, but some sat down to make them testable. Find God when and where you can find Him. I hope you know the verse. If you do, you will return to where most say you can find Him and start looking for the missing links there. But going elsewhere, na confusion you go meet. By the way, I checked your other threads and I saw where you said Jesus is in Mohammed's hell and Mohammed in Jesus'. Well, I understand you. Just cool off. God will lead you back to Him. Take care! Goodluck! And Goodbye! 1 Like |
Re: How I Became An Atheist. by Workch: 8:55am On Jul 31, 2021 |
PeaceJoyLove:if it doesn’t have evidence then we can say it’s real. As simple as that |
Re: How I Became An Atheist. by LordReed(m): 9:09am On Jul 31, 2021 |
PeaceJoyLove: This isn't what I said. I said I don't think we can definitively conclude that gods do not exist even though we can say some types do not exist. We have not explored enough of the universe to come to that conclusion was my reasoning. |
Re: How I Became An Atheist. by Pelecius: 10:18am On Jul 31, 2021 |
LordReed:For the "evolution has nothing to do with complexity" statement of faith
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Re: How I Became An Atheist. by Pelecius: 10:36am On Jul 31, 2021 |
Workch:To the screenshot below, you answered with "I ask questions and there answers there already" (paraphrased). The question begging here (what you wrote there is a simplified explanation and better seen as circular argument) is that I questioned your claim by asking if we are evolving, with continuous accumulation of mutation. Your answer implied yes in such a way of "you have said it already" without supporting it. A better example of question begging is: What evidence is there for abiogenesis? Ans: if it didn't occur, we won't be here
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Re: How I Became An Atheist. by Nobody: 11:06am On Jul 31, 2021 |
LordReed:I apologize for saying it in another way which may not show your real intention, but that you feel we cannot conclude that gods do not exist means you have researched some things. It is always like that. Big bang theory almost messed up my brain sir. Deep scientific research almost turned me to something else. And I was struggling inside, but people didn' know the battle within I was fighting. It used to be so real with those theories. And to cap it, I dived into sexual orientation. I am not forcing you or trying to make anyone follow me. I know what it feels like, so I cannot judge any one of you. Like this OP, he is still hot and really angry with the society cos he needs real evidences which can be tested. I felt such too in those days. But I didnt curse God or dived into atheism fast. |
Re: How I Became An Atheist. by LordReed(m): 11:14am On Jul 31, 2021 |
Pelecius: Is that you don't understand that complexity is not a mechanism of evolution or what is your exact hang up? |
Re: How I Became An Atheist. by LordReed(m): 11:18am On Jul 31, 2021 |
PeaceJoyLove: I don't know what you mean, I am an atheist and I will remain one till gods can be proven to exist. |
Re: How I Became An Atheist. by Workch: 11:34am On Jul 31, 2021 |
Pelecius:just stick to reading the Bible, you can never make it in philosophy and logic. I have never said Abiogenesis occurred, it's no one's probelm if you are too daft to differentiate evolution from Abiogenesis and then you keep mentioning it whenever we talk about evolution. That’s not how begging the question work. Dude, stop embarrassing yourself upandan. When you beg the questions, you make points and then you make your point sounds like a conclusion already. You are too stupid to learn but I will give you several examples. There’s no begging the question fallacy in the comment, if you had asked how accumulated mutations caused evolution and then I reply with “it’s a scientific fact that mutations lead to evolution” that would have been begging the question. I can’t beg the question when I didn’t make any point or whatsoever. |
Re: How I Became An Atheist. by Workch: 11:39am On Jul 31, 2021 |
Pelecius:the issue of complexity has been trashed since the 18th century and you are still stuck there. Increasing Complexity means evolution is directional/has a purpose and no evidence suggest that’s the case. Evolution doesn’t have a purpose, it’s directed by natural selection and it’s aim is not to make more complex organisms. The aim is to select organisms that are more adapted to a particular environmental condition. |
Re: How I Became An Atheist. by Karleb(m): 11:49am On Jul 31, 2021 |
The thread don turn to biology class. |
Re: How I Became An Atheist. by Pelecius: 1:11pm On Jul 31, 2021 |
LordReed: When did I say that complexity is a mechanism of evolution? |
Re: How I Became An Atheist. by Pelecius: 1:26pm On Jul 31, 2021 |
Workch:I have never said Abiogenesis occurred, it's no one's probelm if you are too daft to differentiate evolution from Abiogenesis and then you keep mentioning it whenever we talk about evolution. Did I mention it that you said abiogenesis occured? LWKD Can't you see that I gave it as an example to illustrate how the fallacy is used? Comprehension problem? When did I equate abiogenesis to evolution? Of course, I can't stoop low to use adhominem to emphasize points. The rule is to raise argument, not personal attacks So using abiogenesis as just ORDINARY EXAMPLE, can hurt someone's feeling? This is too funny Yet you used God and bible as example to illustrate circular reasoning. LWKM If you are not able to see that you referring me to your stated point as an answer to questioning the rationale behind such point is not an argument that prove your claim true, then i don't know what to say to you. And after putting it in perspective for you to understand, you went emotional, just for using abiogenesis as an example. Pathetic |
Re: How I Became An Atheist. by Pelecius: 1:39pm On Jul 31, 2021 |
Workch:Are you telling me that I should discard the opinion of sites of those who are invested in proving evolution for you who actually learn from them? Did you not see the pictures clearly? Were they my writings? Come on "learned" one, you seem to know evolution more than your "teachers" |
Re: How I Became An Atheist. by LordReed(m): 3:01pm On Jul 31, 2021 |
Pelecius: Well you still haven't answered the question of what you mean by genetic complexity. |
Re: How I Became An Atheist. by Pelecius: 3:07pm On Jul 31, 2021 |
LordReed:So you wouldn't admit that you erred and I didn't say it. It's just to shift grounds and see how you can stay afloat? |
Re: How I Became An Atheist. by LordReed(m): 3:12pm On Jul 31, 2021 |
Pelecius: Erred how? I asked you a question or didn't you see the question mark? LordReed: |
Re: How I Became An Atheist. by Nobody: 3:13pm On Jul 31, 2021 |
Image123: Life is absurd. |
Re: How I Became An Atheist. by Workch: 3:16pm On Jul 31, 2021 |
Pelecius:people who argue complexity don't even argue that evolution didn't happen and they obviously do not think that speciation has evidence and evolution doesn't. The argument they present is whether it's unidirectional or random. Evidence suggests that it's not unidirectional and that's why natural selection takes the weaker traits at any given point in time. A simple experiment to test this is to study the mutations in the spike proteins in the measles rebeola virus. Any single mutation in these proteins doesn't lead to any complexity, the virus loses its ability to enter host cells and it dies off. These example are very numerous in nature and that is why we have several genetic disorders. This is also the basis for the production of measles vaccine. You see why evolution is very important in biology? I don't expect you to understand anything I typed there but the basics is that evolution doesn't have any aim of increasing complexity. That's jargons. A mutation that is favourable today might be harmful tommorow, it's all depends on the certain environmental factors that ensures natural selection. So if you are talking about increasing complexity, maybe you learnt that from the Bible because that's obviously doesn't exist in science class. You don't know these because you learn science from the Bible, which is a very wrong place to learn about things that are real and existing. 1 Like |
Re: How I Became An Atheist. by Image123(m): 4:12pm On Jul 31, 2021 |
Re: How I Became An Atheist. by Nobody: 5:05pm On Jul 31, 2021 |
Image123: How can that help when there's no data to watch it?? |
Re: How I Became An Atheist. by Nobody: 5:14pm On Jul 31, 2021 |
Workch: But there's no reason why anything leads to life or death |
Re: How I Became An Atheist. by budaatum: 5:59pm On Jul 31, 2021 |
Workch: Funny. Should you not have first asked what Gods are? Still, I hope someone informed you that [url=https://classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+1%3A18&version=KJV]No man hath seen God at any time[/url], the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. I also hope anyone attempting to provide what you've requested is [url=https://classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+5%3A8&version=KJV]aware of the commandment they've broken[/url]. An image, afterall, is what you are requesting. |
Re: How I Became An Atheist. by Image123(m): 6:21pm On Jul 31, 2021 |
HellVictorinho: Here's the summary. 1Pe 5:7 KJV Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you. It's the safest known, most guaranteed way out of your predicament. 1 Like |
Re: How I Became An Atheist. by Pelecius: 7:09pm On Jul 31, 2021 |
Workch:people who argue complexity don't even argue that evolution didn't happen Absurd claim! You should say that evolutionists don't argue that evolution didn't happen. Or do you think that all scientists subscribe to evolution? Even with the risk involve in publicizing your scientific criticism of evolution (the Darwin "bulldogs" won't even allow such publication), thousands of scientists don't subscribe to it. Secondly, you had ignorantly joined the bandwagon in erroneously claiming that evolution has nothing to do with complexity. Why are you now implying that? Which should we take? That complexity have been trashed some centuries ago or people still discuss it (and is very relevant in evolutionary biology)? they obviously do not think that speciation has evidence and evolution doesn't. Again, you've limited yourself like the car battery analogy. Speciation does not equate to evolution. It's a well known mechanism and I have discussed that using some classic examples earlier. But you seem to be locked in your world of speciation belongs to evolution only, which is wrong. Just as a battery does not belong to a car only. The argument they present is whether it's unidirectional or random When I say you just begged the question now, all hell would be loosed. You are yet to show that your first paragraph is valid and true, yet, you assume it and now proceed to make a case for them. Evidence suggests that it's not unidirectional and that's why natural selection takes the weaker traits at any given point in time Do you mean that because evolution is not unidirectional, that's why natural selection take the weaker traits? (What's non sequitur again sef? ) Again, you just prove my point by declaring the general believe about evolution. The fact that it's allegedly not unidirectional indicates that there is increased complexity and even reduced complexity. The former is what we have been asking for it's evidence, the latter is what I have provided evidence for (which is definitely what most evolution dissenters talk about). In fact, the latter is what you set out to prove yourself, as will be seen. A simple experiment to test this is to study the mutations in the spike proteins in the measles rebeola virus. Any single mutation in these proteins doesn't lead to any complexity, the virus loses its ability to enter host cells and it dies off That has been what I had talked about. Just that in this case, the virus is not complex enough such that loss of genetic information (in the spike protein) is fatal for it. Unlike in higher organisms where loss of information in one part may be near neutral to such organism but accumulation of mutation in the genome will eventually lead to genetic entropy and eventually, extinction. These example are very numerous in nature and that is why we have several genetic disorders This is what creation scientists have predicted all along, and if not for modern medicine, humans should have reached a genetic bottleneck. Mutation has been the mechanism provided by Darwin and disciples as mechanism for gradual modification in gaining and developing new functions. But empirical studies have shown that opposite is usually the case. It's what we know, O "learned" one. You're the one who should study WIDE This is also the basis for the production of measles vaccine. You see why evolution is very important in biology? Funny. Measles vaccine is just another type of vaccine and vaccines have been developed before Darwin. One important one was even developed by Lois Pasteur (I mentioned his name specifically ). So how is vaccine production related to evolution? But believers would mostly enjoy some self delusion to maybe make themselves happy. Just like the usual mantra of anyone who does not subscribe to evolution (as evidence against it is just overwhelming) is ignorant and stupid. Anything to make believers happy I don't expect you to understand anything I typed Like I said earlier, anything to make believers happy . The way you've been postings since makes me doubt your stories. As I believe that one with such degree in Biochemistry should not be acting (both in knowledge and behavior) the way you've largely been. the basics is that evolution doesn't have any aim of increasing complexity. That's jargons. No one have said that as far as I have discussed. I only asked you to provide evidence of how speciation would lead to increased complexity, since you were equating speciation to evolution. And you can't argue increasing complexity again as I have provided screenshot of how evolution experts have tried to provide mechanism for it. You have only end up in attacking straw man. (Logic 101 ) So if you are talking about increasing complexity, maybe you learnt that from the Bible because that's obviously doesn't exist in science class. Your question begging epithet is noted. (Logic 101 ). I have attached a screenshot of few sites who promotes evolution and which talked about increased complexity. I want to believe that our "learned" one knows more than them . And since they talked about it, they must have learned it from the Bible. And what they present does not exist in our "learned" one's science class. LWKD You don't know these because you learn science from the Bible, which is a very wrong place to learn about things that are real and existing. Another absurd claim. We showed already that top organizations agree with what I have been saying. But seems you're the one who knows better, O "learned" one Clearly, those organizations must be talking about things that doesn't exist since they agree with me. LWKMD
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Re: How I Became An Atheist. by Pelecius: 3:52am On Aug 01, 2021 |
LordReed:The issue is that you vehemently excluded complexity from evolution as seen from this screenshot. Do you still hold on to that position? If yes, do you imply that those sites are wrong? If no, would you be willing to admit to being wrong?
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Re: How I Became An Atheist. by Pelecius: 4:26am On Aug 01, 2021 |
Image123:Word!!! |
Re: How I Became An Atheist. by Pelecius: 5:01am On Aug 01, 2021 |
hucknall:It made me wonder how genuine his story is. Great observation there |
Re: How I Became An Atheist. by Judybash93(m): 6:44am On Aug 01, 2021 |
Welcome to the bright side brother! 1 Like |
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