Bishopkingsley:


Actually what God is saying is that once I give you my holy spirit because the Righteousness of God is in the holy spirit

Then you will equally have the ability to carry out my laws my works

You can't do any good thing until God gives you his Righteousness (holy spirit)

Dtruthspeaker:


Then you were not in class when God said "TURN YOU AT MY REPROOF:"

after that, "... I will pour out my Spirit unto you, I will make known my words into you". Proverbs 1:23.

KaideeGee:

Sir, It's There in the scripture, I didn't write it, you can look it up for yourself

KaideeGee:
There is no righteousness apart from Christ. No matter how morally upright you are or how law abiding you are, you can never be right in God's eyes, it is only through faith in Jesus Christ the Son of God that we can obtain righteousness.

Bishopkingsley:


Did you see any place I said any one should continue in sin

Did you see any sin talk in the verse I state

You have to treat one part without mixing it up

What God is saying is that
No human beings can say they are Righteousness in the presence of God no matter the good works they do

God is saying the heart is sinful on it own even if the person is doing good works outwardly and you are fighting what God says

Continue to believe that doing Righteous works
Without having God Righteousness or without having the holy spirit will work for you

GardenOfGod:


@the emboldened:
That statement in itself is "boastful" that was exactly what Paul was trying to AVOID! "so that no man will" boast ".

Also,
[b]There is "God's righteousness" and there is "Christian's righteousness"
Eg. Of Christians righteousness is in
1. John. 14:15, "if you love me keep my COMMANDMENT (righteousness)"

2. 1 John. 5:3, "for this is the love of God, that we keep his COMMANDMENTS (Righteousness)"

3. 1 John 3:4–10. "Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness.(unrighteousness)
5 You know that he (Christ) appeared in order to take away sins, and in him there is no sin.
6 No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him.
7 Little children, let no one deceive you. Whoever practices righteousness is righteous, as he is righteous.
8 Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was rto destroy the works of the devil.
9 No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God.
10 By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who udoes not love his brother"

4. As Christians, you are expected to do what 2 Peter 1:3-9 says which is an act of righteousness,
"3 His divine power has given us everything we need for a godly (righteousness) life through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness.
4 Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature, having escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.
5 For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith goodness; and to goodness, knowledge;
6 and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness;
7 and to godliness, mutual affection; and to mutual affection, love.
8 For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9 But whoever does not have them is nearsighted and blind, forgetting that they have been cleansed from their past sins[/b]

God's righteousness is expressed in the spiritual working of man's salvation.

Man know thyself!

KaideeGee:
Here is to your second point Kobojunkie

For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified; for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them) in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel.
Romans 2:12‭-‬16 NKJV


Besides before the coming of Christ, there was a provision for sin in the form of sacrifices.
Christ has put an end to those imperfect sacrifices by giving Himself once and for all.

For such a High Priest was fitting for us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and has become higher than the heavens; who does not need daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the people’s, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself. For the law appoints as high priests men who have weakness, but the word of the oath, which came after the law, appoints the Son who has been perfected forever.
Hebrews 7:26‭-‬28 NKJV

What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid! (Romans 7:7)

^{Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified (Galatians 2:16)}

for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain (verse 21)

Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them (Galatians 3:10)

KaideeGee:
Kobojunkie Please if you can read the entire chapter of Romans 3 this discussion would not arise.
What then? Are we better than they? Not at all. For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin. As it is written: “There is none righteous, no, not one; There is none who understands; There is none who seeks after God. They have all turned aside; They have together become unprofitable; There is none who does good, no, not one.”
Romans 3:9‭-‬12 NKJV


There is no righteousness outside of Christ

KaideeGee:
Here is to your second point Kobojunkie

For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified; for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them) in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel.
Romans 2:12‭-‬16 NKJV


Besides before the coming of Christ, there was a provision for sin in the form of sacrifices.
Christ has put an end to those imperfect sacrifices by giving Himself once and for all.

For such a High Priest was fitting for us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and has become higher than the heavens; who does not need daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the people’s, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself. For the law appoints as high priests men who have weakness, but the word of the oath, which came after the law, appoints the Son who has been perfected forever.
Hebrews 7:26‭-‬28 NKJV

KaideeGee:
Dtruthspeaker

Please correct me if I am wrong, but I think Man is flesh, only that he is quickened by the Spirit of God

MaxInDHouse:
Then what is the difference between faithful servants of God who lived by the laws only and first century Jewish followers of Jesus who believe only in Jesus?

MightySparrow:

As Jesus said, ' Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old.
Matt. 13:52

KaideeGee:

Please correct me if I am wrong, but I think Man is flesh, only that he is quickened by the Spirit of God

KaideeGee:
Honestly, Mr. Kobojunkie, I can't say I understand the need for the contention, but let's leave it as it is, let's try our best to walk closer with GOD so He can give us the revelations of the truth.

Peace

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ Papa, i'm not asking you because i know you can never understand what i'm asking so you can't answer!

MightySparrow:

Ok o, omo GB.
The only self acclaimed people with the knowledge of God they don't know.
Ẹ Ku delusion o.

MaxInDHouse:


Just keep quiet when we talk!

MightySparrow:

Ok o.
I asked you what authority has your GB to take people out of God's grace. You have not answered o.

MaxInDHouse:
Just be patient and keep on asking! Matthew 7:7

MightySparrow:

What has this scripture to do from removing someone brought by the blood of Jesus from grace?
As you claim you follow Jesus, how many people did Jesus sent away?

Kobojunkie:
Your statement that Righteousness cannot be obtained outside of Jesus Christ is a lie and this as revealed there in scripture and even by Jesus Christ Himself.

Kobojunkie:
Your statement that Righteousness cannot be obtained outside of Jesus Christ is a lie and this as revealed there in scripture and even by Jesus Christ Himself.

KaideeGee:



Thank you Sir, I am very grateful for your opinion.

Kobojunkie:
It is not an opinion but a Truth.

To this day, there are those born of the Old Covenant Law of Moses, who are righteous in the sight of God. Yes, that Covenant still is an eternal Covenant and it still exists to this day. So, just as Jesus's father Joseph, among many others, even Zaccheus, were able to attain righteousness from the Old Covenant, much like Jesus Christ Himself was able to, there are still those who have been able to do so even today by following the Old Law of Moses and not the New Covenant, Jesus Christ.

Kobojunkie:
It is not an opinion but a Truth.

To this day, there are those born of the Old Covenant Law of Moses, who are righteous in the sight of God. Yes, that Covenant still is an eternal Covenant and it still exists to this day. So, just as Jesus's father Joseph, among many others, even Zaccheus, were able to attain God's righteousness through the following of the Old Covenant, much like Jesus Christ Himself was able to, there are many even after Jesus Christ and even to this day who continue to do so by obeying God's Old Law of Moses - That agreement is an eternal contract and will continue forever just as the New Covenant will.

KaideeGee:


Okay we understand, okay?
You can believe in righteousness apart from faith in Christ. I believe in righteousness through faith in Christ. There is no need for an argument. After all every one is entitled to do what He or she believes in.
Let's just hope this doesn't become a case of "I told you so".

17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19. Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. - Matthew 5 vs 17 - 20.