Kobojunkie:
1. OK

2. Submission in marriage did not begin today as it has been that way since Genesis 3 vs 14 - 19. So there isn't really anything contemporary about that since it has been so since God condemned man from Adam.

2000 years ago, Jesus Christ showed up offering those who will chose Him, Salvation from the condemnation of Sin, and so those who submit and obey the teachings and commandments of God's New Covenant are no longer condemned or cursed.

Let us tow your line of argument.

Your words say it all - Jesus Christ offered it. It is his to give, not yours to take by force. As a matter of fact, he never asked women to stop submitting. He simply asked you to choose Him. You said so yourself. It's then for him to remove the curse, not your place. Just as you cannot choose whether labour in childbirth will be painful or not.

You will also do well to remember what led to the curse in the first place - the woman taking it by herself, instead of waiting for it to be given to her, and the man listening to her, and eating it too.

Mordecai:


Let us tow your line of argument.

Your words say it all - Jesus Christ offered it. It is his to give, not yours to take by force. As a matter of fact, he never asked women to stop submitting. He simply asked you to choose Him. You said so yourself. It's then for him to remove the curse, not your place. Just as you cannot choose whether labour in childbirth will be painful or not.

You will also do well to remember what led to the curse in the first place - the woman taking it by herself, instead of waiting for it to be given to her, and the man listening to her, and eating it too.

I am afraid i don't follow at all.

Kobojunkie:
I am afraid i don't follow at all.

I will rephrase, and carry you along.

Since you are no longer under the curse, has childbirth ceased being painful?

Mordecai:

I will rephrase, and carry you along.

Since you are no longer under the curse, has childbirth ceased being painful?

Read what Jesus Christ said in John 6 vs 25 - 37 of seizing to work for food that perishes.

Read what Jesus said in Mark 16 vs 15 - 19 of how poison will not harm those who belong to Him.

Read what Jesus Christ said of how those who believe in Him shall not perish(become dust) but have eternal life- John 6 vs 47 - 58

Kobojunkie:


Read what Jesus Christ said in John 6 vs 25 - 37 of seizing to work for food that perishes.

Read what Jesus said in Mark 16 vs 15 - 19 of how poison will not harm those who belong to Him.

But we still work for food that perishes. Poison still harms us. That means the curse is not yet broken.

Dear Kobo,

Don't dig yourself into a bigger hole. I am sure by now, you know within yourself that your line of argument is watery at best and without substance.

Just as a wise man would not drink a bottle of sniper to show he belongs to Jesus, so would a wise woman submit to her husband. Submission is not slavery. It is trusting. And if she cannot submit, she should not marry. After all, her children who submit to her authority are not slaves either.

If a woman loses confidence and trust in her husband's leadership, like the free woman she is, she can opt out. That's freedom, and it comes with responsibilities, anyway.

Mordecai:

1. But we still work for food that perishes. Poison still harms us. That means the curse is not yet broken.

2. Dear Kobo,Don't dig yourself into a bigger hole. I am sure by now, you know within yourself that your line of argument is watery at best and without substance.

3. Just as a wise man would not drink a bottle of sniper to show he belongs to Jesus, so would a wise woman submit to her husband. Submission is not slavery. It is trusting. And if she cannot submit, she should not marry. After all, her children who submit to her authority are not slaves either.

If a woman loses confidence and trust in her husband's leadership, like the free woman she is, she can opt out. That's freedom, and it comes with responsibilities, anyway.

Again, Jesus Christ said the redemption He offers is to those who submit to and obey Him.

1. You mention that you still work for your food where Jesus Christ says you should not do so. You hold fasy to the curse yet you refusing Jesus Christ's offer to yoj that you instead work for bread that sustains to eternity which only He can give. Is it that you are of the mind that you can, reject Jesus Christ and still benefit from that which He has promised to those who submit to and obey Him?

2. My line of argument is watery because you do choose to not believe in Jesus Christ and what He has declared?

3. So in your reasoning is that , though the redemption offered by Jesus Christ is conditioned on continual submission and obedience of Jesus Christ and Him alone, a wise woman ought to continue rejecting His teachings, submitting instead to her husband? So she is wise in holding on to the curse rather than letting go of it to gain redemption offered her by Jesus Christ?

Kobojunkie:
Again, Jesus Christ said the redemption He offers is to those who submit to and obey Him.

1. You mention that you still work for your food where Jesus Christ says you should not do so. Do you believe you can go against HIm and still obtain that which He promises to those who submit to and obey Him?

2. My line of argument is watery because you do not believe in what Jesus Christ says and declares?

3. So in your reasoning, even though the redemption offered by Jesus Christ is conditioned on compleye trust and obedience of Jesus Christ alone, is that a woman should refuse to trust and obey Jesus Christ only to show she is wise?.

1. Please point out to me where Jesus asked man not to work for food that perishes.

2. It is watery because you are trying to arrogate to yourself the place of Jesus, trying to give to yourself that which He should give to you.

3. I am surprised to hear from you that the redemption is predicated on complete trust and obedience to Jesus alone. Jesus himself talked about obedience to his Father, about the prophets that came before him, and specifically noted he didn't come to abolish their works. So tell me, where is the wisdom in assuming things Jesus never asked you to do? Or did he ever ask women to stop submitting to their husbands? Is there any such explicit command of which we are not aware?

Akuruoulo:

It would have been better if you read out those verses they were afraid to read

They come right after the submission of, so it's just a matter of reading on rather than selectively reading.

Mordecai:

1. Please point out to me where Jesus asked man not to work for food that perishes.

2. It is watery because you are trying to arrogate to yourself the place of Jesus, trying to give to yourself that which He should give to you.

3. I am surprised to hear from you that the redemption is predicated on complete trust and obedience to Jesus alone. Jesus himself talked about obedience to his Father, about the prophets that came before him, and specifically noted he didn't come to abolish their works. So tell me, where is the wisdom in assuming things Jesus never asked you to do? Or did he ever ask women to stop submitting to their husbands? Is there any such explicit command of which we are not aware?

1. John 6 vs 25 - 37

2. How do I give myself that which Jesus Christ already gives those who belong to Him?

3. You don't know what Jesus Christ said, do you? Please pick up a Bible and read through the gospels so you know His Truth before you continue.

Kobojunkie:
1. John 6 vs 25 - 37

2. How do I give myself that which Jesus Christ already gives those who belong to Him?

3. You don't know what Jesus Christ said, do you? Please pick up a Bible and read through the gospels so you know His Truth before you continue.

Dear Kobo,

You have me at wit's end now

I have to admit defeat here.

You see, I, just like over 6 billion humans on the planet are still sinners, and thus have to work to eat. We have not yet attained your level of spiritual growth

Let us continue to do it the way we always have. In the meantime, might I suggest you marry a sinless man like you, that can drink sniper, and doesn't work for his food. (This includes cooking, by the way ). Don't marry a man like me. Else, he will expect submission.

With a man like that, you can do no wrong, as both of you would be without sin or reproach. You will have painless childbirth (the kids will be like we the sinners anyway). You will drink poison, and it would not harm you. You will both live forever and never die.

You win, my dear.

LilMissFavvy:
The last time I was curious enough to read about the causes of marriages collapsing, infidelity was the number reason, not submission, so this people can continue to spew whatever they wish, the only thing that bothers me is that they never preach LOVE/SUBMISSION hand in hand, as Bible recorded it. Yes, I believe in man loving his wife and wife submitting as Bible mentioned, but what these preachers preach is not complete, I see them as preachers who just want to garner the attention of men with reasons best known to them, my opinion anyway.

Sis, why not preach the other part. The scriptures are available all around. If Paul plant and Apollo waters, the lords increase is what matters. Nothing bad if you take the other part and explain for all. You will definitely bless us all.

BRATISLAVA:


Thanks for your contribution.

Religious men can be really oppressive in matters concerning women. Most men and their pastors need to read their Bibles thoroughly, not only the places they like because it supports them, but even the most hidden reaches. Most women in such unions are miserable.

I'm always surprised to see that pastors read their Bibles and stop on that verse, and never go beyond it. Is it that loving ones wife isn't important? Isn't it as much a commandment as they feel the submission verse is? The men who refuse to read beyond that are in the same danger they feel women who aren't submissive are.

This is one of the reasons I stopped listening to pastors. They are too lopsided in their reading and interpretation of the Bible. Most of the time it is because it tickles their fancy.

Bro, why not start preaching the other part or better still preach the complete message as you mentioned. The world will listen to you and God will surely be happy seeing you doing his work. We shouldn't stop at criticizing, let's roll up sleeves and work the work. Start today, and daily teach the scriptures and raise disciples who will do the same.

Mordecai:



Dear Kobo,
You have me at wit's end now
I have to admit defeat here.
You see, I, just like over 6 billion humans on the planet are still sinners, and thus have to work to eat. We have not yet attained your level of spiritual growth

Let us continue to do it the way we always have. In the meantime, might I suggest you marry a sinless man like you, that can drink sniper, and doesn't work for his food. (This includes cooking, by the way ). Don't marry a man like me. Else, he will expect submission.

With a man like that, you can do no wrong, as both of you would be without sin or reproach. You will have painless childbirth (the kids will be like we the sinners anyway). You will drink poison, and it would not harm you. You will both live forever and never die.

You win, my dear.

1. Jesus Christ's Kingdom is not moved by numbers... as many are called but fee are chosen . Only the few who will submit and obey will gain that which is promised. This isn't about "spiritual growth" but about submission - letting go of your ego and self and choosing instead to obey Jesus Christ, God's Law.

2. Like I said earlier, this was never a discussion about contemporary marriage but about marriage according to Jesus Christ. The Oyedepo woman pretends she speaks the Truth of Jesus Christ but instead lies in His name. This because she does not understand that she holds fast to a curse placed on women by God ans has convinced herself her cursed state is her divine role as as a woman. That is my main reason here

3. Never said I was looking for a man or woman, so I I not certain why you even feel your advice is needed , this after I made it more than clear that I submit and obey only Jesus Christ in all things.

Kobojunkie:
1. Jesus Christ's Kingdom is not moved by numbers... as many are called but fee are chosen . Only the few who will submit and obey will gain that which is promised. This isn't about "spiritual growth" but about submission - letting go of your ego and self and choosing instead to obey Jesus Christ, God's Law.

2. Like I said earlier, this was never a discussion about contemporary marriage but about marriage according to Jesus Christ. The Oyedepo woman pretends she speaks the Truth of Jesus Christ but instead lies in His name. This because she does not understand that she holds fast to a curse placed on women by God ans has convinced herself her cursed state is her divine role as as a woman. That is my main reason here

3. Never said I was looking for a man or woman, so I I not certain why you even feel your advice is needed , this after I made it more than clear that I submit and obey only Jesus Christ in all things.

Apologies, Kobo.

I write as a carnal man while you my dear, are a saint.

We still feel the weight of the curse, so pardon us if we speak out of turn. For us, submission by a wife to her husband is still the natural order.

One day, we might become like you. Maybe. Just maybe.

Mordecai:

Apologies, Kobo.

I write as a carnal man while you my dear, are a saint.

We still feel the weight of the curse, so pardon us if we speak out of turn. For us, submission by a wife to her husband is still the natural order.

One day, we might become like you. Maybe. Just maybe.

Heaven is not for everyone... I have had to come to terms with that.

And I honestly think it is better to perish without Jesus Christ- as an unbeliever- than to pretend to serve Him only to then end up spending eternity in Hell.

jesusjnr2020:
The worst part is that, whether knowingly or unknowingly, they're trying to take the place of God in a woman's life , but thank God it's not up to them but up to the woman to decide if she'd let that happen.

That's why God would on some occasions deem it necessary to prevent some woman from marrying, because it would undermine their chances of being all He wants them to be, since the man or husband may want to take His position as her Lord and Master over the woman life, and a man cannot have two masters, so that would likely mean He is likely the One to miss out.

Kudos though to all those women as Mary who have chosen not to let that happen to God, as they place Him and His Word above everything else including the man or their husband.

And that good part which they've chosen, no man can take away from them. Luke 10:42

Thanks and God bless.

I am surprised how you see submission as hindering progress. Guess that's a set mind.

People work in different places under different employer and are submitted to the authority there. They don't take actions without being approved. They don't exert their own authority if such position is not for them. Yet, they excel and progress and do when in their endeavor.
How you now see submission in marriage as progress stopper is beyond even common sense and definitely the scriptures.

Take this or leave it, The system of this world already has naturally confined humanity under submission in all places whether by government, career, work, family, travels, vocation etc. You submit to authority and instruction of a driver even in a bus traveling for your safety.

It will be a denial of truth to think submission in marriage is a recipe to woman backwardness.

Well I guess many times we speak within the confined of our experiences and environment. Maybe that's what is playing out here.

You may need to visit the scriptures again to understand that receiving submission isn't just about control or lording but caring, nurturing and protecting the one who submit.

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ is God's New Covenant Law in the Kingdom of God and according to Him, and since we become members of His Kingdom even here on earth, it is included in His Law that marriage remains as defined by God in the beginning, this before God cursed man and woman for their sins against Him - Genesis 2 vs 24

2. The promise of the Kingdom of God belongs, not to those of the Old Covenant, but to those of the New Covenant and so when Jesus Christ was asked the question, He phrased His response in the context of the Kingdom of God, the Kingdom He came to bring to those who will believe in Him.

So Jesus Christ used the opportunity to make it clear that the marriages we have begin and end in this world and are not a part of His Kingdom.

1. Marriage has absolutely nothing to do with curse on the woman, this is pure heresy
2. Marriage is God ordained and was not repudiated by Jesus
3. Salvation, rapture and resurrection is individual... It is separated from marriage. Even the scripture talks about 2 being together and one shall be taken

LilMissFavvy:
My comment is the truth, and I have nothing to gain speaking lies, neither would that be enough reason for me to leave my church, so I keep going despite the submission preaching without love. So Madam church goer, remain in your lane, you are not needed.

Then you need to change your church.

Typical Nigerian feminist. Enjoy your lane.

hupernikao:


Bro, why not start preaching the other part or better still preach the complete message as you mentioned. The world will listen to you and God will surely be happy seeing you doing his work. We shouldn't stop at criticizing, let's roll up sleeves and work the work. Start today, and daily teach the scriptures and raise disciples who will do the same.

I'm not a pastor.

And from the response to that guys post, you can see how men don't want to listen to him because it doesn't rub their egos. Even if it's the truth.

It's up to the ones who say they were called by God to be genuine and read all, not some parts of the Bible only.

Many men will go to hell the way they practice selective Christianity. And that is going to be their fault for not reading their Bibles thoroughly, and listening to their pastors blindly.

We've preached enough for women since Christianity came to Africa, but when will men preach about themselves? Hopefully one will rise up who will. Feminism is a direct result of men forgetting their true purpose and needless oppression of women, by then not walking in the love the next verses state after the submission one.

BRATISLAVA:


I'm not a pastor.

And from the response to that guys post, you can see how men don't want to listen to him because it doesn't rub their egos. Even if it's the truth.

It's up to the ones who say they were called by God to be genuine and read all, not some parts of the Bible only.

Many men will go to hell the way they practice selective Christianity. And that is going to be their fault for not reading their Bibles thoroughly, and listening to their pastors blindly.

We've preached enough for women since Christianity came to Africa, but when will men preach about themselves? Hopefully one will rise up who will. Feminism is a direct result of men forgetting their true purpose and needless oppression of women, by then not walking in the love the next verses state after the submission one.

You don't have to be a pastor to teach to preach. That seems an easy excuse.

Also you have so much assumption in your response since you know what has been preached enough in the whole of Africa.

But my submission is simple. When others don't do what you feel is right, pick it up and do it. Aren't you doing it for God. It shouldn't be easy to criticize than to do your part.

Since you have read the scriptures for yourself and well, help others preach your message and be useful for God to help others see the truth you proclaim. If you aren't doing this, you may be doing worse than what you criticize. No one get rewarded or approved by just criticizing. So start today, hit the street, the media and I will await and be glad to read your contribution to blessing lives than criticizing others.

Kobojunkie:

A. Again, Jesus Christ gave salvation from all the curses listed in Genesis 3 vs 14 - 19 to all those who will submit to and obey Him.

B. Again, Jesus Christ gave salvation from all the curses listed in Genesis 3 vs 14 - 19 to all those who will submit to and obey Him. If you don't understand what this means, ask.

C. Jesus Christ was addressing an audience of Old Covenant Law adherents. What would have been the point of Him addressing the position of a woman to a man with these men when the Old Covenant which they follow does not offer them Salvation from the condemnation of Sin as defined by God in Genesis 3 vs 14 - 19?

D. Jesus Christ, God's Law in the Kingdom of God declared in Matthew 23 vs 7 - 10 that He alone is Head and Authority over each of those who belong to Him - male and female alike. So no one who belongs to Jesus Christ can have another as head over him/her.

You claim I don't understand what salvation means with respect to Gen 3: 14-19. Can you now explain what it means and give practical examples just as you did with the man-woman equality issue?

2. Jesus so many times offered them concepts that were strange to their beliefs. E.g The son of man is lord over the Sabbath, It is good to do good deeds on the Sabbath, etc. He even condemned their hypocrisy in Matthew. So your premise is false. As a matter of fact, he said in Luke that he was sent to the lost sheep of Israel. Lastly, his work of salvation was actually offered to them first!! His disciples were Jews too weren't they?

But Paul who was the person who described Jesus as head of the church also said man is the head of a woman. Or have you not read it so?
Do you even believe the Pauline epistles or you have your own ideas different from them?

I never begged for your inputs, so shut the helll up. Now begin to check threads in this section, for every 100,000, 000 threads that speaks on submission, you will have 1 thread' that talks about husband's loving. Exactly the same is what is happening in churches, because most of these threads emanate from the church, you can fool yourself not me.

ImaIma1:


Then you need to change your church.

Typical Nigerian feminist. Enjoy your lane.

What are you talking about? Am I a MOG? Do I own a church? You men know the truth yet can never remind your MOGs to preach the needful. You hate it when people speak up.

hupernikao:


Sis, why not preach the other part. The scriptures are available all around. If Paul plant and Apollo waters, the lords increase is what matters. Nothing bad if you take the other part and explain for all. You will definitely bless us all.

hupernikao:


I am surprised how you see submission as hindering progress. Guess that's a set mind.

People work in different places under different employer and are submitted to the authority there. They don't take actions without being approved. They don't exert their own authority if such position is not for them. Yet, they excel and progress and do when in their endeavor.
How you now see submission in marriage as progress stopper is beyond even common sense and definitely the scriptures.

Take this or leave it, The system of this world already has naturally confined humanity under submission in all places whether by government, career, work, family, travels, vocation etc. You submit to authority and instruction of a driver even in a bus traveling for your safety.

It will be a denial of truth to think submission in marriage is a recipe to woman backwardness.

Well I guess many times we speak within the confined of our experiences and environment. Maybe that's what is playing out here.

You may need to visit the scriptures again to understand that receiving submission isn't just about control or lording but caring, nurturing and protecting the one who submit.

If you can't see that the idea of a woman being obligated to submit to her husband is a man-made idea, and not of God, then you may never be able get the point.

The only time God ever said such a thing was as a punishment for the woman's role in the fall of man. Try and read Genesis 3 again.

Nothing like that beforehand for God gave both of them authority over the earth and everything He made in the beginning, but as for submission, they were both meant to be submitted to His Own authority, that is the man and his wife, not someone else.

That's what Jesus came to restore, to put God back in charge, therefore for those who claim to be of God, yet want to keep the woman under bondage to such a curse of sin which Jesus had redeemed her from, they are rubbishing the efforts of Jesus in that regard.

Jesus ought to be the Lord and Master over every Christian marriage, not man, because there cannot be two masters in a home. It's either Him or the man, there are no two ways about.

People saying this probably don't know the gravity of what they're saying talking about women submitting to their husbands, since husbands are mere men and humans, therefore taking putting such an authority in their hands instead of God's, would most likely lead to some dangerous repercussions, because men could be evil as most men are.

Obviously the ego of men, including those who claim to be Christians would make it hard for them to accept this Truth, because they want to remain superior and stifling the woman integral to that.

But whom the Son of Man has set free from the bondage of sin is free indeed, so there's nothing any man can do to change that.

God bless.

LilMissFavvy:
I never begged for your inputs, so shut the helll up. Now begin to check threads in this section, for every 100,000, 000 threads that speaks on submission, you will have 1 thread' that talks about husband's loving. Exactly the same is what is happening in churches, because most of these threads emanate from the church, you can fool yourself not me.

Is Nairaland your church? Are you talking of what they preach on NL or in church?

You are just the epitome of a Nigerian feminist; just spewing venom and ready to attack like a tiger.

Learn to communicate without throwing insults. It will make you feel and sound less frustrated. And be careful that you don't get poisoned by your own venom.

Peace

Agboriotejoye:

You claim I don't understand what salvation means with respect to Gen 3: 14-19. Can you now explain what it means and give practical examples just as you did with the man-woman equality issue?

2. Jesus so many times offered them concepts that were strange to their beliefs. E.g The son of man is lord over the Sabbath, It is good to do good deeds on the Sabbath, etc. He even condemned their hypocrisy in Matthew. So your premise is false. As a matter of fact, he said in Luke that he was sent to the lost sheep of Israel. Lastly, his work of salvation was actually offered to them first!! His disciples were Jews too weren't they?

But Paul who was the person who described Jesus as head of the church also said man is the head of a woman. Or have you not read it so?
Do you even believe the Pauline epistles or you have your own ideas different from them?

1. For the umpteenth time, Salvation means redemption from the Curse laid on man in Genesis 3 vs 14 - 19.
Those who are redeemed are no longer cursed to sweat for food that spoils, they will not die but have eternal life, they no longer submit to man but to God alone, they are no longer cursed with painful childbirth - again redeemed from the Curse.

2. I don't understand much of your #2, so I wil respond to the bit at the end that I kind of get. Yes, Jesus Christ was sent to the Lost sheep of Israel and it was for them that He lived His life in fulfillment of the Old Covenant Law and died too. However, upon His resurrection the same Jesus Christ threw up the gates to the same Kingdom of God to those in the world when He sent His disciples out to go preach His Gospel to all.

3. Jesus Christ's taught His followers that they are not to install themselves as Maater/Head over any of the others, declaring that He alone is Master/Head over each one who belongs to Him. So what Paul supposedly taught is against Jesus Christ, God's Law and we know it is sin to add, remove or Change any of that which is of God's Law, Jesus Christ.

BRATISLAVA:


I'm not a pastor.

And from the response to that guys post, you can see how men don't want to listen to him because it doesn't rub their egos. Even if it's the truth.

It's up to the ones who say they were called by God to be genuine and read all, not some parts of the Bible only.

Many men will go to hell the way they practice selective Christianity. And that is going to be their fault for not reading their Bibles thoroughly, and listening to their pastors blindly.

We've preached enough for women since Christianity came to Africa, but when will men preach about themselves? Hopefully one will rise up who will. Feminism is a direct result of men forgetting their true purpose and needless oppression of women, by then not walking in the love the next verses state after the submission one.

Don't mind them.

They think it's right for a man to be sexist, and I can't remember ever hearing any sermon about that, but it's feminism that they're obsessed with because of their ego as it threatens their position as men.

Any man who finds nothing wrong with sexism but keeps speaking against feminism is a hypocrite!

hupernikao:


You don't have to be a pastor to teach to preach. That seems an easy excuse.

Also you have so much assumption in your response since you know what has been preached enough in the whole of Africa.

But my submission is simple. When others don't do what you feel is right, pick it up and do it. Aren't you doing it for God. It shouldn't be easy to criticize than to do your part.

Since you have read the scriptures for yourself and well, help others preach your message and be useful for God to help others see the truth you proclaim. If you aren't doing this, you may be doing worse than what you criticize. No one get rewarded or approved by just criticizing. So start today, hit the street, the media and I will await and be glad to read your contribution to blessing lives than criticizing others.

It's not an excuse. I'm not a pastor.

I'm not assuming what is preached in African churches. Tell me which African country doesn't preach that verse, but it is Nigerians who tend to dwell on the submission part the most. The rest can extend it to men loving their wives and what comes next. But hardly ever the Nigerian pastor. There is no need to dwell so much on women being submissive when there are so many other verses on marriage for men that are neglected.

Because I once read a Bible doesn't mean I'm into religious Christianity. I have read other religious books, but it won't make me begin to preach on them.

If you feel it is criticism, that's alright. Calling out a wrong in Christian religion doesn't mean one must become a pastor. If I criticize bombing and beheading, does that mean I must become an imam? Would that be the only way to tell people the truth? If they feel criticized, then they will have to keep taking the criticism.

Madam most of the posts here are usually from our MOGs, dig up the threads and stop asking me rubissh.

Were you polite in your message? Did you not draw to a conclusion of saying I don't go church, very stupid Buffon. You must be out of your mind this morning. Daft to the extent you can't comprehend a simple message, did I say NL is my church, sighs.

ImaIma1:


Is Nairaland your church? Are you talking of what they preach on NL or in church?

You are just the epitome of a Nigerian feminist; just spewing venom and ready to attack like a tiger.

Learn to communicate without throwing insults. It will make you feel and sound less frustrated. And be careful that you don't get poisoned by your own venom.

Peace

LilMissFavvy:
Madam most of the posts here are usually from our MOGs, dig up the threads and stop asking me rubissh.

Were you polite in your message? Did you not draw to a conclusion of saying I don't go church, very stupid Buffon. You must be out of your mind this morning. Daft to the extent you can't comprehend a simple message, did I say NL is my church, sighs.

"You are gonna catch a cold from the ice inside your soul"

Below was my first comment.

At bolded, it means you don't got to church

Now what did you say about my first comment being impolite, madam Daft Buffon? Be smart! You are all over the place. Are you going through a breakup? Frustrated or something. Speak up before you drown in your pool of bitterness.

jesusjnr2020:
Don't mind them.

They think it's right for a man to be sexist, and I can't remember ever hearing any sermon about that, but it's feminism that they're obsessed with because of their ego as it threatens their position as men.

Any man who finds nothing wrong with sexism but keeps speaking against feminism is a hypocrite!

I don't know why it's hard for people to learn from Jesus. Sexism/masochism isn't of God. All it does is oppress and raise strife, to tell you that it is of no good value. It seems submission is the only verse in some people's Bibles.

That particular Bible verse is always preached, but the Bible has many other verses that talk about what the character of a man should be like, both at home and abroad. It even talks about a man's ability to provide for his family and how to care for them.

Yet these topics aren't touched while pastors beat on submission year in and year out. These people add and subtract to the Bible as they please, while their members get an ego massage. Dangerous brand of Christianity.

Feminism isn't dangerous when they want their wives to wear trousers. It isn't dangerous when they need feminists tithes. It is not dangerous when they want an affair with a feminist. It's not to be outlawed when their daughters are making career gains.

There would be no feminism if men were considerate about women.

jesusjnr2020:
If you can't see that the idea of a woman being obligated to submit to her husband is a man-made idea, and not of God, then you may never be able get the point.

The only time God ever said such a thing was as a punishment for the woman's role in the fall of man. Try and read Genesis 3 again.

Nothing like that beforehand for God gave both of them authority over the earth and everything He made in the beginning, but as for submission, they were both meant to be submitted to His Own authority, that is the man and his wife, not someone else.

That's what Jesus came to restore, to put God back in charge, therefore for those who claim to be of God, yet want to keep the woman under bondage to such a curse of sin which Jesus had redeemed her from, they are rubbishing the efforts of Jesus in that regard.

Jesus ought to be the Lord and Master over every Christian marriage, not man, because there cannot be two masters in a home. It's either Him or the man, there are no two ways about.

People saying this probably don't know the gravity of what they're saying talking about women submitting to their husbands, since husbands are mere men and humans, therefore taking putting such an authority in their hands instead of God's, would most likely lead to some dangerous repercussions, because men could be evil as most men are.

Obviously the ego of men, including those who claim to be Christians would make it hard for them to accept this Truth, because they want to remain superior and stifling the woman integral to that.

But whom the Son of Man has set free from the bondage of sin is free indeed, so there's nothing any man can do to change that.

God bless.

God bless you for this.

I've learned something new from this post.