Karleb:


That must be Victor Ipkeazu.

It's so bad that my Dad got a government work side hustle as a retiree, they still owed him.

Abroad is the best for programmers. Most people who started learning to code a year ago abroad are now with atleast a paid internship, some of them are not that good sef. In some certain European countries, some of them are employed then taught how to code on the job while earning.

I see them celebrate everyday on Twitter and LinkedIn. It's just so easy for those guys, even their freelancers are finding it too easy on upwork and Co.

Man, my own future ambition is to leave this country before I'm 30.

tensazangetsu20:
Tech twitter has been on fire this past few days. First was the new startup law being passed that will see the government taking one percent of startup revenue especially fintechs and the second was the closure of accounts belonging to fintech companies like risevest, investbamboo, and trove. This is just 2 months after the crypto ban.

I predicted this will happen a few months back but some people as usual called me a pessimist. Now, this has happened. They came for gokada first citing stupid reasons yet okadas are still in Lagos driving anyhow. They blocked remittances and made it very difficult to receive money. If you work remotely in Nigeria for a foreign company, you can attest to how difficult it is to receive money. I know people who have lost their jobs just because the companies they work for could not figure out how they could pay them in Nigeria then add the epileptic electricity supply and the bad internet.

If you are a programmer, trust me you are amongst the elite. Walai every day I regret not discovering the tech industry earlier. There's a fucking huge demand for programmers outside the shores of Africa. Latin America, Europe, and Asia. A lot of people think japa and will be thinking USA and Canada. Getting a work visa to these countries as a Nigerian living in Nigeria is almost impossible. It has happened for some people but its not the norm and you should not place your hope on it. The USA has a cap on the amount of work visas that go out every year and those visas most times go to OPT candidates (people who have schooled in the US). Canada doesnt have a cap but they prefer permanent residents or citizens to processing a work visa from scratch for an outsider. Australia same thing.

There are other countries that exist that do not have a cap on work visas and are desperately looking for programmers. These countries can be used as a stepping stone to your final dream destination instead of wasting your life in Nigeria looking for a US or Canadian visa. Countries like portugal, spain, brazil, mexico, vietnam, japan, south korea. The list is endless. These are countries desperately looking for programmers and their work visas arent difficult to get. Their governments are even encouraging tech migration to prepare for the next industrial revolution. As a Nigerian you have a serious advantage getting there. You speak English. English is the unofficial defacto language of the IT industry. If you go on linkedin and search tech jobs in this countries, you would find out that one of the requirements for most of these jobs is professional english proficiency. Their citizens dont have it and a few who have it are headhunted to countries like the US and Canada leaving a huge gap for skilled third worlders like Nigerians to take advantage of. A japanese programmer who speaks english really well can get into the USA easily. Japan has a visa waiver program with the USA and is one of the few countries that shares a working holiday visa with the US. Brazil has one with germany. Uruguay has with sweden. These are countries you should target because their own people are leaving presenting a very huge gap. Once you can get into these countries, leaving to your dream destination isnt too difficult and even if you dont want to leave, these countries have a lot of opportunities for you to build your own tech business. Their governments are very progressive. Their people arent poor or getting poorer and are very open to using technology. Theres another way of getting to the US via L1 company transfer but how many american tech companies exist in Nigeria and whats the size of the engineering team? These countries have as much 2000 to 3000 size engineering teams. You can move there, switch jobs to an american company and request for an L1 company transfer. The possibilities are limitless.

I myself started testing this theory out and I have gotten ten interviews from companies in Ukraine, Poland, Belarus, Vietnam, and Chile. I am in the mid way of 3 and I really hope one goes through as I want to leave the zoo fast.

You might say stay in Nigeria and start a tech business. Well with what the government is doing to startups and the purchasing power of Nigerians reducing everyday, I dont know how that would be viable. NIgeria is so bad to the point that to eat food is a problem. Growing up, Nigeria was never at a level where food will be a problem. Festival periods and we would have food from all our neighbours even the poorest. Now thas not done and the worst is yet to come.

You can say stay in Nigeria and continue remote. Trust me remote work is sweet in your 20s but a sponsorship job is better as you would be provided insurance for, pension plans and all of that which remote work wont give you and remote jobs arent stable especially with small companies. You can lose them anytime and you need to start looking again. Its not bad in your 20s but will you be doing this at 40 and above. Will you be applying to remote jobs at 50 when your mates who migrated are CTOs for fortune 500 companies earning millions of dollars every year while you are looking for scraps in remote.

Make haste o.

Karleb:


That must be Victor Ipkeazu.

It's so bad that my Dad got a government work side hustle as a retiree, they still owed him.

Abroad is the best for programmers. Most people who started learning to code a year ago abroad are now with atleast a paid internship, some of them are not that good sef. In some certain European countries, some of them are employed then taught how to code on the job while earning.

I see them celebrate everyday on Twitter and LinkedIn. It's just so easy for those guys, even their freelancers are finding it too easy on upwork and Co.

Man, my own future ambition is to leave this country before I'm 30.

PeaceJoyLove:


You are not even up to 30 and your tongue is sharp. I had to check your stuff and I SMH. You see humble boys celebrate everytime; yet, you beat your chest up and down NL daily. SMH. You better add humility to your resume.

PeaceJoyLove:

I am not saying boys and girls should not move out...infact, I am moving out too again also cos I have done my best too in the little ways God sent me. However, I do not appreciate the way OP is doing it.

He is going to be a secondary citizen where he is going. Well, who cares about that? But the issue is that he has relatives here. So? What about that?

Anyone who talks like OP has the tendency to just leave, forget about Nigeria, even abandon everything including his friends.

With that kind of style, they always return only when they want to contest for political positions. Though, they tell you they will not, but trust me ...they will.

And if care is not taking, there are jobs he will want or progress he desires that he needs to still look Niaja side. If Naija is destroyed, he wont have such. No matter what and whenever he fills any form, he will forever wrote Nigeria as his place of birth. The reference will be there for the rest of his life. That's it.

So, why cant we be positive in the midst of calamities? I dont pray Nigeria turns to Afghanistan.

So sir, take back your statement. Nigeria will never go beyond redemption. If you understand this negative statement, you will never utter it.

PeaceJoyLove:

I am not saying boys and girls should not move out...infact, I am moving out too again also cos I have done my best too in the little ways God sent me. However, I do not appreciate the way OP is doing it.

He is going to be a secondary citizen where he is going. Well, who cares about that? But the issue is that he has relatives here. So? What about that?

Anyone who talks like OP has the tendency to just leave, forget about Nigeria, even abandon everything including his friends.

With that kind of style, they always return only when they want to contest for political positions. Though, they tell you they will not, but trust me ...they will.

And if care is not taking, there are jobs he will want or progress he desires that he needs to still look Niaja side. If [/b]Naija is destroyed,[b] he wont have such. No matter what and whenever he fills any form, he will forever wrote Nigeria as his place of birth. The reference will be there for the rest of his life. That's it.

So, why cant we be positive in the midst of calamities? I dont pray Nigeria turns to Afghanistan.

So sir, take back your statement. Nigeria will never go beyond redemption. If you understand this negative statement, you will never utter it.

tensazangetsu20:

Bros trust me once I leave this country I wilk never come back and I will lay a curse on my generations. Anyone who decides to come back to Africa will die immediately he lands in African country. I shall lay the curse naked. Walai and I also tell my children the same thing. Anyday they return to where I have struggled to escape from they will die.

There's really no job in Nigeria I can come for. Maybe before I became a programmer you can say so. But all the money I make from programming it's white men. Infact my present skillset and how good I am now was my boss that took me under his mentorship and taught me so much. He's a white man. I have brought In two young Nigerians both juniors into the same company and he's also all teaching us. The same people were rejected by companies in Nigeria but na oyinbo man still come give them chance. Through his mentorship I have gone to work on projects that are used by billion dollar companies. Billion with a b o. As for political position, you can forget it. I will never ever contest to Be a politician in the zoo. I never even did my nysc after graduation so that disqualifies me and I don't give a Bleep.

There's really nothing Nigeria has given me I can say yes thank God I am a Nigerian. My university education wasn't even in Nigeria. As for working in Nigeria. I have only worked with a Nigerian company for two months and that was it the rest of my work has been with companies based abroad.

Secondary Citizen lol maybe for other professions not for programmers O. You don't know what is going on now. The tech industry is basically an employee's market now. This other countries I am talking about. Their salaries might not be USA level but they are ten times higher than Nigeria. I won't pay rent. Food will be given to me. This was stated explicitly at the interviews I have done so basically my salary will just be a pocket money. You can feel the desperation in their eyes even during interviews.

As for my family I really wish them well. The only thing I will do is build a house in Ghana for my mom and dad to stay in and bring my sister over immediately she graduates but as for Nigeria once I am done that's it. Even if I come to Africa to visit I will go to another African country and then the person who wants to see me will come there.

tensazangetsu20:

Oh yes that's why I tell people all the time to learn coding. Infact I have told gerrard59 that when God blesses me the only thing I will do for my homeland is opening a very huge IT centre with a ton of computers for my kinsmen to learn programming. Before I became a programmer I was a mechanic o. I was a mechanic and an auto parts trader with my engineering degree. No job anywhere. I went to volunteer at a mechanic workshop and learnt to fix cars. Left there and went back to ladipo. I was struggling day in day out yet no single Kobo. To even see a 100k in a month was like a huge amount after all expenses were done. It was hell. Even with all the skills I had. I knew digital marketing, how to fix cars yet nothing o. it was a very top guy in the Nigerian tech industry that told me to quit everything I was doing and learn coding. It wasn't easy but everyday I thank God I took that man's advise.

Infact the greatest thing that can lift Nigeria out of poverty now is programming but the greatest hindrance is a laptop and laptops aren't getting cheaper. the laptop I used to learn coding I got it for 75k the same laptop is being sold for at least 140k just in the span of a year.

tensazangetsu20:
Tech twitter has been on fire this past few days. First was the new startup law being passed that will see the government taking one percent of startup revenue especially fintechs and the second was the closure of accounts belonging to fintech companies like risevest, investbamboo, and trove. This is just 2 months after the crypto ban.

I predicted this will happen a few months back but some people as usual called me a pessimist. Now, this has happened. They came for gokada first citing stupid reasons yet okadas are still in Lagos driving anyhow. They blocked remittances and made it very difficult to receive money. If you work remotely in Nigeria for a foreign company, you can attest to how difficult it is to receive money. I know people who have lost their jobs just because the companies they work for could not figure out how they could pay them in Nigeria then add the epileptic electricity supply and the bad internet.

If you are a programmer, trust me you are amongst the elite. Walai every day I regret not discovering the tech industry earlier. There's a fucking huge demand for programmers outside the shores of Africa. Latin America, Europe, and Asia. A lot of people think japa and will be thinking USA and Canada. Getting a work visa to these countries as a Nigerian living in Nigeria is almost impossible. It has happened for some people but its not the norm and you should not place your hope on it. The USA has a cap on the amount of work visas that go out every year and those visas most times go to OPT candidates (people who have schooled in the US). Canada doesnt have a cap but they prefer permanent residents or citizens to processing a work visa from scratch for an outsider. Australia same thing.

There are other countries that exist that do not have a cap on work visas and are desperately looking for programmers. These countries can be used as a stepping stone to your final dream destination instead of wasting your life in Nigeria looking for a US or Canadian visa. Countries like portugal, spain, brazil, mexico, vietnam, japan, south korea. The list is endless. These are countries desperately looking for programmers and their work visas arent difficult to get. Their governments are even encouraging tech migration to prepare for the next industrial revolution. As a Nigerian you have a serious advantage getting there. You speak English. English is the unofficial defacto language of the IT industry. If you go on linkedin and search tech jobs in this countries, you would find out that one of the requirements for most of these jobs is professional english proficiency. Their citizens dont have it and a few who have it are headhunted to countries like the US and Canada leaving a huge gap for skilled third worlders like Nigerians to take advantage of. A japanese programmer who speaks english really well can get into the USA easily. Japan has a visa waiver program with the USA and is one of the few countries that shares a working holiday visa with the US. Brazil has one with germany. Uruguay has with sweden. These are countries you should target because their own people are leaving presenting a very huge gap. Once you can get into these countries, leaving to your dream destination isnt too difficult and even if you dont want to leave, these countries have a lot of opportunities for you to build your own tech business. Their governments are very progressive. Their people arent poor or getting poorer and are very open to using technology. Theres another way of getting to the US via L1 company transfer but how many american tech companies exist in Nigeria and whats the size of the engineering team? These countries have as much 2000 to 3000 size engineering teams. You can move there, switch jobs to an american company and request for an L1 company transfer. The possibilities are limitless.

I myself started testing this theory out and I have gotten ten interviews from companies in Ukraine, Poland, Belarus, Vietnam, and Chile. I am in the mid way of 3 and I really hope one goes through as I want to leave the zoo fast.

You might say stay in Nigeria and start a tech business. Well with what the government is doing to startups and the purchasing power of Nigerians reducing everyday, I dont know how that would be viable. NIgeria is so bad to the point that to eat food is a problem. Growing up, Nigeria was never at a level where food will be a problem. Festival periods and we would have food from all our neighbours even the poorest. Now thas not done and the worst is yet to come.

You can say stay in Nigeria and continue remote. Trust me remote work is sweet in your 20s but a sponsorship job is better as you would be provided insurance for, pension plans and all of that which remote work wont give you and remote jobs arent stable especially with small companies. You can lose them anytime and you need to start looking again. Its not bad in your 20s but will you be doing this at 40 and above. Will you be applying to remote jobs at 50 when your mates who migrated are CTOs for fortune 500 companies earning millions of dollars every year while you are looking for scraps in remote.

Make haste o.

lymelyte:
well said..food for thought

PeaceJoyLove:
I am leaveling you in peace to have your party here. From experience, I know less than 20% of those desperate will move out. Higher percentage of those who aren't desperate move out more. And then, 15% out of those desperate and who loved out end up not doing good, and frustrated.

Maybe I can pull out data from two nations and show you all, but I think it doesnt worth the effort.

Some felt I was blasting for nothing some of you, well...I know that you are mostly kids. You didnt even experience IBB era. What a pity? You all here have the opportunity to do jobs remotely, and you should at least be grateful, and encourage yourselves. But here you are just saying rubbish. Yet, you arent out of Nigeria yet. Even some who dont have a laptop too will say the same rubbish. You should be thankful to God and OBJ for at least bringing in mobile and GSM. if its this Buhari....hahahaha.... yet, you all are short sighted. When those who knew Buhari of 1983 to 85 were telling you that the man has nothing to offer, the exact behavior of not listening to godly advice was waht you pushed out. And then, you all want to jakpa. Did you not mostly vote for this man called Buhari?

I am here trying to extract the info and put it in good format so you can get focused, yet many of you still come and quote the rubbish that "jakpa" is the only way out instead of you to focus on doing it....at least get the procedure down...all you are doing is just shouting you must.

Well, the generation of IBB destroyed Nigeria. Anyone from 60 and above is guilty. The worst are 70 above. And those in 80s esp are the real guilty ones. Those people bunch of .....dont know what to call them. Those of them abroad are wasting. How they sleep peacefully at night is beyond me. Selfish people. Cowards. They ran away and left it all in the hands of the likes of IBB, Abacha and Buhari. Some of them as great doctors engineers, scientists, govt advisers etc but they are dying inside with regrets.

So many of their kids are now in 20s to 40s parading Nairaland and just shouting they are Nigerians by blood. I always feel for them. I know the numbers I have encouraged to at least visit. Guess what? What you guys here even scare them more. But it is not as bad as you people portray it. Yes it is bad cos of the level Nigeria should be. Nigeria, Brasil and Malaysia were three nations rated high in the 70s, and the whole world was looking forward to seeing Nigeria to be one of the most powerful nation like the US. Once upon a time our naira is stronger than the dollars. But here we are. Brasil and Malaysia arent doing bad. But Nigeria who should take up the opportunity of becoming a leader of a whole continent is messing up to the extend SOUTH africa who got independence just a few years back is doing way better than us. I know the problems of Nigeria.

You will be miserable like those old f.o.ols now abroad who cannot even attempt to come home but says with their mouth only they are Nigerians. I dont understand how they even have the mouth to tell their kids they are Nigerians. Shame on them. They messed up and even betray their kids. Those kids I just pity them. Still the love of Nigeria is in their hearts. They want to help. They want to know how to assist Nigeria, but reading the craps and how you all put them here is nauseating.

Since you all want to jakpa without planning well or giving back to your society, good for you. You are mostly under 30 and shouting. Life is so ahead of you. OP only mentioned building a tech training center after I bombarded him. Mo matter what you think having a platform of a nation you belong to is something. Go amd research few people who are without any nationality and see their pains. There are people like that. They have o nation to call theirs. But you still have one. And the only thing you c lin say are ad words. Get emotional, but do not curse your nation. The joke is on you. Exactly how those old f.ools behave in those days you are all acting. History repeating itself again amd again.

Goodluck to you all. I am out of here. Do whatever pleases you all.

PeaceJoyLove:

If Insit you down and tell you mt story...hmmm... Bro, people like you end up returning to Nigeria. Just try not to show your feelings about Nigeria. Truly, Nigeria head no correct. It is not like I enjoy it, I am just using faith too myself. And I am happy for you. I will keep encouraging you.

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