blueAgent:

You did not answer me, If law of Moses is still valid why I we not expected to do circumcision and offer lamb for sin?

blueAgent:

...why are we not required to scarifice lambs for sin?

as Lawyer Paul told you, THE PRIEST TO UNDERTAKE THE SACRIFICE TOO MUST BE CLEAN (SANCTIFIED/HOLY), so where is a dirty sinner gonna find a clean priest that is to help him carry out the sin sacrifice?

FOR THE PRIESTS TOO ARE DEFILED AND DIRTY AND UNHOLY!

This is where Christ is better than The Priests for He Can Not Be Unholy IN FULFILMENT OF THE LAW!

Dtruthspeaker:


See, now you have altered the question.

You asked only 1 question, as seen below



I answered, as the records show,
" as Lawyer Paul told you, THE PRIEST TO UNDERTAKE THE SACRIFICE TOO MUST BE CLEAN (SANCTIFIED/HOLY), so where is a dirty sinner gonna find a clean priest that is to help him carry out the sin sacrifice?

FOR THE PRIESTS TOO ARE DEFILED AND DIRTY AND UNHOLY!

This is where Christ is better than The Priests for He Can Not Be Unholy IN FULFILMENT OF THE LAW!"

Now that I have finished giving the answer, and you could not rebut.

You then Lied by saying that I did not answer your question. I then showed you your question for you to see that there is only ONE Question.

Now you are still maintaining your Lie that I did not answer whereas, I have truly answered,THEN YOU HAVE FRAUDULENTLY ADDED A SECOND QUESTION (why I we not expected to do circumcision)WHICH WAS NOT THERE IN THE BEGINNING.

Even in a simple thing as a dispute, you are not above Lying, Scheming and Cheating, how then shall you be when you are entrusted with little?

Yet, you would claim that you are a Christ Follower and not a Law Breaker and you expect that God should take you into His Kingdom.

After all these, it is apparent why you would seek to Dispose God's own Law, because, you already know that you shall never obey them, so you have made a way for thy own self, as is in your power.

You can continue in your own way, I bother you no more. (I hope!)

Dtruthspeaker:


See, now you have altered the question.

You asked only 1 question, as seen below



I answered, as the records show,
" as Lawyer Paul told you, THE PRIEST TO UNDERTAKE THE SACRIFICE TOO MUST BE CLEAN (SANCTIFIED/HOLY), so where is a dirty sinner gonna find a clean priest that is to help him carry out the sin sacrifice?

FOR THE PRIESTS TOO ARE DEFILED AND DIRTY AND UNHOLY!

This is where Christ is better than The Priests for He Can Not Be Unholy IN FULFILMENT OF THE LAW!"

Now that I have finished giving the answer, and you could not rebut.

You then Lied by saying that I did not answer your question. I then showed you your question for you to see that there is only ONE Question.

Now you are still maintaining your Lie that I did not answer whereas, I have truly answered,THEN YOU HAVE FRAUDULENTLY ADDED A SECOND QUESTION (why I we not expected to do circumcision)WHICH WAS NOT THERE IN THE BEGINNING.

Even in a simple thing as a dispute, you are not above Lying, Scheming and Cheating, how then shall you be when you are entrusted with little?

Yet, you would claim that you are a Christ Follower and not a Law Breaker and you expect that God should take you into His Kingdom.

After all these, it is apparent why you would seek to Dispose God's own Law, because, you already know that you shall never obey them, so you have made a way for thy own self, as is in your power.

You can continue in your own way, I bother you no more. (I hope!)

Goshen360:
If the 10 commandments is different from the law of Moses, how come you break one law is equal to break all?

Goshen360:
If the 10 commandments is different from the law of Moses, how come you break one law is equal to break all?

blueAgent:
Where is it written, that when you break one you break all?

blueAgent:
MaxInDHouse's,livingchrist.

I wrote this article to disprove your arguments that God has abolished his 10commandments together with the law of Moses and to show that both laws are separate.

You cannot claim you have not seen the evidence or facts.

BassReeves:


James 2:10-11
'10For the person who keeps all of the laws except one,
is as guilty as a person who has broken all of God’s laws.
11For the same God who said, “You must not commit adultery,”
also said, “You must not murder.”
So if you murder someone but do not commit adultery, you have still broken the law.

10Whoever breaks one commandment is guilty of breaking them all.
11 For the same one who said, “Do not commit adultery,”
also said, “Do not commit murder.”
Even if you do not commit adultery, you have become a lawbreaker if you commit murder.'

livingchrist:
you are funny, the law of moses refers to those law given to the israelities through moses.

2 Chronicles 34:14
And when they brought out the money that was brought into the house of the LORD, Hilkiah the priest found a book of the law of the LORD given by Moses.

John 1:17
For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Which included the ten commandment.

So, mr blueagent, 'the law' as used in the scriptures covers both the one moses wrote and the one God wrote at mount Sinai.

The ten commandment is called the ministration of death.

2 Corinthians 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

Look at what paul said,

Galatians 3:21
Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

According to paul, no law exist prior to the coming of Christ that could give life.
So, the ten commandment does not give life that is why Christ came to establish a new covenant.

BassReeves:


James 2:10-11
'10For the person who keeps all of the laws except one,
is as guilty as a person who has broken all of God’s laws.
11For the same God who said, “You must not commit adultery,”
also said, “You must not murder.”
So if you murder someone but do not commit adultery, you have still broken the law.

10Whoever breaks one commandment is guilty of breaking them all.
11 For the same one who said, “Do not commit adultery,”
also said, “Do not commit murder.”
Even if you do not commit adultery, you have become a lawbreaker if you commit murder.'

livingchrist:
you are funny, the law of moses refers to those law given to the israelities through moses.

2 Chronicles 34:14
And when they brought out the money that was brought into the house of the LORD, Hilkiah the priest found a book of the law of the LORD given by Moses.

John 1:17
For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Which included the ten commandment.

So, mr blueagent, 'the law' as used in the scriptures covers both the one moses wrote and the one God wrote at mount Sinai.

The ten commandment is called the ministration of death.

2 Corinthians 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

Look at what paul said,

Galatians 3:21
Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

According to paul, no law exist prior to the coming of Christ that could give life.
So, the ten commandment does not give life that is why Christ came to establish a new covenant.

livingchrist:
you are funny, the law of moses refers to those law given to the israelities through moses.

2 Chronicles 34:14
And when they brought out the money that was brought into the house of the LORD, Hilkiah the priest found a book of the law of the LORD given by Moses.

John 1:17
For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Which included the ten commandment.

So, mr blueagent, 'the law' as used in the scriptures covers both the one moses wrote and the one God wrote at mount Sinai.

The ten commandment is called the ministration of death.

2 Corinthians 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

Look at what paul said,

Galatians 3:21
Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

According to paul, no law exist prior to the coming of Christ that could give life.
So, the ten commandment does not give life that is why Christ came to establish a new covenant.

livingchrist:
you are funny, the law of moses refers to those law given to the israelities through moses.

2 Chronicles 34:14
And when they brought out the money that was brought into the house of the LORD, Hilkiah the priest found a book of the law of the LORD given by Moses.

John 1:17
For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Which included the ten commandment.

So, mr blueagent, 'the law' as used in the scriptures covers both the one moses wrote and the one God wrote at mount Sinai.

The ten commandment is called the ministration of death.

2 Corinthians 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

Look at what paul said,

Galatians 3:21
Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

According to paul, no law exist prior to the coming of Christ that could give life.
So, the ten commandment does not give life that is why Christ came to establish a new covenant.

blueAgent:

MaxInDHouse
,livingchrist.

I wrote this article to disprove your arguments that God has abolished his 10commandments together with the law of Moses and to show that both laws are separate.

You cannot claim you have not seen the evidence or facts.

MaxInDHouse:
First settle the differences between you and your fellow Churchgoers before calling me.

Remember i am Maximus one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, my own God totally differs from yours!
So when you're through with your fellow Churchgoers or brethren as you often refer to one another you can call me. My camp is no part of you people! John 15:19

May you have PEACE!

blueAgent:

So your own God is different from the Christian God?
No wonder people call JW a cult.

MaxInDHouse:

That's a welcome development! Matthew 10:25
So when you're through with your fellow Churchgoers or brethren, call me because my own God totally differ from yours!

blueAgent:

Do your church or sect use the Christian Bible or not?

MaxInDHouse:


It's like the coast is clear now as your fellow argumenators you call brethren have left the thread for more than three hours.

So if you want me to chat with you on this you have to make it snappy i don't have time for fruitless arguments.

Now what exactly do you need to know about the Mosaic laws?

blueAgent:

I asked you a question, since your god is different from the Christain god, do you guys JW still use the bible?

MaxInDHouse:
You're not consistent with your findings so you can continue arguing with your fellow Churchgoers!

When next you want to tag me along with your write-up please address me not as one of your brethren because you're not my brother in faith. Just call me out as a worshiper of the God of Jehovah's Witnesses.
When next you tag me along with your fellow Churchgoers i'll just ignore you.
I purposely came to discuss about the Mosaic laws but it's obvious you don't know what you want to ask me yet!

blueAgent:

What has the Mosaic laws has to do with my question?

Do JW believe in the mosiac law and yet do not believe in the Christain Bible?

haddeylium:
Curiously enough, this is arguably most debated topic on this section.
How about we engage in a little Bible study?

The short answer is NO! .
Yes, you don't want to stop there.

The basic reason why genuine Christains do not keep the Law of Moses is Bible verses such as Romans 10:4:

“Christ is the end of the Law”

Which results in Christians’ being “discharged from the Law.” (Roman 7:6-
Jehovah’s Witnesses interpret verses like these in the sense that Christians are not under the Law of Moses anymore.

Commonly most misinterpreted verse such as Matt 5:17
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

[center] The word translated "abolish" in Matthew 5:17 is the Greek word καταλῦσαι (katalusai), which means “to demolish”, also the same Jesus used when he talked about demolishing the temple.
Jesus didn't come to "demolish" or destroy the Law(Some translation use 'Destroy'), as if it were something bad, but to give it its fulfilment, to make it accomplish its purpose[/center]

[b]Because, what does the expression “to fulfill” (also in Matthew 5:17) mean? [/b]To illustrate, Let me quote from the legal entity of watchtower society

[center]"A builder fulfills a contract to complete a building, not by ripping up the contract, but by finishing the structure. However, once the work has been completed to the client’s satisfaction, the contract is fulfilled and the builder is no longer under obligation to it". In the same way, Genuine Christains believe that Jesus did not break, or rip up, the Law; rather, he fulfilled it by keeping it perfectly. Once fulfilled, that Law “contract” was no longer binding on God’s people. Why the change? Because Christians are under a new law, “the law of the Christ” (Galatians 6:2), which also comes from God.[/center]

Because the fact that we think the Law of Moses is no longer in force does not mean that we reject it or even despise it. That Law is good and righteous, it came from God himself and it fulfilled its purpose perfectly, and it is part of “all Scripture” that is beneficial for Christians. Its study is very beneficial for us, since it helps us know God better, and also, its moral principles are part of the perfect law of Christ. For instance, Christians do not stone adulterers to death, but we take note of Jehovah’s opinion about adultery and avoid it.

The change from the Israelite to the Christian system of worship could be illustrated this way: A nation may change its constitution. Once the new constitution is legally in place, people are no longer required to obey the former one. Even though some of the laws in the new constitution may be the same as those in the former constitution, others may be different. So a person would need to study the new constitution carefully to see what laws now apply. In like manner, Jehovah God provided over 600 laws, including 10 main ones, for the nation of Israel. These included laws about morals, sacrifices, health matters, etc. However, Jesus said that his anointed followers would constitute a new “nation.” (Matthew 21:43) From Jesus’ death and resurrection onward, this nation has had a new “constitution,” founded on two basic laws—love of God and love of neighbor. (Matthew 22:36-40) Although “the law of the Christ” includes instructions that are similar to those in the Law given to Israel, we should not be surprised that some laws are very different and that others are no longer required.(Sergio servedra)

True Christains however believe the Law of Moses states many basic principles that will always apply. Many of its principles are restated in the Christian Greek Scriptures and are part of the Law of the Christ.

MaxInDHouse:

The topic of your thread is:
"The 10Commandments And Laws Of Moses Are They The Same Law"
After arguing with your fellow Churchgoers for some times you purposely mentioned me in connection with your question.
So get it straight that if you never mentioned me here you and i have no business!


This is not the question you've been debating with others so next time before you call me THINK because as i've told you i'm not on the same page with you and your fellow Churchgoers!

blueAgent:

So what topic where we debating?
I mentioned U with regards to the topic of the thread and not becos of what others commented.
My interest is to show you that God's 10commandments are quite different from the laws of Moses and hence the 10commandments,all of them still stand.

MaxInDHouse:

You can't just expect me to join you people in some fruitless arguments that's of no practical benefits. 1Timothy 6:4; Titus 3:9
©What does the Bible really teach on the topic? 2Timothy 3:16-17
©Which group of people are practicing it according? Matthew 5:13-16
©How can people identify them? Matthew 7:16-18
These are meaningful subjects that should be discussed along with the topic not just some useless, worthless and hopeless arguments. 1Corinthians 14:33

First settle with your fellow Churchgoers before calling me because i'm not part of you people, i belong to another camp totally different from all of you. John 15:19
In my own camp we are orderly and well organized therefore we have agreed on the topic globally. John 17:20-23 compare to Romans 15:5-6; 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3
So when you're through with your brethren then let me know exactly where i should come in because i'll speak in behalf of all my entire family of faith globally not just arguing blindly.

Thanks, God bless you and may you have PEACE!

blueAgent:

You are giving excuses inorder not to face the truth.
Back to your question.
What is Mosaic law and is it in the Bible?

MaxInDHouse:


I guess you're through with your people 'cause since we started chatting they've all deserted the thread.
Now this is how my own answer to your question will go. I'll tell you how a global group of beleivers Interpreted it, how they're PRACTICALLY APPLYING it and the benefits of their Interpretation because Jesus said "by their FRUITS you will recognize them" {Matthew 7:16} which means different religious groups may come up with different Interpretations of Jesus' message but the group that got it correctly will surely yield positive results in their gathering! Matthew 5:13-16

Now back to your question:
What is Mosaic laws and is it in the Bible?

The Mosaic laws were the 613 laws God commaded Moses to present to the nation He (God) brought out of Egypt, God will be their ruler not man so whoever wants to live in that camp which will eventually become a mighty nation must be prepared to adhere strictly to all the requirements set in those laws.
Moses is a human like all other people, he is 80 years old as at the time God gave him those laws, so the people might be thinking that this old man doesn't want them to be free after bringing them out of Egypt, the restraint may seem to high for them that's why God penned down ten out of those laws on stone tablets for the people to believe that it wasn't Moses's fabrication but God's commad!
It is called Mosaic laws because Moses was the mediator between God and the Israelites back then!

MaxInDHouse:


I guess you're through with your people 'cause since we started chatting they've all deserted the thread.
Now this is how my own answer to your question will go. I'll tell you how a global group of beleivers Interpreted it, how they're PRACTICALLY APPLYING it and the benefits of their Interpretation because Jesus said "by their FRUITS you will recognize them" {Matthew 7:16} which means different religious groups may come up with different Interpretations of Jesus' message but the group that got it correctly will surely yield positive results in their gathering! Matthew 5:13-16

Now back to your question:
What is Mosaic laws and is it in the Bible?

The Mosaic laws were the 613 laws God commaded Moses to present to the nation He (God) brought out of Egypt, God will be their ruler not man so whoever wants to live in that camp which will eventually become a mighty nation must be prepared to adhere strictly to all the requirements set in those laws.
Moses is a human like all other people, he is 80 years old as at the time God gave him those laws, so the people might be thinking that this old man doesn't want them to be free after bringing them out of Egypt, the restraint may seem to high for them that's why God penned down ten out of those laws on stone tablets for the people to believe that it wasn't Moses's fabrication but God's commad!
It is called Mosaic laws because Moses was the mediator between God and the Israelites back then!

MaxInDHouse:

You can't just expect me to join you people in some fruitless arguments that's of no practical benefits. 1Timothy 6:4; Titus 3:9
©What does the Bible really teach on the topic? 2Timothy 3:16-17
©Which group of people are practicing it according? Matthew 5:13-16
©How can people identify them? Matthew 7:16-18
These are meaningful subjects that should be discussed along with the topic not just some useless, worthless and hopeless arguments. 1Corinthians 14:33

First settle with your fellow Churchgoers before calling me because i'm not part of you people, i belong to another camp totally different from all of you. John 15:19
In my own camp we are orderly and well organized therefore we have agreed on the topic globally. John 17:20-23 compare to Romans 15:5-6; 1Corinthians 1:10; Ephesians 4:3
So when you're through with your brethren then let me know exactly where i should come in because i'll speak in behalf of all my entire family of faith globally not just arguing blindly.

Thanks, God bless you and may you have PEACE!