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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 8:00pm On Sep 05, 2021
ChristoBam:


He had a whole great season just after Mourinho left but somehow Mourinho is to blame for ruining him?

Those were his development years. A player’s development stage is crucial.

What I’m saying in essence is the electrifying 19yr old that created Martial FC is no more. It’ll take a miracle to bring him back.

When people complain of Martial, they all subconsciously remember the one that played under Van Gaal, and keep hoping helplessly that he comes back.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 8:06pm On Sep 05, 2021
metodman:


I'll never ever forget what Adam did to Fred during that matcj. At a point I was so angry on his behalf because it seemed as if Adama was targeting him intentionally. Fred played as if he was drunk especially the way he was falling all over the place.

They actually targeted him intentionally. After the first wave of attack, they spotted him as the weak point and kept exploiting it.

Olé should have come up with a way to stop it but his in-game management needs some tutoring from Fergie.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by eph12(m): 8:14pm On Sep 05, 2021
ChristineC:
this is with respect to our default formation.
Ole has used 4-3-2-1, 4-4-2 diamond, 4-3-3, 3-5-2 (3-4-3/3-4-1-2) and even 4-5-1 (with Lukaku) during his time at the club.
he seem to have settled on a 4-2-3-1 which is now default.
while rumors (true or not) have it that his preferred is 4-3-3, it's also good he appreciates the fact that he doesn't have the personnel for it.
that doesn't mean other formations wouldn't incorporate more attacking/creative options than McFred and still be balanced.
there'd be no need for McFred in a 3-5-2 or 4-4-2 diamond for example.
Whatever the formation, the defense still needs protection because we lose the ball too easily. I don't see how more attacking players would automatically solve that problem
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ChristoBam: 8:22pm On Sep 05, 2021
GloryIsaac:


Those were his development years. A player’s development stage is crucial.

What I’m saying in essence is the electrifying 19yr old that created Martial FC is no more. It’ll take a miracle to bring him back.

When people complain of Martial, they all subconsciously remember the one that played under Van Gaal, and keep hoping helplessly that he comes back.

The electrifying Martial was not a striker. Ole shouldn't have made him one just because that's the role he wants.

Mourinho's only 'sin' was expecting Martial to track back which was expected of him.

Martial can't dribble, can't run, always looking to pass and make immediate runs. Whose fault is that? Cuz dribbling and running at defenders were his biggest attributes before Ole made him a striker.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by CapitalCee(m): 8:40pm On Sep 05, 2021
GloryIsaac:


They actually targeted him intentionally. After the first wave of attack, they spotted him as the weak point and kept exploiting it.

Olé should have come up with a way to stop it but his in-game management needs some tutoring from Fergie.

Ole should come up with what to do with an adult professional like Fred? Cant he have sense on his own?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by paafin(m): 9:25pm On Sep 05, 2021
Heard we are targeting Kessie from Ac Milan
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by benji93: 10:20pm On Sep 05, 2021
Come up with a way? Perhaps tell Pogba to help? cheesy. Many brothers complained: Play one of them, play one of them. He only has one formation Brownian midfield, yenyenyen. Well you now know that's not an option.
GloryIsaac:


They actually targeted him intentionally. After the first wave of attack, they spotted him as the weak point and kept exploiting it.

Olé should have come up with a way to stop it but his in-game management needs some tutoring from Fergie.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 10:35pm On Sep 05, 2021
CapitalCee:


Ole should come up with what to do with an adult professional like Fred? Cant he have sense on his own?

benji93:
Come up with a way? Perhaps tell Pogba to help? cheesy. Many brothers complained: Play one of them, play one of them. He only has one formation Brownian midfield, yenyenyen. Well you now know that's not an option.

Transfer window has closed. We have to make with what we have.

It’s not wise to see your midfield being overrun like that and not have an answer to it.

Wolves had a 2.25xG. In ideal circumstances, they should have won by at least 3 goals.

McTom should return, so we continue with McFred abeg grin
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 10:36pm On Sep 05, 2021
paafin:
Heard we are targeting Kessie from Ac Milan

After window has closed?

Comedy Central.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 10:39pm On Sep 05, 2021
ChristoBam:


The electrifying Martial was not a striker. Ole shouldn't have made him one just because that's the role he wants.

Mourinho's only 'sin' was expecting Martial to track back which was expected of him.

Martial can't dribble, can't run, always looking to pass and make immediate runs. Whose fault is that? Cuz dribbling and running at defenders were his biggest attributes before Ole made him a striker.

But his best season came under Olé.

In a bid to defend Mourinho, you’re totally missing the point.

Go back and read the original post I quoted.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by benji93: 11:00pm On Sep 05, 2021
Ole's indecision on matters like this is a problem. But i would be wicked to judge a man fighting for his life undergee. cheesy. Common CDM we no fit get, but when news of Ronaldo going to Man City(which i feel was probably a dummy), Man Utd craze go get am. I repeat again, he fit try Hannibal for cup games make we see how him fit handle that role, the transition , or just play VDB, let's see what he does. But well Ole for fear of failure, or perhaps the fear that when we start to lose, especially because of experimentation, we may go downhill from there. Perhaps an indication that his confidence is not yet up there. But i will give him this, for a manager trying to build his resume at such a big stage, in which case it was handed to him on a platter, not that he previously had an incredible resume to deserve it, caution is something he must constantly lean on. A very difficult position to be in. I wish he could just damn it , and play VDB. But of course you know our people, if we lose they won't care if he was trying to plug that hole, it can only mean one thing; He's clueless and incompetent. grin
GloryIsaac:




Transfer window has closed. We have to make with what we have.

It’s not wise to see your midfield being overrun like that and not have an answer to it.

Wolves had a 2.25xG. In ideal circumstances, they should have won by at least 3 goals.

McTom should return, so we continue with McFred abeg grin

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ChristoBam: 11:07pm On Sep 05, 2021
GloryIsaac:


But his best season came under Olé.

In a bid to defend Mourinho, you’re totally missing the point.

Go back and read the original post I quoted.
You claim Mouriho 'ruined his game'. But he had his best season just after Mourinho. So what point are you making?

I know you understand perfectly what I'm saying.

Ole converted him to a striker. And he's basically useless as one. So who's fault is that. Martial has totally changed his game. He looks like he's even trying to bulk up a bit. All of these to become a striker. No be Mourinho convert am to 9 na.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ChristineC: 11:20pm On Sep 05, 2021
eph12:

Whatever the formation, the defense still needs protection because we lose the ball too easily. I don't see how more attacking players would automatically solve that problem

creative players don't necessarily mean more forward players.
these midfields here will be more creative than anything a McFred (4-2-3-1) partnership can offer, and at the same time not being exposed.

4-4-2 diamond midfield
- - - - - - - - Matic - - - - - - - -
McT/VDB - - - - - - - - Pogba
- - - - - - - - Bruno - - - - - - - -

3-5-2 midfield (3-4-1-2/3-4-3 attacking)
Dalot - McT - Pogba - Shaw/Telles
- - - - - - - - Fernandes - - - - - - - -
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 11:24pm On Sep 05, 2021
ChristoBam:

You claim Mouriho 'ruined his game'. But he had his best season just after Mourinho. So what point are you making?

I know you understand perfectly what I'm saying.

Ole converted him to a striker. And he's basically useless as one. So who's fault is that. Martial has totally changed his game. He looks like he's even trying to bulk up a bit. All of these to become a striker. No be Mourinho convert am to 9 na.

The attributes that endeared him to fans diminished under Mou because of the challenges he faced at that point in time.

When fans complain about him, they use those attributes to judge. No one’s willing to accept that they’re no more. We’re all still hoping.

Olé simply tried to patch up the damage done. The fact that Martial signed a new contract because he believed he would outlast Mourinho speaks volumes.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ChristineC: 11:35pm On Sep 05, 2021
adisaaowala:


Ronaldo and Cavani aren't exactly youngsters any longer and may have to be managed properly for optimal form and fitness in the intense EPL.

Many games abound - FA cup, CL etc

I still think Martial has a role to play in the team - i havent written him off completely
I think Ronaldo, Cavani, Sancho, Rashford, Greenwood and probably Lingard are ahead of Martial right now for 2/3 positions. Pogba is a valid option on that left side remember; hell even James seemed to be ahead of him too undecided
the threats of Amad and Elanga in particular (he'd surely get that academy product support) are not to be sneered at either.
I hope Martial does it but his demeanor doesn't fill me with any confidence.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 11:35pm On Sep 05, 2021
benji93:
Ole's indecision on matters like this is a problem. But i would be wicked to judge a man fighting for his life undergee. cheesy.

Common CDM we no fit get, but when news of Ronaldo going to Man City(which i feel was probably a dummy), Man Utd craze go get am.

I repeat again, he fit try Hannibal for cup games make we see how him fit handle that role, the transition , or just play VDB, let's see what he does. But well Ole for fear of failure, or perhaps the fear that when we start to lose, especially because of experimentation, we may go downhill from there.

Perhaps an indication that his confidence is not yet up there. But i will give him this, for a manager trying to build his resume at such a big stage, in which case it was handed to him on a platter, not that he previously had an incredible resume to deserve it, caution is something he must constantly lean on. A very difficult position to be in.

I wish he could just damn it , and play VDB. But of course you know our people, if we lose they won't care if he was trying to plug that hole, it can only mean one thing; He's clueless and incompetent. grin

Honestly, there’s no one in that United team that’s giving off good DM vibes, except Matic who is a natural.

After watching what Fred went through against Wolves, confidence in VDB or Lindelof as a DM nosedived.

Reason is, Fred is very active on the pitch, an engine. So if he had to undergo such torture, imagine what will happen to VDB or Lindelof who are way more reserved players grin

Maybe VDB can be tested in the cup games sha.. way I see it, McTom might be the one to lock down that spot this season.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by ChristoBam: 11:36pm On Sep 05, 2021
GloryIsaac:


The attributes that endeared him to fans diminished under Mou because of the challenges he faced at that point in time.

When fans complain about him, they use those attributes to judge. No one’s willing to accept that they’re no more. We’re all still hoping.

Olé simply tried to patch up the damage done. The fact that Martial signed a new contract because he believed he would outlast Mourinho speaks volumes.

Nothing diminished under Mourinho. He only became older and all the buzz about a 19 year old future star from Monaco died down.

Ole tried to patch what up? Ole made him the fvcking striker. Those attributes died automatically.

Btwn your last paragraph funny or maybe I didn't understand it.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 11:44pm On Sep 05, 2021
ChristoBam:


Nothing diminished under Mourinho. He only became older and all the buzz about a 19 year old future star from Monaco died down.

Ole tried to patch what up? Ole made him the fvcking striker. Those attributes died automatically.

Btwn your last paragraph funny or maybe I didn't understand it.

Alright Man. You have successfully defended Mou.

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by benji93: 11:45pm On Sep 05, 2021
Yeah McTom should be in the mix, i am probably just not used to talking about them separately. cheesy grin. He better take this chance and morph himself into someone indispensable. But well he completes the binary so saying he's indispensable right now is certainly not an exaggeration, at least until further notice.
GloryIsaac:


Honestly, there’s no one in that United team that’s giving off good DM vibes, except Matic who is a natural.

After watching what Fred went through against Wolves, confidence in VDB or Lindelof as a DM nosedived.

Reason is, Fred is very active on the pitch, an engine. So if he had to undergo such torture, imagine what will happen to VDB or Lindelof who are way more reserved players grin

Maybe VDB can be tested in the cup games sha.. way I see it, McTom might be the one to lock down that spot this season.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 11:57pm On Sep 05, 2021
benji93:
Yeah McTom should be in the mix, i am probably just not used to talking about them separately. cheesy grin. He better take this chance and morph himself into someone indispensable. But well he completes the binary so saying he's indispensable right now is certainly not an exaggeration, at least until further notice.

True. Considering the level of talent the team has in attack, he just has to take up the mantle, especially when facing smaller teams.

I reckon that the league can be won if our record against those smaller teams is inch perfect.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 12:37am On Sep 06, 2021
GloryIsaac:


Alright Man. You have successfully defended Mou.
If Martial had his best season after Mou, it's only logical to posit that Mou didn't destroy him...

Martial is his own problem, he looks disinterested and only seems to play well when the rest of the team plays well, he doesn't try to make things happen even though Ole has given him all the support he needs...

Handing him a paycheck of 250k weekly didn't do him any favors, that's the wages of elite forwards in the league but Martial who doesn't contribute just as much is earning so much. His drive to improve his game is not there after all he is earning the wages that should have seen him put his head down to work...

Mou has his faults though...

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by eph12(m): 1:07am On Sep 06, 2021
ChristineC:


creative players don't necessarily mean more forward players.
these midfields here will be more creative than anything a McFred (4-2-3-1) partnership can offer, and at the same time not being exposed.

4-4-2 diamond midfield
- - - - - - - - Matic - - - - - - - -
McT/VDB - - - - - - - - Pogba
- - - - - - - - Bruno - - - - - - - -

3-5-2 midfield (3-4-1-2/3-4-3 attacking)
Dalot - McT - Pogba - Shaw/Telles
- - - - - - - - Fernandes - - - - - - - -
You're making this about McFred and that's the problem. I'm not fixed on those two players, I'm looking at the roles on the pitch and how important they have been in the matches we have won under Ole. At the end of the day, Matic & McT/VDB will give you same thing. But if you think because it's Matic, then Tom or VDB can go camp in the opposition box, you're in for a huge shock
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 7:52am On Sep 06, 2021
patrickmuf:
If Martial had his best season after Mou, it's only logical to posit that Mou didn't destroy him...

Martial is his own problem, he looks disinterested and only seems to play well when the rest of the team plays well, he doesn't try to make things happen even though Ole has given him all the support he needs...

Handing him a paycheck of 250k weekly didn't do him any favors, that's the wages of elite forwards in the league but Martial who doesn't contribute just as much is earning so much. His drive to improve his game is not there after all he is earning the wages that should have seen him put his head down to work...

Mou has his faults though...

I also made reference to his wages in my original post.

Regardless, this season is his final chance. Only potential issue is finding a club ready to pay such huge wages.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by olabode89(m): 8:26am On Sep 06, 2021
GloryIsaac:


I also made reference to his wages in my original post.

Regardless, this season is his final chance. Only potential issue is finding a club ready to pay such huge wages.

People need to understand that Martial's 250k wage includes a shit load of performance related bonuses, same applies to Pogba and Rashy. Pogba is reported to be on 290K, according to football leaks his basic wage is but 160K or so. Also clubs that would mostlikely be looking at Martial should be able ot his wages and it's not uncommon for players to take a wage cut.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 8:51am On Sep 06, 2021
GloryIsaac:


I also made reference to his wages in my original post.

Regardless, this season is his final chance. Only potential issue is finding a club ready to pay such huge wages.
Wages, they lies the problem. I think West Ham would have jumped on the chance to sign Lingard if he was on a free however, paying over 25m and paying him his current weekly wage put them off...

We find it difficult to sell players who are surplus to requirement because very few clubs can afford to pay our players the wages they get here on a weekly...

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 8:55am On Sep 06, 2021
olabode89:


People need to understand that Martial's 250k wage includes a shit load of performance related bonuses, same applies to Pogba and Rashy. Pogba is reported to be on 290K, according to football leaks his basic wage is but 160K or so. Also clubs that would mostlikely be looking at Martial should be able ot his wages and it's not uncommon for players to take a wage cut.
You are not sure of this information. We are talking about Martial but you brought in Pogba, how exactly does that point to what you want to have us believe?
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 9:27am On Sep 06, 2021
olabode89:


People need to understand that Martial's 250k wage includes a shit load of performance related bonuses, same applies to Pogba and Rashy. Pogba is reported to be on 290K, according to football leaks his basic wage is but 160K or so. Also clubs that would mostlikely be looking at Martial should be able ot his wages and it's not uncommon for players to take a wage cut.

Not seen where it was mentioned that it’s a combination of bonuses though. Every outlet put it as basic pay.

Regardless, a player of his age will hardly be willing to take any cut, it’s quite early in his career. Except he literally gets pushed out, and considering that Jones is still here, I doubt that’ll happen.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 9:29am On Sep 06, 2021
patrickmuf:
Wages, they lies the problem. I think West Ham would have jumped on the chance to sign Lingard if he was on a free however, paying over 25m and paying him his current weekly wage put them off...

We find it difficult to sell players who are surplus to requirement because very few clubs can afford to pay our players the wages they get here on a weekly...

I hope the boy justifies that wage this season, especially with the level of quality he’s surrounded by.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by olabode89(m): 9:34am On Sep 06, 2021
patrickmuf:
You are not sure of this information. We are talking about Martial but you brought in Pogba, how exactly does that point to what you want to have us believe?

I brought up Pogba to describe how the wages of our players are reported. Journalists usually get the details from agents and such figures are usually the max amount that includes performance related bonuses. There are lots of articles that mention this.

When I am less busy I will post links of articles that provide info about player wages.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by olabode89(m): 9:40am On Sep 06, 2021
patrickmuf:
Wages, they lies the problem. I think West Ham would have jumped on the chance to sign Lingard if he was on a free however, paying over 25m and paying him his current weekly wage put them off...

We find it difficult to sell players who are surplus to requirement because very few clubs can afford to pay our players the wages they get here on a weekly...

This is not true, there are reports out there that stated that Lingard didn't want to move to Westham. Moyes also gave some clues pertaining this in a particular interview.

It's just a cultural thing at United, we do not like to force players out if they don't want to leave. It's not always about wages. We could make thw club uncomfortable for players by using the press (Barca style), relegating them to U-21 for training or by taking their first team locker (Niasse at Everton).

Selling players is not as difficult as most people think, all you have to do is get agents that will do the legwork for a fee. Since the time of Fergie bar a few cases, the club do not like moving on player on a bad note.
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Lana1(m): 10:09am On Sep 06, 2021
grin grin

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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by patrickmuf(m): 10:10am On Sep 06, 2021
olabode89:


This is not true, there are reports out there that stated that Lingard didn't want to move to Westham. Moyes also gave some clues pertaining this in a particular interview.

It's just a cultural thing at United, we do not like to force players out if they don't want to leave. It's not always about wages. We could make thw club uncomfortable for players by using the press (Barca style), relegating them to U-21 for training or by taking their first team locker (Niasse at Everton).

Selling players is not as difficult as most people think, all you have to do is get agents that will do the legwork for a fee. Since the time of Fergie bar a few cases, the club do not like moving on player on a bad note.
So, the club just rather pays players for doing nothing?

You think Real Madrid wouldn't have gotten rid of Bale since? The wages bro...No club wants to pay a fee and still have to do those wages that's why a loan option with the parent club paying half of the wages always suffices.

Players are blinded by contract, with the money they'd make signing on a bosman, most players will rather sit on the bench and run down their huge contracts and leave at the end of it for free to join another club and collect another mouth watering sign on fee...If Lingard was released, West Ham will sign him the same day and easily pay his wages.

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