Emusan:


Your lying post is there and it's already exposed your lying mouth.

This is so ridiculous....

So Jehovah isn't talking to HIS SON in that verse any more

If not because you're a dubious person, let "US" make man in "OUR" image should tell you how two persons can be viewed as ONE.

Jesus is THE VERY IMAGE man was created in, how many times will I knocked that into your empty skull?

Let US make man in OUR image.

The reason why I do say you're ignorant and lack scriptural understanding is what you just posted.

Focus on that @color

If it's Divine nature, why must He gain ACCESS TO THE ANCIENT OF DAYS? Isn't Jesus the ONLY ONE WITH THE FATHER?

The literal translation is "...and unto the Ancient of Days he hath come, and before Him THEY have brought him near.

Reason why my translations put it this way:
CEV: "...and he was presented to the Eternal God."
DRA: "...and they presented him before him."
ERV: "...He came to the Ancient of Days, and he was brought before him."
KJV: "...and they brought him near before him."

I can go on and on.

Just as you said below but because of your lack of scriptural understanding and lying mouth, you couldn't read that in the text.

Your lying mouth will be shut down forever now!

So who are the "THEY" that brought Jesus to Jehovah?

When I say you watchtower false doctrines have beclouded your reasoning faculty you'll think is a joke.

Barristter07:
Fetch it and bring it here. You fraudster, show me where I said command from heaven?

Image OF the invisible God - Col 1:15

" OF " means belonging to

Jesus exist in someone else image . He is called son for a reason. And nobody is his own Son. Cos they never existed in his image

Romans 8:29,30 again

" because those whom he gave his first recognition he also foreordained to be patterned after the image of his Son, so that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. 30 Moreover, those whom he foreordained are the ones he also called; and those whom he called are the ones he also declared to be righteous. Finally those whom he declared righteous are the ones he also glorified. "

All humans are called and declared righteous since they all exist in Jesus image ?

You have serious thinking to do .

Someone " LIKE " a son of man

It didn't say a son of man. It says " Like" . Ezekiel saw something similar in Ezekiel 1:26 , only an idiot would say that means God is human.

Not human. The person is Divine. It's even impossible for an human to see God himself and remain alive. The point is clear , even in his Divine nature , Jesus doesn't have rulership or authority over any man until he came to earth and was given authority.

Barristter07:


Any exception destroy your inner qualities argument. So validly the verse is all about outward Appearance

" rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. "

It tell you why he was called form of servant. Human likeness. Human form/Appearance

Emusan:


Lying liar, you can do that.

Your lying mouth is always exposed.

Let "US" create man in "OUR" image.

Was Jesus among that US & OUR? lying liar JWs like his father the devil

This is from the translation you quoted

"and THEY brought him up CLOSE before that One..."

Here are my questions again!

So who are the "THEY" that brought Jesus CLOSE to Jehovah?


Isn't Jesus the ONLY ONE WITH THE FATHER?

Why must Jesus be brought to Jehovah when is the very One who close to Jehovah most?

Wahala for the brainwashed JWs.

livingchrist:
what is this one saying?

You lack comprehension!
I going to paste the image of the greek interlinear for all to see.

Phil 2v7 says
Christ took upon himself the nature of a servant haven be made in the form of a human.

It does not mean human nature is the same as servant form but rather Christ assume the form after he was made a man meaning he was not a servant before unlike Angels who are already servants.
So, barrister there is no way you are going to twist this.
It is clear Jesus is Almighty God since he was never a servant until he became man.

Barristter07:


Exception of sin by you means he doesn't have the inner qualities rather only their Form/Appearance

That applies to Form of God. Appearance in which he existed , not inner qualities, no son of God is like Jehovah.

are so misdirected

The text is clear enough, Angels were never said to have the FORM of servant!

Form of servant = Human Nature.

No angel is given such tag .

Emusan:

#1
At least the evidence is that Trinity predated Constantine which your lying organization always propagated.
D

Emusan:

#2
And if this people who lived close to the time of Jesus can say the early Christians worshipped Jesus along side of Father, is it your lying organization who came thousand years after the scene we should believe?

Mr JaNosense the lying liar JWs like his father the devil.

Emusan:

Emusan LIENUS is a Polytheist worshipping "THEY", 3 pagan deities.

Despite the fact that you quoted Mounce Greek where it's written boldly "CRUCIFY HIM" you can still be calling it as your witness

When you know the word CRUCIFY was derived from CRUX

Secular history indeed!

Emusan:

can you provide the secular history that says Roman Empire killed anyone ON A STAKE?

Emusan read BBC News/ Washington Post screenshot proven the instrument of Jesus death was NEVER known as cross

Emusan:

Reason why the lying liar couldn't answer my questions.

Here are they again:
1. Who killed Jesus? Jews or Roman?

Emusan:

2. Has Roman ever killed anyone on pole or stake? Provide the evidence.

Emusan:

Even the Deu 21:22 you always run to doesn't favour you, I'll expose your ignorance on this if you try to say nonsense on this.

Lastly, even the Jews never used crucifixion as capital punishment. The Jews only have four capital punishments: stoning, burning, decapitation, and strangulation.

So how can Jesus be killed on a pole when neither the Jews and Romans used pole to kill anyone

Enjoy your delusion and lies

Emusan LIENUS is confused & wedded to FALSEHOOD.
Joshua 10:26 = Deuteronomy 21:21-23
Joshua impaled the king of Ai on a Pole.
Joshua also impaled 5 kings on a Pole.
(Screenshot evidences)
Emusan LIENUS shame on you !!

Emusan:


[s]Lying liar, you can do that.

Your lying mouth is always exposed.
[/s]

Let [b]"US" create man in "OUR" image.

Was Jesus among that US & OUR? [s]lying liar JWs like his father the devil
[/s]

Emusan:


This is from the translation you quoted
"and THEY brought him up CLOSE before that One..."[/b]

Here are my questions again!

So who are the "THEY" that brought Jesus CLOSE to Jehovah?Isn't Jesus the ONLY ONE WITH THE FATHER?

Emusan:


Why must Jesus be brought to Jehovah when is the very One who close to Jehovah most?

Wahala for the brainwashed JWs.

Wahala for Trinity GIBBERISH.
Questions for Emusan:
#1
Since it's only your 3 co equal Gods together.
Why is your oly ghost not close to JEHOVAH?

#2
Why must Jesus be brought to JEHOVAH when your Jesus is co equal to JEHOVAH?

#3
Job 2:1, Job 1:6,Job 38:7 is the only true God Jehovah living alone in heaven with his 2 co equal Gods?

livingchrist:
1 col 2:9 said Jesus has the full theotes, which is God's divine nature [what makes God God]

Janosky:

Colossians 1:19, it pleases the Father to grant his son divine/ godlike nature.
John 17:7 his Father gave it to his son.
Humans will partake of divine/godlike nature in heaven too.
Can't you see your logic faulty?.

DappaD:


Just mention 2Peter 1:4 and watch him crawl into a cave.

killALIEN:

I think they mean human will become angels in heaven. And thats Godlike of course.
Remember God said he created man in his likeness.

Janosky:

Colossians 1:19, it pleases the Father to grant his son divine/ godlike nature.
John 17:7 his Father gave it to his son.
Humans will partake of divine/godlike nature in heaven too.
Can't you see your logic faulty?.

Emusan:

Wahala for the this 8 men worshipper
The craftsman man is ETERNAL WISDOM of Yahweh
The skilled craftsman is eternal Wisdom of Yahweh
The skilled craftsman was brought forth by YAHWEH for the purpose of creation.
You forgot you always leave your brain in your hall.
Then the HE is the one who carried out the creations as those verses stated, not that another being.


Now that you agreed that the wisdom is another being different from Jehovah, then that Being must be God because according to the same Proverbs 8:14-16 "Counsel and sound judgment are mine; I have insight, I have power. 15 By me kings reign and rulers issue decrees that are just; 16 by me princes govern, and nobles—all who rule on earth.

You'll never receive sense JaNosense.

You've proven here that YAHWEH didn't use another creature to help Him rather YAHWEH ONLY created ALL THINGS BY HIMSELF as Proverbs 8:26-27 & Isaiah 44:24 clearly stated.

Severe pain for the lying liar JWs like his father the Devil the great JaNosense himself.

KNOWMORE56:


"...You've proven here that YAHWEH didn't use another creature to help Him rather YAHWEH ONLY created ALL THINGS BY HIMSELF..."

I doubt if he is aware of it...

Hebrews 1:2 "God MADE the universe
Through His son."


I designed a motor car and built the components and I employed you,my son, to assemble it.

4 questions for KNOWMORE56:
who made the motor car?
who owns the motor car?

Hebrews 1:2
God made what?
Through whom?

KNOWMORE56 knows GIBBERISH

Janosky:

Shuuooo !!!!!!
KNOWMORE56 why do you enjoy making your FALSE claims ?
In screenshot,Where did I type that claim you put up against my moniker?
Bros, dey fear God ooooo !!
KNOWMORE56 vain attempt to divert attention away from Proverbs 8:22-30 exposure of his FALSE accusation.
He doesn't want to hear that Jesus the "wisdom" was the Craftsman working at his Father's side "[b]Fashioning with Him" to create the earth @ Proverbs 8:22-30, 1 Cor 1:24.[/b]

Janosky:
...."HE" references God the Father & CREATOR OF the person personified as "Wisdom."
Proverbs 8:22 &1 Corinthians 1:24, who is "Wisdom"? ....

MaxInDHouse:


Brother, watch out for that moniker (Emusan) he's empty spiritually speaking, all he's trying to do is get you annoyed so as to engage you in hurtful words. Such a person only need that as proof that JWs aren't angels (they also do say hurtful things to people)
So let him continue ranting, just give him the response (when necessary) but if not then allow him to continue talking to himself!
I stopped responding to him and guess what? He felt so bad that he kept coming after me but just as i decided to chat with him again as a neighbour he quickly switch over to his real motive: insults!
So i cut him off immediately!

KNOWMORE56:

Since He is the only Being created by the Father, and the speaker in Proverbs 8 says:

Proverbs 8:26 "KJV: While as yet he had not made the earth [b], nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
27
KJV: When [b] he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
28
KJV: When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
29
KJV: When he gave to the sea his decree, [b/] that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:

Who is this He, is it Jesus speaking of the Father or another being speaking of Jesus, "the creator of all other things"?



What this your answer means is:

While as yet He (the Father) had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
27
KJV: When He (the Father) prepared the heavens, I (Jesus) was there:

When He (the Father) prepared the heavens, I (Jesus) was there:

[b]according to Janosky the Father was working and Jesus was watching!

Do you understand?

Does KNOWMORE56 understand Proverbs 8:30 ( in Screenshots)?
Shebi Proverbs 8:22,30 is missing in your Bible?

Bros, you have proven you're wedded to FALSEHOOD & Delusion.
Cherry picker, your own Bible ends at Verse 27

achorladey:


Brother, watch out for that moniker (Emusan) he's empty spiritually speaking, all he's trying to do is get you annoyed so as to engage you in hurtful words. Such a person only need that as proof that JWs aren't angels (they also do say hurtful things to people)..........MaxInDHouse

1. Members of your religious organization and you are not angels.

2. They engage in hurtful words

3. They do hurtful things to other people even their fellow members and people outside of their religious organization.

4. The better performing group who have love joy peace amongst them goes under the bus in one swoop.

He felt so bad that he kept coming after me but just as i decided to chat with him again as a neighbour he quickly switch over to his real motive: insults... MaxInDHouse


5. Kept coming back after I decided to chat with him like a neighbour. .

Why do you disobey Jehovah when he says you should serve even Jesus?.... Emusan

The post above was not meant for you but what did you do. Look below.....

When you accuse anyone wrongly on my thread i'll correct your wrong impression!..... MaxInDHouse

The reason he had to remind you again....

The hypocrite couldn't wait for his apology and evidence of being Ponzi scheme promoter today.... Emusan

Smile....

Wasn't on this same thread you're avoiding my posts in a pretence of looking for apology and evidence Mr Ponzi scheme promoter?.... Emusan

The funny aspect of the whole thing is that you will see the same MaxInDHouse coming back again to say let's discuss like CIVILIZED people or neighbours no insult or labels.

STEPS OF HOW YOU(MAX) DISCUSS HERE ON NAIRALAND

1. Start discussions..............2. Go to insult.........3. Accuse others of insult..........4. Start repeating we are the only better performing group............5. Continue to repeat they are ashamed of their church........... 6. Stop chatting or discussion..........7. Comeback and say let's talk or discuss without insult........... 1. start discussion again and repeat the process continuously in the same order

Janosky:

[b]Hebrews 1:2 "God MADE the universe
Through His son."
[i]I designed a motor car and built the components and I employed you,my son, to assemble it.

4 questions for KNOWMORE56:
who made the motor car?

who owns the motor car?

Hebrews 1:2
God made what?

Through whom?

KNOWMORE56:

Components is in plural form. Which means it's not only one thing that was designed... the GB say only Jesus was created by the Father, ALL OTHER THINGS were then created by Jesus...The person that the car manual points at...The person that the receipt points at...
God (Jesus) made all things..
*. John 1:1 "KJV:In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2KJV:The same was in the beginning with God.
3KJV: All things were made by him ; and without him was not any thing made that was made."Through God...
*. Colossians 1:16 "KJV: For by him were all things created , that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, AND FOR HIM : "
*. Romans 11:36 "KJV: For OF HIM, and THROUGH HIM , and TO HIM, are all things : to whom be glory for ever. Amen"
my questions
Aeroplane was invented BY Wright brothers
1. who invented the aeroplane using Wright brothers as channel?
You guys have always stress BY/THROUGH...
2. if you employee someone to do a job for you, does that person take possession of the things he made? "...u]THROUGH HIM and TO HIM, "
"...all things were created by him, AND FOR HIM : "

Bishopkingsley:



I thought I was the only one who noticed this type of behavior

What baffles me is the way all the JW refuse to accept that Jesus is their Savior

Even though they can see it in the Bible
It shocks me

They interpret scripture in a wrong way too

MaxInDHouse:
I believe the OP has had enough of us in this thread i've got no business with any Apostate!

achorladey:


It is the concept and image placed before them. The image placed before the is ORGANIZATION. What was used to make it appealing was putting JEHOVAH'S beside the word ORGANIZATION.

That's the trick, before anyone of them can start to get a picture of what it is, he needs to detach the Jehovah from the organization. The organization of men is GOD is the image placed before them. That someone read one of their publications and state categorically that ORGANIZATION is GOD tells you the summary.

Jehovah is their FATHER, ORGANIZATION of MEN is their MOTHER. Proverbs says do not despise the instructions of thy mother i.e the instructions of the men leading the organization which equates GOD as well.

The equation becomes simple Since the father(JEHOVAH) is GOD, the mother(ORGANIZATION) too is also GOD.

The reason they easily tell you, to get saved you have to join or become a member of their religious ORGANIZATION (WTBTS) because ORGANIZATION is GOD. It becomes easy because Jesus too is seen as a member of that organization because it is the organization that gives birth to JESUS which makes it easy to discard Jesus into a lesser role and in fact place him under the organization.

The reason you see anyone who leaves the ORGANIZATION no matter how God the motive of such one is the person is called an APOSTATE, a person leading others to sin. A person that has left JEHOVAH.

In their own of reality Jehovah is a property of the organization housed within the jurisdiction of the organization. Anything outside of the organization is BAD and not acceptable by Jehovah anything within the organization is GOOD and acceptable. Who decides what is good or bad is the organization not Jehovah.

Reality for others outside of the organization says otherwise.

achorladey:


Is the Op an apostate?

Janosky:


Colossians 1:19, it pleases the Father to grant his son divine/ godlike nature.
John 17:7 his Father gave it to his son.
Humans will partake of divine/godlike nature in heaven too.
Can't you see your logic faulty?.

Barristter07:


Exception of sin by you means he doesn't have the inner qualities rather only their Form/Appearance

That applies to Form of God. Appearance in which he existed , not inner qualities, no son of God is like Jehovah.

you are so misdirected

The text is clear enough, Angels were never said to have the FORM of servant!

Form of servant = Human Nature. The looks of men.

No angel is given such tag .

Barristter07:


Verse 10 " and in him you are made full"

Jesus disciples mentioned here also have the same Fullness.

Tell me : they are equal to God ?

livingchrist:
You are a drawning man holding on straw. @ bolded you are not normal. Your Christ hating has lead to insanity.

Barristter07:


He was MADE like his brother's in EVERY WAY. Read and learn

you accept he has their inner evil qualities ?

called form of servant because humans are made lower than angels. For that position of servant to be valid. Are angels bigger than Jesus ?


" rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. "

The verse explains it well enough, Form of servant means human Appearance or human likeness. Not that he was actually a servant, neither was he really God. But existed in his form/Appearance

Barristter07:


The inner qualities of Jesus brothers is evil. Nothing good lives in them, does Jesus outward appearance embodies this inner qualities ?



This is idiotic

He wasn't a servant in the true sense. Use your brain, is a servant called Lord ?

That would mean he wasn't God in the true sense as well.