Barristter07:

Where is your thinking faculty ?
" But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll and read it. " Revelation 5:3
The Father hold the scrolls , wrote what's inside and sealed it.( Rev 5:1)
The text itself excluded him as he wasn't among those expected to open it.

Emusan:

Lying liar!
The issue is to WHOM He was talking to because whoever are the US & OUR even in OUR LIKENESS all plural means they are the same.

Oponu....
Adam was called son of God because God is that US & OUR even in OUR LIKENESS in Genesis 1.


Once you exist in the image of God then you exist in the image of Jesus because Jehovah was talking to His Son in Genesis 1 asap US & OUR, even in OUR likeness.

You can keep even go against your organization just because you're confused and deluded.

So when the Bible says Jesus was made LIKE his brothers it means He wasn't Human on earth

You'll see how the lying liar will change mouth now.

Besides, Daniel 7:13 is about the Earthly mission of Jesus Christ, I haven't even brought the other part of that verse yet to silent your silly mouth.

It says, "...I saw what looked like a son of man coming with the clouds of heaven..."

So there was clouds in heaven

Who are those that BROUGHT Jesus to Jehovah?
Why is Jesus who is the FIRST CREATED, who lives with Jehovah in eternity, who knows jehovah than anyone will be brought to the same Jehovah they both have GLORY TOGETHER BEFORE THE WORLD BEGAN?

Everyone can see your shameless lying.

GLORIFIED HUMAN.....ode!

MaxInDHouse:


Hmmmmmmmmmmmm definitely if only one person could OPEN and READ then who wrote it?

Barristter07:

Emusan lacks thinking

Bishopkingsley:


Some one that believes GB is their Jesus no method can work on them

The power of the cult men is strong on their lives they don't even believe in the new testaments

Don't you notice it

Barristter07:

Where is your thinking faculty ?

" But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll and read it. " Revelation 5:3

The Father hold the scrolls , wrote what's inside and sealed it.( Rev 5:1)

The text itself excluded him as he wasn't among those expected to open it.

livingchrist:
, you are running to text to seek clarification but when others does the same you wail and and become bitter.


No sir, you can only reap what you have sown, stick only with the statement 'no one in heaven, on earth and under the earth was worthy to open the seal'

Which means the Jehovah and Jesus cannot open the seal according to barrister

Barristter07:


Open which seal ? In whose hands ?

Brain

achorladey:


The new testament is written for only the 144,000 going to heaven. You never read am before for their publications?

You should know "anointed Christian" in their doctrines stands for 144,000. Those eating the emblems.

KNOWMORE56:


I think you meant to say these verses are mistakes. See them again:


The word opposite of begotten son is adopted son .

This should give us a clear understanding of the area this [b] BEGOTTEN SON is going - it's in regards to the salvation plans for humanity;[/b] all other saved human beings are ADOPTED SONS :

Jesus is the only begotten son :

*. John 3 16 "KJV:For God so loved the world, that he gave his ONLY BEGOTTEN SON , that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

ONLY means NO OTHER one!
others are adopted sons :

*. Romans 8:15 "KJV:For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of ADOPTION, whereby we cry, Abba, Father."

*. Romans 8:23 "KJV:And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the ADOPTION , to wit, the redemption of our body ."

*. Romans 9:4 "KJV:Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the ADOPTION , and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;"

". Galatians 4:5 "KJV:To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the ADOPTION of sons . "

*. Ephesians 1:5 "KJV: Having predestinated us unto the ADOPTION of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,"

John 3:16 "KJV:For God so loved the world, that he gave his ONLY BEGOTTEN SON"

Jesus is the Father's only begotten son in the spiritual realm before the Father gave his son to the world. John 8:38.
Receive SENSE & cure your Trinitarian DELUSION.

The First born of every creature is the only begotten son, the first creature of God his Father

You understand the difference between begotten son and adopted son, yet you carry your Trinitarian DELUSION like gala.
Point of Emphasis:
Every begotten son is a direct offspring of his Father. Jesus is a direct offspring of God his Father.
All other sons came after Jesus Christ.
Bros help yourself.
Cure your DELUSION.

Bishopkingsley:


The person or their mouth piece is always saying wrong things without reading Bible very well lol

MaxInDHouse:

Common sense is enough to know that if something is written and there's no one who can READ it, definitely it's a message for anybody but not the writer!

So whoever is able to read it couldn't have been the writer because he is also included among the beneficiaries of the message!

Bishopkingsley:
Peter declared war on all forms of Judaism (Acts 3:11-26), declaring at the entrance to the temple that only Messianic Judaism had the true interpretation of the OT scrolls with Jesus as the Jewish Messiah.

He declared Jesus was the only NAME by which people can be saved. To the Jewish leaders (Sanhedrin), Yahweh Jehovah YHVH was the only NAME. So Peter is attributing divinity to Jesus (blasphemy in their minds).
So Peter was actually saying is Jesus is God Almighty because only Jehovah can save.

This is reminiscent of John 10 where on Chanukah (Feast of Dedication) Jesus declares the same thing. Peter further promised to disobey them about preaching what they considered to be blasphemy and heresy.

The early group of believers now had targets on their backs and had to group together in survival mode and pool their resources together because they rebelled against the old testament by saying Jesus is the Savior

The book of acts showed God's hand was truly on this Christians, the Messianic Jewish resistance movement and after Acts 10 the Gentiles even became partakers of the rich olive tree (Rom 11).

So your line of thought in JW is not in line with the Apostles because all the Apostle say Jesus is our Savior while you refuse to acknowledge Jesus

Bishopkingsley:
JW tell me which line of thought do Christians follow the Bible own or the GB own

KNOWMORE56:




No one knows the day this means the Father also doesn't know....

Mathew 24:36 "KJV:But of that day and hour knoweth no man , no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."

freshboi88:
You people are wasting your time trying to reason with these JW guys. They are taught never to accept anything u guys say......

They have been brainwashed. Talking to them is like talking to a boko haram.

When u want to witness to them to make dem know that they are worshipping a false Jehovah, because the real Jehovah is a triune God, you ask them questions that their doctrine cannot answer.

Nd u pick those verses from the their new world translation.

An example verse is Rev 5:13-14. When u ask them questions on this verses. They will do only three things as we all saw when I was debating them

1. Quote scriptures that don't correspond to the verse.... In this case ask them to stick to the verse

2. Give ridiculous answers like when one of them was trying to change the verse saying it wasnt referring to all creatures but only intelligent creatures......clearly that's not in the verse

3. Run away battered n severed.

When u have done this allow God do the rest


Now that's how to witness to a JW

KNOWMORE56:
Can you ,barristter07, point out any quality of the true God that is missing in Jesus...

https://www.nairaland.com/6404492/characteristics-true-god.
: The Characteristics Of The True God by KNOWMORE56: 1:20am On Feb 08
*. One of the laws in mathematics says if 1(one) is multiplied by itself it remains the same, i.e 1×1×1= 1.

John 16:28 "I CAME FORTH from the Father..."

In my understanding He is saying " I multiplied/increased/project from the Father"

The 1st one(1) is one, 2nd one(1) is one and the 3rd one(1) is one. the same
Whatever description you give to any of them, the same is true for the rest.

This is the law that qualifies Jesus as the true God!

Let's see some of the qualities of the true God:

1. Creator
2. Power
3. Omniscient
4. Everlasting
5. Receiving worship
6. Judge of all
7. Love
8. Life

5.
Matthew 4:10 & Revelation 3:12, Jesus proven you're wrong.
As usual, twist any verse you can conjure

6.
Who made Jesus a judge of all?

John 17:7, who gave Jesus life?

Bros, continue DECEIVING yourself.

KNOWMORE56:


John 16:14 "KJV:He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of MINE , and shall shew it unto you.
15
KJV: All things that the Father hath are MINE : therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you."

Jesus said ALL ( not some) are mine!

He said that the Holy Spirit shall RECEIVE...

KNOWMORE56:


Your answer means the Father was working and Jesus was watching




*. Proverbs 8:27 "KJV: When He (the Father) prepared the heavens, I (Jesus) was there:

When He (the Father) prepared the heavens, I (Jesus) was there:

KNOWMORE56:



You guys can make people laugh...
Nobody in English often refers to human being. You should have used NOTHING instead because Jesus is called the LOIN OF THE TRIBE OF JUDAH in that place

This NOBODY is outside the Father, SON and Holy Spirit...
You have agreed with the KJV...

Let's see what happens there:

*. Revelations 5 :3 " KJV:And no man in heaven , nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.
4
KJV:And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.
5
KJV:And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, THE LION OF THE TRIBE OF JUDAH, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof. "

Now, using the same logic:
every CREATURE in verse 13 of revelations 5 should have included Jesus since you claim He is created

Greek: κτίσμα
Transliteration: ktisma
Pronunciation: ktis'-mah
Definition: From G2936; an original formation (concretely) that is product (created thing): - creature.
KJV Usage: creature ([/b]4x).
Occurs: 4
In verses: 4

Why is Jesus not included?

[b]

LIAR

Did you exclude Colossians 1:15?
This Bros, DECEIVING himself.
I challenge you to quote the KJV verses with Greek ktisma.
You DUBIOUSLY claim 4 whereas it includes Colossians 1:15.
KNOWMORE56 and his Trinity mentors they will not make heaven.
Their way no pure

Bishopkingsley:
What about Jesus' repeated use of "I AM" -- "I am the shepherd"; "I am the door"; "I am the truth"; "I am the way; I am the life; I am the vine; I am the resurrection and the life; I am the root and offspring of David, and the Bright Morning Star"? Would not each of those "I am" statements have reminded His Jewish listeners of the "I AM" statement by God to Moses in the desert?
.

Bishopkingsley:

Jesus was crucified because the Jews understood him to be saying he was God. To them that was blasphemy and as a result they engineered his crucifixion.
[s]His disciples understood what Jesus was saying as well. [/s]

Bishopkingsley:

That's why they picked up the Old Testament Hebrew word Adonai which is usually translated into English as "Lord" and used it for Jesus. The use of Lord as a title for Jesus when that same word is used a few hundred times in the Old Testament as a title for Yahweh makes a strong statement for Jesus' divinity.

Bishopkingsley:

;In John 20:18 Mary Magdalene is quoted as saying, "I have seen the Lord." In Greek, she uses the word -- "kurios"-- which is clearly used of God the Father in Acts 7:31: "The voice of the Lord came to Moses."

Kurios is also the same word used for God the Father in such passages as Philippians 4:5, 2 Corinthians 8:21, 1 Thessalonians 3:3, 2 Timothy 2:24, Hebrews 13:6, 1 Peter 1:25, 1 Peter 2:3, 2 Peter 3:9, James 1:7, James 4:10, and Revelation 4:11.

When Paul refers to Jesus over and over again as Lord (the same word in Exodus 3:35 which you quoted), it is clear that he understood Jesus to be saying He was God (for Paul, there is only "one Lord

Bishopkingsley:

We in the 21st century can try to rationalize away the Early Christians' conviction that Jesus of Nazareth was God incarnate. However, it is clear that Jesus' followers used the title "Lord" for Him in the same way that they used "Lord" for God the Father. In his writing, John especially emphasizes the deity of Christ. Sit down and read all the way through the Gospel of John and his three letters in one sitting. If you do that rather than just focusing on isolated scraps of Scripture, you will come away with the sense that John is intent on demonstrating that Jesus was indeed God.

KNOWMORE56:


They are just trying hard to see if they can deceive more people... but unfortunately to them, the more they try the more they are losing

Mr cherry picker DECEIVING himself

Your LYING keeps piling up on this forum.
We know Proverbs 8:22,30 is causing you sifia pains .

You copied the deceit of your Trinity mentors to DUBIOUSLY exclude Colossians 1:15 Greek ktisma "Creature" from your KJV lexicon

Matthew 24:36 you lied " the Father doesn't know"

Bros, you want more?

livingchrist:
you are pained! Jesus is Almighty God.

KNOWMORE56, Emusan, Bishop LIENUS are confused by the Trinity GIBBERISH.
"By saying that Jesus Christ and the Father are the same person- God Almighty you are making Jesus a LIAR"
The screenshot evidence proven Trinity robbed their SENSE

Janosky:


John 20:17 did Jesus worship your 3 Gods?

This Bishop, the 3 Gods Polytheist no even get shame to call himself "Christian" as if Jesus worship their 3 Gods.

Janosky:


KNOWMORE56, Emusan, Bishop LIENUS are confused by the Trinity GIBBERISH.
"By saying that Jesus Christ and the Father are the same person- God Almighty you are making Jesus a LIAR"
The screenshot evidence proven Trinity robbed their SENSE

Janosky:


You no even get conscience, LYING without shame.

livingchrist:
So you dont have brain? Because this is your line of reasoning.

freshboi88:


If I no get conscience. Y don't u address Rev 5 13-14 and tell us why Jesus isn't part of every creature?

Janosky:

Be honest with yourself.
Did your Bible @ Matthew 24:36 say "the Father also doesn't know"?

Matthew 24:36 "KJV:But of that day and hour knoweth no man , no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."
"

Una dey see this Bros, KNOWMORE56?
KNOWMORE56 will quote the Bible and say whatever suits his fancy and TWIST the Bible Truth.

Barristter07:

By your logic
Tell us why Jesus was excluded from those in heaven at Rev 5:3 in the same chapter.