freshboi88:


Please can u tell me or show me where it says Jesus is not in heaven in rev 5:3 ode

" But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth could open the scroll or even look inside it. "

Is Jesus in heaven ?

Barristter07:


" But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth could open the scroll or even look inside it. "

Is Jesus in heaven ?

5 But one of the elders said to me: “Stop weeping. Look! The Lion of the tribe of Judah,+ the root+ of David,+ has conquered+ so as to open the scroll and its seven seals.”

No one except Jesus


Rev 5:5 has made u a fool.

Where is the correlation between this and the fact that Jesus is not part of every creature.

So why is Jesus not part of every creature?

Why is he given the same honor, glory, power, adoration, worship, praise given to Jehovah.

Isn't that idolatry......do they practice idolatry in heaven

Barrister "No one in heaven or on earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll"

Barristter07:


Does no one in heaven could open or read the scrolls include who wrote what's written in the scroll and held it in his hands ?

I was asking you to think

Barristter07:

And here is the deal.
Jesus is the firstborn of those every CREATURE. Col 1:15 KJV , the firstborn of something is a part of it.

He was not counted in that chapter for the same reason he was not counted among those in heaven ( Rev 5:3)

Not recognized as a person in the chapter.

In colossians 1vv15 the word firstborn has already separated Jesus from every creature, not so in revelation.

Revelation 5:3 explicitly said that no one in heaven or in earth or under the earth could open the scroll.

So if Jesus is not part of the "no one" then how come?

Jesus became a man, that is how he became part of the creation he was not created.
Since Jesus possesses the full nature of God then he was not created because God cannot be created.

livingchrist:

In colossians 1vv15 the word firstborn has already separated Jesus from every creature, not so in revelation.

Firstborn " OF "

Of " Means belonging to. Not separated .

The same verse said he was firstborn from the dead , does that means he once never died ?

Proving firstborn in that verse means belong to the group.

Revelation 5:3 explicitly said that no one in heaven or in earth or under the earth could open the scroll.

So if Jesus is not part of the "no one" then how come?

[quote]

Then do you accept Jesus is not among those in heaven ?

[quote]
Jesus became a man, that is how he became part of the creation he was not created.
Since Jesus possesses the full nature of God then he was not created because God cannot be created.

He was a firstborn among men ?

livingchrist:
Barrister "No one in heaven or on earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll"

Who wrote the scroll and seal it ? To seal something you have to open it first isn't it ?

It's worse that you have to be thought how to think .

Barristter07:


Firstborn " OF "

Of " Means belonging to. Not separated .

The same verse said he was firstborn from the dead , does that means he once never died ?

Proving firstborn in that verse means belong to the group.

Firstborn means Jesus is part of the creation right?
So which word in Revelation 5 told you Jesus was part or those in heaven, on earth and under the earth?
If there is non then Jesus is not a creation.

Jesus became part of the creation through his incarnation, that is what philippians meant when it said Jesus took the form of servant by taking the form of man.

Jesus was not created or a servant prior before his incarnation.

Barristter07:


Who wrote the scroll and seal it ? To seal something you have to open it first isn't it ?

It's worse that you have to be thought how to think .

same thing with Hebrews 2vv17
Jesus was made in every way like his brethren with the exception of sin, since Jesus was without sin.

Bishopkingsley:


The person or their mouth piece is always saying wrong things without reading Bible very well lol

Reading it well enough to fit it into whatever agenda is on ground. That's the way they roll.

achorladey:


Reading it well enough to fit it into whatever agenda is on ground. That's the way they roll.

So the place Jesus said baptize them in the name of the father the son the holy spirit

Why do they run away from that part

Bishopkingsley:


So the place Jesus said baptize them in the name of the father the son the holy spirit

Why do they run away from that part

It might not be a case of them running away. It could be a case of them seeing that you will not agree with them on how they fit that scripture and their agenda.

Just you know that to become baptized member, you have to agree completely and say you will join them first. If someone continue to study Bible with no zeal to be their member omo na waste of time regarding baptism.

achorladey:


It might not be a case of them running away. It could be a case of them seeing that you will not agree with them on how they fit that scripture and their agenda.

Just you know that to become baptized member, you have to agree completely and say you will join them first. If someone continue to study Bible with no zeal to be their member omo na waste of time regarding baptism.

There Jesus is talking about spiritual baptism not John baptism don't they know the difference

Janosky:



KNOWMORE56, Emusan, Bishop LIENUS are confused by the Trinity GIBBERISH.
"By saying that Jesus Christ and the Father are the same person- God Almighty you are making Jesus a LIAR"
The screenshot evidence proven Trinity robbed their SENSE

You couldn't address my post only to come through backyard of mentioning my moniker after your deluded brother has advised you to stay away from my post

Barristter07:
This line of argument assumes the word " God " encompasses anyone called with the title " God" . Rather than identify who is the individual identified as God.

Foolishness at is peak!

This is not the line of argument lying liar JWs.

The line of argument is, At creation God says "LET US CREATE MAN IN OUR IMAGE and OUR LIKENESS"

Both you and your demonic organization, know that Jesus is there at the time of creation and to make the matter worst, even your organization agreed that it was Jesus Jehovah was addressing.

So there's no how you can twist this, Human are created in the IMAGE OF GOD and Jesus is God

Since humans are GODS. I can as well say humans are created in the image of Barrack Obama going by the line of reasoning. Since Obama is GOD too.

It's a foolish line of reasoning

Rather foolish line of a twisted mouth.

Was Obama there when God said "Let US create man in OUR OWN IMAGE after OUR likeness"?

It's obvious how you're trying to twist this by bringing in wrong analogy.

The question still remains, was Jesus part of that US & OUR? Which you're not still be able to provide answer to.

[s]Rather the truth is to identify who is meant by Adam being a Son of God. Simple, the Son of the Father. This is why we are children of the Father .

Act 17:28-31

We are The Father's children, who appointed Jesus. ( Jesus wasn't included as the owner of the children ) you are exposed


" For we live, move, and exist because of him, as some of your own poets have said: ‘…Since we are his children, too.’[n] 29 So if we are God’s children, we shouldn’t think that the divine being is like gold, silver, or stone, or is an image carved by humans using their own imagination and skill. 30 Though God has overlooked those times of ignorance, he now commands everyone everywhere to repent, 31 because he has set a day when he is going to judge the world with justice[o] through a man [Jesus] whom he has appointed. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising him from the dead.”

Take note that we are called children of the Father who appointed Jesus.

It's clear we are in the image of the Father.[/s]

Gen 1:26 "Let US create mankind in OUR image after OUR likeness"

Was Jesus part of that US & OUR?

There's no how you try to twist this, I won't give you that space.

"MADE like "

Made means build, create, produced , structured , made is telling you he is built like them, . You don't have sense

Did Daniel 7:13 said Someone MaDE LIKE ? Or looked like ?

Ezekiel 1:26 uses the same like language of Rev 14:14 like a man . So would you say the Father is human ?

The Fact remains Christ has none of the authority he was given before he came to earth.

See the lying liar, so you have to throw away the LIKE there just because it didn't dance to your tune.

Jesus is forever the Almighty God and the ruler of the Universe. You can hit your head on the walls.

You seem to have brain drain.

Daniel 7:13 is a prophecy about the Messiah which is the main point.

You're still dodging my question,

Who brought Jesus to Jehovah?

Why would Jesus who was with Jehovah, have the same glory with Jehovah, joined Jehovah to create other things, who knows jehovah more than anybody will still be LED to Jehovah

These are the questions you will continue to dodge because your lying mouth will not be able to speak the truth.

Emusan is forming words now. When you tell lies, you will need to coin various words to support your lies.

Nowhere is Jesus called Glorified human!

The same Greek word applied to every flesh and blood was applied to him. Which means he is a man like everyone else.

No man can see God and live. Final!

Just as you and your organization always forming words too.

The body Jesus resurrected with is glorified one.

Jesus is human in heaven now.

If it pains you, you know what to do.

It's either Jesus is man or not. If he is he can't survive seeing the Father.

But the Father was in Him while on Earth

[s]Another point to consider : the Greek ND hebrew word for man refer to that which has flesh and blood. So is Jesus flesh and blood in heaven ? ( U must coin a different Greek word for a man without blood)[/s]

I've silent you on this before, so if you have interest on this, you can read our previous conversations.

Barristter07:
Where is your thinking faculty ?

Your thinking faculty is in the hall, remember!

" But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll and read it. " Revelation 5:3

The Father hold the scrolls , wrote what's inside and sealed it.( Rev 5:1)

The text itself excluded him as he wasn't among those expected to open it.

Like I said, the bold is what I needed.

Next

Janosky:


John 3:16 "KJV:For God so loved the world, that he gave his ONLY BEGOTTEN SON"

Jesus is the Father's only begotten son in the spiritual realm before the Father gave his son to the world. John 8:38.
Receive SENSE & cure your Trinitarian DELUSION.

The First born of every creature is the only begotten son, the first creature of God his Father

You understand the difference between begotten son and adopted son, yet you carry your Trinitarian DELUSION like gala.
Point of Emphasis:
Every begotten son is a direct offspring of his Father. Jesus is a direct offspring of God his Father.
All other sons came after Jesus Christ.
Bros help yourself.
Cure your DELUSION.

When it says Jesus is the ONLY begotten (produce) Son; it means the rest are not begotten...

In regards to creation, Jesus is the ONLY Creator while human beings are created...

*. Genesis 1:27 "KJV:So GOD CREATED MAN in his own image, in the image of GOD CREATED he HIM; MALE and FEMALE created he them ."

*. John 1:3 "KJV:All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was Made.

in regards to redemption, Jesus is the only begotten .
The rest are adopted (not created)!

Read the post again:

The word opposite of begotten son is adopted son .

This should give us a clear understanding of the area this BEGOTTEN SON is going - it's in regards to the salvation plans for humanity ; all other saved human beings are ADOPTED SONS :

Jesus is the only begotten son :

*. John 3 16 "KJV:For God so loved the world, that he gave his ONLY BEGOTTEN SON , that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

ONLY means NO OTHER one !
others are adopted sons :

*. Romans 8:15 "KJV:For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of ADOPTION, whereby we cry, Abba, Father."

*. Romans 8:23 "KJV:And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the ADOPTION , to wit, the redemption of our body ."

*. Romans 9:4 "KJV:Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the ADOPTION , and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;"

". Galatians 4:5 "KJV: To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the ADOPTION of sons . "

*. Ephesians 1:5 "KJV: Having predestinated us unto the ADOPTION of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,"

the unsaved are the children of the Devil :

1 John 3:10 "KJV:In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil : whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother."

So while we may agree that Jesus as human being is produced....

Surely, Jesus as God Almighty created Himself!

Janosky:

Be honest with yourself.
Did your Bible @ Matthew 24:36 say "the Father also doesn't know"?

Matthew 24:36 "KJV:But of that day and hour knoweth no man , no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."
"
Una dey see this Bros, KNOWMORE56?
KNOWMORE56 will quote the Bible and say whatever suits his fancy and TWIST the Bible Truth.

Oh no! You are not following.

Your brother said what happened in revelations 5:3 means Jesus was not in Heaven or He wasn't counted....

" nobody (no one) was able to open the book"

Barristter07:


You are mistaken . At highlighted. KJV uses " no man" cos of the embarssment it might bring for people like you. This is the true meaning of the word

It means NO ONE , nothing like human being exist in the word. It simply means NOBODY

Once again, Do you accept Revelation 5:3 means Jesus is also not among those in heaven?

Janosky:

1
Did Jesus create his Father?
Is the first born of every creature of God a creature?

The answer to the question WHO CREATED GOD? is God is a Being who created Himself...

it takes wisdom to create...if you agree indeed that Jesus is the wisdom of God, then it's Jesus God used to create Himself !

[b] question

How did God create Himself without wisdom...

how did He create Jesus without wisdom?

1 Corinthians 8:6, Matthew 19:4-6, John 15:15, Jesus was taught only his Father is the Creator.

To teach, the teacher would have to do something and ask the student to do the same...

this your JESUS WAS TAUGHT means you are not in agreement with the GB who said Jesus is the ONLY thing created by the Father...

The Father created trees and ask Jesus to do the same... this is what Janosky is saying...

2.
Matthew 28:18, Was his Father ever given power?

In revelations 4:8-11 we say it's Jesus that is being worshiped there but watch Tower say it is the Father:

KJV:And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.
9
KJV:And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever,
10
KJV:The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,
11
KJV:Thou art worthy, O Lord, TO RECEIVE glory and honour and POWER : for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created."

question :

Who is being worshiped here... is it Jesus or the Father...

Who is to receive power in that place?

3.
Only the Father knows, Matthew 24:36.
If you have to, KNOWMORE56 go and twist any verse you want.

At this point Jesus is as Human being:

*. Acts 2:22 "KJV:Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:"

*. Acts 13:38 "KJV:Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:"

*. Acts 17:31 "KJV:Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead."

4
Matthew 27:43,46, What is everlasting about your deity killed by men ?
Was his God & Father ever killed?

Jesus as human being was killed but Jesus as God Almighty is Alive for ever and ever !

*. Revelations 1:8 "KJV:I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which IS, and which WAS, and which IS to come, the Almighty ."

18 KJV: I am HE that LIVETH, and WAS dead; and, behold, I AM ALIVE FOR EVERMORE, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death."

5.
Matthew 4:10 & Revelation 3:12, Jesus proven you're wrong.
As usual, twist any verse you can conjure

Jesus said He is the only God that I should SERVE

*. John 12:26 "KJV:If any man SERVE ME, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: [b] if any man SERVE ME, him will my Father honour ."

Jesus said SERVE ME !

6.
Who made Jesus a judge of all?

Nobody... it's He's eternal attribute!

John 17:7, who gave Jesus life?

Nobody...He's eternal life!

*. 1 John 1:2 "KJVFor the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that ETERNAL LIFE, which was with the Father , and was manifested unto us"

*. 1 John 5:11 "KJV:And this is the record, that God hath given to us ETERNAL LIFE , and this life is in his Son."

"...He gave His only begotten son.."

"... God has given us ETERNAL LIFE.."

20 KJV:And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and ETERNAL LIFE ."

Janosky:


John 17:7 , 1 Corinthians 3:23
If KNOWMORE56 will receive SENSE.

*. John 16:14 "KJV:He shall glorify me: for He shall receive of MINE , and shall shew it unto you.
15
KJV: All things that the Father hath are MINE : therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you."

Jesus said ALL ( not some) are mine !

Disapprove Him let's see

Janosky:

The screenshot of Proverbs 8:30 proven
You don't love the truth, Mr cherry picker.

I've already gotten your point - the Father created River Benue and then the Son created River Niger...

A kind of DO AS I DO. It's you and your GB that will discuss that...

As for me I stand with IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WAS EVER CREATED, IT'S DONE BY JESUS!

John 1:3 "KJV:All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Emusan:


Foolishness at is peak!

This is not the line of argument lying liar JWs.

The line of argument is, At creation God says "LET US CREATE MAN IN OUR IMAGE and OUR LIKENESS"

Both you and your demonic organization, know that Jesus is there at the time of creation and to make the matter worst, even your organization agreed that it was Jesus Jehovah was addressing.

So there's no how you can twist this, Human are created in the IMAGE OF GOD and Jesus is God

Rather foolish line of a twisted mouth.

Was Obama there when God said "Let US create man in OUR OWN IMAGE after OUR likeness"?

It's obvious how you're trying to twist this by bringing in wrong analogy.

The question still remains, was Jesus part of that US & OUR? Which you're not still be able to provide answer to.

Gen 1:26 "Let US create mankind in OUR image after OUR likeness"

Was Jesus part of that US & OUR?

There's no how you try to twist this, I won't give you that space.

1Cor 3:23 Christ belong to God. And Christ exist in the image OF ( belonging to ) the Father .

The image in Genesis belongs to the Father !

When he said OUR, he was reffering to his image which Jesus now bear.

Once again it said " IMAGE " not images. It belong to one person.

Two persons = Two images

One person = one image .

See the lying liar, so you have to throw away the LIKE there just because it didn't dance to your tune.

Jesus is forever the Almighty God and the ruler of the Universe. You can hit your head on the walls.

You seem to have brain drain.


Daniel 7:13 is a prophecy about the Messiah which is the main point.

You're still dodging my question,

Who brought Jesus to Jehovah?

Why would Jesus who was with Jehovah, have the same glory with Jehovah, joined Jehovah to create other things, who knows jehovah more than anybody will still be LED to Jehovah

These are the questions you will continue to dodge because your lying mouth will not be able to speak the truth.

He can't be given what he already has. Daniel 7:13 is a prove Jesus didn't have any of those authority before coming to earth.

The text simply says he approach God, I don't know why you dwell extras by translators.

And a man of Flesh and blood cannot see God and live.

Just as you and your organization always forming words too.


The body Jesus resurrected with is glorified one.

Jesus is human in heaven now.

If it pains you, you know what to do.

But the Father was in Him while on Earth

I've silent you on this before, so if you have interest on this, you can read our previous conversations.

The bible never said Jesus ressurect with a Glorified human body . Will you produce the text where you get this glorified human body from?

To claim Jesus ressurect as a man , you just accept that the Greek word translated man was applied strictly to creatures who depend on blood to LIVE. And whom it's said cannot see God and live !

To claim Jesus does not have blood is to claim he is a dead person.

" The life of every flesh is in the blood "

livingchrist:

Firstborn means Jesus is part of the creation right?
So which word in Revelation 5 told you Jesus was part or those in heaven, on earth and under the earth?
If there is non then Jesus is not a creation.


Jesus became part of the creation through his incarnation , that is what philippians meant when it said Jesus took the form of servant by taking the form of man.

Jesus was not created or a servant prior before his incarnation.

He was firstborn of all creation when he became human ? Mary his mother no senior am ?

Stop deceiving yourself ,the text refer to his existence as a First spirit creature.

Janosky:




LIAR

Did you exclude Colossians 1:15?
This Bros, DECEIVING himself.
I challenge you to quote the KJV verses with Greek ktisma.
You DUBIOUSLY claim 4 whereas it includes Colossians 1:15.
KNOWMORE56 and his Trinity mentors they will not make heaven.
Their way no pure

Janosky try to understand nau...

The question the brother asked was IF JESUS WAS CREATED why did He not join in giving worship to the Father when it's time for EVERY CREATED THING (creature) in heaven, on earth and under the earth to do so?

*. Revelations 5: 13 "KJV:And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever."

livingchrist:
same thing with Hebrews 2vv17
Jesus was made in every way like his brethren [b] with the exception of sin, [/b]since Jesus was without sin.

So existing in Nature of a servant has exceptions of their sin

Shows existing IN Nature of God has exceptions too. Doesn't make him Almighty, no son of God is like Jehovah

Barristter07:


He was firstborn of all creation when he became human ? Mary his mother no senior am ?

Stop deceiving yourself ,the text refer to his existence as a First spirit creature.

firstborn does not mean first to exist but in position.

Barristter07:

So existing in Nature of a servant has exceptions of their sin

Shows existing IN Nature of God has exceptions too. Doesn't make him Almighty, no son of God is like Jehovah

Hebrew 2vv17 is continuation of the previous verses. So Hebrews 2vv17 is specific and limited. But col 2:9 is absolute meaning without exception, the fulness of the Godhead dwells in christ.

Psalms 89:6 For who in the heaven can be compared unto the LORD? who among the sons of the mighty can be likened unto the LORD?

Psalm 89:6 Is a question and the answer is Jesus.
Jesus is like The yahweh because he is yahweh.

livingchrist:
Hebrew 2vv17 is continuation of the previous verses. So Hebrews 2vv17 is specific and limited. But col 2:9 is absolute meaning without exception, the fulness of the Godhead dwells in christ.

That Fullness his disciples also possess. Read verse 10. So it wasn't about him having all the nature Jehovah possess.

Psalms 89:6 For who in the heaven can be compared unto the LORD? who among the sons of the mighty can be likened unto the LORD?

Psalm 89:6 Is a question and the answer is Jesus.
Jesus is like The yahweh because he is yahweh.

Verse 7 answers that Jehovah stand out among his holy ones. Answer to verse 6 none

Barristter07:
1Cor 3:23 Christ belong to God. And Christ exist in the image OF ( belonging to ) the Father.

Of course Christ belong to God but The Word of God which became Human is God and eternal.

Spot the difference.

The image in Genesis belongs to the Father !

When he said OUR, he was reffering to his image which Jesus now bear.

Once again it said " IMAGE " not images. It belong to one person.

Two persons = Two images

One person = one image .

@color you can keep on committing this intellectual fraud just because you can't stop lying.

Again, was Jesus part of that US & OUR?

You haven't given a straight forward answer because you know you're lying.

@underlined, if Jesus NOW bear the image of God, which image was your Jesus created with in the first place?

Was your Jesus created with ANOTHER PERSON'S IMAGE different from the Father or the Father's OWN IMAGE?

If Jesus was created IN Father's image, then Gen 1:26 still hold that both US & OUR is talking about ONE IMAGE.

like I do say, the more you think you can twist scripture the more you'll keep exposing the work of you and your father the Devil.

He can't be given what he already has. Daniel 7:13 is a prove Jesus didn't have any of those authority before coming to earth.

The text simply says he approach God, I don't know why you dwell extras by translators.

Daniel 7:13 is a prophecy of the coming of Messiah NOT what the Messiah is before coming to earth, how can you so dull?

If it's what the Messiah is, the right appropriate description will have been MICHAEL.

Now it's about DWELL EXTRAS BY TRANSLATORS, didn't your demonic translation even make the work difficult for you?

“I kept on beholding in the visions of the night, and, see there! with the clouds of the heavens someone like a son of man * happened to be coming; and to the Ancient of Days he gained access, and they brought him up close even before that One" NWT

Who are they that brought Jesus CLOSE to Jehovah?

Why would Jesus who was with Jehovah, have the same glory with Jehovah, joined Jehovah to create other things, who knows jehovah more than anybody will still have to GAIN ACCESS and brought CLOSE to Jehovah

Your demonic translation can't even withstand your lies.

[s]And a man of Flesh and blood cannot see God and live.[/s]

The bible never said Jesus ressurect with a Glorified human body . Will you produce the text where you get this glorified human body from?

I see how you stylishly boycotted that part where I said The Father was in Human Jesus

The Bible never talk about Theocracy, will you produce the text where you get Theocracy from?

To claim Jesus ressurect as a man , you just accept that the Greek word translated man was applied strictly to creatures who depend on blood to LIVE. And whom it's said cannot see God and live !

To claim Jesus does not have blood is to claim he is a dead person.

" The life of every flesh is in the blood "

You can keep crying on that.

Jesus is still a man in heaven.

livingchrist:
firstborn does not mean first to exist but in position.

Word play again
Matt 11:11 John the Baptist is the greatest among the humans on Earth. So how is Jesus firstborn in position ?

Emusan:


Of course Christ belong to God but The Word of God which became Human is God and eternal.

Spot the difference.

@color you can keep on committing this intellectual fraud just because you can't stop lying.

Again, was Jesus part of that US & OUR?

You haven't given a straight forward answer because you know you're lying.

@underlined, if Jesus NOW bear the image of God, which image was your Jesus created with in the first place?

Was your Jesus created with ANOTHER PERSON'S IMAGE different from the Father or the Father's OWN IMAGE?

If Jesus was created IN Father's image, then Gen 1:26 still hold that both US & OUR is talking about ONE IMAGE.

like I do say, the more you think you can twist scripture the more you'll keep exposing the work of you and your father the Devil.

That's the point. One single image. Which belongs to the Father. Same image we are made in. This is why every body in that image is called Son of God , The Father . !!!

Not Son of Jesus. , Jesus is even a brother .

Christ himself belong to the Father.

Daniel 7:13 is a prophecy of the coming of Messiah NOT what the Messiah is before coming to earth, how can you so dull?

If it's what the Messiah is, the right appropriate description will have been MICHAEL.

Now it's about DWELL EXTRAS BY TRANSLATORS, didn't your demonic translation even make the work difficult for you?

“I kept on beholding in the visions of the night, and, see there! with the clouds of the heavens someone like a son of man * happened to be coming; and to the Ancient of Days he gained access, and they brought him up close even before that One" NWT

Who are they that brought Jesus CLOSE to Jehovah?

Why would Jesus who was with Jehovah, have the same glory with Jehovah, joined Jehovah to create other things, who knows jehovah more than anybody will still have to GAIN ACCESS and brought CLOSE to Jehovah

Your demonic translation can't even withstand your lies.



I see how you stylishly boycotted that part where I said The Father was in Human Jesus

The Bible never talk about Theocracy, will you produce the text where you get Theocracy from?





You can keep crying on that.

Jesus is still a man in heaven.

Daniel 7:13 exposed you.

Revelation 1:14 exposed you more, as Jesus is not a son of man but " LIKE "

As for your saying someone boycott the Father is in him. It's a silly basis. We are also in the Father ( John 14:20, John 17:23 ) , does that mean we see God as humans ?

Start to think

No man can see God and live. Man is a term applied to every person flesh and blood , check every usage of the word. Without blood man is lifeless, I don't know where you get your lifeless Jesus theory from.

SO THE BIBLE didn't call Jesus human body " Glorified " ? Eeyah

Barristter07:
That's the point. One single image. Which belongs to the Father. Same image we are made in. This is why every body in that image is called Son of God , The Father . !!!

Not Son of Jesus. , Jesus is even a brother .

Christ himself belong to the Father.

You raised two points which I asked you questions on.

Only for you to boycott my questions and address another thing.

@underlined, if Jesus NOW bear the image of God, which image was your Jesus created with in the first place?

Was your Jesus created with ANOTHER PERSON'S IMAGE different from the Father or the Father's OWN IMAGE?

If Jesus was created IN Father's image, then Gen 1:26 still hold that both US & OUR is talking about ONE IMAGE.

Both US & OUR are possessive pronounce which means the Image belong to BOTH US & OUR.

So basically Jesus is part of that US & OUR, right?

Daniel 7:13 exposed you.

Revelation 1:14 exposed you more, as Jesus is not a son of man but " LIKE "

See the way the shameless lying liar dodged my point.

Daniel 7:13 is a prophecy of the coming of Messiah NOT what the Messiah is before coming to earth, how can you so dull?

If it's what the Messiah is, the right appropriate description will have been MICHAEL.

Now it's about DWELL EXTRAS BY TRANSLATORS, didn't your demonic translation even make the work difficult for you?

“I kept on beholding in the visions of the night, and, see there! with the clouds of the heavens someone like a son of man * happened to be coming; and to the Ancient of Days he gained access, and they brought him up close even before that One" NWT

Who are they that brought Jesus CLOSE to Jehovah

Why would Jesus who was with Jehovah, have the same glory with Jehovah, joined Jehovah to create other things, who knows jehovah more than anybody will still have to GAIN ACCESS and brought CLOSE to Jehovah

Your demonic translation can't even withstand your lies.

As for your saying someone boycott the Father is in him. It's a silly basis. We are also in the Father ( John 14:20 ) , does that mean we see God as humans ?

Start to think

You're not in the Father, lying liar!

John 14:20 says "ONE THAT DAY...."

And Stephen saw GOD...ode!

No man can see God and live. Man is a term applied to every person flesh and blood . I don't know where you get your dead Jesus theory from.

SO THE BIBLE didn't call Jesus human body " Glorified " ? Eeyah

Jesus is still Human in heaven. That is what Stephen saw.

So the Bible didn't talk about Theocracy, o ma se oooo!

Emusan:

You raised two points which I asked you questions on.

Only for you to boycott my questions and address another thing.

@underlined, if Jesus NOW bear the image of God, which image was your Jesus created with in the first place?

Was your Jesus created with ANOTHER PERSON'S IMAGE different from the Father or the Father's OWN IMAGE?

If Jesus was created IN Father's image, then Gen 1:26 still hold that both US & OUR is talking about ONE IMAGE.

Both US & OUR are possessive pronounce which means the Image belong to BOTH US & OUR.

So basically Jesus is part of that US & OUR, right?

Don't be a fool, nobody is talking about whom God was talking to. But the identity of the Image which humans and Jesus bear. Unquestionably belonged to the Father.

See the way the shameless lying liar dodged my point.


Daniel 7:13 is a prophecy of the coming of Messiah NOT what the Messiah is before coming to earth, how can you so dull?

If it's what the Messiah is, the right appropriate description will have been MICHAEL.

Now it's about DWELL EXTRAS BY TRANSLATORS, didn't your demonic translation even make the work difficult for you?

“I kept on beholding in the visions of the night, and, see there! with the clouds of the heavens someone like a son of man * happened to be coming; and to the Ancient of Days he gained access, and they brought him up close even before that One" NWT

Who are they that brought Jesus CLOSE to Jehovah

Why would Jesus who was with Jehovah, have the same glory with Jehovah, joined Jehovah to create other things, who knows jehovah more than anybody will still have to GAIN ACCESS and brought CLOSE to Jehovah

Your demonic translation can't even withstand your lies.

Use your brain, Can he be given what he already possess ?

That's to tell you he had none until Daniel 7:13,14 was fulfilled

You're not in the Father, lying liar!

John 14:20 says "ONE THAT DAY...."

And Stephen saw GOD...ode!

Let me answer since you decided to stoop this low.
And Stephen died . Proving it true that no man can see God and live.

John 17:23 -
I am in them and you are in me. May they experience such perfect unity that the world will know that you sent me and that you love them as much as you love me.

That day is while they are still in the world. If the Father is in Jesus, and Jesus is in us, then the Father is in us as as well. Does that mean we saw the Father ?

Jesus is still Human in heaven. That is what Stephen saw.

So the Bible didn't talk about Theocracy, o ma se oooo!

Ezekiel was called son of man and we know he is flesh and blood. Then u accept Stephen saw a Jesus with blood ? OMOHHHHHHHHHH