Nwanyiogwashi:
This is not news ,we the people of ogwashi ukwu kingdom in Delta north are Igbo

God bless u Ada Ogwashi.

Igboid:


There is no clan called Ndokwa. Ndokwa is an artificial creation gotten by combining Ndioshimili and Ukwuani.
The Ndoni are Olu people which includes Ndioshimili (Ndokwa East in Delta State), Ogbaru LGA in Anambra, and Oguta people in Imo state.
The Ogbaru are proud Igbos, the Ndoni don't deny Igbo but retain their distinct Ndoni entity for Rivers State politics sake, the Ndokwa East on the other hand are in a bit of identity crisis, though not as bad as Ukwuani and Ndokwa West.

my wife is an ogbaru woman. Her people call us from hinterland 'ndi igbo'. I wonder why.

thatigboman1:
my wife is an ogbaru woman. Her people call us from hinterland 'ndi igbo'. I wonder why.

That is Stella Odua's village and they are proud Igbos. Onitsha people also use the term "nwa onye Igbo". Means nothing in actual sense. In the end, we are all Igbos.

Igboid:

AGBOR, AGBOR COMMUNITY, BASIL OKOH, BRITISH COLONIAL, COMMUNITY, EDITORIAL, IKA HISTORY, RELIGION, TOP NEWS
AGBOR IS NOT IKA
NOVEMBER 29, 2020 UCHE MITI
– BASIL OKOH

Only a bastard answers to a name given him by strangers. He has no father to give him a name and so takes the name given him by strangers.Agbor has a name “Agbon” (The World), given, according to our mythology, by God Himself. For more than 4,700 years of continuous history and habitation of our land, we have borne that name in our community and wherever we go. Agbor is the name of our land and the language we speak.

Ika” is not the name or pseudonym of Agbor people. “Ika” is a name given by a renegade British Colonial Officer in 1936 to the vassals of Agbor kingdom, to spite the reigning king Agborbu of Agbor after an altercation. The name “Ika” was given to divide a once united people in the old Agbor Kingdom and whittle down the power and Majesty of their king.Ika is the name given to those vassal communities to create an identity for them different from Agbor. Ika was never meant to identify or describe the people of Agbor who already had a name and an indisputable identity.

Ika is the name given by a stranger and has no history or meaning in Agbor language and traditions.

No Agbor person alive was ever told by his parents that he is an “Ika” person. Ika is not a word with any meaning in our language or was it ever used in Agbor lore’s.

Anybody writing the history of our people and using the words “Ika History” is engaging in Fabrications and fraud. No place in that neighborhood was ever known as Ika before 1936, less than ninety years ago.

Agbor history goes far beyond 2700 BC and by implication beyond the present Dein dynasty. Dein dynasty since 1270 AD is the third dynasty in Agbor history and so far, the shortest.

Anybody involved in the promotion of “Ika” in Agbor is engaging in chicanery and deception for political gain. No Agbor person ever introduces himself as Ika. It is demeaning.

Our Local Government is named by the Nigerian Government as Ika South. We did not name the Local Government. We are Agbor people in Ika South Local Government Area. Nothing more.Agbor ni’Igidi oken ali.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/wazobianigeria.com/2020/11/29/agbor-is-not-ika-2/

I told you this a 1000 times, Some Agbor people can cut your head if you say they are speaking, "Ika".. and true, in reality their dialect is significantly different from the others... In fact, all of them speak a significantly different dialect.
Agbor people believe they are the head of that area and Ika means, "Integrated kingdom of Agbor". They believe the rest to be mere subjects but not the same as them. This is however, when it is convenient and not in politics.

As for Ndoni, they are just same people as Oguta.

thatigboman1:
my wife is an ogbaru woman. Her people call us from hinterland 'ndi igbo'. I wonder why.

I can tell you that most Igbos call other Igbos, "Ndi Igbo", many just dropped this habit less than 70 years ago, while others continued to this day.
The Izza-Ezza and Ngbo in Ebonyi state and many other groups refer to Igbos from other states as, "Onye/Ndi Igbo"... when discussing amongst themselves but Igbo when talking to "Non-Igbos"...

it's like some sibling who will refer to their mother as "mama (insert siblings name)" as if the subject is not their own mother too.

thatigboman1:
my wife is an ogbaru woman. Her people call us from hinterland 'ndi igbo'. I wonder why.

The ancient Igbos classified themselves into two.
1. The Igbos (meaning the land/forest dwellers)
2. The Olu/Oru( meaning the riverine dwellers).

Ndoni, Ogbaru, Ndioshimili, communities in Anambra West along Anambra river, Oguta, etc that all dwelled in riverine areas were called Olu/Oru, while they in turn called us who dwelled on the land, "Igbo".

Consider Olu/Oru as ancient Igbo term for "Mbammili" which is our modern term for it.

When the ancient Igbo speaks of the World, they say: "Olu na Igbo", meaning the waters and the land. That's the Igbo world as they knew it.
So you hear words like: "Olu na Igbo bu ofu", etc.
It doesn't mean that Olu are different from Igbo, it's just a distinction we make within ourselves to describe our geographical location and topography.
When an Olu finds himself outside Igbo speaking sphere, he will still identify as Igbo. But within the Igbo speaking realm, he doesn't want to be Igbo, he wants to be Olu.

Ekealterego:

I can tell you that most Igbos call other Igbos, "Ndi Igbo", many just dropped this habit less than 70 years ago, while others continued to this day.
The Izza-Ezza and Ngbo in Ebonyi state and many other groups refer to Igbos from other states as, "Onye/Ndi Igbo"... when discussing amongst themselves but Igbo when talking to "Non-Igbos"...

it's like some sibling who will refer to their mother as "mama (insert siblings name)" as if the subject is not their own mother too.

You captured it well.

Ekealterego:

I can tell you that most Igbos call other Igbos, "Ndi Igbo", many just dropped this habit less than 70 years ago, while others continued to this day.
The Izza-Ezza and Ngbo in Ebonyi state and many other groups refer to Igbos from other states as, "Onye/Ndi Igbo"... when discussing amongst themselves but Igbo when talking to "Non-Igbos"...

it's like some sibling who will refer to their mother as "mama (insert siblings name)" as if the subject is not their own mother too.

very funny. Growing up, i remember our neighbour, one Ikeduru young man that the brother brought from village to come and stay with them and learn trade in town.
When they came, the man's children rushed the man shouting "dee sunday". That's how we started calling him dee Sunday. even the man joined and was calling his younger brother dee Sunday. It was when I grew up that I knew that the man's name was Sunday. That dee meant uncle.

Ekealterego:


I told you this a 1000 times, Some Agbor people can cut your head if you say they are speaking, "Ika".. and true, in reality their dialect is significantly different from the others... In fact, all of them speak a significantly different dialect.
Agbor people believe they are the head of that area and Ika means, "Integrated kingdom of Agbor". They believe the rest to be mere subjects but not the same as them. This is however, when it is convenient and not in politics.

As for Ndoni, they are just same people as Oguta.

Agbor people hate the IKA tag.
They see it as British plot to diminish Agbor influence over the rest of the clans in the place we call IKa today.

They see the rest of Ika as their descendants and indirectly their subjects.

Notice that when Dein of Agbor recently issued a communique on preservation of Agbor heritage.
While many were busy obsessed with his statement that Agbor people should give their people more Agbor names and should avoid Igbo names, he also said they should avoid "Ika" names.
But as expected, only the Igbo part of that statement made news.

thatigboman1:
very funny. Growing up, i remember our neighbour, one Ikeduru young man that the brother brought from village to come and stay with them and learn trade in town.
When they came, the man's children rushed the man shouting "dee sunday". That's how we started calling him dee Sunday. even the man joined and was calling his younger brother dee Sunday. It was when I grew up that I knew that the man's name was Sunday. That dee meant uncle.

Lol!
Growing up, we all called my mum "mama-Ifeanyi", because that's how everyone else referred to her.
Ifeanyi is her first child and my elder brother.

I don’t know how you carry person matter for head like this

He called on all Agbor indigenes to preserve Agbor culture and stop promoting Igbo culture. His words, “stop giving our children Igbo names.The native names given to our children should be pronounced and written in Agbor language and not in Igbo or Ika language as Agbor has its own unique language.

https://www.nairaland.com/4507273/stop-promoting-igbo-culture-says

I found the Dein quote.

Igboid:


The ancient Igbos classified themselves into two.
1. The Igbos (meaning the land/forest dwellers)
2. The Olu/Oru( meaning the riverine dwellers).

Ndoni, Ogbaru, Ndioshimili, communities in Anambra West along Anambra river, Oguta, etc that all dwelled in riverine areas were called Olu/Oru, while they in turn called us who dwelled on the land, "Igbo".

Consider Olu/Oru as ancient Igbo term for "Mbammili" which is our modern term for it.

When the ancient Igbo speaks of the World, they say: "Olu na Igbo", meaning the waters and the land. That's the Igbo world as they knew it.
So you hear words like: "Olu na Igbo bu ofu", etc.
It doesn't mean that Olu are different from Igbo, it's just a distinction we make within ourselves to describe our geographical location and topography.
When an Olu finds himself outside Igbo speaking sphere, he will still identify as Igbo. But within the Igbo speaking realm, he doesn't want to be Igbo, he wants to be Olu.

tnx. This is very insightful. We call them "ndi mba mmiri" in my place.

thatigboman1:
tnx. This is very insightful. We call them "ndi mba mmiri" in my place.

Yes. That's a post colonial Igbo word for them.

In precolonial Igbo era, they were called Olu/Oru.
Ask any old person in your village, they will confirm that for you.
Language is a living thing and is continuously evolving.
Check out how Uno/Ulo/Uyo/Oro depending on your dialect, has displaced the more ancient Igbo word for homestead "Uru/Uhu", from our daily usage.
Uhu/uru are only preserved in the names of our towns and villages. Hardly do any Igbo dialect use it in every day conversation these days.
Language evolution caught up with it.

Igboid:


Yes. That's a post colonial Igbo word for them.

In precolonial Igbo era, they were called Olu/Oru.
Ask any old person in your village, they will confirm that for you.
Language is a living thing and is continuously evolving.
Check out how Uno/Ulo/Uyo/Oro depending on your dialect, has displaced the more ancient Igbo word for homestead "Uru/Uhu", from our daily usage.
Uhu/uru are only preserved in the names of our towns and villages. Hardly do any Igbo dialect use it in every day conversation these days.
Language evolution caught up with it.

tnx. Will sure enquire on these when I travel to the village in December

Igboid:


Yes. That's a post colonial Igbo word for them.

In precolonial Igbo era, they were called Olu/Oru.
Ask any old person in your village, they will confirm that for you.
Language is a living thing and is continuously evolving.
Check out how Uno/Ulo/Uyo/Oro depending on your dialect, has displaced the more ancient Igbo word for homestead "Uru/Uhu", from our daily usage.
Uhu/uru are only preserved in the names of our towns and villages. Hardly do any Igbo dialect use it in every day conversation these days.
Language evolution caught up with it.

Examples please.

SlayerForever:




Examples please.

Examples of what bro?

Igboid:


Examples of what bro?

I mean examples of words still bearing uru/uhu for house/home.

SlayerForever:



I mean examples of words still bearing uru/uhu for house/home.

You see them in names of towns and villages within a town throughout Igbo land.

And you will notice they are usually used in place of Uno/Ulo.

Like you have Uru-ala close to Nnewi in Imo state. Literally it means homestead that is in a flat/ low topography, as against one in a hilly one.
In Nnewi proper, you have Uru-agu. Meaning Homestead built in an Agu( thick forest).

In Ogidi one of the Nine villages that make up the town is called "Uru", so you have places like "Uru-Orji" , meaning a homestead build by an Orji tree.
We have "Uru-Ezealo" meaning homestead of of Ezearo.

In Nnewe Enugu (Aninri LGA), they have a village called "Uhueze". The founder of the village was probably named "Eze".

Uhu/Uru is attached to up to hundred villages and towns all over Igboland.

Igboid:


https://www.nairaland.com/4507273/stop-promoting-igbo-culture-says

I found the Dein quote.

that boy called dein of agbor is a very foolish boy.
The bible said it. Ecclesiastes 10:16 "Woe to thee, O land, when thy king is a child"

Igboid:


You see them in names of towns and villages within a town throughout Igbo land.

And you will notice they are usually used in place of Uno/Ulo.

Like you have Uru-ala close to Nnewi in Imo state. Literally it means homestead that is in a flat/ low topography, as against one in a hilly one.
In Nnewi proper, you have Uru-agu. Meaning Homestead built in an Agu( thick forest).

In Ogidi one of the Nine villages that make up the town is called "Uru", so you have places like "Uru-Orji" , meaning a homestead build by an Orji tree.
We have "Uru-Ezearo" meaning homestead of of Ezearo.

In Nnewe Enugu (Aninri LGA), they have a village called "Uhueze". The founder of the village is probably names "Eze".

Uhu/Uru is attached to up to hundred villages and towns all over Igboland.

Hmm. I've never thought of it that way. Perhaps I will seek more enlightenment on that. Thank you.

thatigboman1:
that boy called dein of agbor is a very foolish boy.
The bible said it. Ecclesiastes 10:16 "Woe to thee, O land, when thy king is a child"

He was raised in a foreign palace ( Bini palace), so they naturally robbed their Igbophobia on him.
He said he was going to walk out of his palace, any of his chiefs that presented to his Palace on Igbo red cap in the future.

Notice he has nothing to say about Bini names in Agbor,his main concern were Igbo and Ika names. Lol!

SlayerForever:



Hmm. I've never thought of it that way. Perhaps I will seek more enlightenment on that. Thank you.

Now that I think of it.
I remember that once I was in Isuikwuato, I noticed the people used Uru on regular basis in place of Uno/Ulo.

You hear things like: Laa la Uhu, chi ejiela!
Meaning go home , it is late.

Igboid:


He was raised in a foreign palace ( Bini palace), so they naturally robbed their Igbophobia on him.
He said he was going to walk away out of his palace, any of his chiefs that presented to his a Palace on Igbo red cap in the future.

Notice he has nothing to say about Bini names in Agbor,his main concern were Igbo and Ika names. Lol!

the guy is very foolish. I read all the nonsense he said.
Yet all of them bear chidinma, uche, ifeanyi etc and speak igbo

Igboid:


Now that I think of it.
I remember that once I was in Isuikwuato, I noticed the people used Uru on regular basis in place of Uno/Ulo.

You hear things like: Laa la Uhu, chi ejiela!
Meaning go home , it is late.

I will research on that uru when I get home. Ur example uruala will be my starting point.

Igboid:


Now that I think of it.
I remember that once I was in Isuikwuato, I noticed the people used Uru on regular basis in place of Uno/Ulo.

You hear things like: Laa la Uhu, chi ejiela!
Meaning go home , it is late.

Great!

I will be honest. Sometimes in my private moments I try to imagine what the Igbo society would have sounded like a thousand years ago. I always imagined that if I were to suddenly appear among my ancestors I would not understand them fully. Or maybe at all. Even many practices I would witness would stun me.

I could tell this would be the case because of our place names which we Igbos of today can't decipher. Secondly, I know for sure languages evolve. Some words are dropped entirely whilst some that never existed are added. Some pronunciations modified over ages etc etc.

Mind boggling!

Aksnoopy:
You this foolish fake agbor boy again.

somebody that doesn't know his gender

His identity crisis is on another level. Pantami's balls fall on him..

SlayerForever:
I will be honest. Sometimes in my private moments I try to imagine what the Igbo society would have sounded like a thousand years ago. I always imagined that if I were to suddenly appear among my ancestors I would not understand them fully. Or maybe at all. Even many practices I would witness would stun me.

I could tell this would be the case because of our place names which we Igbos of today can't decipher. Secondly, I know for sure languages evolve. Some words are dropped entirely whilst some that never existed are added. Some pronunciations modified over ages etc etc.

Mind boggling!

If you've noticed, the whole of Anambra State is now close to speaking with one dialect

BKayy:

If you've noticed, the whole of Anambra State is now close to speaking with one dialect

It may not be at the scale you are talking of. But nonetheless as this happens many less used words from the individual dialects are gradually lost.

Igboid:


Yes. That's a post colonial Igbo word for them.

In precolonial Igbo era, they were called Olu/Oru.
Ask any old person in your village, they will confirm that for you.
Language is a living thing and is continuously evolving.
Check out how Uno/Ulo/Uyo/Oro depending on your dialect, has displaced the more ancient Igbo word for homestead "Uru/Uhu", from our daily usage.
Uhu/uru are only preserved in the names of our towns and villages. Hardly do any Igbo dialect use it in every day conversation these days.
Language evolution caught up with it.

"Uhu", "Ufu" is still very much alive in some places in Abia state, I believe.

In Old Bende, (Bende, Ohafia and Arochukwu LGAs) the word, "Ufu" features well in their everyday language..... "Ufu", home (ancestral home/father's home) is used as the opposite of "Mba" or "Uzo Ije" in some cases.

People who live permanently in the ancestral village/town are called, "Ndi Ufu" by "Ndi Uzo Ije".

Sometimes, "Ufu" is also used as the opposite of "Ama"... Ufu is where the homes/houses are located, while "Ama" is the village square.

@slayerforever... in Abia state for instance there are villages called Akoli-ufu, Okpo-ufu (Okpufu).

SlayerForever:



It may not be at the scale you are talking of. But nonetheless as this happens many less used words from the individual dialects are gradually lost.

Yes. Many words and expressions are being dropped to fit into pan Igboism. It irks purists like OdenigboAroli who gets angry that in Idemili we are now seeing children bearing names like "Chizaram" instead of "Chizalum", "Chinaemerem" instead of "Chinaemelum" etc.
He forgot that down south in Imo and Abia people are now giving their children names like Ifeanyi, Ifeoma, Ifenyinwa, instead of Iheanyi, Iheoma and Ihenyinwa.