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Did you have any travel experience?

No travel experience
One of the fellow applicants who’s been to uk and France also got denied for same reason

Keet18:
No travel experience
One of the fellow applicants who’s been to uk and France also got denied for same reason

I hope your agent didnt submitted some forces documents?

@ Keet18

From your Refusal note, Point 11 was highlighted. This point generally means the visa officer concluded that the application isn't satisfactory to him or her. Its a very common refusal point especially with no travel history on your part.

Now in my opinion, kindly request from the Engineering firm to do another letter of invitation to you in your Company name with new training dates and send same to the Embassy as well informing them that you have been invited for this training and its importance to you and your company.( Reason- clear the doubts of some Nigerian Drafted training invite)

Is the training free or Paid for? If paid, then attach evidences of Payment.

The other appliciants are they from your Company as well?

Keet18:
No travel experience
One of the fellow applicants who’s been to uk and France also got denied for same reason

wow congrat on ur safe landing

HRprof:
Landed in Paris today, no PCR test was ask my covid vaccine card were presented during boarding and at the boarder for immigration in Paris. I did the right thing not to waste my money on PCR test

the reason for your denied??
and are you a first timer

Keet18:
I got denied on the 21st of September 2021
I don’t know why I was denied

which airline did you flight with what is there POE issue like

HRprof:
Landed in Paris today, no PCR test was ask my covid vaccine card were presented during boarding and at the boarder for immigration in Paris. I did the right thing not to waste my money on PCR test

Beverlyhills:
@ Keet18

From your Refusal note, Point 11 was highlighted. This point generally means the visa officer concluded that the application isn't satisfactory to him or her. Its a very common refusal point especially with no travel history on your part.

Now in my opinion, kindly request from the Engineering firm to do another letter of invitation to you in your Company name with new training dates and send same to the Embassy as well informing them that you have been invited for this training and its importance to you and your company.( Reason- clear the doubts of some Nigerian Drafted training invite)

Is the training free or Paid for? If paid, then attach evidences of Payment.

The other appliciants are they from your Company as well?

Thanks for your kind response Beverlyhills

I paid for the invitation letter but didn’t pay for training
The goal was just to visit France
The previous invitation letter had my company’s name on it

Other applicants are from a different company

Keet18:
Should I reapply with same documents I used in previous application and add my COVID vaccine card

Covid vaccine card is inconsequential. They said "Justify your trip" - prove beyond reasonable doubt why you want to go for the training.

- Provide the invitation letter from the engineering firm clearing stating the type and manner of training that will be done, hours per day, learning points and costs if applicable (in English & French)
- Tell the firm to provide their SIREN, SIRET and/or APE number which you should submit with your application
- State where you will be staying throughout the training and if possible, show evidence of booking
- Submit your CAC docs, and explain how your company will benefit from the training and project/work you have done that relates to the training
- Ties to Nigeria : add your marriage certificate and pictures of your family
- If you have a concise version of your business plan, add it.

Like they said, Justify! or you could just apply for a normal visit visa (tourist)

@keet18

If the Goal was just to visit France, you should have just gone straight up for a tourist visa. Applying for a Tourist visa at the point would further cast doubts already in place with the first refusal. Except you are willing to give some months apart.

Kindly do a new application, have all the necessary documents attached and have the company do the needful since its a Non paid training with verifiable documents.

Keet18:


Thanks for your kind response Beverlyhills

I paid for the invitation letter but didn’t pay for training
The goal was just to visit France
The previous invitation letter had my company’s name on it

Other applicants are from a different company

davide470:
Covid vaccine card is inconsequential. They said "Justify your trip" - prove beyond reasonable doubt why you want to go for the training.

- Provide the invitation letter from the engineering firm clearing stating the type and manner of training that will be done, hours per day, learning points and costs if applicable (in English & French)
- Tell the firm to provide their SIREN, SIRET and/or APE number which you should submit with your application
- State where you will be staying throughout the training and if possible, show evidence of booking
- Submit your CAC docs, and explain how your company will benefit from the training and project/work you have done that relates to the training
- Ties to Nigeria : add your marriage certificate and pictures of your family
- If you have a concise version of your business plan, add it.

Like they said, Justify! or you could just apply for a normal visit visa (tourist)

Should I reapply for same purpose(business) and justify the purpose as stated here

Alexie89:
Yay, thank God for Journey mercies...

Please did you sign any sworn affidavit of no covid symptoms?

And please how is the weather, let's pack Accordingly, I leave next week.
Thank you � �

I didn't sign any sworn affidavit because I'm fully vacinnated don't know about those not vaccinated
Cold Weather

pufframmy:
which airline did you flight with what is there POE issue like

AirFrance, no issue on POE because I have a busines visa but the guy before me was sent to secoundry check ,I don't know the reason but before then he said he came for tourist.

Keet18:


Thanks for your kind response Beverlyhills

I paid for the invitation letter but didn’t pay for training
The goal was just to visit France
The previous invitation letter had my company’s name on it

Other applicants are from a different company

To my observations. ...... If the invitation was sent to 4 persons in different company and they apply at the same time. They might sense is not genuine and denial you people. Try and apply alone.

davide470:
Covid vaccine card is inconsequential. They said "Justify your trip" - prove beyond reasonable doubt why you want to go for the training.

- Provide the invitation letter from the engineering firm clearing stating the type and manner of training that will be done, hours per day, learning points and costs if applicable (in English & French)
- Tell the firm to provide their SIREN, SIRET and/or APE number which you should submit with your application
- State where you will be staying throughout the training and if possible, show evidence of booking
- Submit your CAC docs, and explain how your company will benefit from the training and project/work you have done that relates to the training
- Ties to Nigeria : add your marriage certificate and pictures of your family
- If you have a concise version of your business plan, add it.

Like they said, Justify! or you could just apply for a normal visit visa (tourist)

The SIRET is on the invitation letter

Keet18:


Thanks for your kind response Beverlyhills

I paid for the invitation letter but didn’t pay for training
The goal was just to visit France
The previous invitation letter had my company’s name on it

Other applicants are from a different company

Is it agent that arrange the invitation for you? You can't pay for invitation letter, invitation letter should be given to you when you pay for the training if its genuine

HRprof:

Is it agent that arrange the invitation for you? You can't pay for invitation letter, invitation letter should be given to you when you pay for the training if its genuine

He got the invitation for us
I paid for it
He buys stuff from the company and has visited the company severally
He once used the invitation letter to get visa for one of the recent denied applicant last year (he applied alone though)

Keet18:


He got the invitation for us
I paid for it
He buys stuff from the company and has visited the company severally
He once used the invitation letter to get visa for one of the recent denied applicant last year (he applied alone though)

Never use agent for visa. I learn to package my visa by myself here and i got it right,

Good day, I have a question. I intend to visit France for 2 weeks as I do not have any traveling experience since all the while, I have my private business where all the document are valid and I have been paying kind of bonuses from my company account to my personal account. What is the best or purpose that is best that will give me high chance of getting visa granted, what your advice on this. Purpose of traveling? I applied in 2015 but was denied Because I couldn’t justify the purpose for traveling. How can I package my application on my PURPOSE

I saw this on stackexchange and thought it could be useful to this discussion about justification of purpose of travelling

When you see "Justification for the purpose and conditions of the intended stay was not provided" on a Schengen refusal, it usually means that they decided that the application was either 'incoherent', or not credible, or both.

Incoherence
Coherence has a special meaning in the Schengen vocabulary; it means clear, sensible, consistent, and most importantly, understandable. An 'incoherent' application lacks these qualities. Coherent applications will generally succeed; incoherent applications will not. Some examples of incoherence are given in the handbook...

- an applicant claims to travel to an industrial area, staying in a cheap hotel, for the purpose of tourism;
- an applicant claims to visit a professional event at dates that do not correspond to the actual dates of the event;
- an applicant claims that the purpose of the trip is to visit a friend, but it turns out that the person concerned is absent during that period;
- a trader in jewellery claims to have been invited to attend a medical conference.
While these examples may not correspond to your situation, they have a common thread where the application was not consistent with the applicant's job, status, or apparent life-style.

Premise
Incoherence also includes applications that did not successfully establish a premise for the visit. Commonly, there is no apparent connection between the applicant's itinerary and his career, apparent life-style, or financial capacity. Some examples of this are...

- an applicant expresses interest in an event or geographic area for which there are no signs of previous interest;
- an applicant presents a letter of invitation from a sponsor whose relationship with the applicant is unclear or distant;
- an applicant is continually sponsored by the same person where there is no apparent justification for visiting that person;
- an applicant cannot establish why a visit is contemplated at this particular time.

Credibility
An applicant's credibility can also result in a refusal reason of "Justification for the purpose and conditions of the intended stay was not provided".

Some examples of credibility problems are...

- The applicant has an existing support network of friends or family that would easily enable them to break the rules;
- A disproportionate amount of income is being spent for the visit;
- The applicant has changed stories over the course of several interactions with Schengen officials and their credibility has been damaged;
- The decision-maker cannot determine if the funds really belong to the applicant;
- The decision-maker cannot determine if the funds were obtained legally;
- The applicant has a history of prior refusals and there is no visible change in circumstances;
- The applicant's submission contains gaps or evidential shortfalls that cannot be explained;
- The applicant is going to a location where previous visa holders have entered breach;
- The sponsor has a dubious status, or has sponsored people who have entered breach;
- The sponsor attempts to attest to things that are beyond his control (like guaranteeing that the person will not overstay).

Beverlyhills:
@keet18

If the Goal was just to visit France, you should have just gone straight up for a tourist visa. Applying for a Tourist visa at the point would further cast doubts already in place with the first refusal. Except you are willing to give some months apart.

Kindly do a new application, have all the necessary documents attached and have the company do the needful since its a Non paid training with verifiable documents.

Hey well done on your contributions here. You re doing so well. Thank you.

I'm planning a birthday getaway with some friends for next month.

Majority are first timers. But comfortably working, earning good monies, single and will surely come back.

How do you think is the best way to arrange our application pls.

An agent said we should each register a program according to our field of work and use it as a reason.

But me on the other hand is asking why can't we just apply normal as a group knowing no one in Europe just on a trip.

I'm confused.

By the way, Spain or France which should we do. Any is OK for us.

Good afternoon nairalander, can a Nigeria graduate student from south korea apply for tourist visa in korea on purpose of christmas holiday to france?

Ok. Thank you, very much appreciated

HRprof:


I didn't sign any sworn affidavit because I'm fully vacinnated don't know about those not vaccinated
Cold Weather

If you are fully vaccinated, I would advice you should just apply as a tourist, simple as that, no need to complicate your application. If you have all your required documents, just write a very convincing cover letter stating your reason including as a way of celebrating your birthday and enjoying the tourist attractions n French culture... make sure you get a Letter headed letter of introduction for your work place, leave letter that should say when you are on and off work, as in when you are expected to be back at work. Just show them you work. And ties you have here in nigeria.
If you follow this platform, you can package this very well on your own, I know it helped me n I was successful with mine.

For options, for someone who has been to spain, Spain is a beautiful place �, this is my first time going to France but I hear its amazing, but if you have enough finance, u can do both, as schengen visa can take you to both places as along as you arrive at your primary place of application first.
Happy birthday in advance �

Priceless200:


Hey well done on your contributions here. You re doing so well. Thank you.

I'm planning a birthday getaway with some friends for next month.

Majority are first timers. But comfortably working, earning good monies, single and will surely come back.

How do you think is the best way to arrange our application pls.

An agent said we should each register a program according to our field of work and use it as a reason.

But me on the other hand is asking why can't we just apply normal as a group knowing no one in Europe just on a trip.

I'm confused.

By the way, Spain or France which should we do. Any is OK for us.

saipn:
Good afternoon nairalander, can a Nigeria graduate student from south korea apply for tourist visa in korea on purpose of christmas holiday to france?

yes.... where are you in S. Korea,

Leleky:
yes.... where are you in S. Korea,

Daegu, will 10k dollars which is 12 million won be enough for bank statement?

Thanks to you all
I’m so grateful and happy to have you guys

Should I reapply for same training or apply as a tourist with my wife

The goal is to use this my passport before the end of the year

Keet18:
Thanks to you all
I’m so grateful and happy to have you guys

Should I reapply for same training or apply as a tourist with my wife

The goal is to use this my passport before the end of the year

No African country tho

saipn:
Daegu, will 10k dollars which is 12 million won be enough for bank statement?

How is 10k dollars 12 million?

I need your help guys
I don really suffer for visa since 2018
Uk 10 years ban cause of agent
US 2019 denied
South Africa 2018 denied twice
Now it’s France this year

I really need you guys input and guide
Whatever way you can help
I’d really appreciate

I just applied for passport for my 3months old baby

Got two businesses registered under CAC
Doing a legal work here in naija
Good cash flow in all bank statements
I’m definitely returning back
I’m doing well here in Nigeria