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Re: NDONI PEOPLE IN RIVERS STATE ARE IGBOS. LISTEN FROM THE HORSES MOUTH. by Ekealterego: 9:06pm On Oct 10, 2021
ChinenyeN:


This is actually one of the few things that shocked me and I had to look into it. “Uhu” in place names is rather uncommon for the area. In short, from what I gathered, it’s really predominantly eastern Ndoki that have “uhu” prevalently in place names. For the rest of the area, “uhu” is known as a word, though “ulo/uro” is more commonly used.
What is the relationship between Ngwa and Ndoki like today?
Re: NDONI PEOPLE IN RIVERS STATE ARE IGBOS. LISTEN FROM THE HORSES MOUTH. by CBNwords(m): 9:07pm On Oct 10, 2021
Nwanyiogwashi:

Sire

Ada .. I've been knocking on your mails since but you dey waka pass me cry
Re: NDONI PEOPLE IN RIVERS STATE ARE IGBOS. LISTEN FROM THE HORSES MOUTH. by Igboid: 9:31pm On Oct 10, 2021
ChinenyeN:


This is actually one of the few things that shocked me and I had to look into it. “Uhu” in place names is rather uncommon for the area. In short, from what I gathered, it’s really predominantly eastern Ndoki that have “uhu” prevalently in place names. For the rest of the area, “uhu” is known as a word, though “ulo/uro” is more commonly used.

So Uhu jumped Ngwaland and appeared in far away Ndokiland.
Wonderful!
Re: NDONI PEOPLE IN RIVERS STATE ARE IGBOS. LISTEN FROM THE HORSES MOUTH. by SlayerForever: 9:37pm On Oct 10, 2021
Igboid:


So Uhu jumped Ngwaland and appeared in far away Ndokiland.
Wonderful!


Lol.
Re: NDONI PEOPLE IN RIVERS STATE ARE IGBOS. LISTEN FROM THE HORSES MOUTH. by ChinenyeN(m): 9:42pm On Oct 10, 2021
Igboid:
So Uhu jumped Ngwaland and appeared in far away Ndokiland.
Wonderful!

That’s not what I said.
Re: NDONI PEOPLE IN RIVERS STATE ARE IGBOS. LISTEN FROM THE HORSES MOUTH. by Igboid: 9:44pm On Oct 10, 2021
ChinenyeN:


That’s not what I said.

Clarify then.
Re: NDONI PEOPLE IN RIVERS STATE ARE IGBOS. LISTEN FROM THE HORSES MOUTH. by ChinenyeN(m): 10:00pm On Oct 10, 2021
Ekealterego:
What is the relationship between Ngwa and Ndoki like today?

That depends on who you ask. I’d say the relationship is mostly the same as it was in pre-colonial times. Nationalism in Nigeria just adds a new political dimension to it all. So there’s more political tension, but the day to day social dynamic is largely the same. Same old Nigerian story for most communities.
Re: NDONI PEOPLE IN RIVERS STATE ARE IGBOS. LISTEN FROM THE HORSES MOUTH. by ChinenyeN(m): 10:03pm On Oct 10, 2021
Igboid:
Clarify then.

You really just want me to repeat myself? “Uhu” does not show up commonly as a placename. In other words, it can be seen in some Ngwa village names sparingly, but not as commonly as eastern Ndoki who use it more. The statement can’t get any simpler than that. But if it makes it easier for you, just go look up the village placenames online and see for yourself.

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Re: NDONI PEOPLE IN RIVERS STATE ARE IGBOS. LISTEN FROM THE HORSES MOUTH. by melodyogonna(m): 10:09pm On Oct 10, 2021
Sufferingboy:
Ndoni is one of Ndokwa clan that was carved into river state.

Igbos nor dey shame? You dey drag who nor drag you.
I'm not sure I have ever seen you make any sensible input on threads like this. You only pop up to drop senseless takes that has no bearing on the discourse, and you pop up a lot

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Re: NDONI PEOPLE IN RIVERS STATE ARE IGBOS. LISTEN FROM THE HORSES MOUTH. by Rodwave: 11:46pm On Oct 10, 2021
Igboid:


I'm looking at "Ipu". Like: mkpuru osisi na-epu.
To sprout/germinate/grow.


I'm interested in what they call it over there.

Yes I Know about the A to E switch.
They have it in most Enugu dialects to.

Abuo is ebuo/ebuno in Nkanu(Enugu dialect)
Ato is Eto

Efele (plate) is "Afere" in Nkanu
Efe (Cloth ) is "Afe" in Nkanu
Aka( hand) is Eka.
Akwu( Palm fruit) is Ekwu

Many Igbo dialects have that A to E and vice versa switch.

I know that in Bende area, they have this Gwe to Gwo switch.

For example "Igwe" is actually pronounced as "Igwo" by some Bende clans,but for sake of pan Igboism, they will still spell it as "Igwe".

At the bolded. It is also called 'ighu'. Like ighu nne (to bear fruit) or ighu ome (to sprout) anambra central.

What you guys are speaking here is modern (urban) Igbo Language grin grin. The real Igbo dialects are still being used in various Igbo villages.
Re: NDONI PEOPLE IN RIVERS STATE ARE IGBOS. LISTEN FROM THE HORSES MOUTH. by MrTalker: 11:03pm On Oct 11, 2021
Nwanyiogwashi:

Sire

My Ogwashi lady that left us in the other thread, you still haven't answered this my guy, please I beg you to do.
Re: NDONI PEOPLE IN RIVERS STATE ARE IGBOS. LISTEN FROM THE HORSES MOUTH. by isokomarine: 10:13am On Oct 15, 2021
Nwanyiogwashi:

She knows what she's doing that is Isoko behavior and my own is to tell her the truth.
No Isoko land in ndokwa east.
when will you stop fooling your self
Re: NDONI PEOPLE IN RIVERS STATE ARE IGBOS. LISTEN FROM THE HORSES MOUTH. by isokomarine: 10:17am On Oct 15, 2021
Nwanyiogwashi:
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Any Isoko you see in ndokwa east is settler that come for business ,no Isoko village in ndokwa east get that into your head.
continuing deceiving your self
Re: NDONI PEOPLE IN RIVERS STATE ARE IGBOS. LISTEN FROM THE HORSES MOUTH. by Nwanyiogwashi(f): 10:57am On Oct 15, 2021
isokomarine:
continuing deceiving your self
Minority Isoko is too small
Re: NDONI PEOPLE IN RIVERS STATE ARE IGBOS. LISTEN FROM THE HORSES MOUTH. by Nobody: 11:49am On Oct 15, 2021
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Re: NDONI PEOPLE IN RIVERS STATE ARE IGBOS. LISTEN FROM THE HORSES MOUTH. by Cjrane2: 1:03pm On Oct 15, 2021
Nwanyiogwashi:
This is not news ,we the people of ogwashi ukwu kingdom in Delta north are Igbo

GBAM!

I frequently get very angry when Igbos in Rivers State try to act as though their identity crisis issue is as severe as Anioma people. No! We, the Anioma people know WE ARE IGBOS! Of course some communities at the fringes of Ika land such as Agbor have some Bini kingdom influences. But they know who they truly are.

Anioma people paid the single biggest price of anti-Igbo genocide in Asaba during the Biafran war. Despite the fact that Asaba was not even included in Biafran territory! Anioma's sons were some of the finest and fiercest Biafran army warriors.


Again, those who want to deny their identity are free to do so. However, even the Fulani man from far away Daura isn't fooled by your denials. They know EXACTLY WHO YOU ARE! Remember when Buhari was asked why he didn't include Igbos in his cabinet and he asked "what tribe is Godwin Emefiele from?" I am sure that Godwin Emefiele himself will say he isn't Igbo. Yet, his Oga that appointed him knew very well he had appointed an Igboman as his CBN governor!

In many Anioma families, the issue today is how to retrace and integrate with our kith & kin. I rarely see Anioma people today who deny their ancestry and tribe. From Pat Utomi to Asagba of Asaba to Ngozi Okonjo Iweala and too many others!
I only see that existing today among some "Rivers" Igbos. Perhaps their manipulation by Ijaws and fear of them could be responsible.

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Re: NDONI PEOPLE IN RIVERS STATE ARE IGBOS. LISTEN FROM THE HORSES MOUTH. by Nobody: 3:30pm On Oct 20, 2021
@ChinenyeN kudos..
Re: NDONI PEOPLE IN RIVERS STATE ARE IGBOS. LISTEN FROM THE HORSES MOUTH. by Nobody: 3:31pm On Oct 20, 2021
[quote author=Ekealterego post=106625754]
Wow
Re: NDONI PEOPLE IN RIVERS STATE ARE IGBOS. LISTEN FROM THE HORSES MOUTH. by ekesol: 4:49pm On Oct 20, 2021
Sufferingboy:
Ndoni is one of Ndokwa clan that was carved into river state.

Igbos nor dey shame? You dey drag who nor drag you.
.

Here yourself. Ndokwa na Yoruba land or na ijaw land? Anumpam

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Re: NDONI PEOPLE IN RIVERS STATE ARE IGBOS. LISTEN FROM THE HORSES MOUTH. by Nobody: 12:25am On Oct 21, 2021
Igboid:


So Uhu jumped Ngwaland and appeared in far away Ndokiland.
Wonderful!

Mmm anyway I'm from Nvosi...and in my village Uhu means EZI (Outside) ie Umuhu will mean Umuezi ....
It likely used for people born out of wedluck ..
It's also used for the congregation of various unrelated people who united together to form what becomes a VILLAGE.. cool 0)
Re: NDONI PEOPLE IN RIVERS STATE ARE IGBOS. LISTEN FROM THE HORSES MOUTH. by Nobody: 12:28am On Oct 21, 2021
ChinenyeN:


You really just want me to repeat myself? “Uhu” does not show up commonly as a placename. In other words, it can be seen in some Ngwa village names sparingly, but not as commonly as eastern Ndoki who use it more. The statement can’t get any simpler than that. But if it makes it easier for you, just go look up the village placenames online and see for yourself.

From my own understanding ..(according to Nvosi version) UHU is the ancient Ngwa word for EZI (outside) .. it mostly use as an idiomatic expression..
Re: NDONI PEOPLE IN RIVERS STATE ARE IGBOS. LISTEN FROM THE HORSES MOUTH. by ChinenyeN(m): 3:58am On Oct 22, 2021
ImembaN:
From my own understanding ..(according to Nvosi version) UHU is the ancient Ngwa word for EZI (outside) .. it mostly use as an idiomatic expression..

We share a similar understanding in my area as well (Akuma Imo). We either call it “uhu” or “uhwu”. Some people say that it was replaced by the term “ezi”. Some say it was replaced by the term “ulo”, but I after studying Ngwa and Igbo etymology we, I have a different suspicion.

Before we started building “onu ovu”, it used to be that the ancestral homestead was also a sort of farmland/garden. I think this combination of “home” + “farm” is what “uhwu” actually referred to.

With the advent of “onu ovu”, the “ulo” (various residential building structures within the ”onu ovu”) and “ezi” (the area in and around the “onu ovu”) replaced the idea of “uhwu”. That’s why I think some people associate “uhwu” with “ezi”, while some also separately associate “uhwu” with “ulo”.

We hardly use the word anymore in my area. It’s one of those words that will probably be forgotten in another generation or two.

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Re: NDONI PEOPLE IN RIVERS STATE ARE IGBOS. LISTEN FROM THE HORSES MOUTH. by SlayerForever: 6:14am On Oct 22, 2021
kmcutez:
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How has Igbo life been so far?
Re: NDONI PEOPLE IN RIVERS STATE ARE IGBOS. LISTEN FROM THE HORSES MOUTH. by Nobody: 6:31am On Oct 22, 2021
Igboid:


Ok. I understand better now.

True.

There is a Town in Abia North at the boundary between Abia and Akwa-Cross River. The town is named Nkporo. Nkporo means Buffalo in Ibibio language.
The people were given the name by their Ibibio neighbors because they had many fights with their Ibibio neighbors when they first settled there and the Ibibios remarked that they fought like Bufallos hence gave them the name.
The people had since retained the name as their town name, even though the name is Ibibio and the people are Igbos.

By the way, are you from Ika?

What is Akwa-Cross River
Re: NDONI PEOPLE IN RIVERS STATE ARE IGBOS. LISTEN FROM THE HORSES MOUTH. by Igboid: 11:54am On Oct 22, 2021
ImembaN:


Mmm anyway I'm from Nvosi...and in my village Uhu means EZI (Outside) ie Umuhu will mean Umuezi ....
It likely used for people born out of wedluck ..
It's also used for the congregation of various unrelated people who united together to form what becomes a VILLAGE.. cool 0)

I see.
Interesting contribution.
Thanks for this.

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Re: NDONI PEOPLE IN RIVERS STATE ARE IGBOS. LISTEN FROM THE HORSES MOUTH. by Igboid: 11:55am On Oct 22, 2021
ChinenyeN:


We share a similar understanding in my area as well (Akuma Imo). We either call it “uhu” or “uhwu”. Some people say that it was replaced by the term “ezi”. Some say it was replaced by the term “ulo”, but I after studying Ngwa and Igbo etymology we, I have a different suspicion.

Before we started building “onu ovu”, it used to be that the ancestral homestead was also a sort of farmland/garden. I think this combination of “home” + “farm” is what “uhwu” actually referred to.

With the advent of “onu ovu”, the “ulo” (various residential building structures within the ”onu ovu”) and “ezi” (the area in and around the “onu ovu”) replaced the idea of “uhwu”. That’s why I think some people associate “uhwu” with “ezi”, while some also separately associate “uhwu” with “ulo”.

We hardly use the word anymore in my area. It’s one of those words that will probably be forgotten in another generation or two.

This is very detailed.
Thanks ChinenyeN.
Let's do our best to make sure we keep words like "uhwu" alive and relevant beyond our current generation.
Re: NDONI PEOPLE IN RIVERS STATE ARE IGBOS. LISTEN FROM THE HORSES MOUTH. by Igboid: 12:07pm On Oct 22, 2021
Kabongo1:


What is Akwa-Cross River

Akwaibom and Cross River states.
Basically Ibibio-Annang-Oron-Efik people
Re: NDONI PEOPLE IN RIVERS STATE ARE IGBOS. LISTEN FROM THE HORSES MOUTH. by OreMI22: 12:15pm On Oct 22, 2021
DeadCountry:
WHERE ARE THE WE NIGER DELTA CREW?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ku65On_OpXs

LISTEN FOR YOURSELVES FROM THE HORSES MOUTH.

It's a lie, they are Ijaws! Any community near any river, ocean, stream or creek is definitely an Ijaw clan.

Even people in Eket, Uyo, Bonny, Opobo, to as far away as Idah, Oron, Ogwashi ukwu, Abraka,Warri, Koko, PH and Ikot Abasi cannot deny that they are Ijaw clans! Their elders just don't know it, but Ijaw miscreants know they are Ijaw clans! grin

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Re: NDONI PEOPLE IN RIVERS STATE ARE IGBOS. LISTEN FROM THE HORSES MOUTH. by Idiko1: 12:19pm On Oct 22, 2021
DeadCountry:


Did you know that [b]Igboland in Rivers state, Bayelsa state, Imo state, Abia state, Anambra state, Ebonyi state, Enugu state, Akwa Ibom state, Cross Rivers state, Benue state and Kogi state harbors the largest oil gas deposit in th world?[/b]

I do know it has great crude oi and gas deposit which has been source of envy towards Ndigbo.

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Re: NDONI PEOPLE IN RIVERS STATE ARE IGBOS. LISTEN FROM THE HORSES MOUTH. by Nobody: 8:00am On Oct 27, 2021
ChinenyeN
what your opinion on IPOB..
should Ngwa advocate for a separate state (ABA state)..
Re: NDONI PEOPLE IN RIVERS STATE ARE IGBOS. LISTEN FROM THE HORSES MOUTH. by ChinenyeN(m): 1:55am On Oct 30, 2021
ImembaN:
ChinenyeN
what your opinion on IPOB..
should Ngwa advocate for a separate state (ABA state)..

So there are two parts to this question. IPOB and Aba State. I'll respond to them separately.

I am of the opinion that IPOB is an organization that lacks foresight. I am also of the opinion that IPOB also lacks any real influence. The recent events that I've heard of during the stay-at-home order only shows that IPOB strength is coming more from fear-mongering than being an actual force for change. The only population IPOB is hurting in the process are the very same people it claims to want to protect and defend.

As for advocating for Aba State, truly, I don't think it matters. Whether it is Abia or Aba, Nigeria or Biafra, there is a certain limitation that cannot yet be broken. That limitation is the negative feedback loop that exists between governance and those being governed.

Nigeria's situation has shown that governance breeds people who are discontent and want to step in to change things, only to yet again contribute to bad governance, which then breeds people who are discontent and want to step in... You get my point. It is an unending loop.

This loop exists because Nigeria keeps its citizens uninformed, provides almost no transparency about the political process and engages in fear tactics and to maintain the status quo. This failure of a condition has not yet been solved and it will not be solved just because new state boundaries are created.

As much as I am an advocate for self-determination and self-sufficiency, I have little to no reason to believe that it will change anything. But, if substantive change is not a primary concern and if this is simply a matter of self-determination, self-identity and pride, then sure. After all, state creation in Nigeria has really become just a matter of self-determination and nothing more. So if that's the case, I don't see any reason why Ngwa shouldn't freely advocate for Aba if it's equivalent to advocating for self-determination.

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Re: NDONI PEOPLE IN RIVERS STATE ARE IGBOS. LISTEN FROM THE HORSES MOUTH. by Nobody: 9:38am On Oct 30, 2021
ChinenyeN:


So there are two parts to this question. IPOB and Aba State. I'll respond to them separately.

I am of the opinion that IPOB is an organization that lacks foresight. I am also of the opinion that IPOB also lacks any real influence. The recent events that I've heard of during the stay-at-home order only shows that IPOB strength is coming more from fear-mongering than being an actual force for change. The only population IPOB is hurting in the process are the very same people it claims to want to protect and defend.

As for advocating for Aba State, truly, I don't think it matters. Whether it is Abia or Aba, Nigeria or Biafra, there is a certain limitation that cannot yet be broken. That limitation is the negative feedback loop that exists between governance and those being governed.

Nigeria's situation has shown that governance breeds people who are discontent and want to step in to change things, only to yet again contribute to bad governance, which then breeds people who are discontent and want to step in... You get my point. It is an unending loop.

This loop exists because Nigeria keeps its citizens uninformed, provides almost no transparency about the political process and engages in fear tactics and to maintain the status quo. This failure of a condition has not yet been solved and it will not be solved just because new state boundaries are created.

As much as I am an advocate for self-determination and self-sufficiency, I have little to no reason to believe that it will change anything. But, if substantive change is not a primary concern and if this is simply a matter of self-determination, self-identity and pride, then sure. After all, state creation in Nigeria has really become just a matter of self-determination and nothing more. So if that's the case, I don't see any reason why Ngwa shouldn't freely advocate for Aba if it's equivalent to advocating for self-determination.

Ok..

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