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Re: Do People Still Believe In One Nigeria by AlexBells(m): 6:37pm On Oct 11, 2021
Abohboy:


Terrorism in the north is largely due to unemployment and lack of education make everybody literate to some degree whether english or arabic and make sure to invest heavily in agriculture, mining and manufacturing and the north should run terrorism out of its system in 10 years or less
If you believe in all the things you say and you believe we got a chance why not let's join together you said you are Igbo from the Anioma stock or you just Easterner join me let's build a new approach using Igbo province for a start we can send our people to Some of these Islamic countries to learn Arabic education

They could educate the North in the literature of their choice, even if we have to fight again we need allies, let's work for solution if it fail everyone part, if Nigeria survives fine, it doesn't then our solutions could be adopted in Biafra or Igbo Province as a defector of Igbo Republic should Nigeria fail
Re: Do People Still Believe In One Nigeria by Igboid: 6:42pm On Oct 11, 2021
AlexBells:

I support Arabic education for the North or something like that but they need our support not the Awolowo style when you realise he just want to launch a literacy warfare against the Caliphate/Fulanis

Education is great but if the intention is not genuine then it must be rejected, there is no way I personally will support a system of education that I know would destabilise the North, Awolowo's intention was covered in dangerous emancipation, which even the British did not instigate against the North

The Igbos and the North would always be better at respecting each other's space, if Nzeogwu did not lead the coup, I know that we could have been dealing with Northern terrorism from time to time

But it could have stayed in the North and once the Military could have stopped the terrorism if the system was not destroyed to this nepotistic one we have today the Igbos could have constituted the majority of the Military elite squad as it was

Nigeria's problem is quite simple but deeper than ordinary politicking can solve it first understanding our differences it is not even too late to stop the terrorism in the North,
Same country, different lingua Franca. Arabic for the North and English for the rest? Two irreconcilable civilizations, the Arabic-Islamic and Western Judeo-christian, coexisting in same country with Islamists accepting equality with infidels and not attempt to hoard power?
Someone is living in Fantasyland again. Can you give me just one example of a country in the whole world where this particular arrangement exists with peace and prosperity?!Just one

Lol!
Even your submission above has only proved why NIGERIA should not exist.

Islam does not allow infidels rulling children of Allah.
Before Nzeogwu stupid coup, Balewa and Saraduna were already raising Adaka Boro and his Ijaw boys with weapons to distabilize the East like they did to the West with Akintola and his supporters.
Zik would have ultimately ended up in Prison like Awolowo, it was only a matter of when and not if!

You lots are funny, someone even suggested that Awolowo trying to bring Western education to northern masses was a wrong move. Ihukwanum eshishi! Atajukwe, si buye unu!

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Re: Do People Still Believe In One Nigeria by AlexBells(m): 6:48pm On Oct 11, 2021
Igboid:

Same country, different lingua Franca. Arabic for the North and English for the rest?

Lol!
Even your submission above has only proved why NIGERIA should not exist.

Islam does not allow infidels rulling children of Allah.
Before Nzeogwu stupid coup, Balewa and Saraduna were already raising Adaka Boro and his Ijaw boys with weapons to distabilize the East like they did to the West with Akintola and his supporters.
Zik would have ultimately ended up in Prison like Awolowo, it was only a matter of when and not if!

You lots are funny, someone even suggested that Awolowo trying to bring Western education to northern masses was a wrong move. Ihukwanum eshishi! Atajukwe, si buye unu!
I was the one that said Awo taking western education to the North was an attack on the caliphate, They wanted to Arrest Zik lol, I don't blame the North for seeming too powerful it is people like you that gives them so much imaginary power,

Stop your assumptions, let it come we are waiting in readiness, to send them back to Futa Jalon with the water of baptism

Who are they, people that was too down to rise when Nzeogwu struck, let's just forget this argument, you can chose to be a caward but like Zik I would always tell the caliphate that the East and indeed the Igbos had never been subjugated and unless they want to loose their throne they should count their blessings the Igbos are not like the Hausas and an Emir crown can look good on an Igbo

Having said that, the North would get education either by peace or by force, we would start from capturing their terrorists and forcefully educating them
Re: Do People Still Believe In One Nigeria by Idiko1: 7:04pm On Oct 11, 2021
AlexBells:

I'm not against the war, I'm happy that it happened but we must get the fact that the war happened becuase of the injustice, the killings and again Gowon hijacking the center but Gowon is no longer there, we have our own weapons so why can't stand up to any enemy without declaring a new country, Biafra means running lets fight until Nigeria Nigeria becomes a failed state if it what they want then everyone goes home, I'm very happy that the war happened to us Igbos becuase at the end of the day we own Nigeria and we shall deal with anyone who tries to break it it in the future

You seem to eat your cake and have it. You claimed Biafra did not have the weapon in previous posts and now in the above, you wrote Biafra had weapon therefore should have stood up without a war. I guess you remembered when I wrote Mberekede ka eji ama dike. The Biafra did not think Nigeria will declare a war against it. However Nigeria did declare war and Biafra had to fight. My grandfather told me if a person comes to my house to fight me even though I could not beat the person, I should, at least, cough on the person's face.

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Re: Do People Still Believe In One Nigeria by Abohboy: 7:06pm On Oct 11, 2021
DMerciful:
But we don't have similar aspirations as the core North. From middlebelt to South, similar but core North are very different. Can't work!

It can work education and job creation is the key
Re: Do People Still Believe In One Nigeria by Abohboy: 7:07pm On Oct 11, 2021
Igboid:

Same country, different lingua Franca. Arabic for the North and English for the rest? Two irreconcilable civilizations, the Arabic-Islamic and Western Judeo-christian, coexisting in same country with Islamists accepting equality with infidels and not attempt to hoard power?
Someone is living in Fantasyland again. Can you give me just one example of a country in the whole world where this particular arrangement exists with peace and prosperity?!Just one

Lol!
Even your submission above has only proved why NIGERIA should not exist.

Islam does not allow infidels rulling children of Allah.
Before Nzeogwu stupid coup, Balewa and Saraduna were already raising Adaka Boro and his Ijaw boys with weapons to distabilize the East like they did to the West with Akintola and his supporters.
Zik would have ultimately ended up in Prison like Awolowo, it was only a matter of when and not if!

You lots are funny, someone even suggested that Awolowo trying to bring Western education to northern masses was a wrong move. Ihukwanum eshishi! Atajukwe, si buye unu!

He was the one that suggested it in my opinion western education should be applied to all but for him Arabic education in the north and western education in the south that will only further divide us a firm stance needs to be made on western education for all
Re: Do People Still Believe In One Nigeria by Igboid: 7:07pm On Oct 11, 2021
AlexBells:

I was the one that said Awo taking western education to the North was an attack on the caliphate, They wanted to Arrest Zik lol, I don't blame the North for seeming too powerful it is people like you that gives them so much imaginary power,

Stop your assumptions, let it come we are waiting in readiness, to send them back to Futa Jalon with the water of baptism

Who are they, people that was too down to rise when Nzeogwu struck, let's just forget this argument, you can chose to be a caward but like Zik I would always tell the caliphate that the East and indeed the Igbos had never been subjugated and unless they want to loose their throne they should count their blessings the Igbos are not like the Hausas and an Emir crown can look good on an Igbo

Having said that, the North would get education either by peace or by force, we would start from capturing their terrorists and forcefully educating them

You are not reasoning well.
You want to be in a country with a people you will eternally be dragging for power with. Wasting precious time that would have been spent on development and industrialization on power intrigues.
Are you listening to yourself?

No one is making North larger than they are. The fact is that the Islamic ideology of the North does not support infidels rulling the children of Allah, so whenever this happens, there will serious revolt like in the North like we saw in GEJ, derailing the Government.

Zik was a chicken, a coward. He was found guilty of using Eastern region funds to run party politics, so the British used it to blackmail him into either accepting to play second fiddle to their beloved North or go to jail.
We all know how the so called Zik of Africa became a powerless ceremonial president to a barely educated Balewa just to save his own skin.
Its the same Zik that some of you want to paint as someone more powerful? I laugh.

Zik is a shortsighted fellow. I don't blame him too much though for lacking foresight, there was no antecedents for him to learn from.
But I get irritated when I see adults like you who have seen the mistakes of Zik in opting for a United NIGERIA and yet voluntarily choose same path.
It is madness.

Zik lost out big time to the North.
He was beaten blue black from the word go when he was relegated to a mere figure head president.
And then was given a knock out punch after the much disputed 1963 Census result.


The only lesson to be learned from Zik misadventures in Nigeria politics and experience with the North is how to play second fiddle to the North( This is an area Zik know we'll which I want us to copy for 2023 to unseat the Yorubas who think they are wiser than they are) . And also why Ndiigbo must find a way to pull out from this shithole.

Imagine someone once asked me why do I think Zik built UNN In Nsukka.
I told him it's because of the serene environment. The guy laughed an evil laughter, after which he said: Is Nsukka a Northern Igbo land that is almost a Savannah region more serene than deeply rainforested Central and Southern Igbo with lush vegetations and much more abundant rainfall?
After which he went on to tell me that Zik wanted the University to be as close to the North as possible,and that was the single factor why he picked Nsukka.

I was dumbfounded. But the more I reexamine Zik life, the more it makes sense.

Zik is not an example we should emulate in Igboland. He is more like an "Ozoemena" as far as politics in Igboland is concerned in wider Nigerian context.
I only appreciate his role in improving Western education literacy in Igboland. And for finding a rare gem like Okpara Michael. Those are his only two legacies in Igboland that he would be remembered for when Republic of Igboland stands in the community of Nations in UN.

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Re: Do People Still Believe In One Nigeria by AlexBells(m): 7:08pm On Oct 11, 2021
Igboid:

Same country, different lingua Franca. Arabic for the North and English for the rest? Two irreconcilable civilizations, the Arabic-Islamic and Western Judeo-christian, coexisting in same country with Islamists accepting equality with infidels and not attempt to hoard power?
Someone is living in Fantasyland again. Can you give me just one example of a country in the whole world where this particular arrangement exists with peace and prosperity?!Just one

Lol!
Even your submission above has only proved why NIGERIA should not exist.

Islam does not allow infidels rulling children of Allah.
Before Nzeogwu stupid coup, Balewa and Saraduna were already raising Adaka Boro and his Ijaw boys with weapons to distabilize the East like they did to the West with Akintola and his supporters.
Zik would have ultimately ended up in Prison like Awolowo, it was only a matter of when and not if!

You lots are funny, someone even suggested that Awolowo trying to bring Western education to northern masses was a wrong move. Ihukwanum eshishi! Atajukwe, si buye unu!
Sometimes I get really tired of the ways you people approach issue, you are just focused that once we divide every problem is solved, Canada is an example of one country with two official languages of English and French,

Let me tell you one thing anyone that can't fix Nigeria can't Fix Biafra, Igbo Republic might be a lite different But Biafra is the one trending now it's almost the same problem and Biafra would end up having two official labguage of Igbo and English

We have to find solutions stop focusing all your arguments in destroying Nigeria or thinking Nigeria can't work, it is not that I love Nigeria more than Biafra but solution is solution
Re: Do People Still Believe In One Nigeria by Idiko1: 7:11pm On Oct 11, 2021
Abohboy:


What are you talking about look at Michael Okpara what exactly was happening to his Eastern Region that was so bad? The federal government worked with him to set up a federal mortgate scheme so if they worked with him to set up schemes that benefitted him and his people how exactly woudl the Eastern Region be worse for it?

Infact I suspect that had Nigeria continued he would have become premier at some point after Azikiwe or Awolowo

Do you actually belong to this discuss?
Re: Do People Still Believe In One Nigeria by tandy2013: 7:12pm On Oct 11, 2021
Conduct referendum especially in the South 85% of Southern Nigeria ll vote yes to leave Nigeria because the true meaning of Nigeria has been exposed to Nigeria . Nigeria is a property of Britain and fulanis only break up ll change the statusquo

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Re: Do People Still Believe In One Nigeria by Idiko1: 7:13pm On Oct 11, 2021
Abohboy:


My view is the people will stand up and take a stance very soon maybe not 2023 but still 2027

The fraudulent voting process would once again be solved if the people took a stance you think one man can defeat a 100 angry people trying to get their votes registered?

They bring in gun men? We bring in our own if ESN can get guns so can we the people and we will fight back

My view is that the whole structure of Nigeria will be destroyed very soon not the nation itself but the whole form of government, the constitution, the civil sector even the way the currency is run will be changed and the sooner this happens the better it is for Nigeria and i'm very hopeful that it can happen soon because everything is aligning right now

Youths are getting ready to vote
Parties are merging to form a third force
Anger is rising amongst the people
People are finding more solutions to our problems
PDP and APC are continously failing reducing confidence in them
and finally we are starting to see our similarities and seeing where we can move forward
with the way things are going we're either set for a revolution or a massive change of who is in power

You are free as air to dwell in Nigeria. However majority of Ndigbo and Biafrans do not want to be part of the shithole called Nigeria beyond 2023. What a view you seemed to have about Nigeria and people standing up to take a stance? You are already against the people who stood up for a change.
Re: Do People Still Believe In One Nigeria by AlexBells(m): 7:18pm On Oct 11, 2021
Igboid:


You are not reasoning well.
You want to be in a country with a people you will eternally be dragging for power with. Wasting precious time that would have been spent on development and industrialization on power intrigues.
Are you listening to yourself?

No one is making North larger than they are. The fact is that the Islamic ideology of the North does not support infidels rulling the children of Allah, so whenever this happens, there will serious revolt like in the North like we saw in GEJ, derailing the Government.

Zik was a chicken, a coward. He was found guilty of using Eastern region funds to run party politics, so the British used it to blackmail him into either accepting to play second fiddle to their beloved North or go to jail.
We all know how the so called Zik of Africa became a powerless ceremonial president to a barely educated Balewa just to save his own skin.
Its the same Zik that some of you want to paint as someone more powerful? I laugh.

Zik is a shortsighted fellow. I don't blame him too much though for lacking foresight, there was no antecedents for him to learn from.
But I get irritated when I see adults like you who have seen the mistakes of Zik in opting for a United NIGERIA and yet voluntarily choose same path.
It is madness.

Zik lost out big time to the North.
He was beaten blue black from the word go when he was relegated to a mere figure head president.
And then was given a knock out punch after the much disputed 1963 Census result.


The only lesson to be learned from Zik misadventures in Nigeria politics and experience with the North is how to play second fiddle to the North. And also why Ndiigbo must find a way to pull out from this shithole.

Imagine someone once asked me why do I think Zik built UNN In Nsukka.
I told him it's because of the serene environment. The guy laughed an evil laughter, after which he said: Does Nsukka a Northern Igbo land that is almost a Savannah region more serene than deeply forested Central and Southern Igbo with lush vegetations.
After which he went on to tell me that Zik wanted the University to be as close to the North as possible,and that was the single factor why he picked Nsukka.

I was dumbfounded. But the more I reexamine Zik life, the more it makes sense.

Zik is not an example we should emulate in Igboland. He is more like an Ozoemena as far as politics in Igboland is concerned in wider Nigerian context.
I only appreciate his role in improving Western education literacy in Igboland. And for finding a rare gem like Okpara Michael. Those are his only two legacies in Igboland.

You people are just like so determined to make Zik appear less important, even if you were the one you can't argue for East to be separate from Nigeria, during independence Zik was arguing with the British he needed support from the rest of Africa not just Nigeria and you saw his connections

It all these propaganda against him, yes Zik ran into some scandal like you noted but the head position was great, he had already been the premier of the East and he made a choice to work with the North when Awo ahould be leader of opposition

There was nothing no need whatsoever for Zik to anyone to even dream of Biafra during independence, then at the time of Biafra, Zik was only lucky to be alive and Ojukwu wouldn't even listen to him so what are you saying as for the University,

What's wrong with it being close to the North it was the university of Nigeria the first university in the country it ought to be close to the center, let's stop this propaganda,

The North could have arrested Zik, or you mean the British could have arrested Zik that all ended after independence so I don't know what you are saying what I can tell you is that if ybe North overstep they would put in their place
Re: Do People Still Believe In One Nigeria by Igboid: 7:21pm On Oct 11, 2021
AlexBells:

Sometimes I get really tired of the ways you people approach issue, you are just focused that once we divide every problem is solved, Canada is an example of one country with two official languages of English and French,

Let me tell you one thing anyone that can't fix Nigeria can't Fix Biafra, Igbo Republic might be a lite different But Biafra is the one trending now it's almost the same problem and Biafra would end up having two official labguage of Igbo and English

We have to find solutions stop focusing all your arguments in destroying Nigeria or thinking Nigeria can't work, it is not that I love Nigeria more than Biafra but solution is solution

Canada has no Islam. A very big difference.
The Western Civilization is a fusion of Greek philosophy and Roman empire Christianity.
Both the English and French in Canada are United by that ideology.
Still you see how strong a centrifugal force language is, that despite the shared ideology, Quebec are still fighting albeit not with arms for independence from Canada.

By the way. When I say BIAFRA, I mean Igbo only speaking country.
Even IPOB themselves know at this point that multi ethnic BIAFRA is a pipe dream.

And Yes! Republic of Igboland will solve atleast 90% of our current problems.

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Re: Do People Still Believe In One Nigeria by Idiko1: 7:22pm On Oct 11, 2021
AlexBells:


That's if you are arguing on the basis of the second reason why Biafra lost, the first reason was that supposedly Biafrans was opposed to the war secessionist option or at best there was errors on the signals of support I had told you we lost becuase so many Igbo had different suggestion for the war,

Zik, Was opposed to Milirary option, Nzeogwu was opposed to the war and he preferred Nigeria and believed the war should be channelled to Kaduna instead of Lagos, Emmanuel Ifeajuna believed that once Ojukwu and Gowon were out of the picture the war should be over, there was no unity of purpose so tell me how we could win,

So many people were deliberately ignored Biafra of today is quite different at least it is surrounded in a call for referendum, it does not make logical sense that a real well planned and focused war that Nigeria would win Biafra but it turned out the way it did.

Ojukwu could have appealed to Zik, Nzeogwu and Ifeajuna, Ifeajuna could have been the face of Biafra giving his international reach then as an Olympic medalist while appointing MI Okpara as the premier while himself would be the chief of Army or Defence staff

These things happened too fast so I don't blame anyone, it had happened and it had happened but this generation needn't repeat a mistake I had told you,

I cannot correctly proffer why Biafra lost the war. In addition, I have not remotely insinuated why Biafra lost the war in my posts. You were the person who seemed to enjoy the fact Biafra had no weapon of war and international recognition. However there were, at least, five countries that recognized Biafra.

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Re: Do People Still Believe In One Nigeria by AlexBells(m): 7:30pm On Oct 11, 2021
Igboid:


Canada has no Islam. A very big difference.
The Western Civilization is a fusion of Greek philosophy and Roman empire Christianity.
Both the English and French in Canada are United by that ideology.
Still you see how strong a centrifugal force language is, that despite the shared ideology, Quebec are still fighting albeit not with arms for independence from Canada.

By the way. When I say BIAFRA, I mean Igbo only speaking country.
Even IPOB themselves know at this point that multi ethnic BIAFRA is a pipe dream.

And Yes! Republic of Igboland will solve atleast 90% of our current problems.

AlaIgbo Republic is great but it can only come in two options which one of them is a failed Nigeria, politics or outright war, and as you can see IPOB can not be fighting and then bring Igbo Republic at the same time so we need people who would cherish a peaceful Nigeria or at least needing to be shielded from the fight and build within

Once Nigeria collapse for whatsoever reason we consolidate but the current IPOB approach would imply a brutal fight so we need something another approach, a set that's Nuetral and ensured peace from both sides, then the Refendum would be conducted but advantage and disadvantages if we could set up our own autonomous province inside Nigeria

It would give us a sheild no need investing in social issues, we could sure travel to more countries and we don't have to make bogus defence budgets, we can build weapons and sell and provide better gadgets to Nigerian soldiers from our province this we would keep doing until either Nigeria gets it right or becomes a failed state at which point no one would be able to stop us becuase the state of Nigeria had failed and our province far ahead
Re: Do People Still Believe In One Nigeria by AlexBells(m): 7:32pm On Oct 11, 2021
Idiko1:


I cannot correctly proffer why Biafra lost the war. In addition, I have not remotely insinuated why Biafra lost the war in my posts. You were the person who seemed to enjoy the fact Biafra had no weapon of war and international recognition. However there were, at least, five countries that recognized Biafra.

At what stage in the war did they recognize Biafra
Re: Do People Still Believe In One Nigeria by Igboid: 7:33pm On Oct 11, 2021
AlexBells:


You people are just like so determined to make Zik appear less important, even if you were the one you can't argue for East to be separate from Nigeria, during independence Zik was arguing with the British he needed support from the rest of Africa not just Nigeria and you saw his connections

It all these propaganda against him, yes Zik ran into some scandal like you noted but the head position was great, he had already been the premier of the East and he made a choice to work with the North when Awo ahould be leader of opposition

There was nothing no need whatsoever for Zik to anyone to even dream of Biafra during independence, then at the time of Biafra, Zik was only lucky to be alive and Ojukwu wouldn't even listen to him so what are you saying as for the University,

What's wrong with it being close to the North it was the university of Nigeria the first university in the country it ought to be close to the center, let's stop this propaganda,

The North could have arrested Zik, or you mean the British could have arrested Zik that all ended after independence so I don't know what you are saying what I can tell you is that if ybe North overstep they would put in their place

As far as modern Igbo nationalism is concerned, Zik is a persona non grata! He was a shortsighted fellow.
There was enough evidence to show that NIGERIA was never going to work. There was Igbo massacres in 1954 and 1945 in the North.
The leaders of India and Pakistan were wise enough to recognize that Islam is irreconcilable with any other major civilization and pulled out from British India as fast as possible.
Zik blinded by pan Africanism from his days in USA could not see beyond the skin color of the Northerners and their race.
Zik never saw any reason why Ndiigbo shouldn't co-exist with Islamists in North and Yorubaland. A wise leader with insight would have seen the problems we are having today forehand and worked for Eastern region independence vigorously.
Zik like you was blinded by desire to be part of a larger country where he thought he was going to rule, just like I listen to empty Igbos who support Nigeria together talk about how NIGERIA is a big market Igbo traders can conquer, when it takes only one FG law to render all of you useless.
You never learn.

Nothing can be substituted with being 100% in charge of your own destiny.
Not having to carry others or have their own interests decide your own progress.

This is what Republic of Igboland will give us.
Dissect it anyway you like. Freedom and Liberty remains the foundation upon which prosperous and powerful nations are built on.
Igbos will only have this in BIAFRA, aka Republic of Igboland.

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Re: Do People Still Believe In One Nigeria by Idiko1: 7:38pm On Oct 11, 2021
Igboid:


You are not reasoning well.
You want to be in a country with a people you will eternally be dragging for power with. Wasting precious time that would have been spent on development and industrialization on power intrigues.
Are you listening to yourself?

No one is making North larger than they are. The fact is that the Islamic ideology of the North does not support infidels rulling the children of Allah, so whenever this happens, there will serious revolt like in the North like we saw in GEJ, derailing the Government.

Zik was a chicken, a coward. He was found guilty of using Eastern region funds to run party politics, so the British used it to blackmail him into either accepting to play second fiddle to their beloved North or go to jail.
We all know how the so called Zik of Africa became a powerless ceremonial president to a barely educated Balewa just to save his own skin.
Its the same Zik that some of you want to paint as someone more powerful? I laugh.

Zik is a shortsighted fellow. I don't blame him too much though for lacking foresight, there was no antecedents for him to learn from.
But I get irritated when I see adults like you who have seen the mistakes of Zik in opting for a United NIGERIA and yet voluntarily choose same path.
It is madness.

Zik lost out big time to the North.
He was beaten blue black from the word go when he was relegated to a mere figure head president.
And then was given a knock out punch after the much disputed 1963 Census result.


The only lesson to be learned from Zik misadventures in Nigeria politics and experience with the North is how to play second fiddle to the North( This is an area Zik know we'll which I want us to copy for 2023 to unseat the Yorubas who think they are wiser than they are) . And also why Ndiigbo must find a way to pull out from this shithole.

Imagine someone once asked me why do I think Zik built UNN In Nsukka.
I told him it's because of the serene environment. The guy laughed an evil laughter, after which he said: Is Nsukka a Northern Igbo land that is almost a Savannah region more serene than deeply rainforested Central and Southern Igbo with lush vegetations and much more abundant rainfall?
After which he went on to tell me that Zik wanted the University to be as close to the North as possible,and that was the single factor why he picked Nsukka.

I was dumbfounded. But the more I reexamine Zik life, the more it makes sense.

Zik is not an example we should emulate in Igboland. He is more like an "Ozoemena" as far as politics in Igboland is concerned in wider Nigerian context.
I only appreciate his role in improving Western education literacy in Igboland. And for finding a rare gem like Okpara Michael. Those are his only two legacies in Igboland that he would be remembered for when Republic of Igboland stands in the community of Nations in UN.

You may have ill-feeling toward Azikiwe as many Igbo chaps do. However it appears you have sunken neck deep into the fallacies published by the western region of Nigeria publishing houses. I have copies of 1960 and 1963 Nigerian constitution on my table and would want you to guide me toward the section which declared Azikiwe the "Figure head president". You got it totally wrong on the issue of ACB.
Re: Do People Still Believe In One Nigeria by Idiko1: 7:43pm On Oct 11, 2021
AlexBells:

At what stage in the war did they recognize Biafra

Most of the recognitions of Biafra by international countries came in1968.

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Re: Do People Still Believe In One Nigeria by AlexBells(m): 7:49pm On Oct 11, 2021
Igboid:


As far as modern Igbo nationalism is concerned, Zik is a persona non grata! He was a shortsighted fellow.
There was enough evidence to show that NIGERIA was never going to work. There was Igbo massacres in 1954 and 1945 in the North.
The leaders of India and Pakistan were wise enough to recognize that Islam is irreconcilable with any other major civilization and pulled out from British India as fast as possible.
Zik blinded by pan Africanism from his days in USA could not see beyond the skin color of the Northerners and their race.
Zik never saw any reason why Ndiigbo shouldn't co-exist with Islamists in North and Yorubaland. A wise leader with insight would have seen the problems we are having today forehand and worked for Eastern region independence vigorously.
Zik like you was blinded by desire to be part of a larger country where he thought he was going to rule, just like I listen to empty Igbos who support Nigeria together talk about how NIGERIA is a big market Igbo traders can conquer, when it takes only one FG law to lender all of you useless.
You never learn.

Nothing can be substituted with being 100% in charge of your own destiny.
Not having to carry others or have their own interests decide your own progress.

This is what Republic of Igboland will give us.
Dissect it anyway you like. Freedom and Liberty remains the foundation upon which prosperous and powerful nations are built on.
Igbos will only have this in BIAFRA, aka Republic of Igboland.
As much as you don't appreciate the efforts of others, I don't see how Igbo Republic would be,

You judge others by what you know today forgetting what circumstances they were, you are only able to argue for Igbo Republic today becuase people like Zik had wetted the ground, I'm an advocate of Igbo Republic as a matter of fact I appealed on many ground for Igbo province to be adopted as a start

But you can't have no respect for Zik, he was called Zik of Africa for a reason becuase the main goal then was to set free from the whites in case you don't know the North made it clear they were not ready to govern themselves, you don't know what persuasion went on for the North to accept independence which could have been hard for the entire Nigeria to get independence if the North insisted they were not ready

Before you judge others try walk in their shoes, you don't understand what Zik was in dividing Nigeria was not his duty, his duty was to set Nigeria free from British rule, if he did everything what would you do, appreciate him for he's done only that way would someone appreciate you for what you would do
Re: Do People Still Believe In One Nigeria by AlexBells(m): 7:51pm On Oct 11, 2021
Idiko1:


Most of the recognitions of Biafra by international countries came in1968.
Lol, isn't it better if Biafra got the blessing in 1967 especially one month after Aburi
Re: Do People Still Believe In One Nigeria by Gandollar(f): 7:54pm On Oct 11, 2021
Abohboy:


My view is the people will stand up and take a stance very soon maybe not 2023 but still 2027

The fraudulent voting process would once again be solved if the people took a stance you think one man can defeat a 100 angry people trying to get their votes registered?

They bring in gun men? We bring in our own if ESN can get guns so can we the people and we will fight back

My view is that the whole structure of Nigeria will be destroyed very soon not the nation itself but the whole form of government, the constitution, the civil sector even the way the currency is run will be changed and the sooner this happens the better it is for Nigeria and i'm very hopeful that it can happen soon because everything is aligning right now

Youths are getting ready to vote
Parties are merging to form a third force
Anger is rising amongst the people
People are finding more solutions to our problems
PDP and APC are continously failing reducing confidence in them
and finally we are starting to see our similarities and seeing where we can move forward
with the way things are going we're either set for a revolution or a massive change of who is in power
Nice read. Thank you for your time.

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Re: Do People Still Believe In One Nigeria by Abohboy: 7:59pm On Oct 11, 2021
Idiko1:


You are free as air to dwell in Nigeria. However majority of Ndigbo and Biafrans do not want to be part of the shithole called Nigeria beyond 2023. What a view you seemed to have about Nigeria and people standing up to take a stance? You are already against the people who stood up for a change.

There's different types of change not all who stand up for change are delivering the change that is needed this will be the eighth time i've asked this question at least answer it this time

If Nigerians have failed across the board to vote in good leaders how exactly will the formulation of ethnic states magically allow us to vote in good leaders and be developed?
Re: Do People Still Believe In One Nigeria by Abohboy: 8:00pm On Oct 11, 2021
Idiko1:


Do you actually belong to this discuss?

Yes?
Re: Do People Still Believe In One Nigeria by Idiko1: 8:04pm On Oct 11, 2021
Abohboy:


Yes?

Thanks!!! However you should have known Mazi Iheonukara Okpara was the premier of eastern region of Nigeria from 1959 to 1966.
Re: Do People Still Believe In One Nigeria by Abohboy: 8:06pm On Oct 11, 2021
Idiko1:


Thanks!!! However you should have known Mazi Iheonukara Okpara was the premier of eastern region of Nigeria from 1959 to 1966.

I know that i'm saying after his tenure would have ended which if i'm not mistaken would have been in 1967 unless they had 5 year terms and i'm sure after his tenure as eastern region premier he would have moved on to prime minister or premier of Nigeria seeing as he built massive industrial zones in all states, built ports, increased efficiency of agriculture and gave it machinery and on top of that he develop federal mortgage schemes to make buying housing easier for people in the eastern region and as premier he likely would have introduced same to the whole nation between him and Awolowo I think they'd have been the best leaders for Nigeria
Re: Do People Still Believe In One Nigeria by AlexBells(m): 8:07pm On Oct 11, 2021
Idiko1:


You may have ill-feeling toward Azikiwe as many Igbo chaps do. However it appears you have sunken neck deep into the fallacies published by the western region of Nigeria publishing houses. I have copies of 1960 and 1963 Nigerian constitution on my table and would want you to guide me toward the section which declared Azikiwe the "Figure head president". You equally got totally wrong on the issue of ACB.
I thought you will keep cheering them, let them rubbish everything and everyone misinformed generation, blinded by propaganda, let them keep Rubishing Zik one day they would look back and realise that if Ziks template was continued, no African region could have seen the back of The East, Zik entrusted the East in the hands of Okpara a youthful intelligence while aspiring for a more for the center,
Re: Do People Still Believe In One Nigeria by Idiko1: 8:09pm On Oct 11, 2021
AlexBells:

Lol, isn't it better if Biafra got the blessing in1967 especially one month after Aburi

When did the shooting war start? It all started as a police action before full-fledged firefight.
Re: Do People Still Believe In One Nigeria by AlexBells(m): 8:10pm On Oct 11, 2021
Abohboy:


I know that i'm saying after his tenure would have ended which if i'm not mistaken would have been in 1967 unless they had 5 year terms and i'm sure after his tenure as eastern region premier he would have moved on to prime minister or premier of Nigeria seeing as he built massive industrial zones in all states, built ports, increased efficiency of agriculture and gave it machinery and on top of that he develop federal mortgage schemes to make buying housing easier for people in the eastern region and as premier he likely would have introduced same to the whole nation between him and Awolowo I think they'd have been the best leaders for Nigeria
I just have one correction nothing in the west worth copying at then free education is a fast way of remortgaging the future look how much western states are ridden in dept today
Re: Do People Still Believe In One Nigeria by AlexBells(m): 8:12pm On Oct 11, 2021
Idiko1:


When did the shooting war start? It all started as a police action before full-fledged firefight.
Don't tell me when the war started when was the first time Ojukwu conceived the idea of secession, this war started through a dangerous coup man Ojukwu failed in that war I don't know his aim though but the first time the thought of secession crossed his mind was when he should have stocked up
Re: Do People Still Believe In One Nigeria by Idiko1: 8:16pm On Oct 11, 2021
AlexBells:

I thought you will keep cheering them, let them rubbish everything and everyone misinformed generation, blinded by propaganda, let them keep Rubishing Zik one day they would look back and realise that if Ziks template was continued, no African region could have seen the back of The East, Zik entrusted the East in the hands of Okpara a youthful intelligence while aspiring for a more for the center,

I am for independent nation called Republic of Igboland. I shall do anything to actualize it. Also, I am in support of those who wanted republic of Biafra. In essence, anything which can lead to the demise of the shithole called Nigeria will definitely have my blessing. However, my journey to nairaland had been geared toward disabusing the mind of Igbo chaps who have been fed with craps about Ndigbo by the western and northern regional propaganda machines.

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Re: Do People Still Believe In One Nigeria by Idiko1: 8:19pm On Oct 11, 2021
AlexBells:

Don't tell me when the war started when was the first time Ojukwu conceived the idea of secession, this war started through a dangerous coup man Ojukwu failed in that war I don't know his aim though but the first time the thought of secession crossed his mind was when he should have stocked up

You should not give me the above crap because you were the dude who seemed mesmerized by the international recognition of Biafra and why it did not come earlier than 1968.

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