₦airaland Forum

advanceDNA:
what the Op has been asking u is ....show proof that women are excluded from these jobs
how are women excluded?? who systematically excluded women....u dont just they are excluded becos they are not many in these job roles...how many male nurses are in the nigeria... are men excluded from nursing? yes, some people laugh and mock male nurses... but does that mean men are excluded.....

stop deceiving urself ....women dont want equality when it comes to plumbing, carpentry, mechanic, underwater engineer, trailer driving, etc...
they want equality in juicy places of power and they dont want to fight for it...they want men to roll over and hand it over....they want law to make seats of power available to them automatically and uncontestable by any man...even in company's board ....they want automatic vicepresident seat by law, commissioner seats, all those seats that dont need election...
and when there would be election,,,,men should not be allowed to compete....

its what Scandinavian countries are doing now, surpressing men so that women can rise...its not hidden.... lets see how far it goes..

last last we all need each other

Hyerin:
Because it didn't happen to me, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Are you stupid? There is empirical data that nullifies all your points! It's even in abundance sef. You're just an illiterate because your write-up literally makes no sense and you can't back it up. Next time you make such ludicrous claims, provide statistics supporting them.

then again, child marriages is a thing in the north, do you live in Nigeria at all? Or are you typing from lala land?

Appswheel:
Post below is as seen on a WhatsApp group. On a personal note, I do not not agree that one sex is a slave of the other.

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SLAVERY OF MEN BY WOMEN

German writer Esther Villar In her book *"The Manipulated Man"* that caused outrage and hostile criticism from women explains how women since the earliest times have manipulated men and turned them into their slaves, they have pretended to be the oppressed sex while in the real sense they are the oppressors. She explains how a woman manipulates a man skillfully by steps like courtship and finally marriage, hence the saying *"a man chases a woman until SHE catches him".*

In her book she explains how the man is tricked to care for the woman all his life and her offspring. He rolls the stone like Sisyphus and in turn gets rewarded by a few minutes of sexual pleasure. We can, by observing Esther Villars assertions that a man is a slave of his desires and the woman uses and has used it for thousands of years as a stick and carrot to keep the man chasing vanity and commit his life to serving her.

She goes ahead to explain the rivalry of women, how each woman feels the powerful urge and need to own a male for herself. Like a slave owner she detests any move the man would make to offer his services to another woman. She uses all means to keep the man to herself and her offspring alone.

Esther Villar's sentiments are captured by Nigerian Poet, critic and writer, Chinweizu Ibekwe in his book, *"The Anatomy of Female Power"*(AFP) and Will Farrel's, *"The Predatory Female*. They all push the theory that all societies are matriarchal and not patriarchal as we are pushed and forced to believe. Matriarchy has ruled not through brawn but wits and tricks; women feigning weakness to be protected etc. Thus the male becomes the most exploited sex in human history,(in wars the man is always ready to die for the woman; he has been trained to do that).

Chinweizu calls the idea of dating and courtship, training, like that of a horse. It is during this time that a woman having kept the man on a leash by denying him sex and getting him addicted to her by false charms, trains and breaks him to whatever she wants him to become.

The marriage celebration becomes a celebration for the woman and her friends, and they all congratulate her for having succeeded in getting herself a slave. A man on that wedding day waves goodbye to his independence and his coalition of males and commits himself to a Sisyphean life, rolling the stone, an act he cannot abandon having society and the government checking on him and always ready to jail, shame or exile him for absconding his duties.
*Thus the government and society helps the woman in keeping her slave in check.*

Chinweizu gives a narration of how women are trained by older matriarchs to tame men. He explains how a man is trained to rely on women by his own mother. A man is shamed for cooking for himself and other domestic chores by his own mother who is an agent of the global matriarchal rule.

By getting the man to hate domestic works and having it enforced by culture which warns men against going into the kitchen, doing laundry etc., the mother trains his son for the woman who will captivate him and when the time comes she takes hold of the man's stomach and by getting the man addicted to her body she holds him by the two, in bed and in the kitchen. With those two weapons she manipulates the man and turns him into her plaything.

In the *"Myth of the Male Power"*, Esther Villar's *" A Man's Right to the Other Woman"*; *"The Polygamous Sex"*, the authors of those books challenge the narrative that men oppress women, and by detailed research across African,Western and Eastern both in ancient and modern societies, the authors unravel the hidden power of the ruthless matriarchal power that rules the world.

*Presidents, Emperors and Kings are all puppets of the matriarchy forces that rule the World by pulling the strings from behind the curtains.*

*�Man, Take it or Leave it!�*

Godoverevery:
Am I stupid

Like it ain't worth it.....typical foolish woman

Two words....then insult.

richmond500:
Leave them joh, them think say to be a man na bobo

Even Bobrisky no fit handle the pressure, he had to run.

The other day, a man poured a lady water from his convoy and gave her 500k as compensation, u know how many water dem don pour me? 5 naira I never see, the last person weh pour me water even nearly beat me cos I told him "thunder fire ur landlord"

reddingtonblack:
Just a simple question; how have you being marginalized.
naa epistle we dey see abi you want extra sheet

DoggoneDogg:
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Charity begins at home madam.
Why will she be speaking about the gap outside her scope when there is a gender pay gap IN HER OWN SECTOR?

FreeIgboho:
Oh, I know it's an exercise in futility. Thsnks

badman007:
This is the most stupid thing I’ve read all year.
In a world full of people with obvious religious prejudice and Bias against women. It goes to show how Unenlightened and uninformed you are about the issue of women’s rights/marginalisation.

pocohantas:
From your thread, they are in every prestigious sector except engineering. Please don’t discredit your own research. I like to think you logically put it together.

BigBellyBurst:
Actually the op's right.

Women are actually enjoying life, but the more you have the more you want which is what is happening.

I have never seen a woman push truck, pack dirt, heave a full 12kg gas can, work in the coal mine and all those other "hard" work. And it's not like u see anyone stopping them from doing, they don't want to do it because they know deep down that they can't do those kind of jobs.

JayCynic:
You're the one who is too delusional to accept reality.
If women are afforded equal opportunities as men, given the same rights as men, allowed to compete for leadership positions as much as men, accorded the same suffrage as men, allowed to own, administer and distribute wealth as men, allowed to be employed in the same jobs as men.

Women are allowed to do literally everything that men can do.

How then are women marginalized?

FreeIgboho:
The word is "systemically" not "systematically". The very system (culture, traditions, expectations. conditioning, etc) excludes them right from birth and even b4 birth. Your example of male nurses is a good example - the same "thing" that excludes men from nursing also excludes women from those other jobs and it is actually stronger than a law, not because nursing is so hard!

Fiscus105:
Person (woman) that is not from ur own family, would come to ur house (((was she forced to come to a man's house??))) change her patriarch name, adopt ur own (((have you not seen women who still keep their fathers name even after marriage??))), go to labour in which it's life and death, the outcomes of such risky adventure, would be bearing ur patriarch name, non will bear her own patriarch name. Not done with that, she would be cooking and doing house chores for you (((so men don't cook and do chores ba??))), when she finally dies, the remain will not still go back to her father house, but ur own place (((it's not in every culture sir))).

Upon all these, you guys still lamenting on secondly basis on woman issue. Who curse you for Christ sake?

cococandy:
She’s a woman. So even if she’s not directly affected, it still concerns her

FreeIgboho:
The vast majority of women in Nigeria are NOT in the category described by OP. They are indeed marginalized and expected to be comfortable being second class citizens and very subservient to men

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How many women are like your account officer? Nigeria is approximately 50% women. Look at the business, political, church, education, etc leadership landscapes in Nigeria. How many are wome??
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Remember 50% are women. How many of the following have been women:
Presidents
Senators
Governors
House of reps
Millionaires and billionaires
Church leaders
Top business owners
Heads if universities
Heads of the military branches
Heads of labour unions
Etc.
Remember women are 50% of the population. What percentage of these do you think are women?
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The paternalistic society is stopping them. It is the way the society is structured. It is systemic. That's why they have a right to cry marginalixation.
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Not true AT ALL.
The fault lies with the paternalistic society NOT the women. It is the way the society is structured. It is systemic. Only the rare woman can rise above the conditioning and expectations.
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Not true. There is something stronger than law stopping them. It is customs and culture. It is the paternalistic society. It is conditioning and expectations. It is the entire system. Much more powerful than a mere law!

cococandy:
In a country where a woman who loses her husband starts to fret about if he didn’t leave a will while a man who loses his wife wouldn’t have to worry about such things even if the wife earned everything they own, you are asking me how women are being marginalized.

Many of you are being deliberately obtuse.

Favfables:
You say it is culture and custom that's stopping women from achieving those things....
Now I ask...

Does our culture not demand that women respect and submit to men?? But how many women actually do so??

Does our culture and custom not forbid lesbianism?? Are there no lesbians in Nigeria??

Does our culture and custom allow women to smoke and drink?? But yet does it not happen??

Does our culture and custom allow women to sleep around?? But yet are they no babies Mama's??

If women can go against this part of culture and custom, why can't they go against the part of the culture and custom that's stopping them from achieving greatness??

Owen247:
now i think this have to do with emotions cus women are more compationate than men etc u understand all those motherly emotions.thats what is needed thats what i think makes women more viable for nursing than men.

FreeIgboho:
What percentage of women do all these things? Probably the same percentage that beat societal conditioning and rise to the top

FreeIgboho:
Not at all. Are those not the same thing required of a doctor? In some countries there are equal numbers of male and female nurses and doctors. It is societal conditioning, not the job

cococandy:
In a country where a woman who loses her husband starts to fret about if he didn’t leave a will while a man who loses his wife wouldn’t have to worry about such things even if the wife earned everything they own, you are asking me how women are being marginalized.

Many of you are being deliberately obtuse.

njelrapheal:
What do you mean by paternalistic society. Can you site examples of these stronger things that stop women . Do you have data to support this especially in the area of education and politics

Favfables:
Exactly my point, if they can beat social conditioning and rise to the top on this matter, what is stopping them from beating this so called social conditioning and rising to the top in other fields

DoggoneDogg:
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Music is not the only form of entertainment. Take note.

nick50:
Men are d ones being marginalised, go to our higher institutions 80% of our graduates and undergraduates are women cos most of the male folks were sent to learn a trade or do apprentice at tender age or after secondary school..Nigerian parents now believe men can fend for themselves while they use all thier resources to train the female child so she won't go into prostitution but sadly most of dem end up as prostitutes directly or indirectly
Talking about being a billionaire most women are very lazy n afraid to study meaningful courses in school, u will see them park themselves in a less stressful department like social sciences, studying business administration and mass communication while males jostle for courses like engineering, mathematics, medicine n surgery..Nigerian women are even too lazy to study nursing instead dey allow men take it from dem..they avoid science related courses especially mathematics
So tell me when a hospital wants to hire nurses and doctors they will hire someone that studied mass communications simply because she is a female? I think Nigerian women are not serious..I pity who born dem plenty

FreeIgboho:
By conditioning and expectations, that's how. Human beings don't aspire to things you've conditioned them to believe from childhood is beyond them. Only the rare woman indeed can overcome such conditioning

Owen247:
Apart from d usual routine checks by d doctor, who spends more time with a patient. Is it a doctor or d nurse?

reddingtonblack:
Then we are left with movies stars & commedians shey, make i shock you
1-10 of highest paid actors consisted of males, RMD, desmond, jim iyke, mokeme,segun arinze, ezunroye, mr ibu, ramsey, nkem okoh, pete edochie before we now have a evening newspaper like rita dominic @ 11.
Lets not even go to comedians, like i said real fact above your facts won't be this nice next time

PrimadonnaO:
This is quite intangible.

FreeIgboho:
My friend it is tradition and societal conditioning and expectations. Are nurses you know kinder than doctors?? Some nurses are plain wicked. It is a JOB and there is no part of it a man can't do and do very well!