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Re: Marginalisation: Women Playing The Victim Cards by advanceDNA: 9:01pm On Oct 13, 2021 |
FreeIgboho: many men are not nurses not becos culture or society or anything is hindering them but becos most men are not wired that way in the end.. its called eventual outcome....even if many men study nursing today, you will eventually find many of them going into something else.... we have more male engineers today becos of the way men are wired, not because someone hindered women....in fact half the few women in engineering today will still somehow end up as makeup artist or dealer in women and baby clothing....why..."eventual outcome" . so if you like give all the women scholarship in the world to study engineering for free(its great).....i tell u ..u will still have more men in engineering and practicing it at the end because u cant force equality of eventual outcome, no matter how much u force equality of opportunities..... men and women are not wired by nature the same way......... 6 Likes |
Re: Marginalisation: Women Playing The Victim Cards by PrimadonnaO(f): 9:03pm On Oct 13, 2021 |
cococandy: It still remains sectional, because it's not the reality in the entire county. And if the North is the reason people still scream women marginalisation today, then the narrative should be framed correctly, as "marginalisation of the girl-child in the north." 18 Likes 4 Shares |
Re: Marginalisation: Women Playing The Victim Cards by PrimadonnaO(f): 9:06pm On Oct 13, 2021 |
crackhaus: Lack of personal responsibility for one's own life. Simple and short. 15 Likes 4 Shares |
Re: Marginalisation: Women Playing The Victim Cards by FreeIgboho: 9:13pm On Oct 13, 2021 |
advanceDNA: You are ridiculously wrong and easily proven so. You forget Nigeria is not the only country in the world. In some societies there are almost same number of male and female doctors and nurses, and more and more men going into nursing due to corona. What prevents Nigerian men from entering an in-denand field like nursing. Therin lies your answer.(We know from other societies that it is not "male wiring" 1 Like |
Re: Marginalisation: Women Playing The Victim Cards by reddingtonblack: 9:14pm On Oct 13, 2021 |
cococandy: c'mon we both know the example did not match our present world, no matter how good we are at denying, trust me a current reference would have shut our camp gas off Did you hear dangote daughter was left out of his father wealthy, or hear the real coco- adeleke is not enjoying is father's wealthy, cuppy no be person daughter, i know you are always missing something buh how did you miss all that, should i tell you the life igbinedion daughters are chopping, follow ex gov ladoja daughter what about adeola smart, Naa for poor man will, female child no dey see inheritance, as if their is anything to inherit sef, coco a lot as changed, you need to reset ur date/clock 2 Likes |
Re: Marginalisation: Women Playing The Victim Cards by Cousin9999: 9:18pm On Oct 13, 2021 |
The irony of males in here crying while displaying both hostile and benevolent sexism, and using the word "feminist" as an insult. Some people are psycho and allergic to accountability. Keep crying. 3 Likes |
Re: Marginalisation: Women Playing The Victim Cards by crackhaus: 9:24pm On Oct 13, 2021 |
Dear pseudo-feminists, please learn to differentiate between cultural issues and social issues. You can try to solve the later by associating with a movement and cause the movement to gain enough traction (outside the internet BTW) that might bring about change. The former however can ONLY be solved by dismantling traditions (also outside the internet), not through meaningless social media posturing. Tenks... 5 Likes |
Re: Marginalisation: Women Playing The Victim Cards by reddingtonblack: 9:26pm On Oct 13, 2021 |
DoggoneDogg: i can see you are so lazy @ reasoning, google dey your phone educate yourself |
Re: Marginalisation: Women Playing The Victim Cards by Ajiboye592(m): 9:31pm On Oct 13, 2021 |
hmm may God help Us in this country Godoverevery: |
Re: Marginalisation: Women Playing The Victim Cards by Ajiboye592(m): 9:33pm On Oct 13, 2021 |
funny U Y d landlord naa richmond500: 2 Likes |
Re: Marginalisation: Women Playing The Victim Cards by Cousin9999: 9:38pm On Oct 13, 2021 |
pocohantas, your responses are brilliant! lol 1 Like |
Re: Marginalisation: Women Playing The Victim Cards by CSTR2: 9:40pm On Oct 13, 2021 |
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Re: Marginalisation: Women Playing The Victim Cards by crackhaus: 9:43pm On Oct 13, 2021 |
PrimadonnaO: 4 Likes |
Re: Marginalisation: Women Playing The Victim Cards by PrimadonnaO(f): 9:46pm On Oct 13, 2021 |
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Re: Marginalisation: Women Playing The Victim Cards by cococandy(f): 9:46pm On Oct 13, 2021 |
Smh You’ve been given a clear example of everyday people but you chose to use outliers (People of a different social class) as your reference. I give up. Shouldn’t have been bothered to engage in the first place because you have been determined from the beginning to be irrational reddingtonblack: 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Marginalisation: Women Playing The Victim Cards by cococandy(f): 9:48pm On Oct 13, 2021 |
PrimadonnaO: They are part of Nigeria. So why should it be seen as sectional. And it’s funny that we would want to section them out as if they are the only ones with issues. When for example if you’re igbo, you have no real place among the men of your household. Is that marginalization or not? 5 Likes 4 Shares |
Re: Marginalisation: Women Playing The Victim Cards by crackhaus: 9:50pm On Oct 13, 2021 |
Godoverevery:Just as it was with the western forebears of feminism and women's rights. 3 Likes |
Re: Marginalisation: Women Playing The Victim Cards by cococandy(f): 10:00pm On Oct 13, 2021 |
PrimadonnaO: Do you believe you have more personal responsibility for your own life than Ini Edo (for example). What I see some ladies do on here when it comes this topic is due to limited understanding of the scope of this discussion. “Oh there’s so called marginalization but how was I able to get educated and get a great job and support myself?” Nobody stopped me. So it must mean that those women who speak about this issue are lazy and irresponsible for their own lives. They want things handed to them but I’m different because I’m responsible for my own life.” That’s how it comes across. Hun you do not have better initiative or more personal accountability than the outspoken women who chose to talk about the issue. Some of them have achievements that we all know of at national and international levels. So at the very least, we know they are not lazy and waiting for someone to hand them things. Case in point chimamanda for example. So who exactly is it that’s passionate about this topic that you would consider lazy and irresponsible for their own lives? In fact I’m presenting this question to ladies who consider others as having victim mentality or as being whiners when this topic comes up. Which popular feminist do you consider yourself more hardworking than? It’s giving joining the men in their age old tactic of trying to use shaming to shut down discussions. 5 Likes 5 Shares |
Re: Marginalisation: Women Playing The Victim Cards by BRATISLAVA: 10:01pm On Oct 13, 2021 |
Magnoliaa: Nowadays you need to be male to know everything about females. Seems the person who created the thread was touched by women's day, something that shouldn't exist by his standards. Oh, and those women with the words on their bodies. Perhaps even the no bra day thing. If males don't trivialize women, and aggrandize themselves instead, who will? |
Re: Marginalisation: Women Playing The Victim Cards by advanceDNA: 10:03pm On Oct 13, 2021 |
FreeIgboho: I am not talking about Nigeria alone.. and u are the one lying cos u don't have statistics to back your erronous claim that there are equal men and women in nursing.. There are more female nurses than male everywhere in the world..united state has the highest..and it just grew to a mere 12% recently, according to the bereau of labour statistics....just as there are more male in engineering than women... u think women don't study engineering...they eventually leave and end up doing other things... The equality of opportunity is fine...that's acheivable... But U can't force out individual or group outcome...that's a fact .... If u like seff...prevent men from contesting for the next election... The love women have for family will prevent many of them from remaining in politics for long...how many women have risk apetite like tinubu, like ffk, like fayose, oshiomole... Women will tell u men marginalize them ..but the good heart and caring soul they are wired with more than men is mostly why they won't leave family and chase career full speed.. Give a man a 1.5million naira manager job in maidugurii and he will not think twice before leaving his family... Give a woman the same job and she will remember her kids first cos she won't even want to leave her kids with anyone ...not even her husband.. 5 Likes |
Re: Marginalisation: Women Playing The Victim Cards by Cousin9999: 10:03pm On Oct 13, 2021 |
Justbehave: What if every male actor were told they could not work in any film unless they let random directors and producers s--omize them? This is the reality for many aspiring actresses. Do you think that's glamorous? Do you want to crawl into bed with your boss? 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Marginalisation: Women Playing The Victim Cards by BRATISLAVA: 10:06pm On Oct 13, 2021 |
cococandy: You would think only men are Keen on trivializing women matters. This is like some women trivializing labor pains, because they never went through it. Just as all men would claim it is women playing victim. It doesn't invalidate the experiences of those who are also mother's but went through it. It doesn't mean they are lazy or incapable of childbirth, too. Some women forget that it is men who created those experiences for other women, and that they have never come across it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. This is like saying fgm is untrue and victim playing. Working with men sometimes means you don't get real opportunities even when you're clearly fit and more intelligent than they are. That certain women don't experience that is fine, but to say those who have met it a lot are not in control of their lives is pushing it far. Sometimes it's only if your parents can give you that post that you will have it, otherwise men out there wouldn't let it happen for sentimental gender reasons. 2 Likes |
Re: Marginalisation: Women Playing The Victim Cards by angelfallz(m): 10:08pm On Oct 13, 2021 |
There is no need going back and forth with you. I gave you a list names you claimed they're the exceptions. Now you want more names? Guy go and Google it. The fact is nothing is stopping any hard-working woman from achieving her dreams and goals in Nigeria, the same applies to a man. Stop carry victim hood mentality. It would not take you anywhere. FreeIgboho: |
Re: Marginalisation: Women Playing The Victim Cards by Cousin9999: 10:08pm On Oct 13, 2021 |
Owen247: There's many explanations for that. Here's a few: 1. Parents think that despite sexism, males are dūmb and easily manipulated and would rather invest in the girl. 2. Society is so sexist that many girls feel it's education or pure suffering, so they work harder than any man. 3. Parents know a male can fail upwards because of sexism, but women don't have that luxury. |
Re: Marginalisation: Women Playing The Victim Cards by Arsenate(m): 10:14pm On Oct 13, 2021 |
Excellent thread. Not one of them was able to refute the op. Just some lame assrs jokes from the usual suspects and some bullshhitt that's completely unconnected to the main points raised. Most are beginning to see you as the annoying victim players that you are. Lovely stuff. 2 Likes |
Re: Marginalisation: Women Playing The Victim Cards by PrimadonnaO(f): 10:14pm On Oct 13, 2021 |
cococandy: I don't believe I've had a personal conversation with you on this matter. I'm trying to understand why you're personalising it. Why are you asking me if I have more personal responsibility for my life than Ini Edo does? Why have you framed the emboldened as though it were a thing I said? It doesn't buttress the point, because you can't know if that's the perspective I view this matter from. You also can't say I don't have better initiative or more personal accountability than the outspoken women who chose to talk about the issue, because you don't know this. And very importantly, the original discourse is in no way a comparison. The affirmations and comparisons you're making, where do they stem from? You've chosen to personalise a very general discourse, and the message is lost on me. Are we talking about me versus a certain group of people now? I thought the discussion was simply about not generally understanding the crux of the matter when women say they're marginalised. That's what I would love to know. How are women marginalised today? 14 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Marginalisation: Women Playing The Victim Cards by BRATISLAVA: 10:15pm On Oct 13, 2021 |
angelfallz: Conduct an interview and stop making assumptions. Even the way most of you comment here, looking down on opinions of women is a sure sign that you don't want women to speak or be heard or seen. You would prefer yourselves instead. Anyway, do the interview on hardworking women who achieve their dreams and goals. Ask them how they got there, if there was any marginalization, etc. 1 Like |
Re: Marginalisation: Women Playing The Victim Cards by SenecaTheYonger: 10:16pm On Oct 13, 2021 |
[quote author=shaybebaby post=106709626][/quote] Do you think that mining is dangerous because of men? Do you think it will be less dangerous if it were only women working the mines? Oh, I guess you’ll just seduce the rocks with your vagina and it’ll secrete all its precious metals. That’ll work What is wrong with you women? Politics will always be dangerous regardless of what gender plays it. Women are even more brutal when it comes to wanting popularity. I mean, look amongst your social circle. |
Re: Marginalisation: Women Playing The Victim Cards by PrimadonnaO(f): 10:22pm On Oct 13, 2021 |
cococandy: They are part of Nigeria, but a specific issue seems to relate more to them, does it then reflect the reality of the entire country? Kindly explain what having no real place among the men of my household means, and the implications. 9 Likes |
Re: Marginalisation: Women Playing The Victim Cards by deebrain(m): 10:31pm On Oct 13, 2021 |
100% truth. However, most (if not all) ferminst ideologies avoid these realities, and pick on the areas where some men torment women in the areas of presumed "advantage", to drive the idea of marginalisation. |
Re: Marginalisation: Women Playing The Victim Cards by Nobody: 10:31pm On Oct 13, 2021 |
badman007: How should I answer this one na?? Was o there when he slapped his wife?? Do I even know what caused the problem that led to the man slapping his wife?? And besides... You're avoiding the question... How has religion been bias to females?? 1 Like |
Re: Marginalisation: Women Playing The Victim Cards by Owen247: 10:33pm On Oct 13, 2021 |
Who is closer to a patient FreeIgboho: |
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