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Workch:
They think you are confused yourself.
Yoi are criticising them but you don't want people to criticize yours.

You are intolerant and extreme

On earth humans are the highest species of creatures created

You know that already that shows humans are gods of this earth

That shows the real God must possess the same attributes we posses among all God's only our God Almighty has shown he has the same thing we have an he actually came down and proved it and took up the thing man feared most which is death

After that he proved death is a small boy and rose back to life to show us what he is going to do for those who believe in him

No other religion has the answer to death not one apart from Christianity

Workch:
No, he is the creator of all gods including the Christian God

You said no he is not a God

I don't understand if he is not a God what then is he

Image123:
i think you find it fictional? i sincerely will not babysit an adult fool in his right mind. There are consequences for folly. Especially if i have uncountable billions of better adult children. Not forgetting the backdrop of knowledge that i would still get uncountable billions more sensible sons from his descendants.
Every sensible refining process on earth goes through this, you should barely have a problem with it especially as you claim it's fiction.

On the wizard, i already said many perceived wizardry and witchcraft as abominable. While you condone it and allow your daughter to go through it, billions of people cannot. Does that change your mindset, no. Turn it the other way, you and some others think God was so wicked to allow Adam disobey Him with freewill. He doesn't send your opinions. It's His zillionth son.

The question was what you personally would do, not what a fictional character would.

I asked you for a definition of wizard you refused, I brought one that has nothing to do with evil or abominable practices suddenly you now have a definition of wizard that suits your own narrative. You should have defined wizard instead of waiting to sneak in your own definition.

Bishopkingsley:
You said no he is not a God

I don't understand if he is not a God what then is he

He's the creator of all gods including the Christian god

Bishopkingsley:
You this there is a probability that freewill can change no freewill is constant what ever you will do is what you will end up doing

Because all creatures do what there heart tells them

If your body tells you it thirsty the next thing you start looking for water

If you refuse your going to hear pain before death comes so stop seeing freewill as some thing you can control

The heart of all creatures mostly man is desperately wicked

It is laid open before God

This sounds pretty incoherent, how can freewill be uncontrollable. What then was free about it?

Bishopkingsley:
On earth humans are the highest species of creatures created

You know that already that shows humans are gods of this earth

That shows the real God must possess the same attributes we posses among all God's only our God Almighty has shown he has the same thing we have an he actually came down and proved it and took up the thing man feared most which is death

After that he proved death is a small boy and rose back to life to show us what he is going to do for those who believe in him

No other religion has the answer to death not one apart from Christianity

The Hindus also thing their ultimate God is the highest, you have respect it if you want people to respect yours

Bishopkingsley:
My friend in their quest to be the first they claimed that there old manuscript was older than Judaism but we don't argue with them

As long as they confuse them self with over three hundred million gods they don't know what they actually worship

They aren't confused, just admit you don't understand their mythology.

Bishopkingsley:
Funny decide who you want among the two

I must not choose between the two, we have more than 4,200 options

Bishopkingsley:
If you prefer a religion that worships over hundred million gods fine go with them

It's their choice, respect it

Bishopkingsley:
The problem with Judaism is that if you fail one law you have broken all laws and death is the rewards so actually you are free to practice it and the end result is death because no one can keep all the laws of God

Only Jesus can so decide do I want the laws that condemns or grace that gives eternal life

You should respect other people's religion.

Learn to do that else I will blast christianity. Christianity has flaws as well, just like every other religion. Respect others so you can be respected

Image123:
The sort you have been attempting to heap on God or His followers.

With the god concept it is necessary to point out the faulty logic within the concept. You guys present something and I use your presentation to show where the logic breaks down. It is you fellows who are invested in the mythos who can be cognitively dissonant about it, I have no investment in it so cannot be. It is baked into the meaning of cognitive dissonance.

Image123:
All have sinned, all are spoilt and need Jesus.

Then the project was spoilt. QED

Workch:
He's the creator of all gods including the Christian god

You must be laughing at your definition

Now I told you before no one is greater than God if flying spaghetti monster is not God then forget about him

LordReed:
This sounds pretty incoherent, how can freewill be uncontrollable. What then was free about it?

I don't know how to explain this things to you but let me break it down to see if you get me.

Now freewill is in the heart now every one or at least many people want to be a good person

But they see their hearts wanting to be selfish to be greedy, to want to even defraud, to want to aspire more than the other person, to want to get more wealth, to want to receive money by any means possible, I can go on on what the freewill wants to do etc

Many people in the position to get this things can easily fall for them because their freewill wants it

Some want to do the word of God but they see themselves fornicating, smoking, abusing people, hating people etc

This is why the freewill is powerful thing it just wants to please itself

God wants you to put freewill in check to put it under God and under yourself

Actually God wants you to give it to him because you can not control it no human can

Giving your life to Jesus means giving him your freewill to control because we can't control it it just like the tongue it hard to control only God can

LordReed:
Then the project was spoilt. QED

A project that yields uncountable billions of harvest spoilt, lol, you have jokes.

Workch:
The Hindus also thing their ultimate God is the highest, you have respect it if you want people to respect yours

I don't think you read things I say you keep going in a circle

Am telling you why hindu god is a fake one and you are busy defending fake things

Bishopkingsley:
I don't know how to explain this things to you but let me break it down to see if you get me.

Now freewill is in the heart now every one or at least many people want to be a good person

But they see their hearts wanting to be selfish to be greedy, to want to even defraud, to want to aspire more than the other person, to want to get more wealth, to want to receive money by any means possible, I can go on on what the freewill wants to do etc

Many people in the position to get this things can easily fall for them because their freewill wants it

Some want to do the word of God but they see themselves fornicating, smoking, abusing people, hating people etc

This is why the freewill is powerful thing it just wants to please itself

God wants you to put freewill in check to put it under God and under yourself

Actually God wants you to give it to him because you can not control it no human can

Giving your life to Jesus means giving him your freewill to control because we can't control it it just like the tongue it hard to control only God can

You didn't answer the objection. How can FREE will be uncontrollable? Or are you using a different meaning of FREE. To my understanding freewill means you are freely choosing, you can't be freely choosing if you are not controlling it so it can't be free and uncontrollable at the same time.

LordReed:
They aren't confused, just admit you don't understand their mythology.

A god that specializes in only one area like the hindu gods is not a real God

My God specializes in all areas he is self sufficient

Workch:
I must not choose between the two, we have more than 4,200 options

No other God can boast of specializing in all areas like the Christian God

Workch:
You should respect other people's religion.

Learn to do that else I will blast christianity. Christianity has flaws as well, just like every other religion. Respect others so you can be respected

We are people of peace if the truth hurt people we can't stop saying the truth

If you blast it it won't move me am a peaceful person

Scriptures is perfect and holy and complete so how can you blast it when you can't see evidence of any fault in it

LordReed:
The question was what you personally would do, not what a fictional character would.

I asked you for a definition of wizard you refused, I brought one that has nothing to do with evil or abominable practices suddenly you now have a definition of wizard that suits your own narrative. You should have defined wizard instead of waiting to sneak in your own definition.

You are asking to nail and null God and belief in God, yes or yes? So, let's put in all the proper adjoinings and perspectives na.

i subscribe to your 1st definition na. That's the main definition of witch and wizard that we know and in context with religion section. Which one is my own definition, if they accuse your family members of witchcraft, se you will be asking for definition or talking about sneaking definition?

LordReed:
With the god concept it is necessary to point out the faulty logic within the concept. You guys present something and I use your presentation to show where the logic breaks down. It is you fellows who are invested in the mythos who can be cognitively dissonant about it, I have no investment in it so cannot be. It is baked into the meaning of cognitive dissonance.

You conveniently forget that it is not sustained by logic but by reality. Why do you eternally attempt to nail a fictional god without the faintest attempt to nail a fictional Adam? Quite funny.

Bishopkingsley:
A god that specializes in only one area like the hindu gods is not a real God

My God specializes in all areas he is self sufficient

Bwahahahahaha! The category Real can only apply to that which has evidence for its existence, not mythological beings.

Image123:
You conveniently forget that it is not sustained by logic but by reality. Why do you eternally attempt to nail a fictional god without the faintest attempt to nail a fictional Adam? Quite funny.

Adam is not real neither is your god so I don't know what reality you refer to. These question we are discussing are merely academic except that you believe in them.

Image123:
You are asking to nail and null God and belief in God, yes or yes? So, let's put in all the proper adjoinings and perspectives na.

i subscribe to your 1st definition na. That's the main definition of witch and wizard that we know and in context with religion section. Which one is my own definition, if they accuse your family members of witchcraft, se you will be asking for definition or talking about sneaking definition?

No I am nailing your logic.

The meaning I showed has nothing to do with evilnor with religion. You should have given your own religious definition. If they accuse my family of witchcraft I would have the same attitude, witchcraft with supernatural powers doesn't exist.

Image123:
A project that yields uncountable billions of harvest spoilt, lol, you have jokes.

It was you that said all have sinned, abi sinned doesn't mean spoilt again? If it doesn't then why do you need a salvation or harvest, why not take everything.

LordReed:
This sounds pretty incoherent, how can freewill be uncontrollable. What then was free about it?

Two sides of the same coin
If we study everything the Bible has to say about divine sovereignty and human free will, we’ll find that (in a way we can’t fully explain with human words) both are completely valid ideas.

Is God completely in charge of everything? Yes. “For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me, declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose,’” (Isaiah 46:9-10, ESV).
Do people have to answer for their choices and actions? Absolutely. “For whatever one sows, that will he also reap” (Galatians 6:7, ESV).
So to be faithful to the testimony of Scripture, we have to acknowledge both sides of the coin. On the one hand, God is absolutely sovereign. On the other hand, human beings have free will and are fully responsible for their own actions.

Consider it this way: We owe everything to God’s grace. It’s literally by His favor and mercy that we are what we are (1 Corinthians 15:10). But that doesn’t mean we’re off the hook and can do whatever we want. The choices we make, the words we speak, the things we do … Our actions have eternal implications.

How can God’s sovereignty and human free will be true at the same time?

We don’t know how to explain the difference and the common factor
But God does. And we can trust that He’ll explain it to us when we see Him face to face.

Or we can trust he is completely using the perfect system to rule us

You just have to understand he is the best God and his ways of handling us is good and fair

Workch:
The Hindus also thing their ultimate God is the highest, you have respect it if you want people to respect yours

I hope you read all I said about the true God in that post

LordReed:
They aren't confused, just admit you don't understand their mythology.

Did you even read the post about true God

Workch:
It's their choice, respect it

We don't fight people for God or kill people for God

So yes I completely respect the choice

But I have to equally say the truth they are worshiping the wrong thing

Man is made up of

Body
Soul
Spirit

The thing they serve had no relation to the three dimensions of man

LordReed:
You didn't answer the objection. How can FREE will be uncontrollable? Or are you using a different meaning of FREE. To my understanding freewill means you are freely choosing, you can't be freely choosing if you are not controlling it so it can't be free and uncontrollable at the same time.

Two sides of the same coin
If we study everything the Bible has to say about divine sovereignty and human free will, we’ll find that (in a way we can’t fully explain with human words) both are completely valid ideas.

Is God completely in charge of everything? Yes. “For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me, declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose,’” (Isaiah 46:9-10, ESV).
Do people have to answer for their choices and actions? Absolutely. “For whatever one sows, that will he also reap” (Galatians 6:7, ESV).
So to be faithful to the testimony of Scripture, we have to acknowledge both sides of the coin. On the one hand, God is absolutely sovereign. On the other hand, human beings have free will and are fully responsible for their own actions.

Consider it this way: We owe everything to God’s grace. It’s literally by His favor and mercy that we are what we are (1 Corinthians 15:10). But that doesn’t mean we’re off the hook and can do whatever we want. The choices we make, the words we speak, the things we do … Our actions have eternal implications.

How can God’s sovereignty and human free will be true at the same time?

We don’t know how to explain the difference and the common factor
But God does. And we can trust that He’ll explain it to us when we see Him face to face.

Or we can trust he is completely using the perfect system to rule us

You just have to understand he is the best God and his ways of handling us is good and fair

LordReed:
Bwahahahahaha! The category Real can only apply to that which has evidence for its existence, not mythological beings.

I once spoke about using scientific evidence to explain God to Workch we can expand on that theory so I can show you the evidence you want