LordReed:


The question is was Adam supposedly a child of the god or not.

Adam was created a god on earth

So he is not only a child but also a son a god an authority he is all mixed up into one man

god already gave him dominion over all animals and over the serpent

So God did his best on him to withstand the serpent

Kingsnairaland:


Yes because he knows no matter what he does you won't listen to him

So if God knows who makes hell and doesn't before everthing, so what's the purpose of evangelism and why are Christians still trying to convert people?

Would that not be trying to change God's plans?

Workch:
So, it means that he had two plans.
1. If Adam eat the fruit

2. If Adam didn't.


Right?

As God he does not need to have two plans because he already knows Adam will fail

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In a simple sentence you would watch your son drink poison right...

Omo, he said yes o...with his full chest

But trust Nairalanders, they will type one thing here for clout and to defend their abnormal decisions, and do the opposite in real life.

I still don't want to give up on Kingsnairaland as an irresponsible parent because I avoid them.

Kingsnairaland:


As God is does not need to have two plans because he already knows Adam will fail

So if he knew Adam will fail, it means that God is the cause of the problems and not satan.

He created all the problems and should take the blame for it. It means that all the suffering, death and hardship today is God's plan.

Do you agree?

Kingsnairaland:


Forgiveness means I will take the blame which God decided to do he took the blame the real punishment

so there is real punishment and they is fake punishment...
please what is the name of your bible...

Workch:
how can freewill and omniscient work together.

Doesn't make sense

Lol, this one is too much for Kingsnairaland to understand. I was trying to break it down for him with my analogy but it is going to be a long day.

Let me try if we can get there

LordReed:


So 30years old are not children of the god?

if you make my phone screen break, I will find you and take your phone

alphaNomega:
Omo, he said yes o...with his full chest

But trust Nairalanders, they will type one thing here for clout and to defend their abnormal decisions, and do the opposite in real life.

I still don't want to give up on Kingsnairaland as an irresponsible parent because I avoid them.

that guy does'nt even know what he is saying... That's how journey to antheism always starts....

Kingsnairaland:


God knows what your free will will result into no matter what you decide it can never be above God's will or God's plan that is where our limits stops

You can't become God over night and over ride his own will because you don't have such authority or power

This post alone cancels your position about freewill.

What you are effectively saying is that God wants you to walk through a door and places a maze, with the only exit at that door, before you to give you the illusion of freewill. So no matter the choices you make while navigating the maze, you end up at that door.

This means God still planned to punish Adam and Eve severely whether they ate the fruit or not because it was god's own will. No matter what they decided could never be above his will

Workch:
So if he knows Adam will fail, it means that God is the cause of the problems and not satan.

He created all the problems and should take the blame for it. It means that all the suffering, death and hardship today is God's plan.

Do you agree?

Blaming God is a common response when life doesn’t go our way. Since God is supposedly in control of everything, the thinking goes, He could have stopped what happened. He could have changed the situation to benefit me; He could have averted the calamity. Since He did not, He is to blame.

In one sense, those statements are true. Isaiah 45:7 seems to validate the idea that God is to blame for everything that happens: “I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things.” And Isaiah 46:9–11: “Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. . . . I say, ‘My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please.’ . . . What I have said, that I will bring about; what I have planned, that I will do.” If God is willing to take responsibility for everything, then is it wrong to blame Him when disaster or heartache strikes us?

The word blame means “to find fault with.” Blaming goes beyond acknowledging God’s sovereignty. Blaming God implies that He messed up, that there is a fault to be found in Him. When we blame God, we make ourselves His judge and jury. But mere human beings have no right to pass judgment on the Almighty. We are His creation; He is not ours: “Woe to those who quarrel with their Maker, those who are nothing but potsherds among the potsherds on the ground. Does the clay say to the potter, ‘What are you making?’ Does your work say, ‘The potter has no hands’? Woe to the one who says to a father, ‘What have you begotten?’ or to a mother, ‘What have you brought to birth?’” (Isaiah 45:9–10).

When we are tempted to blame God, we can choose Job’s response and trust that He knows what He is doing (see Psalm 131).

You need to acknowledge that God knows what he is actually doing

And accept that his ways are the best
Now you need to understand that you did not create yourself and you don't own your self and you are not your own

God owns you and if he decides to nail you to the cross tell him nail me and if he decides to burn you up tell him God burn me up if he decides to save you tell him God save me

You need to see he is God and allow him to do as he will when you get to the level where you acknowledge you have no strength to help your self that is when he comes in to help you

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If the punishment still stands what then is the forgiveness...

Help me ask.

Bible stories should not be taken seriously

Kingsnairaland:


Blaming God is a common response when life doesn’t go our way. Since God is supposedly in control of everything, the thinking goes, He could have stopped what happened. He could have changed the situation to benefit me; He could have averted the calamity. Since He did not, He is to blame.

In one sense, those statements are true. Isaiah 45:7 seems to validate the idea that God is to blame for everything that happens: “I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things.” And Isaiah 46:9–11: “Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. . . . I say, ‘My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please.’ . . . What I have said, that I will bring about; what I have planned, that I will do.” If God is willing to take responsibility for everything, then is it wrong to blame Him when disaster or heartache strikes us?

The word blame means “to find fault with.” Blaming goes beyond acknowledging God’s sovereignty. Blaming God implies that He messed up, that there is a fault to be found in Him. When we blame God, we make ourselves His judge and jury. But mere human beings have no right to pass judgment on the Almighty. We are His creation; He is not ours: “Woe to those who quarrel with their Maker, those who are nothing but potsherds among the potsherds on the ground. Does the clay say to the potter, ‘What are you making?’ Does your work say, ‘The potter has no hands’? Woe to the one who says to a father, ‘What have you begotten?’ or to a mother, ‘What have you brought to birth?’” (Isaiah 45:9–10).

When we are tempted to blame God, we can choose Job’s response and trust that He knows what He is doing (see Psalm 131).

You need to acknowledge that God knows what he is actually doing

And accept that his ways are the best
Now you need to understand that you did not create yourself and you don't own your self and you are not your own

God owns you and if he decides to burn you up tell him God burn me up if he decides to save you tell him God save me

You need to see he is God and allow him to do as he will when you get to the level where you acknowledge you have no strength to help your self they is when he comes in to help you

We have to blame God, he created satan and Adam, and everything is working according to his plans.
He should take the blame unless you think he doesn't know.

You don't need a Bible verse to reach this logic

Workch:
So if God knows who makes hell and doesn't before everthing, so what's the purpose of evangelism and why are Christians still trying to convert people?

Would that not be trying to change God's plans?

Every one of us was once a child of Satan so evangelism is bringing people from the kingdom of darkness to the kingdom of God

Which is the plan of God

Kingsnairaland:


All the things you said here replace child with a grown man of about 30 years

I don't think I will step in to warn the 30years old man that I initially told him eating that thing would lead to death

I think he should trust me and believe in me rather than any one else
Because whom ever you believe becomes your God

Stopping man all the time negate freewill breaks freewill rules

I hope you see my later post about the illusion of freewill.

No matter the age you replace the child with in my example, the question remains the same. Would you standby and watch that person take the poison?

I tried to personalize it by using a child (your child ) in the example but you still don't understand the story....and that is why you are saying do not blame god.

Workch:
So it means God knows that I will go to hell even before I was born?

that's what Kingsnairaland is saying because if it is god's will for you to burn in hell. There is nothing you can do to change it

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so there is real punishment and they is fake punishment...
please what is the name of your bible...

Bible shows there are two types of death

One first death when body dies

Second which is the real punishment the real death when we separate from God forever

So the first death is actually not the real punishment because you can die that one and still be united with God

LordReed:


How does it absolve the god of responsibility? The god watches his project get spoilt and does nothing, is that the characteristic of a good project manager?

Kingsnairaland:


Adam was created a god on earth

So he is not only a child but also a son a god an authority he is all mixed up into one man

god already gave him dominion over all animals and over the serpent

So God did his best on him to withstand the serpent

So the god sat back and watched his child effectively consume poison, what an irresponsible parent.

alphaNomega:
This post alone cancels your position about freewill.

What you are effectively saying is that God wants you to walk through a door and places a maze, with the only exit at that door, before you to give you the illusion of freewill. So no matter the choices you make while navigating the maze, you end up at that door.

This means God still planned to punish Adam and Eve severely whether they ate the fruit or not because it was god's own will. No matter what they decided could never be above his will

God did not decide it rather God knew they would fail there is still a big difference in that

Remember they still have the capacity to not fail you can't blame God for being God

Rather be happy with the choice he makes you have to thank God for good things and for bad things

Kingsnairaland:


Every one of us was once a child of Satan so evangelism is bringing people from the kingdom of darkness to the kingdom of God

Which is the plan of God

But God created satan and he knew what Satan will become, it means Satan is God's divine plan. God is still the reason satan is causing chaos. It's God's plan for him to do it.

I hope you are critically thinking now.

alphaNomega:
Your child is still your child even if you are 200 years old and it is 170 years old

i can't babysit a full grown man that chooses to be a fool especially if i had billions of "better" sons. Do you have billions of anything to know the feel?

Workch:
I'm sane enough to know that omniscient and freewill are incapatible.
I won't say they are to justify my imaginary friend

Give examples of omniscient creatures and those with freewill.

Kingsnairaland:


Bible shows there are two types of death

One first death when body dies

Second which is the real punishment the real death when we separate from God forever

So the first death is actually not the real punishment because you can die that one and still be united with God

so they is now real death and they is also fake death....
I am finished....

Workch:
We have to blame God, he created satan and Adam, and everything is working according to his plans.
He should take the blame unless you think he doesn't know.

You don't need a Bible verse to reach this logic

Blaming God won't still put you in the right position because you are not God

Now if God shows you why he does what he does and you see it you will shout to him to infact continue doing it the way he does it

That is the plane truth

You will marvel in the way he decides things
You will actually give glory to him and you will begin to tell everyone that he is a beautiful God

In fact you will acknowledge his the best God that is the beauty about God once he reveals an aspect of himself to you then you will see where he is going his purpose you will love him

LordReed:


So you'll watch them drink the rat poison because you've warned them. LMFAO!

Which of the following definitions do you mean

The first definition.

Who are "them"? i supposed you were referring to one grownup son?

Kingsnairaland:


Blaming God won't still put you in the right position because you are not God

Now if God shows you why he does what he does and you see it you will shout to him to infact continue doing it the way he does it

That is the plane truth

You will marvel in the way he decides things
You will actually give glory to him and you will begin to tell everyone that he is a beautiful God

In fact you will acknowledge his the best God that is the beauty about God once he reveals an aspect of himself to you then you will see where he is going his purpose you will love him

Who created satan?

Image123:


i can't babysit a full grown man that chooses to be a fool especially if i had billions of "better" sons. Do you have billions of anything to know the feel?

False comparisms....
how can a human being have billions of sons....
una dey smoke before una come this forum...

Image123:


i can't babysit a full grown man that chooses to be a fool especially if i had billions of "better" sons. Do you have billions of anything to know the feel?

Billions? At that point there were only two people, Adam and Eve. Where were the billions?

alphaNomega:
I hope you see my later post about the illusion of freewill.

No matter the age you replace the child with in my example, the question remains the same. Would you standby and watch that person take the poison?

I tried to personalize it by using a child (your child ) in the example but you still don't understand the story....and that is why you are saying do not blame god.

I told you personalize it to a son of about thirty years

And personalize it to that son having the same authority and power as you have

The only difference is that you have seen the end of the rat poison what it will cause the ripple effects for ages

So now hope you understand the problem

alphaNomega:



I hope you see my later post about the illusion of freewill.

Remind me

alphaNomega:
that's what Kingsnairaland is saying because if it is god's will for you to burn in hell. There is nothing you can do to change it

If you want to change it then believe in God

But you can see there is a powerful force making you not to believe

alphaNomega:
Billions? At that point there were only two people, Adam and Eve. Where were the billions?

Since you choose to call Adam a son, all the angels better qualify as sons and are so called. They are said to be in their uncountable billions. Gerrit?