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LordReed:
Adam is not real neither is your god so I don't know what reality you refer to. These question we are merely academic except that you believe them.

Let assume you are correct

But since there are two side to everything let look at the other side

I hope you permit the other side truth

Now if there is a God and you are on the wrong side of things

What exactly do you want him to do for you to believe him

Bishopkingsley:
Let assume you are correct

But since there are two side to everything let look at the other side

I hope you permit the other side truth

Now if there is a God and you are on the wrong side of things

What exactly do you want him to do for you to believe him

Provide unequivocal evidence that he exists.

Bishopkingsley:
I once spoke about using scientific evidence to explain God to Workch we can expand on that theory so I can show you the evidence you want

Go ahead, I am all eyes.

LordReed:
Provide unequivocal evidence that he exists.

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Number one If I provide that evidence will you accept he exist



Number two
you did not even read that thin I said I said...

Now if there is a God and you are on the wrong side of things

What exactly do you want him God to do for you to believe him

Bishopkingsley:
Two sides of the same coin
If we study everything the Bible has to say about divine sovereignty and human free will, we’ll find that (in a way we can’t fully explain with human words) both are completely valid ideas.

Is God completely in charge of everything? Yes. “For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me, declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose,’” (Isaiah 46:9-10, ESV).
Do people have to answer for their choices and actions? Absolutely. “For whatever one sows, that will he also reap” (Galatians 6:7, ESV).
So to be faithful to the testimony of Scripture, we have to acknowledge both sides of the coin. On the one hand, God is absolutely sovereign. On the other hand, human beings have free will and are fully responsible for their own actions.

Consider it this way: We owe everything to God’s grace. It’s literally by His favor and mercy that we are what we are (1 Corinthians 15:10). But that doesn’t mean we’re off the hook and can do whatever we want. The choices we make, the words we speak, the things we do … Our actions have eternal implications.

How can God’s sovereignty and human free will be true at the same time?

We don’t know how to explain the difference and the common factor
But God does. And we can trust that He’ll explain it to us when we see Him face to face.

Or we can trust he is completely using the perfect system to rule us

You just have to understand he is the best God and his ways of handling us is good and fair

This is a false dichotomy. The opposite of sovereignty is not freewill. And you don't seem to understand my objection. You said freewill cannot be controlled and therefore we should give it up to the god but if you say I am freely controlling my will then I cannot also not be controlling it at the same time. It's like saying that someone was freely controlling a car and not freely controlling the car at the same time.

LordReed:
Go ahead, I am all eyes.

I will once I gather my facts and eat

Bishopkingsley:
Did you even read the post about true God

Yes. Your own understanding of mythology is not the same as theirs. It's like a DC Comics fan saying Superman is more supreme than Captain Marvel because Superman has eye lasers and Captain Marvel doesn't. Your lack of understanding of their mythos means you are interpreting it with your own understanding of your mythos.

Bishopkingsley:
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Number one If I provide that evidence will you accept he exist



Number two
you did not even read that thin I said I said...

Now if there is a God and you are on the wrong side of things

What exactly do you want him God to do for you to believe him

That is what I want him to do, provide unequivocal evidence that he exists. If he can do I will accept that he exists.

Bishopkingsley:
I will once I gather my facts and eat

Take your time, I will wait for you.

LordReed:
Yes. Your own understanding of mythology is not the same as theirs. It's like a DC Comics fan saying Superman is more supreme than Captain Marvel because Superman has eye lasers and Captain Marvel doesn't. Your lack of understanding of their mythos means you are interpret it with your own understanding of your mythos.

I see... Don't worry I will try my best to give you scientific evidence

LordReed:
Take your time, I will wait for you.

To prove gravity exists, the effects are seen. Similarly, God's effect on and in the world can be seen.
The things God created proved his existence the earth the universe

Let look at this story


A parable says that a king asked a rabbi for proof of God. When the king was gone, the rabbi wrote a lovely poem on a paper and left. When the king returned, he asked the rabbi about the beautiful poem.
The rabbi denied writing it. The king was furious saying the ink was not even dry and no one else was in the room. The rabbi said, it’s the same with the world. It’s not possible that it simply invented itself or came into existence without God.

Bishopkingsley:
I once spoke about using scientific evidence to explain God to Workch we can expand on that theory so I can show you the evidence you want

You didn’t science, you explained junk science

Bishopkingsley:
We don't fight people for God or kill people for God

So yes I completely respect the choice

But I have to equally say the truth they are worshiping the wrong thing

Man is made up of

Body
Soul
Spirit

The thing they serve had no relation to the three dimensions of man

Respect other peoples religious opinions.
Fanaticism is when you think yours is the ultimate and none should surpass it

Bishopkingsley:
I hope you read all I said about the true God in that post

Yes, other religions also have opinions on that, you should respect it

Bishopkingsley:
To prove gravity exists, the effects are seen. Similarly, God's effect on and in the world can be seen.
The things God created proved his existence the earth the universe

Let look at this story


A parable says that a king asked a rabbi for proof of God. When the king was gone, the rabbi wrote a lovely poem on a paper and left. When the king returned, he asked the rabbi about the beautiful poem.
The rabbi denied writing it. The king was furious saying the ink was not even dry and no one else was in the room. The rabbi said, it’s the same with the world. It’s not possible that it simply invented itself or came into existence without God.

Show us the mathematical equation to prove the effect of god because we have a lot for gravity

Bishopkingsley:
There is only one almighty God

If any one says their God is Almighty ask them if their God poses three dimensions because man is in three dimensions

the one true God is the sovereign, self-existent Creator of the universe
(Isaiah 42:5; Ephesians 1:11).

He is spirit (John 4:24), He is eternal (Psalm 90:2), and He is personal (Deuteronomy 34:10). The one true God possesses all knowledge (Isaiah 46:10) and all power (Matthew 19:26), is present in all places (Psalm 139:7–10), and is unchanging (James 1:17). There are many false gods—

Hinduism alone supposedly recognizes as many as 330 million gods—but none of them possess the attributes of the one true God

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God is just (Acts 17:31), loving (Ephesians 2:4–5), truthful (Numbers 23:19), and holy (Isaiah 6:3). God shows compassion (2 Corinthians 1:3), mercy (Romans 9:15), and grace (Romans 5:17). God judges sin (Psalm 5:5), but He also offers forgiveness (Psalm 130:4). Any god that is not just, loving, truthful, holy, compassionate, merciful, gracious, and forgiving is not the one true God.

The one true God exists in tri-unity. The Bible speaks of three divine Persons who share the same nature and essence in one God. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three in one (Matthew 3:16–17; 28:19). This characteristic of the one true God separates Him from all other gods of monotheistic religions: Islam, for example, teaches one god (Allah), but it is a false god, since Allah is not triune. Any concept of God that excludes Jesus Christ is faulty. As Scripture says, “No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also” (1 John 2:23).

The one true God wants to be known. He has revealed His power and glory in creation (Romans 1:20). He revealed Himself to Abram in Mesopotamia, calling him to a new life of faith and making of him a new nation (Genesis 12:1–3). The one true God later identified Himself as the “the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob” (Exodus 3:6) and revealed Himself to Moses in Midian (verses 1–5). Using Moses, the one true God began to reveal Himself more clearly through His written Word, the Bible. And, finally, the one true God has given us the ultimate revelation of Himself in the Lord Jesus: “In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son” (Hebrews 1:1–2). Jesus is “the exact representation of [God’s] being” (verse 3). Jesus is the Word of God made flesh who “made his dwelling among us” (John 1:14).

We all have a choice of whom to worship. Joshua told the Israelites it was time for them to choose the one true God over the gods of the Amorites (Joshua 24:15). Elijah told the people on top of Mt. Carmel that they could no longer stay ambivalent concerning God: “How long will you waver between two opinions? If the LORD is God, follow him; but if Baal is God, follow him” (1 Kings 18:21). Today, people worship some of the same pagan gods mentioned in the Old Testament; or they worship more recent false gods such as Mami Wata and Cernunnos; or they worship themselves. But the worship of false deities leads only to death in the end. “This is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent” (John 17:3). May we be like Ruth, who chose the one true God over the idols of Moab (Ruth 1:16).

Do you know that the other 3000+ religions on the world believe their god is the true God, the almighty one. What makes you think yours is superior?

Mind you some of these religions are older and newer than yours. Try and think about it

Workch:
You didn’t science, you explained junk science

Kindly screen shot tb Google place that says you can see energy with your human eye

Bishopkingsley:
That is the question that you should ask because you can't question the creator unless you feel like you are more intelligent than him

Please focus on the question I asked earlier. What kind of crap is "do not question the creator"? You Africans feel threatened when questions are asked, that is why you detest accountability and refuse to grow.

Image123:
i think you find it fictional? i sincerely will not babysit an adult fool in his right mind. There are consequences for folly. Especially if i have uncountable billions of better adult children. Not forgetting the backdrop of knowledge that i would still get uncountable billions more sensible sons from his descendants.
Every sensible refining process on earth goes through this, you should barely have a problem with it especially as you claim it's fiction.

On the wizard, i already said many perceived wizardry and witchcraft as abominable. While you condone it and allow your daughter to go through it, billions of people cannot. Does that change your mindset, no. Turn it the other way, you and some others think God was so wicked to allow Adam disobey Him with freewill. He doesn't send your opinions. It's His zillionth son.

Have you ever been tricked/deceived/defrauded?

How would you feel if your father knew about it and watched you fall victim and did not intervene to save you?

Workch:
Respect other peoples religious opinions.
Fanaticism is when you think yours is the ultimate and none should surpass it

That is not a problem the problem is when I hurt someone because of God which I have told you Jesus never commanded us to do you need to understand the principles new testaments laid out

If you have encountered other fake Christians here am not among them

I preach law, love and grace and respect to all men any Christian that preach law only and forces you to believe God is not from God or does not know God

We lay down our life's for others to know God that what Jesus is all about

Bishopkingsley:
That is not a problem the problem is when I hurt someone because of God which I have told you Jesus never commanded us to do you need to understand the principles new testaments laid out

If you have encountered other fake Christians here am not among them

I preach love and grace and respect to all men any Christian that preach law only and forces you to believe God is not from God or does not know God

We lay down our life's for others to know God that what Jesus is all about

You are forcing your religious tenets down people throat by criticizing the religion of others.

Your religion is only ultimate according to you and others who are in it. more than half the world population disagree with you. Don't force it down

Workch:
Show us the mathematical equation to prove the effect of god because we have a lot for gravity

God means many things one is it means energy and you have already given the mathematical equation for energy

Bishopkingsley:
God means many things one is it means energy and you have already given the mathematical equation for energy

Which energy?
Mechanical, kinetic or potential energy?

Bishopkingsley:
God means many things one is it means energy and you have already given the mathematical equation for energy

Chemical energy, heat, electrical energy.

Which one is God?

alphaNomega:
Do you know that the other 3000+ religions on the world believe their god is the true God, the almighty one. What makes you think yours is superior?

Mind you some of these religions are older and newer than yours. Try and think about it

Research about their god they will tell you he only specializes on a particular area they won't tell you he has ultimate power in all areas

Bishopkingsley:
Research about their god they will tell you he only specializes on a particular area they won't tell you he has ultimate power in all areas

Your God is also a specialist in genocide and mass damnation as well.
Same to other gods. Your god is specialized in making failed plans and blaming it on his creations by sending them to eternal damnation

alphaNomega:
Please focus on the question I asked earlier. What kind of crap is "do not question the creator"? You Africans feel threatened when questions are asked, that is why you detest accountability and refuse to grow.

first God does not respect persons

Any one who does his will is acceptable to him so it is not about Africa or USA God does not care where you are from

It not a democracy you did not choose God to be God

You can only question God when you are able to create your own earth or make yourself live forever

But what was the earlier question I forgot

LordReed:
Provide unequivocal evidence that he exists.

I wonder what I takes for him to realise there is no god and all the Bible stories are things you should not take serious in life.

Workch:
You are forcing your religious tenets down people throat by criticizing the religion of others.

Your religion is only ultimate according to you and others who are in it. more than half the world population disagree with you. Don't force it down

No engaging and discussing with you is not forcing you to believe any one who thinks so is not confident in knowing the difference

We will proclaim God on the roof top in the sea in the deepest part of the world on the land

That is our job we do it with love because God first loved us

We just our God is a consuming fire and we don't want men to fall into his wrath

Bishopkingsley:
first God does not respect persons

Any one who does his will is acceptable to him so it is not about Africa or USA God does not care where you are from

It not a democracy you did not choose God to be God

You can only question God when you are able to create your own earth or make yourself live forever

But what was the earlier question I forgot

Forget about the question, god does not exist

Bishopkingsley:
No engaging and discussing with you is not forcing you to believe any one who thinks so is not confident in knowing the difference

We will proclaim God on the roof top in the sea in the deepest part of the world on the land

That is our job we do it with love because God first loved us

We just our God is a consuming fire and we don't want men to fall into his wrath

You don't have to criticize other gods because your own God is also an asshole with many failed plans. He even committed genocides to avoid taking blames for his cluelessness.

You have to see the flaws of your own God as well. Learn to respect others religion by not saying ill about them

Workch:
Which energy?
Mechanical, kinetic or potential energy?

There is one definition of energy.... Define it if you don't know there is one defined energy,,, forget about any other word attached to energy

Just define only energy and agree it can't be seen with the human eye