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alphaNomega:
Stay calm, that is the main character of religious folk whether Christian, Muslim, Eckist, etc. Even when the truth is glaring, they prefer to twist the story to fit their narrative.

I use discussions like this to test my patience because I know these guys have made conscious effort to always deny the truth that there is no god and their Bible stories are not real.

I am calm, he will drag this thread to 100pages with his nonsense, I have to let him know how of an idiot he is.

Imagine trying to twist the definition for energy for his jargons

Bishopkingsley:
The stories are real we can see the things Isreal built in Egypt when they were slaves

We can see the wars they fought and they still fight now many evidence to prove the stories are real

From the first page of your Bible, there are lots of bogus claims about a superior individual who is all knowing and all good. Two characteristics that can only be ascribed to an imaginary entity.

Bishopkingsley:
To prove gravity exists, the effects are seen. Similarly, God's effect on and in the world can be seen.
The things God created proved his existence the earth the universe

Let look at this story


A parable says that a king asked a rabbi for proof of God. When the king was gone, the rabbi wrote a lovely poem on a paper and left. When the king returned, he asked the rabbi about the beautiful poem.
The rabbi denied writing it. The king was furious saying the ink was not even dry and no one else was in the room. The rabbi said, it’s the same with the world. It’s not possible that it simply invented itself or came into existence without God.

I hope this is not the evidence you are presenting for your god.

Workch:
I am calm, he will drag this thread to 100pages with his nonsense, I have to let him know how of an idiot he is.

Imagine trying to twist the definition for energy for his jargons

I'm here hoping he is not a science student because if he is, then it confirms how useless our secondary school education has become.

alphaNomega:
From the first page of your Bible, there are lots of bogus claims about a superior individual who is all knowing and all good. Two characteristics that can only be ascribed to an imaginary entity.

You are wasting your time trying to engage this guy.

You will see how it will end. He is ready to shift the goalpost until eternity

alphaNomega:
I wonder what I takes for him to realise there is no god and all the Bible stories are things you should not take serious in life.

Deep introspection and a willingness to not be bound by bad ideas. Let us hope.

alphaNomega:
I'm here hoping he is not a science student because if he is, then it confirms how useless our secondary school education has become.

The idiot said God is energy and I said what form of energy?
He started asking me the definition of energy?

What of kind slowpoke is that?

Are we suppose to be defining what energy is to you again?

Bishopkingsley:
I see... Don't worry I will try my best to give you scientific evidence

Better be scientific evidence not arguments and attempts to logic god into existence.

[quote author=alphaNomega post=107033865]From the first page of your Bible, there are lots of bogus claims about a superior individual who is all knowing and all good. Two characteristics that can only be ascribed to an imaginary entity.[/quote

Those stories are real

When science proves energy is not created or destroyed

The living being that spoke in the Bible is God

alphaNomega:
From the first page of your Bible, there are lots of bogus claims about a superior individual who is all knowing and all good. Two characteristics that can only be ascribed to an imaginary entity.

Those stories are real

Even science proves energy is not created or destroyed

The living being that spoke in the Bible is God

[quote author=Bishopkingsley post=107033969][/quote]lol

alphaNomega:
I'm here hoping he is not a science student because if he is, then it confirms how useless our secondary school education has become.

But your personal quote or text or signature about Blacks is a lie

LordReed:
Better be scientific evidence not arguments and attempts to logic god into existence.

I told you science found out that

Energy can not be created and it can not be destroyed


This principle that they discovered is exactly referring to God

Bishopkingsley:
I told you science found out that

Energy can not be created and it can not be destroyed


This principle that they discovered is exactly referring to God

Correction science found out that in a thermodynamically closed system energy is neither created or destroyed. This means we have no idea how energy comes about. If energy is god why do we need to worship it? It works fine without doing any religious observance.

Bishopkingsley:
Those stories are real

Even science proves energy is not created or destroyed

The living being that spoke in the Bible is God

If you can believe the Bible stories, you can believe anything.

LordReed:
Correction science found out that in a thermodynamically closed system energy is neither created or destroyed. This means we have no idea how energy comes about. If energy is god why do we need to worship it? It works fine without doing any religious observance.

When we worship God, we recognize his grace. We see that God is treating us better than we deserve.

Worship gets us past our entitlement issues. It's even scientifically proven that gratitude has many mental health benefits.

alphaNomega:
If you can believe the Bible stories, you can believe anything.

The truth is that science has many bizarre stories about how they discovered many things than the Bible also the theories they formulate are out of this world yet because we claim those men are genius we all sheepishly accept their findings

Only few people question their theory and even bring out better theory than the ones they stated before

You can verify that some old scientists laws have been thrown out because new discovery have found them to be null and void

Bishopkingsley:
The truth is that science has many bizarre stories about how they discovered many things than the Bible also the theories they formulate are out of this world yet because we claim those men are genius we all sheepishly accept their findings

Only few people question their theory and even bring out better theory than the ones they stated before

You can verify that some old scientists laws have been thrown out because new discovery have found them to be null and void

The ones being sheepish are still the religious folks. Before the germ theory of disease i.e. stating that illnesses are caused by micro organisms too small to be seen by naked eyes, people believed sickness was caused by evil spirits and deities.

Today, you know when you have malaria, it is not caused by a demon. You know to visit a hospital for proper treatment. That is how science evolves and makes life better.

Religion is still stuck on a god that never changes. A god that told his people if their daughter is raped, she should be married off to the rapist. A god that promotes slavery of your fellow human being, and says if a master kills his slave, the master would go free. You know these things are frowned upon today, yet you continue to spend time to worship this same god.

No one sheepishly accepts scientific findings because if you want to know how a scientist does anything, it would be gladly revealed to you. You can choose to improve upon what you have learned e.g. if you wish to see a malaria parasite with your naked eyes, visit a school laboratory that has a microscope and try to relate with the microbiology students or lecturer in charge. Ask for a blood sample with malaria for you to see for yourself.

The truth is all around you, but the religious way of thinking has stopped you from acknowledging it.

alphaNomega:
The ones being sheepish are still the religious folks. Before the germ theory of disease i.e. stating that illnesses are caused by micro organisms too small to be seen by naked eyes, people believed sickness was caused by evil spirits and deities.

Today, you know when you have malaria, it is not caused by a demon. You know to visit a hospital for proper treatment. That is how science evolves and makes life better.

Religion is still stuck on a god that never changes. A god that told his people if their daughter is raped, she should be married off to the rapist. A god that promotes slavery of your fellow human being, and says if a master kills his slave, the master would go free. You know these things are frowned upon today, yet you continue to spend time to worship this same god.

No one sheepishly accepts scientific findings because if you want to know how a scientist does anything, it would be gladly revealed to you. You can choose to improve upon what you have learned e.g. if you wish to see a malaria parasite with your naked eyes, visit a school laboratory that has a microscope and try to relate with the microbiology students or lecturer in charge. Ask for a blood sample with malaria for you to see for yourself.

The truth is all around you, but the religious way of thinking has stopped you from acknowledging it.

Many human ailments are simply caused by living in a fallen world, micro organism etc and there are many instances in Luke’s gospel of people being healed of diseases with no mention of a demonic cause. In Luke 13 Jesus specifically speaks of Satan having bound this woman (verse 16).
So , in many other cases of healing, He simply heals with no mention of evil spirits involved.

But we cannot blame every illness or every difficult emotion or every sin on Satan’s influence. There is a variety of reasons a person may be struggling with such things

There are levels of sickness which are spiritual and caused by evil spirits but
not all of them

science can't even solve those ones which are spiritual death is a sickness which science can't solve

alphaNomega:
Religion is still stuck on a god that never changes. A god that told his people if their daughter is raped, she should be married off to the rapist. A god that promotes slavery of your fellow human being, and says if a master kills his slave, the master would go free. You know these things are frowned upon today, yet you continue to spend time to worship this same god.

There was a reason God made those laws back then now we are no longer using those precepts we are now working with grace and mercy and love God abolished those laws because it did not meet his requirements
And no one could work on them and abide on it it had many issues and God vowed to bring a new covenant
Which is based on love

alphaNomega:
No one sheepishly accepts scientific findings because if you want to know how a scientist does anything, it would be gladly revealed to you.

the religious way of thinking has stopped you from acknowledging it

Am a man of science so telling me religion stopped me is wrong

All science founders will always tell you science can't explain everything

We all sheepishly accepted that energy can not be created and can not be destroyed

Ask them why they will tell you they don't know why it can't be created and why it can't be destroyed

Ask them what caused the big bang theory they will tell you they don't know

So am a man of science and we know scientists acknowledge they are limited

The bottom line is science discovered God but they did not know that and you can't blame those who refuse to see the relationship between science and God

This simple energy law I have used it to link both together you can refuse to accept it but I have done the thing you asked of me I hope to use more methods to show you more

Bishopkingsley:
When we worship God, we recognize his grace. We see that God is treating us better than we deserve.

Worship gets us past our entitlement issues. It's even scientifically proven that gratitude has many mental health benefits.

I don't think you quite grasp the implications of what evidence means. You can't point to random facts and assume them as evidence much less evidence for a god. You are pointing out a completely natural reaction, how is it evidence for a god? I express gratitude every day without tying it to any divine being so how does it become evidence for a god?

LordReed:
I don't think you quite grasp the implications of what evidence means. You can't point to random facts and assume them as evidence much less evidence for a god. You are pointing out a completely natural reaction, how is it evidence for a god? I express gratitude every day without tying it to any divine being so how does it become evidence for a god?

I gave you evidence you wanted by showing

science found out that in a thermodynamically closed system energy is neither created or destroyed.


Yet you moved from the evidence and demand to know why we should worship God

Then moved back to

Saying
You are pointing out a completely natural reaction, how is it evidence for a god?

Don't you see your going in a circle

Which has no end

You run from the evidence and move to the why we should worship the evidence

Then move back to how is it evidence

My friend you should stay on one demand and be stable and do the needful which is take the evidence and work with it to deliver the required judgment properly

Which is there is indeed an Almighty God

Bishopkingsley:
I gave you evidence you wanted by showing

science found out that in a thermodynamically closed system energy is neither created or destroyed.


Yet you moved from the evidence and demand to know why we should worship God

Then moved back to

Saying
You are pointing out a completely natural reaction, how is it evidence for a god?

Don't you see your going in a circle

Which has no end

You run from the evidence and move to the why we should worship the evidence

Then move back to how is it evidence

My friend you should stay on one demand and be stable and do the needful which is take the evidence and work with it to deliver the required judgment properly

Which is there is indeed an Almighty God

I am not moving, I am showing your so called evidence is not evidence. You are the one who is confused. How can energy be a god when energy does what it does without the need for any religious observance aka worship? When last did you pray for electricity to flow through your socket? If you don't know what evidence is or what the implications of evidence are go look it up and stop confusing yourself.

LordReed:
I am not moving, I am showing your so called evidence is not evidence. You are the one who is confused. How can energy be a god when energy does what it does without the need for any religious observance aka worship? When last did you pray for electricity to flow through your socket? If you don't know what evidence is or what the implications of evidence are go look it up and stop confusing yourself.

This are the
religious observance aka worship?
That energy requires


Now science discovered how to safely obey the laws of energy (how to worship energy) without hurting one's self and you already know many have disobeyed it laws and died at the spot some carried the injuries it caused some where electrocuted beyond mercy

Now all those who follow the rules to obey energy laws they live peace with the energy

They have functional switch that light up the electrical energy they have proper insulation wire that carries the energy they have different house wiring laws they obey infact no one tells an adult to avoid naked wire

Once there is an electrical fault an expert electrical man is called because every one knows the disadvantage of disobeying electrical energy laws

God is power and Energy is is power this shows the evidence you need

God was not created and God can not be destroyed

Energy can not be created and can not be destroyed

What more evidence do you need when science is showing you the evidence

Bishopkingsley:
Now science discovered how to safely obey the laws of energy without hurting one's self and you already know many have disobeyed it laws and died at the spot some carried the injuries it caused some where electrocuted beyond mercy

Now all those who follow the rules to obey energy laws they live peace with the energy

They have functional switch that light up the electrical energy they have proper insulation wire that carries the energy they have different house wiring laws they obey infact no one tells an adult to avoid naked wire

Once there is an electrical fault an expert electrical man is called because every one knows the disadvantage of disobeying electrical energy laws

God is power and Energy is is power this shows the evidence you need

God was not created and God can not be destroyed

Energy can not be created and can not be destroyed

Stop misquoting scientific theories you have little understanding of.

If energy is god then your god is not a personal being that requires worship or veneration. We can safely dismiss your need to teach us anything about your god, we probably understand energy better than you.

LordReed:
Stop misquoting scientific theories you have little understanding of.

If energy is god then your god is not a personal being that requires worship or veneration. We can safely dismiss your need to teach us anything about your god, we probably understand energy better than you.

maybe we should worship crude oil.

Crude oil is a very good source of energy

Energy is God is the stupidest statement I have heard so far from a religious person

Workch:
maybe we should worship crude oil.

Crude oil is a very good source of energy

Energy is God is the stupidest statement I have heard so far from a religious person

It smells of animism, the religion of cave dwellers. In this day and age someone will be asking us to go back to stone age beliefs. Na wa.

LordReed:
Stop misquoting scientific theories you have little understanding of.

If energy is god then your god is not a personal being that requires worship or veneration. We can safely dismiss your need to teach us anything about your god, we probably understand energy better than you.

God means many things I only pointed out one aspect of God relating it with energy
God is power God is love God is infinite etc

I only used an aspect of his power to link with energy and you have seen this area clearly yet you refuse to accept it

Because you have made up your mind that no evidence will satisfy you

You want to probably touch God before you believe but you can't touch naked wire

You want to see God but you can't see energy
You see God effect on earth the things he created

You see energy effect on earth too

You want to know about energy you studied it in school or read it science books

You want to know about God you go to church or read the Bible

This things are the evidence that relates to the each other the exact same way as the other

Only difference is they use different terminology when speaking

It up to you to accept the evidence

LordReed:
It smells of animism, the religion of cave dwellers. In this day and age someone will be asking us to go back to stone age beliefs. Na wa.

Then we can worship the sun, nuclear energy is doper.

Or wait, how about worshiping one of the hypersonic nuclear bomb made by Russia. That's enormous energy bro

Bishopkingsley:
God means many things I only pointed out one aspect of God relating it with energy
God is power God is love God is infinite etc

I only used an aspect of his power to link with energy and you have seen this area clearly yet you refuse to accept it

Because you have made up your mind that no evidence will satisfy you

You want to probably touch God before you believe but you can't touch naked wire

You want to see God but you can't see energy
You see God effect on earth the things he created

You see energy effect on earth too

You want to know about energy you studied it in school or read it science books

You want to know about God you go to church or read the Bible

This things are the evidence that relates to the each other the exact same way as the other

Only difference is they use different terminology when speaking

It up to you to accept the evidence

I do not accept that energy is a god or that any other evidently impersonal natural forces are gods. That idea has been debunked ages ago, you are late to the party with this your god is energy idea.

Bishopkingsley:
We all sheepishly accepted that energy can not be created and can not be destroyed

Ask them why they will tell you they don't know why it can't be created and why it can't be destroyed

Ask them what caused the big bang theory they will tell you they don't know

There are calculations that shows you why and how energy can neither be created nor destroyed. As a man of science, you were supposed to have learned this in school.

You need to revise your basic sciences especially physics and chemistry to understand why it is stated that energy cannot be created or destroyed at least with our current technology.

When you advance into quantum science, it is a different ball game as most of the rules of classical science do not apply. E.g. a material can have a unique properly like thermal/electrical conductivity but on a quantum scale, what you would observe would be different from what you expect.

The big bang theory is a theory out of many others that tries to answer the questions of the origins of our universe. A book written by men who think sickness is caused by demons would definitely not have the answer.

It is a work in progress, we are going to launch the James Webb Space Telescope by the end of this year if all goes according to plan. This space observatory would help us gather more data about what lies beyond our home planet.

Bishopkingsley:
Many human ailments are simply caused by living in a fallen world, micro organism etc and there are many instances in Luke’s gospel of people being healed of diseases with no mention of a demonic cause. In Luke 13 Jesus specifically speaks of Satan having bound this woman (verse 16).
So , in many other cases of healing, He simply heals with no mention of evil spirits involved.

But we cannot blame every illness or every difficult emotion or every sin on Satan’s influence. There is a variety of reasons a person may be struggling with such things

There are levels of sickness which are spiritual and caused by evil spirits but
not all of them

science can't even solve those ones which are spiritual death is a sickness which science can't solve



....

So am a man of science and we know scientists acknowledge they are limited

The bottom line is science discovered God but they did not know that and you can't blame those who refuse to see the relationship between science and God

This simple energy law I have used it to link both together you can refuse to accept it but I have done the thing you asked of me I hope to use more methods to show you more

A man of science that claims some sicknesses are caused by demons is very weird if you ask me. Science and fantasy are not the same

Bishopkingsley:
....

There was a reason God made those laws back then now we are no longer using those precepts we are now working with grace and mercy and love God abolished those laws because it did not meet his requirements
And no one could work on them and abide on it it had many issues and God vowed to bring a new covenant
Which is based on love

There is either one of two possible reasons why this is true

1. God does not exist

2. If it does exist, it is not perfect. A perfect god would know what laws to put in place that can stand the test of time. There is no point worshipping an imperfect entity. After all, god never changes, so why is it changing the law? Tomorrow god can bring a new law that states all first borns should murder their parents and caregivers when they reach the age of 25 to control population and make way for newer generations.

Workch:
Then we can worship the sun, nuclear energy is doper.

Or wait, how about worshiping one of the hypersonic nuclear bomb made by Russia. That's enormous energy bro

Nah I will worship the black hole at the center of our galaxy, it's going to make us collide with Andromeda galaxy. May be if I offer it plenty of cows and goats it will change it's mind. LMAO!

LordReed:
Nah I will worship the black hole at the center of our galaxy, it's going to make us collide with Andromeda galaxy. May be if I offer it plenty of cows and goats it will change it's mind. LMAO!

Damn, that’s a whole lot of energy there. I can’t argue with that the blackhole is the most powerful god in our galaxy