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LordReed:
According to the Bible who did John the Baptist behead in other for him to suffer losing his own? Who did Stephen stone to death to suffer same fate? Who did James kill?

We are talking about the phenomenon of Retribution which all men have seen and not about the how evil men did evil to other people.

Dtruthspeaker:
We are talking about the phenomenon of Retribution which all men have seen and not about the how evil men did evil to other people.

You claimed that murderers get murdered so did those I mentioned murder? Who murdered Pilate for murdering Jesus?

LordReed:
You claimed that murderers get murdered so did those I mentioned murder? Who murdered Pilate for murdering Jesus?

I did not claim, I said, WE SAW!

Crystyano:
It is you that considers karma as something that means what you say it means

But you are not meant to determine what karma means in this case

As for the 12 laws
They can go to hell because there are many millionaires and billionaires that don't care about them

Is it Angel of BB Naija that is not making money

I have seen that life is about twists and turns

In fact
Reality is about twists and turns

Many people are making money without giving a damn about what you think

Many people live their lives oblivious of the law of gravity . Does it exempt them from its effect? No

So it is my friend. The people you mentioned may be using the law of karma unconsciously the reason they're getting results. Everyone one of us is doing so already.

But it helps to do it consciously so you don't think your live is controlled by luck .knowing that whatever you sow you must surely reap and don't give up midway when things are not going your way

Most successful people you see today went through many tough times before the achieved success. They never gave up. They were certain of success and they achieved it in the end.

You can get whatever you want from life. That's what the law of karma says. Know this and make changes. Nothing can stop you.

It seems you never bothered to go through the link to read those laws. Its your choice to do so or not

Dtruthspeaker:
I did not claim, I said, WE SAW!

You saw, I didn't see which is why I am pointing out to you.

LordReed:
You saw, I didn't see which is why I am pointing out to you.

When you say you did not see it, then you must either be blind or you Lie. And by writing here, you prove you are not blind, so it is only Lying which remains.

Some time ago, we read the story of the boy who killed his father and his other brother killed him. (Retribution)

The other story was the one who killed mother and the community killed him. (Retribution)

Now, https://www.nairaland.com/6822869/man-electrocuted-while-vandalizing-electricity#107106508

And here is what seers have said

Cokahot:
I.K
Instant what
Instant karma

Tayosteve:
God catch am

Harrykn:
Hediot terrorist died by electrocution.
Rest on bro

godofuck231:
Allah Bend em yarsh

https://www.nairaland.com/6674437/she-caught-act-examination-malpractice#104199916

And other Seers!

Dtruthspeaker:
When you say you did not see it, then you must either be blind or you Lie. And by writing here, you prove you are not blind, so it is only Lying which remains.

Some time ago, we read the story of the boy who killed his father and his other brother killed him. (Retribution)

The other story was the one who killed mother and the community killed him. (Retribution)

Now, https://www.nairaland.com/6822869/man-electrocuted-while-vandalizing-electricity#107106508

And here is what seers have said








https://www.nairaland.com/6674437/she-caught-act-examination-malpractice#104199916

And other Seers!

This is where your claim comes in, you claim this is a natural law so how come it does hold true for all those I mentioned? Besides who did the father kill before his son killed him? Who did the mother kill before her son killed her?

LordReed:
This is where your claim comes in, you claim this is a natural law so how come it does hold true for all those I mentioned? Besides who did the father kill before his son killed him? Who did the mother kill before her son killed her?

Now you are talking about Chain Retribution whereas this thread is about the fact and presence of Retribution.

Dtruthspeaker:
Now you are talking about Chain Retribution whereas this thread is about the fact and presence of Retribution.

You made a claim, I have shown you several instances where your claim doesn't hold through and the only thing you do is call it a different name. Again who did John the Baptist behead for him to lose his own head for? Who murdered Pilate for murdering Jesus? Who did Stephen murder by stoning to deserve death by stoning? Your claim clearly holds no water and you're merely generalising from some events. I doubt retribution occurs to up to 50% of perpetrators of any sort of wrong doing. Retribution cannot therefore be a natural law.

triplechoice:
Many people live their lives oblivious of the law of gravity . Does it exempt them from its effect? No

So it is my friend. The people you mentioned may be using the law of karma unconsciously the reason they're getting results. Everyone one of us is doing so already.

But it helps to do it consciously so you don't think your live is controlled by luck .knowing that whatever you sow you must surely reap and don't give up midway when things are not going your way

Most successful people you see today went through many tough times before the achieved success. They never gave up. They were certain of success and they achieved it in the end.

You can get whatever you want from life. That's what the law of karma says. Know this and make changes. Nothing can stop you.

It seems you never bothered to go through the link to read those laws. Its your choice to do so or not

Have you seen anybody not obey the law of gravity?

LordReed:
You made a claim, I have shown you several instances where your claim doesn't hold through and the only thing you do is call it a different name.

No, you did not! You are the one trying to fabricate a non existent CHAIN STYLE RETRIBUTION WHICH I DID NOT SAY HAPPENS.

I Only Affirm Natural Retribution Aka Karma As Proven by the cases we have seen in this world. that's all!

Nothing more, nothing less!

LordReed:
Have you seen anybody not obey the law of gravity?

Who has seen?

budaatum:
I can say you are wrong about Buddhism and reincarnation. Reincarnation is more like the Christian idea of being born again. You do not need to die and reenter your mother, just a change of perspective and understanding is required.

Correction noted.

Dtruthspeaker:
No, you did not! You are the one trying to fabricate a non existent CHAIN STYLE RETRIBUTION WHICH I DID NOT SAY HAPPENS.

I Only Affirm Natural Retribution Aka Karma As Proven by the cases we have seen in this world. that's all!

Nothing more, nothing less!

Retribution is not karma. Not the same thing.
Karma is the consequences of your actions . It is not punishment from an external agency.

Retribution is the punishment inflicted on someone as vengeance for wrong or criminal act.

When you smoke and it effects your health, we say you're have reaped bad karma from your action of smoking .

When you show love to others and they return it , we say you have reaped good karma.

Karma is the consequences of your actions and not an external force or god punishing or rewarding you for what you do.

triplechoice:
Retribution is not karma. Not the same thing.
Karma is the consequences of your actions .

See, Google's definition

retribution
/rɛtrɪˈbjuːʃ(ə)n/
Learn to pronounce
noun
punishment inflicted on someone as vengeance for a wrong or criminal act.

Is there any difference between the 2?

triplechoice:
Who has seen?

How can karmabe a natural law if not everyone gets retribution for their misdeeds?

Dtruthspeaker:
I am certainly not monitoring the lives of everyone and I would not be ever doing that.

However, it is sufficient that we have all seen around us that the cheat get cheated from, the thief, get stolen from, the murderer get murdered, simple.

Ok, I guess we may just have different experiences in our lives.

I've seen good people get walked over, and they don't always recover from it.
And some people who perform misdeeds & manage to walk without facing retribution.

(4/4)

Dtruthspeaker:
No, you did not! You are the one trying to fabricate a non existent CHAIN STYLE RETRIBUTION WHICH I DID NOT SAY HAPPENS.

I Only Affirm Natural Retribution Aka Karma As Proven by the cases we have seen in this world. that's all!

Nothing more, nothing less!

Which chain retribution happened to Pilate or John the Baptist or Stephen?

LordReed:
How can karmabe a natural law if not everyone gets retribution for their misdeeds?

Karma is not retribution. I already explained that

IMAliyu:
Ok, I guess we may just have different experiences in our lives.

I've seen good people get walked over, and they don't always recover from it.
And some people who perform misdeeds & manage to walk without facing retribution.

(4/4)

I would qualify that word "good people", Whose good people?

Is it the Judgement of the Creator of the people, or the judgement of other people creations or people self judgment?

But that aside, we affirm what things we have seen in this Natural Living.

LordReed:
Which chain retribution happened to Pilate or John the Baptist or Stephen?

That is the course of your enquiry and that was not my presentation at all.

MaxInDHouse:
There is no Karma, people only get what they sow through the system when what they did goes round. If everyone of us hate stealing nobody will be scared of thieves but when we seize the opportunity to make what's not our own then the fear of such happening to us will always be there. But as for karma it has nothing to do with God, once you change your attitude it will go round. For instance if all Nigerians stop giving and receiving bribe things will improve speedily but the more we engage in corruption the worse our situation as a nation.

This I agree with, karma may not be real, but our own actions, the actions of individuals do have consequences especially when scaled up.
We can't all be ok with certain forms of corruption like bribes, or shonting a line and expect to live in an orderly corruption free society
The same way we can't keep voting for incompetent leaders and representatives because of tribal or religious association and expect a better working country.

Dtruthspeaker:
See, Google's definition

retribution
/rɛtrɪˈbjuːʃ(ə)n/
Learn to pronounce
noun
punishment inflicted on someone as vengeance for a wrong or criminal act.

Is there any difference between the 2?

There's a difference. For retribution, it is an external agency that inflicts or is believed to inflict the punishment while for karma you only reap the consequences of your actions nobody is punishing you.

Karma can be erased so you don't get back the effect of what you do.

But for retribution you need to appeal to the external agency for mercy who you may assume is punishing you.

To a larger extent you're always in control when it comes to karma. But only when you have the awareness of what might come from what actions you take

If I know that drinking while driving can results in accident, what I need to do so as not to reap negative karma ,is not to drink . It is as simple ad that

IMAliyu:
This I agree with, karma may not be real, but our own actions, the actions of individuals do have consequences especially when scaled up.
We can't all be ok with certain forms of corruption like bribes, or shonting a line and expect to live in an orderly corruption free society
The same way we can't keep voting for incompetent leaders and representatives because of tribal or religious association and expect a better working country.

Karma is just a word used to explain that our actions or works carries consequence.

Most people are using the word wrongly hence the misunderstanding.

You know ,when something negative happens to anyone, people are quick to scream karma as if it is Punishment for what is happening to the person but don't scream karma when the same person experience something good.

So because of this , the public now thinks karma means punishment by an external agency for evil which is not true. The evil you get is the one you bring upon yourself through your own actions

In Nigeria now, we are reaping negative karma , called collective karma, from the actions we took in the past by chosen our current leaders. Whether you voted or not it doesn't matter. We are all responsible

IMAliyu:
This I agree with, karma may not be real, but our own actions, the actions of individuals do have consequences especially when scaled up.
We can't all be ok with certain forms of corruption like bribes, or shonting a line and expect to live in an orderly corruption free society
The same way we can't keep voting for incompetent leaders and representatives because of tribal or religious association and expect a better working country.

Voting for rulers will continue until the end of the world, in fact that is the last false religion that will stand against the true religion.
But by then the tribulations will be everywhere because atheism would have wiped out false religion completely so that homosexuals, lesbians, crossdressers, transgenders, bestialists and many more disgusting habits will be generally accepted in the human society, and they will also be elected into public offices as Presidents, Governors, Senators and so on.
So Karma is a dead superstition that religionists are nursing out of frustration, God's own judgement is against those practicing false religions not people who have bad habits that they can forgo at anytime their conscience is disturbed! Luke 23:39-43

triplechoice:
Karma is not retribution. I already explained that

Whatever it is, it is not universal,how then can it be a natural law?

triplechoice:
There's a difference. For retribution, it is an external agency that inflicts or is believed to inflict the punishment while for karma you only reap the consequences of your actions nobody is punishing you.

But from your examples the accident obtained while drink driving or When you show love to others and they return it you called them karma too and both are from "external agencies"

Dtruthspeaker:
That is the course of your enquiry and that was not my presentation at all.

Your presentation was that acts breed equal consequences all the time. Why did Pilate suffer no murder after murdering Jesus? What did Stephen do that warranted stoning to death? And who did John the Baptist kill to suffer a beheading himself?

IMAliyu:
Ok, I guess we may just have different experiences in our lives.

I've seen good people get walked over, and they don't always recover from it.
And some people who perform misdeeds & manage to walk without facing retribution.

(4/4)

What actions did so called good person take to put himself in a position to being walked over? That's is the key to understanding how we create karma with its attendant consequences

Dtruthspeaker:
But from your examples the accident obtained while drink driving or When you show love to others and they return it you called them karma too and both are from "external agencies"

So you mean when you have an accident your car is punishing you?

As for the other, when it comes to karma, you can see a correlation between what you did and the results. You know your actions led to the love you get in return. For retribution you cannot actually pinpoint what the person did to earn the punishment and even more some person don't get any punishment when you expect it

I think from now onward, I will stop using the word consequence when it comes to explaining karma . The correct word should be effect so that people stop linking it only with something bad .

triplechoice:
So you mean when you have an accident your car is punishing you?

You said "external agency" and accidents are usually outside and beyond the "car punishing you".

Dtruthspeaker:
You said "external agency" and accidents are usually outside and beyond the "car punishing you".

What led to the accident? Your actions. And so who is responsible?