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Born a fousquarian but switched to C&S.. love the church till death... Ayo ni oo

Bigredmachine:
I was born into a Catholic church, and over the years I have seen so many things I don't like about Catholics e.g the worshiping and bowing down to images, which the Bible clearly kicks against... So many other things they do that I begin to doubt if Catholic is a real church...

They will tell us how Catholic was the true and only church founded and approved by Lord Jesus Christ by himself and every other church broke out from Catholic church...

Talking about switching... I have also seen how other churches now rival themselves as being better than the other... You see deeper life members bragging they worship God more than living faith or redeemed... So many competition here and there which I don't like...

Its all these things that has just made me stay put in Catholic and not really because I like their style but going to another church won't even change anything...

Its not about the church u go to, its about the individual person way of live, I can learn the teachings of any church if I feel they are saying the right things and not brag of how this church is better than that one

The truth be say church matter dey tire me and I see all the church out there as business centre

Boy, you don't know anything about the Catholic Church. You are probably one of those who only come to church on Sundays and leave the moment the Mass ends.

Your type doesn't participate in any activities; just Sunday Masses. Join societies in church to learn more. Stop coming online to display your religious ignorance.

djranking00:
Stop your lies you didn't come close to become a Catholic priest if not you will understand what am saying you're a heretic what major seminary did you attend

Hmm.

The way you call people liars tho.

Bigredmachine:
This is what am taking about ... You say am castigating the Catholic church, fine I may not have voiced my displeasure using the right grammar, as English no be my mate... But what am saying is that everyone has one or two things to say about their church being the best...

Good they have told us countless time how we pray to God through Mary to intercede for us and how its not worshiping but honour of some sort...

I can't just go on and on but there are so many things wrong with the church of today...

You are just super confused

kenny1313:
First thing I consider when It comes to church in Nigeria, is that the church must not be Own by an individual. That's to say Mr A owns the church and when he dies his son or wife automatically becomes the next GO.
Who are you or your family to own a House of God?

The Church should be govern by a body not an individual.

This is an eye-opener

Thank you.

chatinent:
I was born a Catholic. I remember asking a Reverend Father what “bowing down to graven images as a sin” meant. He was biting his words cos he suspected the Jesus statue would be questioned.

Due to my inquisition, I had to dig deeper. Why venerate Mary? What is really her role? What's the role of the rosaries using the Bible? Can Jesus be God and still pray to God? What are the use of those Holy Sacrament and Hail Mary incantations? Where is Father Christmas in the Bible? Is Mary the mother of God? Very many questions...

I gave up.

I am now one of the JW.

Where is JW in the Bible? Where is Jehovah as a word in the Bible? Mind you there is no J in Hebrew language.

chatinent:
I was born a Catholic. I remember asking a Reverend Father what “bowing down to graven images as a sin” meant. He was biting his words cos he suspected the Jesus statue would be questioned.

Due to my inquisition, I had to dig deeper. Why venerate Mary? What is really her role? What's the role of the rosaries using the Bible? Can Jesus be God and still pray to God? What are the use of those Holy Sacrament and Hail Mary incantations? Where is Father Christmas in the Bible? Is Mary the mother of God? Very many questions...

I gave up.

I am now one of the JW.

Everything about JW is i better pass my neighbors.

They will always Invite you to their church activities everyday but is a sin for their members to visit other churches,
Is wrong for a members to join Army, police but the can join custom,
You can have sex with non JW but you must marry JW

Mpanyi:
Where is JW in the Bible? Where is Jehovah as a word in the Bible? Mind you there is no J in Hebrew language.

Psalms 83:18.

Ayo081:
May God open our eyes.

Rather than attacking the guy baselessly, you should have given him sound Biblical basis for the Roman Catholic practices which he so detests.

Now, tell me that scripture in the Bible where Peter, James, John or any of the earliest Christians bowed down to Mary, prayed through Mary, used Rosaries, worshipped the Queen of heaven or made an image of Jesus to bow down to.

If you can provide sound Biblical basis for these things, I'll turn Catholic today.

chatinent:
Hmm.

The way you call people liars tho.

I have schooled dozens of JWs and will not hesitate to do so at any given opportunity. You said something about the Wars and crusades. Let me educate you a bit, have you heard of the Ottoman empire? Did you know that much of Europe were under the Ottoman rule at some point in history? The Catholics fought the Ottomans with her money, they sacrificed their lives so that people like you can practice your JW freely. There are no JW in Saudi Arabia or other core Islamic nations. In Russia JWs are an endangered species. What you are enjoying today preaching was paid for by the same Catholics you detest.

wordapostle:
Some of us they chose for us
Some choose for themselves
And some God choose for them

The last is my case

Hmmmmmmm

Hideki:
I have schooled dozens of JWs and will not hesitate to do so at any given opportunity. You said something about the Wars and crusades. Let me educate you a bit, have you heard of the Ottoman empire? Did you know that much of Europe were under the Ottoman rule at some point in history? The Catholics fought the Ottomans with her money, they sacrificed their lives so that people like you can practice your JW freely. There are no JW in Saudi Arabia or other core Islamic nations. In Russia JWs are an endangered species. What you are enjoying today preaching was paid for by the same Catholics you detest.

That's an argument?

Lol.

NobleRace:
Rather than attacking the guy baselessly, you should have given him sound Biblical basis for the Roman Catholic practices which he so detests.

Now, tell me that scripture in the Bible where Peter, James, John or any of the earliest Christians bowed down to Mary, prayed through Mary, used Rosaries, worshipped the Queen of heaven or made an image of Jesus to bow down to.

If you can provide sound Biblical basis for these things, I'll turn Catholic today.

you are not ready to become a Catholic. Catholicism is booming, presently in England a lot of Anglican bishops are resigning to become Catholics. I would have loved to elucidate on those things you captioned but you have already taken a position. Continue with your Church. Peace be upon u.

chatinent:
That's an argument?

Lol.

That is for you to at least respect them and quietly keep your peace.

chatinent:
In your mind, you understand Catholicism more than sb born into it, an avid follower, sb close to becoming a priest, and sb who decided to change. I can smell the sarcasm in your “coming down to my level.”

Let's not even remember the role of the Catholics during the war, the papacy and all that.



Look at what you posted. You identified Jesus and God differently yet say she is the mother of Jesus yet the mother of God. Does it sound reasonable to you or are you trying to defend what is not there? Don't you know Jesus was created and God wasn't?

All your confusion arose because you don't know God has his own name.

What are the uses of graven images in a so-called house of God? Isn't it what the Babylonians did?

The same John you quote wrote 17:3 and identified these people differently...and note, emphasis was not made to Mary as an intercessor, or as a medium to everlasting life.

There is nowhere in the bible did it urge us to beg Mary to beg God. Even Jesus, Mary's Son, while teaching us to pray said:

“Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name; thy kingdom come; thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread; and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us; and lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. Amen.”

He also said anything we ask in his name, God will answer.

If the Holy Trinity has three figures, why is Mary not the mother of the Holy Spirit? Why is the holy spirit less active when a connection is made to Jesus being God and vice versa?

Little wonder you never became a priest.
You should not have become a seminarian if you at all was one. It's obvious you lack the sheer wisdom and intelligence to understand the complexity of the Bible and Catholic teachings.

NobleRace:
Rather than attacking the guy baselessly, you should have given him sound Biblical basis for the Roman Catholic practices which he so detests.

Now, tell me that scripture in the Bible where Peter, James, John or any of the earliest Christians bowed down to Mary, prayed through Mary, used Rosaries, worshipped the Queen of heaven or made an image of Jesus to bow down to.

If you can provide sound Biblical basis for these things, I'll turn Catholic today.

You quoted the wrong post?

Mpanyi:
Little wonder you never became a priest.
You should not have become a seminarian if you at all was one. It's obvious you lack the sheer wisdom and intelligence to understand the complexity of the Bible and Catholic teachings.

No, I didn't proceed because I was tired of false doctrines.

chatinent:
Psalms 83:18.

Give another one as the one you gave doesn't have anything to do with my question.

Meanwhile do you believe in authority?

I asked God for a church to go and he directed me there with a sign..even when I feel that I should leave there the anchor word of me going there as a leading of God makes me stay back

obinnaxci:
I was raised a catholic. I wanted to change church badly. I've been to all the churches and even went to mosque once on a Friday, voluntarily. I would have been a Muslim if I wanted but I can't denounce Jesus as my lord and saviour. Other churches have a lot of comma, eg. the standing and dancing for over 1 freaking hour and praying over the top of your voice is irritating. I prefer the sober life of Catholicism. JUST KNEEL for a couple of seconds, stand for a couple of minutes and viola. No stress. And when the priest says pray for your private intentions, you will never hear nor see anyone raise their voice so high in the name of prayer. Other Christian denominations pray to God like God is deaf. Smh. I still wonder why.

. So you're not a fan of some churches because they pray loudly or fiercely? Interesting.

djranking00:
When Catholics pray the Hail, Mary prayer they are not praying to Mary but are asking for her prayers of intercession for us..

sighs....

I was born into it

I was born a catholic and nothing is going to separate me from catholic, because the teaching of catholic has helped me a lot in my spiritual growth. I thank my parents for being a believer and bringing me up in a christian way.

Bigredmachine:
I was born into a Catholic church, and over the years I have seen so many things I don't like about Catholics e.g the worshiping and bowing down to images, which the Bible clearly kicks against... So many other things they do that I begin to doubt if Catholic is a real church...

They will tell us how Catholic was the true and only church founded and approved by Lord Jesus Christ by himself and every other church broke out from Catholic church...

Talking about switching... I have also seen how other churches now rival themselves as being better than the other... You see deeper life members bragging they worship God more than living faith or redeemed... So many competition here and there which I don't like...

Its all these things that has just made me stay put in Catholic and not really because I like their style but going to another church won't even change anything...

Its not about the church u go to, its about the individual person way of live, I can learn the teachings of any church if I feel they are saying the right things and not brag of how this church is better than that one

The truth be say church matter dey tire me and I see all the church out there as business centre

Can you please tell us more about the other things that Catholics do, that made you doubt if truly Catholic is real Church.

stinflame:
Lol once you begin to reason like Martin & the Kings, you will surely see a thousand and one reasons to poke what doesn't and is never an issue but only need your understanding alongside with a proper understanding of history.
Catholic said the Holy book is Sacred and only a concentrated priest can handle it, Martins & King James said never & started its translation despite heavy attack from the church. But today what do we have, different interpretation of the same bible ,by people who aren't a master of history divine impartation. The holy Bible is been abused in a torn manner . Been handled like a common book.. You can never say such of th Quran. The church have tried in preserving the Christianity you hold so dear. The included q pictorials illustrations of our various forerunners to remind us and make us conscious we aren't alone on this journey.

I has a switch from pentecostal to Catholism,why because I took my time to study what and what is the Catholic Church. I never asked anyone to explain or show me why this and that..A popular pentecostal preacher once said he got salvation from the Catholic Church. How did it happen whereby he wasn't even a Catholic. It was simple, the spirit ministered to him to enter a Catholic Church and just on seeing the crucifix on the alter alot of things went through his mind and he was save,Apt Selman happens to be this person.
Catholic Church is bigger and deeper than you think, they are solidly rooted in the word.
You placed a hinge on Status, if you clearly listen to their wordings no one In the Holy church have ever asked angels or saints to forgive them their sins. Or better still grant them their request. So if you aren't patient enough to know the ancient wordings you might just jump into conclusion.
You talked about paying adoring Mary , if you are so inquisitive in knowing why , you should have laid your hands on ancient journals and why it became a tradition of which was not so before. Read about our lady first appearance and her given instructions. Of course you know the Church won't just buy and accept any thing of such without concrete evidence and over time study. Note Catholic Church are never in a heist to attract you with miracles ,so their is no need to lie about the the Lord answering prayers through Mary the mother of Jesus.
The church adherence to the ancient scripture made it survive for over 2000yrs despite human imperfections. Unlike pastors who kit up in suits, which is never recorded in the bible, the vest of a Priest, its alters Dimensions are all recorded in the bible, and the exact way to concentrate it is all written down in Exodus.
Let's don't say a lie Only does who just want to jump into the Morden Form of Christianity will open their mouth to Castigate the Holy Church. No church on earth have any right to Talk about the Holy Church until they can survive for 100yrs.
If you talked about praying through saints, I will give u a simple scriptural instance, was God not knowing what he was doing when he asked Moses to make a statue of a serpent and any who looks on it will definitely live. Now let me tell you just what went through the mind of those looking at the status serpent ' ooo Lord heal me as I look on to you through this status' this happen a thousand yrs before the Holy church was formed. Still yet the holy church never thought about the possibility of having a stature until when revelation and appearance of Mary began.
Pardon all typo errors..Using a phone typing isn't my thing

Please are you a priest?

NobleRace:
Rather than attacking the guy baselessly, you should have given him sound Biblical basis for the Roman Catholic practices which he so detests.

Now, tell me that scripture in the Bible where Peter, James, John or any of the earliest Christians bowed down to Mary, prayed through Mary, used Rosaries, worshipped the Queen of heaven or made an image of Jesus to bow down to.

If you can provide sound Biblical basis for these things, I'll turn Catholic today.

If these is your own criteria to join catholic, better remain where you are comfortably confused.

Bigredmachine:
This is what am taking about ... You say am castigating the Catholic church, fine I may not have voiced my displeasure using the right grammar, as English no be my mate... But what am saying is that everyone has one or two things to say about their church being the best...

Good they have told us countless time how we pray to God through Mary to intercede for us and how its not worshiping but honour of some sort...

I can't just go on and on but there are so many things wrong with the church of today...

You are just confused about which church to belong to. No human being is perfect in this world and as such you will not find any church that does 100% what God wants.
No human being on Earth knows completely the mind of God. So you better find one church where you will always go and make your faith alive, leave the things you think they are doing you considered not inline with Gods will. If you are in Catholic and chose not to be bowing down to image or praying to Mary, i think no body will forcefully compel you to do so or better still go and establish your own church exactly the way God wants it. Or you can choose to be a pagan, no body has wright to query you for that. I think this world is a free world every human has the wright to live his or her spiritual life the way he or she wants.

Omicron007:
Considering the vast number of Christian denominations in Nigeria today, why did you choose your current church?

Some people are attending a particular church just because they were born into the church.

Christ Apostolic Church; I chose there because at least twice God used a prophet there to deliver from serious issues and the fact that they have a very sound background with a powerful prayer life.

chatinent:
I was born a Catholic. I remember asking a Reverend Father what “bowing down to graven images as a sin” meant. He was biting his words cos he suspected the Jesus statue would be questioned.

Due to my inquisition, I had to dig deeper. Why venerate Mary? What is really her role? What's the role of the rosaries using the Bible? Can Jesus be God and still pray to God? What are the use of those Holy Sacrament and Hail Mary incantations? Where is Father Christmas in the Bible? Is Mary the mother of God? Very many questions...

I gave up.

I am now one of the JW.

You jumped from frying pan to fire.

Please you still need to change your denomination to get to heaven.

Vinnie2000:
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That's just it!
They will NOT join Society or read Catholic Books!
There is NO STRONG member of Blue Army, Legion of Mary, Block Rosary,etc that later leaves d Church...
Nice one, Bro!

I have a friend that was a strong member of Legion of Mary. She changed after she got married. Both were born Catholic, got married in Catholic.
I was surprised ooo, because she didn't attend any function in another church when invited.