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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by elyte89: 11:27am On Nov 23, 2021
forgiveness:


I just wanted you to know your tiki taka style of play has limits and has not made teams that adopted it the most successful in the world. grin

I don't even like dt style.. It makes watching match boring..one team will just b playing while d opp team will just b chasing d ball

I prefer Liverpool(jurgen klopp, or man u(Ferguson era style) aggressive pressing style

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 11:30am On Nov 23, 2021
TheGoodJoe:


That was not the scope of the debate.

We are looking for a coach that will guarantee us success by winning AFCON and World Cup and not an entertainer.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:34am On Nov 23, 2021
Barryseal:


You talk up tiki taka and possession game championing Amuneke, when as a matter of factly the number 1 tiki taka coach Nigeria is Abdul Maikaba.
He calls his philosophy "Reiteni a passa". Maikaba is the only Nigerian coach who has a website where he explains his passing philosophy with no compromise on retaining possession and passing in triangles.

Amuneke's Tanzania played anything but tiki taka during his stint there.

http://www.sportflames.com/2021/08/npfl21-update-abdul-maikaba-launches.html?m=1

www.theabdulmaikaba.com

I wonder where you get that. I have told you before I used to leave in the same block as Coach Monday Sinclair, who was one of the earliest men that played possession football to its fullest.

We have had a lot of coaches but Amunike played as a professional under the philosophy. His teammates are leaders of the game today. Enrique and Guardiola. He trained as a coach under the system.

Now I also pointed out his scouting ability which has been part of the quality players in the Super Eagles today. So these two qualities are the reason why I pick Amunike.

By the way, Imama played Tiki Taka under Sinclair. Finidi played possession footy under Sinclair and Van Gaal. Siasia even coaches his with an expansion theory to keep the ball moving faster than the opposition.

So I wonder why you feel I am saying Amunike is the only one. I said Amunike is well versed in it.

Keep in mind he is training local coaches in it because he knows it indepth. If it is to write website on it, it is easy for Amunike.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 11:36am On Nov 23, 2021
elyte89:


I don't even like dt style.. It makes watching match boring..one team will just b playing while d opp team will just b chasing d ball

I prefer Liverpool(jurgen klopp, or man u(Ferguson era style) aggressive pressing style

Very boring style of play. I stopped watching Guardiola’s Barcelona at some point except against Chelsea.

Those coaches play direct football and rely much on wing play. This is were you need fast and skillful wingers.

Tiki Taka will limit our players that are fast and direct.

We don’t need it.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Meliforme: 11:36am On Nov 23, 2021
TheGoodJoe:
I have hinted before. One thing I know through time that has been our strength is the ability of our players to run at a fast rate for a long time.

From the likes of Amunike, Finidi, Taribo, Jero Shakpoke, Eguavoen, Iroha, Tijani Babangida, Mobi Oparakwu, Aghahowa, Pius Ikedia, Victor Ikpeba, Yakubu Aiyegbeni, Babayaro and a host of others.

In the near past, we had Nsofor, Osaze, Ike Uche, Martins Obafemi, Onazi, Ambrose, Echiejile, Okoronkwo, Obasi etc.

Today you can see Chidera Ejuke, Osimhen, Chukwueze, Onyekuru, Ndidi, Iheanacho, Sanusi, Aina, Ebuehi etc.

This remains our critical attribute. Which means, we have to play a system that will utilize our stamina. That is the high press. This is key to the Catalan/La Masia philosophy.

Another key attribute is keeping possession by passing. What this does is develop the basics of the players. We have had a history of failing in the basics of passing to keep the ball. Training with this system will enable that.

Cutting the risk of getting scored is another feature of this system. If we keep possession high up the pitch in the opponent's half, we cut the chance of conceding meaningless goals.

Finally, this system demands concentration and will help in the tactical development of our players.

So that is why I hammer on it and Amunike is well versed in it. Going for another coach based on sentimental reasons will only keep us from progressing and making use of this great set of players God gave us.

I stand with you.
They keep throwing names, but i am yet to identify a coach better than Amunike in their purveys.

Aside footballing concerns, there are other reasons Amunike should be engaged.

My only fear is: Amunike might be too stiff not just for the NFF, but to the fans. On the other hand, i am not advocating servility.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 11:40am On Nov 23, 2021
TheGoodJoe:


I wonder where you get that. I have told you before I used to leave in the same block as Coach Monday Sinclair, who was one of the earliest men that played possession football to its fullest.

We have had a lot of coaches but Amunike played as a professional under the philosophy. His teammates are leaders of the game today. Enrique and Guardiola. He trained as a coach under the system.

Now I also pointed out his scouting ability which has been part of the quality players in the Super Eagles today. So these two qualities are the reason why I pick Amunike.

By the way, Imama played Tiki Taka under Sinclair. Finidi played possession footy under Sinclair and Van Gaal. Siasia even coaches his with an expansion theory to keep the ball moving faster than the opposition.

So I wonder why you feel I am saying Amunike is the only one. I said Amunike is well versed in it.

Keep in mind he is training local coaches in it because he knows it indepth. If it is to write website on it, it is easy for Amunike.


If a coach doesn’t/hasn’t played under Barcelona philosophy or trained in Barcelona, he is not a good coach, right?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:40am On Nov 23, 2021
Barryseal:


You talk up tiki taka and possession game championing Amuneke, when as a matter of factly the number 1 tiki taka coach Nigeria is Abdul Maikaba.
He calls his philosophy "Reiteni a passa". Maikaba is the only Nigerian coach who has a website where he explains his passing philosophy with no compromise on retaining possession and passing in triangles.

Amuneke's Tanzania played anything but tiki taka during his stint there.

http://www.sportflames.com/2021/08/npfl21-update-abdul-maikaba-launches.html?m=1

www.theabdulmaikaba.com

I really did not see anything on the website. By the way, even Coach Monday Sinclair has written a tactical coaching book. I have not had time to buy it. I will definitely do that soon.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:41am On Nov 23, 2021
forgiveness:



If a coach doesn’t/hasn’t played under Barcelona philosophy or trained in Barcelona, he is not a good coach, right?

Where do you get these irrelevant point from?

It is shocking.

Read again, I believe the system will suit our team. I gave my reasons why. I also believe Amunike is in a good position to get our team playing that way.

Then you come up with the above, is shocking.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:46am On Nov 23, 2021
Meliforme:


I stand with you.
They keep throwing names, but i am yet to identify a coach better than Amunike in their purveys.

Aside footballing concerns, there are other reasons Amunike should be engaged.

My only fear is: Amunike might be too stiff not just for the NFF, but to the fans. On the other hand, i am not advocating servility.

Thank you. I think Amunike comes out as a very strict person and I feel it can bruise the egos of some players. However, I think we need such strictness.

Also, I think the NFF have made up their minds that Nigerian coaches are rebellious and won't swallow their nonsense. It has happened repeatedly from Keshi, Sylvanus Okpala, Siasia, and recently Sunday Oliseh. Even Amunike went publicly to condemn the way they handled his U17 team. Manu Garba did the same.

Amunike also shows this sign and I agree it can deter the NFF from handing the Super Eagles to him.

However, I have weighed the pros and the cons and I believe Amunike has more to offer the team positively than negatively.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:50am On Nov 23, 2021
forgiveness:


We are looking for a coach that will guarantee us success by winning AFCON and World Cup shocked and not an entertainer.

Guarantee winning the World Cup. Even Enrique can not Guarantee Spain that. cheesy

What we need is a coach that can bring the fear factor to the Super Eagles. Bring confidence to the players. Anytime we match out, no matter who the opponent is, they should be ready to play the games of their lives against us.

With time, trophies will come. First, we need a coach that will guarantee we will play with bravery, confidence, and power.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Barryseal: 11:53am On Nov 23, 2021
TheGoodJoe:


I wonder where you get that. I have told you before I used to leave in the same block as Coach Monday Sinclair, who was one of the earliest men that played possession football to its fullest.

We have had a lot of coaches but Amunike played as a professional under the philosophy. His teammates are leaders of the game today. Enrique and Guardiola. He trained as a coach under the system.

Now I also pointed out his scouting ability which has been part of the quality players in the Super Eagles today. So these two qualities are the reason why I pick Amunike.

By the way, Imama played Tiki Taka under Sinclair. Finidi played possession footy under Sinclair and Van Gaal. Siasia even coaches his with an expansion theory to keep the ball moving faster than the opposition.

So I wonder why you feel I am saying Amunike is the only one. I said Amunike is well versed in it.

Keep in mind he is training local coaches in it because he knows it indepth. If it is to write website on it, it is easy for Amunike.
You failed to address the elephant in the room. Tanzania under Amuneke didn't play to this philosophy. Alot of us watched them with keen interest during the Afcon because of Amuneke.

You can say they lacked quality players but we should have seen the blueprint of this system in their 3 games. They can loose all 3 matches, but the blueprint will be there for all to see.

Even at the U17 finals, Mali had more possession than his team.

You're putting yourself about like an obsessed Amuneke fan, nothing more nothing less.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 11:53am On Nov 23, 2021
TheGoodJoe:


Where do you get these irrelevant point from?

It is shocking.

Read again, I believe the system will suit our team. I gave my reasons why. I also believe Amunike is in a good position to get our team playing that way.

Then you come up with the above, is shocking.

That’s what I deduced from your reasons.

Tiki Taka is not good for our players.

We rely more on wing play and that’s why most of our best players are wingers.

We need a coach that is direct, plays fast -paced attacking football with high-intense, counter-attacking style of football that suits our players style of play. Not one boring Tiki Taka that will limit their potential.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:55am On Nov 23, 2021
forgiveness:


That’s what I deduced from your reasons.

Tiki Taka is not good for our players.

We rely more on wing play and that’s why most of our best players are wingers.

We need a coach that is direct, plays fast -paced attacking football with high-intense, counter-attacking style of football that suits our players style of play. Not one boring Tiki Taka that will limit their potential.

Have you watched Sane and Bernardo Silva play on the wings? Have you watched Walker and Cancelo overlap for City? Please, wing play is key for the system.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:58am On Nov 23, 2021
Barryseal:

You failed to address the elephant in the room. Tanzania under Amuneke didn't play to this philosophy. Alot of us watched them with keen interest during the Afcon because of Amuneke.

You can say they lacked quality players but we should have seen the blueprint of this system in their 3 games. They can loose all 3 matches, but the blueprint will be there for all to see.

Even at the U17 finals, Mali had more possession than his team.

You're putting yourself about like an obsessed Amuneke fan, nothing more nothing less.


That is your belief but devoid of fact. Why should Tanzania be the case study alone?

Secondly, I have also called for Luis Milla years ago, strictly because I want us to play the system.

Simple. I want the best coach we can get to teach us to play the system. Amunike is the best at it. It has nothing to do with obsession with Amunike. He played and got trained in the system. Simple.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Omanambala(m): 12:01pm On Nov 23, 2021
Of course, we have a decent option in Amunike , but I am concerned he isn't match tested , of late. Since he was relieved of his job , as the head coach of Tanzania national team , I don't think he has coached any other team. It would have helped a great deal if he 'd engaged himself work-wise or go back to school to gain more knowledge and ideas and make his CV look better.


SN: Something in me still wants Oliseh , but I think Oliseh has some serious personality problems. A good coach but not a good manager.

I can't wait for Finidi to coach the U23.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 12:02pm On Nov 23, 2021
TheGoodJoe:


Have you watched Sane and Bernardo Silva play on the wings? Have you watched Walker and Cancelo overlap for City? Please, wing play is key for the system.

You are talking about Guardiola that has abandoned Tiki Taka after it failed him in his latter years at Barcelona because he realized it can be countered hence went back to the drawing board and invented another style totally different from tiki Taka.

Amuneke is not Guardiola.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Omanambala(m): 12:03pm On Nov 23, 2021
TheGoodJoe:


That is your belief but devoid of fact. Why should Tanzania be the case study alone?

Secondly, I have also called for Luis Milla years ago, strictly because I want us to play the system.

Simple. I want the best coach we can get to teach us to play the system. Amunike is the best at it. It has nothing to do with obsession with Amunike. He played and got trained in the system. Simple.


While Amunike did poorly with Tanzania , but let's not forget he played some beautiful attacking football with that team. It was a learning process for him.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Barryseal: 12:20pm On Nov 23, 2021
TheGoodJoe:


That is your belief but devoid of fact. Why should Tanzania be the case study alone?

Secondly, I have also called for Luis Milla years ago, strictly because I want us to play the system.

Simple. I want the best coach we can get to teach us to play the system. Amunike is the best at it. It has nothing to do with obsession with Amunike. He played and got trained in the system. Simple.

How successful has he been with his interpretation of this style? He has not had an outstanding career as a coach over a decade he has been a manager.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Barryseal: 12:26pm On Nov 23, 2021
forgiveness:


That’s what I deduced from your reasons.

Tiki Taka is not good for our players.

We rely more on wing play and that’s why most of our best players are wingers.

We need a coach that is direct, plays fast -paced attacking football with high-intense, counter-attacking style of football that suits our players style of play. Not one boring Tiki Taka that will limit their potential.
Exactly. Our style has never been tiki taka. I laugh when people say we play like the Dutch. I don't understand that sense of illusion.
Our game have always been physical, rugged, power play and speed. Europeans and South Americans always dreed playing us because of our physicality.

It's only Nigerians that think we play like the Dutch.
South Africa, Ghana and Morroco play the closest system to tiki take or Dutch football not Nigeria.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 12:34pm On Nov 23, 2021
Barryseal:

Exactly. Our style has never been tiki taka. I laugh when people say we play like the Dutch. I don't understand that scene of illusion.
Our game have always been physical, rugged, power play and speed. Europeans and South Americans always dreed playing us because of our physicality.

It's only Nigerians that think we play like the Dutch.
South Africa, Ghana and Morroco play the closest system to tiki take or Dutch football not Nigeria.

Exactly! We must go with what works for us.

Physicality, ruggedness, power play and speed have always been our style of play and we need a coach that can use that to our strength.

We no bi Spain.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by JohnBullMySon: 12:41pm On Nov 23, 2021
Something is telling me that NFF will end up collecting a FIFA suspension with all these Rohr related saga. It seems like Sunday Dare wants to be angrier than everyone else. He shouldn't put us in trouble with all these interference.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Omanambala(m): 12:44pm On Nov 23, 2021
Barryseal:

Exactly. Our style has never been tiki taka. I laugh when people say we play like the Dutch. I don't understand that scene of illusion.
Our game have always been physical, rugged, power play and speed. Europeans and South Americans always dreed playing us because of our physicality.

It's only Nigerians that think we play like the Dutch.
South Africa, Ghana and Morroco play the closest system to tiki take or Dutch football not Nigeria.

Maybe because we are known for having skillful players , and yes we played some beautiful football at U.S '94 ,Atlanta '96 , '98 world cup. That era captured the height of Nigeria football.

Because our players were skillful the team played some eye-catching football and that's probably what people refer to as tiki take.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by chrisooblog: 12:58pm On Nov 23, 2021
Exactly! Amuneke is more direct in his coaching from the little I've observed in his teams.

The u17 team that is always cited in his favour they were more direct and relied on a few long balls. In Tanzania the same fast paced attacking style of play definitely not tiki taka.

Why your observation is so valid is because every coach's philosophy no matter the level of talent available to him will usually shine through. Bielsa doesn't have world class available to him in Leeds but we can see his inprint in the way they attack, move the ball and how they build from the back.

Based on our current situation realistically if he didn't have that ban on his neck I would re hire Siasia his teams play close to the way I envision Nigerian teams should play. As a manager he made a few mistakes but I think he learned from them. Just add extra technical hands like Kalika to his team and I think Samson would be able to deliver. I know people will rightly question what he achieved when he was in charge of the SE but I feel he was unlucky in some instances. Another red flag is his penchant like other Nigerian coaches to make strange invitations.

Barryseal:

You failed to address the elephant in the room. Tanzania under Amuneke didn't play to this philosophy. Alot of us watched them with keen interest during the Afcon because of Amuneke.

You can say they lacked quality players but we should have seen the blueprint of this system in their 3 games. They can loose all 3 matches, but the blueprint will be there for all to see.

Even at the U17 finals, Mali had more possession than his team.

You're putting yourself about like an obsessed Amuneke fan, nothing more nothing less.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Danielnino00(m): 1:05pm On Nov 23, 2021
Beloved4:

Source: Danielnino news blog. Okay.
The source is actually from your anus... whatever the hell your name is
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by andrewbaba44: 1:08pm On Nov 23, 2021
forgiveness:


You are talking about Guardiola that has abandoned Tiki Taka after it failed him in his latter years at Barcelona because he realized it can be countered hence went back to the drawing board and invented another style totally different from tiki Taka.

Amuneke is not Guardiola.

Guardiola still uses tiki taka though ,but I think the new king of tiki taka is Luis Enrique
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by chrisooblog: 1:08pm On Nov 23, 2021
When some of us say we play like the Dutch we are talking about attacking play from the wings, backed by a creative midfield and fullbacks who overlap occasionally. Dutch style is not necessarily tiki taka but what I would call an attractive direct style making use of skill and creativity to open up your opponents. Whereas tiki taka simply put is passing your adversary to death.

Yes we are physical and rugged but there's a lot of sublime skill and creativity in that mix. Watch Bonfere and Siasia teams then you will understand what I mean.

Barryseal:

Exactly. Our style has never been tiki taka. I laugh when people say we play like the Dutch. I don't understand that scene of illusion.
Our game have always been physical, rugged, power play and speed. Europeans and South Americans always dreed playing us because of our physicality.

It's only Nigerians that think we play like the Dutch.
South Africa, Ghana and Morroco play the closest system to tiki take or Dutch football not Nigeria.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by chrisooblog: 1:15pm On Nov 23, 2021
We have never played like Spain and we are not Cameroon that only rely on muscle, pace and power. A typical Nigeria team aims to win but with style and panache. We're not Cameroon or Senegal that aim to beat or crush you into submission.

forgiveness:


Exactly! We must go with what works for us.

Physicality, ruggedness, power play and speed have always been our style of play and we need a coach that can use that to our strength.

We no bi Spain.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 1:17pm On Nov 23, 2021
Barryseal:


How successful has he been with his interpretation of this style? He has not had an outstanding career as a coach over a decade he has been a manager.

He has not had ample opportunity but I am satisfied with his stint. The time he stayed sufficiently, we saw him impart tactical insight in his boys. We saw other impressive qualities. He remains my choice and I am yet to see a better choice that suits all the necessary factors.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by do4luv14(m): 1:18pm On Nov 23, 2021
JohnBullMySon:
Something is telling me that NFF will end up collecting a FIFA suspension with all these Rohr related saga. It seems like Sunday Dare wants to be angrier than everyone else. He shouldn't put us in trouble with all these interference.



it was this same interference that enables Rohr to continue as coach, after failing to reach WC target, and the Nff wanted to let him go,

Dare put mouth, even promised the ministry will take up his salary
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 1:22pm On Nov 23, 2021
forgiveness:


You are talking about Guardiola that has abandoned Tiki Taka after it failed him in his latter years at Barcelona because he realized it can be countered hence went back to the drawing board and invented another style totally different from tiki Taka.

Amuneke is not Guardiola.

What kind of funny talk is that?

What do you mean Guardiola abandoned tiki taka. It remains the foundation of it. There would be other variation to it but the possessive philosophy remains critical.

Look below at our last match below against Everton. Look at the possession of who you said abandoned tiki taka.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 1:24pm On Nov 23, 2021
chrisooblog:
We have never played like Spain and we are not Cameroon that only rely on muscle, pace and power. A typical Nigeria team aims to win but with style and panache. We're not Cameroon or Senegal that aim to beat or crush you into submission.


Where did I mention muscle and power?

Dan the Bull, Eguavoen, Iroha, Yekini, Siasia, Mutiu, Amuneke etc had all the features I mentioned earlier.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 1:26pm On Nov 23, 2021
forgiveness:


Very boring style of play. I stopped watching Guardiola’s Barcelona at some point except against Chelsea.

Those coaches play direct football and rely much on wing play. This is were you need fast and skillful wingers.

Tiki Taka will limit our players that are fast and direct.

We don’t need it.


Can you tell me wong players that are limited under Guardiola in Manchester City? Have you watched Mahrez, Foden, and Sterling under Guardiola
What of Sane? You guys just type what you wish with no facts to back it.

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