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Zombie. Igbo wannabe. You can never in your next life be Igbo.

Continue fooling yourself and your fellow zombies

Alabo7978:
Calm down, you said you uploaded it, and he cut half right?
Ok let's say he did what you said.
How come pepple in the cut one said he was Igbo, but in the one he sent to crowther he said he was OKOLOMA? (Indigenous)
And that ibos were slave in Bonny(a white given name)
??
Can you explain it calmly... I'm not here to fight.

1. Because as in the olden days, people Igbo people identify by their towns first and the Igbo second. Till today, that is why you hear more often, Mbaise man, Ngwa man, Nsukka man. In our towns and between fellow Igbos, we identify by our names first. All non-Mbaise Igbos will call them by their name, while they call other Non-Mbasise Igbos, Igbos. However, when they refer to themselves to Non-Igbos, they simply call themselves, "Igbos". Town or Tribe identity is important in Igbo language.

2. Bonny was a corruption of the word "Ubani" or "Obani" and "ibani" They all mean the same thing in Igbo language. All the European explorers right from Barbot in 1699 acknowledged the corruption of the name in their books.

And see the relationship in trade and commerce wen Igbos were compared to other groups.

CC: Bkayy Slayerforever, Fejoku, Igboid. It was clear here that Igbos were never at any point on the same league. This account is from Johnston in the 1800s.

VOICEofORIENTAL:
I'm not stupid! IGBO ADAGE;IF ONE OF YOUR FINGER TOUCHES THE PALM OIL IT WILL AFFECT THE OTHER FINGERS.the best way up in life is to always pause and ask your self honest and hard questions.. you said Igbo hatred have been on the rise? what exactly is the cause of this Igbo hatred? THERE ARE TWO THAT I KNOW..1.prosperity attracts jealousy, jealousy leads to hatred.ISAAC & JACOB experienced this type of hatred in there time, in the Bible..jealousy & hatred can also be found in Alaigbo.however, beside prosperity factor, there is another factor which is the number 2:BAD ATTITUDE TOWARDS YOUR HOST.let me stop here & allow you to ponder

Is the bad altitude

Ekealterego:
Slayerforever, Bkayy, Igboid, Fejoku please, confirm. In this book (I found it in a Mexican online library, written around 1899 or 1900s.

1. You can find King Amacree of New Calabar and King Pepple of Bonny declaring that they were "Igbos". (This is 1823-1840)

2. You can find the main source of the "Kalabaris". The Kalabari people. This further confirms that the main source of kalabari people is Igbo first. In that same upload, You can find the various Igbo groups. Although some of the spellings were probably in spelt in the Spanish version.

The writer said amachree and pepple are of heebo, but you said the king's themselves declared it.
I thought I'll be shown that.
That is a statement from someone and not the kings themselves.
I am afraid that doesn't hold water.

Bro. If an okolo-ama man speaks, the igbos there don't hear them except it is the igbos who have stayed there and understand the okoloama dialect.
They call God tamuno same with some other clans under ijo.
House is called Wari, other ijoh clans call house Wari too.
We say 'wari'o' when about to enter someone's house,
And the owner will say
'suo'o'

VOICEofORIENTAL:
Through one man Adam,sin entered the world.if a Nigerian misbehaves in a foreign country he/she is addressed as a Nigerian.

@Igboid. You see how you have exposed the zombie. The Igbo wannabe have started speaking in tongues.

Your post held him on the balls hence the speaking in tongues. Just imagine his senseless reply to your balls dragging post

Alabo7978:
Mr Man, I have lived in Bonny all my life, though the Igbo language is spoken there, it is only a second language.
okoloama is the main dialect and the people know it as okoloama(okolo-ama) meaning dwelling or settlement of okolo, okolo means curlew and we call curlew okolo, the Nembeians are bloodly related and they call curlew okolain.
Opuamakuba was a ruler of the settlement as at 1390 and was a strong medicine man who worshiped Adum a sea water deity.
Adum was fabled to be the juju of ijo himself.

Alagbiriye then brought the Ikuba deity. Ikuba means (iguana, monitor lizard)
Asimini was officially crowned king in the 1450's and he was not an Igbo man.
Which Igbo man came to okolo-ama as early as that year to be a king when the ibos were mostly slaves?
If I take you to okolo-ama (settlement of curlew) and you hear them speak the dialect, you will see there is no similarity whatsoever to the Igbo language.
Igbo language is only spoken as a second language and most igbos have been living there for over 100years just as french people have been living in New Orleans (America) but it doesn't mean they own the place.

First of all, the place is Okoloma not Okoloama, named after Okoloma Ndoki the birthplace of the Bonny people.

Opuamakuba does not add credence to any Ijaw link. Opuamakuba is an Igbo name, same as Asimini or Okpara Ndoli or Alagbayi.

Worshipping Adum or Ikuba does not add any credence to Ijaw too. Even on reading about Ikuba the Iguana diety the adherents of Ikuba called themselves ndi mmoo. Ndi mmoo is Igbo.

Asimini from Ndoki was Igbo. The language of Ubani from time immemorial was recorded as Ndoki Igbo. The first Igbo bible was made in Ndoki Igbo. The slaves were all Igbo and didnt bother leaving the island. It became a home away from home. Even Jaja himself noted in his writings that he became at ease when he arrived at Ubani because the people of the island spoke like his former master's place in Akwete. Everything about Ubani was recorded as Igbo. The Ijaw presence at Ubani was a minute population living in isolated areas of the island. The whites noted the Ijaw hatred and their unwillingness to mix up with the Ubani people from as early as 1800s.

My brother, forget I laugh too much. I have Ubani history at the back of my palms.

Ekealterego:
1. Because as in the olden days, people Igbo people identify by their towns first and the Igbo second. Till today, that is why you hear more often, Mbaise man, Ngwa man, Nsukka man. In our towns and between fellow Igbos, we identify by our names first. All non-Mbaise Igbos will call them by their name, while they call other Non-Mbasise Igbos, Igbos. However, when they refer to themselves to Non-Igbos, they simply call themselves, "Igbos". Town or Tribe identity is important in Igbo language.

2. Bonny was a corruption of the word "Ubani" or "Obani" and "ibani" They all mean the same thing in Igbo language. All the European explorers right from Barbot in 1699 acknowledged the corruption of the name in their books.

And see the relationship in trade and commerce wen Igbos were compared to other groups.

CC: Bkayy Slayerforever, Fejoku, Igboid. It was clear here that Igbos were never at any point on the same league. This account is from Johnston in the 1800s.

Bro stop showing excerpt from someone's opinion.
I dare you to go to Bonny group on Facebook to cap all this.
King edimini was the one who caused all of this. He married his daughter Kambasa off to an ndoki man(I have forgotten his name)
He did that to pave a path for trade(slavery)
That ndoki man was the one who arranged his brothers to be sold for his own wealth. And when Kambasa came back to Bonny, some of those people followed her, but she took another lover named biriye who bore her a son. And it was from this line perekule emerged.
It was the igbos who corrupted (Bonny) a British given name to ubani or ibani.
But it is known and have always been known as okolo-ama by the locals

SlayerForever:
First of all, the place is Okoloma not Okoloama, named after Okoloma Ndoki the birthplace of the Bonny people.

Opuamakuba does not add credence to any Ijaw link. Opuamakuba is an Igbo name, same as Asimini or Okpara Ndoli or Alagbayi.

Worshipping Adum or Ikuba does not add any credence to Ijaw too. Even on reading about Ikuba the Iguana diety the adherents of Ikuba called themselves ndi mmoo. Ndi mmoo is Igbo.

Asimini from Ndoki was Igbo. The language of Ubani from time immemorial was recorded as Ndoki Igbo. The first Igbo bible was made in Ndoki Igbo. The slaves were all Igbo and didnt bother leaving the island. It became a home away from home. Even Jaja himself noted in his writings that he became at ease when he arrived at Ubani because the people of the island spoke like his former master's place in Akwete. Everything about Ubani was recorded as Igbo. The Ijaw presence at Ubani was a minute population living in isolated areas of the island. The whites noted the Ijaw hatred and their unwillingness to mix up with the Ubani people from as early as 1800s.

My brother, forget I laugh too much. I have Ubani history at the back of my palms.

I think the Iguana thing in Bonny came from Aboh.
They have similar culture over there, you find the Iguana reverance anywhere Aboh had influence on.
Even in Orogun now part of Urhobo where Abohs once held sway and in Ndoni(Ndi-onu-iyi), the Iguana reverance is prominent.

Noticed also that the name Aboh called Bonny was written in the article the Ijaw guy shared.
All these shows that Aboh had great influence and contact with early Bonny and must have also supplied some of it's early occupants/Indigenes.

It's all making sense now. I

Alabo7978:
Bro stop showing excerpt from someone's opinion.
I dare you to go to Bonny group on Facebook to cap all this.
King edimini was the one who caused all of this. He married his daughter Kambasa off to an ndoki man(I have forgotten his name)
He did that to pave a path for trade(slavery)
That ndoki man was the one who arranged his brothers to be sold for his own wealth. And when Kambasa came back to Bonny, some of those people followed her, but she took another lover named biriye who bore her a son. And it was from this line perekule emerged.
It was the igbos who corrupted (Bonny) a British given name to ubani or ibani.
But it is known and have always been known as okolo-ama by the locals

Dude stop confusing yourself here.
Okolo-ama is still Igbo.

What is wrong with this man?

Alabo7978:
The writer said amachree and pepple are of heebo, but you said the king's themselves declared it.
I thought I'll be shown that.
That is a statement from someone and not the kings themselves.
I am afraid that doesn't hold water.

Bro. If an okolo-ama man speaks, the igbos there don't hear them except it is the igbos who have stayed there and understand the okoloama dialect.
They call God tamuno same with some other clans under ijo.
House is called Wari, other ijoh clans call house Wari too.
We say 'wari'o' when about to enter someone's house,
And the owner will say
'suo'o'

You are obviously dumb. The person who wrote the stuff was a co-researcher.

That's standard ethnographic writing. You write in reported and observatory stand-point. I thought you should figure out. Anyone who went to secondary school would.

The other was an appendix!!!!!!!!!

What sort of education is provided in this Nigeria? My God!!!

In the appendix, that was a letter where Crowther asked him to give the name his town was called and language for mapping and reference purposes... It was not about whether the king himself himself was Igbo or Hausa. (That is also standard anthropological and ethnographic procedure)

Go and read the book and stop talking like someone who never visited the four walls of a class.

Whereas in the text, they were talking about origin!!! And that is standard ethnographic reporting style.

Fejoku:
Why are people not commenting on this map? The language classification and the Ijoid language cluster was clearly shown here. There are many things that were exposed here if you compare it with google earth maps.
Nkoroo and Obolo are clearly Ibibiod but Ijaws always claim them.
* Notice the space where 417 and 418 were written as you head towards Bonny Island. Cross check the names of communities within that axis on Google Earth map.
* Notice the language partition on Bonny Island.

Yes, this brings to light about some issues I've been pondering on. There's still some things that are sketchy about the language spread of Bonny.

What I do hold on to however, is that the Ndoki founded the island. In case of any disputes of ownership that may arise in the future.

Igboid:
I think the Iguana thing in Bonny came from Aboh.
They have similar culture over there, you find the Iguana reverance anywhere Aboh had influence on.
Even in Orogun now part of Urhobo where Abohs once held sway and in Ndoni(Ndi-onu-iyi), the Iguana reverance is prominent.

Noticed also that the name Aboh called Bonny was written in the article the Ijaw guy shared.
All these shows that Aboh had great influence and contact with early Bonny and must have also supplied some of it's early occupants.

It's all making sense now.

Okay. Thank you for adding this to my knowledge of Ubani!!!!


Alabo7978 we can now see that the Iguana worship was an import from Aboh, another great city state at that time.

SlayerForever:
First of all, the place is Okoloma not Okoloama, named after Okoloma Ndoki the birthplace of the Bonny people.

Opuamakuba does not add credence to any Ijaw link. Opuamakuba is an Igbo name, same as Asimini or Okpara Ndoli or Alagbayi.

Worshipping Adum or Ikuba does not add any credence to Ijaw too. Even on reading about Ikuba the Iguana diety the adherents of Ikuba called themselves ndi mmoo. Ndi mmoo is Igbo.

Asimini from Ndoki was Igbo. The language of Ubani from time immemorial was recorded as Ndoki Igbo. The first Igbo bible was made in Ndoki Igbo. The slaves were all Igbo and didnt bother leaving the island. It became a home away from home. Even Jaja himself noted in his writings that he became at ease when he arrived at Ubani because the people of the island spoke like his former master's place in Akwete. Everything about Ubani was recorded as Igbo. The Ijaw presence at Ubani was a minute population living in isolated areas of the island. The whites noted the Ijaw hatred and their unwillingness to mix up with the Ubani people from as early as 1800s.

My brother, forget I laugh too much. I have Ubani history at the back of my palms.

Asimini isn't Igbo.
Kai why are you people like this?
Igbos only even began entering Bonny because a princess of Bonny was married to an ndoki man by her father king Edimini who was the son of Asimini. This ndoki was very influential in the hinterlands.
She bore no sons for him and she didn't even love him.
When her father Edimini died, she left her husband and returned with a few Igbo followers and seized the royal mantle and became Queen. She took a lover named biriye and produced sons. And it was from that line Perekule the first was born.

I want you to go to Facebook and drop these concortion for the Bonny people and watch you disgraced. Ndoki sounds nothing like okoloama, Jesus Christ.

Obviously the Aboh connection to Bonny has remained under explored.

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Alabo7978:
Asimini isn't Igbo.
Kai why are you people like this?
Igbos only even began entering Bonny because a princess of Bonny was married to an ndoki man by her father king Edimini who was the son of Asimini. This ndoki was very influential in the hinterlands.
She bore no sons for him and she didn't even love him.
When her father Edimini died, she left her husband and returned with a few Igbo followers and seized the royal mantle and became Queen. She took a lover named biriye and produced sons. And it was from that line Perekule the first was born.

I want you to go to Facebook and drop these concortion for the Bonny people and watch you disgraced. Ndoki sounds nothing like okoloama, Jesus Christ.

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Next time young man when arguing with me bring historical or present day facts then we're good. I don't fancy this rubbish fabrications at all.


If you will indulge me, please what tribe was Asimini?

Alabo7978:
Bro stop showing excerpt from someone's opinion.
I dare you to go to Bonny group on Facebook to cap all this.
King edimini was the one who caused all of this. He married his daughter Kambasa off to an ndoki man(I have forgotten his name)
He did that to pave a path for trade(slavery)
That ndoki man was the one who arranged his brothers to be sold for his own wealth. And when Kambasa came back to Bonny, some of those people followed her, but she took another lover named biriye who bore her a son. And it was from this line perekule emerged.
It was the igbos who corrupted (Bonny) a British given name to ubani or ibani.
But it is known and have always been known as okolo-ama by the locals

One thing common with all you Ijaws is that you cap with no single reference to history. You sit in your beer parlour and make things up...

See most of us here, citing references, books, history, accounts from every group on how things were 250-300 years ago.

We bring proof and receipts.


Bonny's history was well and wholesomely documented. This is not beer parlour gist.

Ekealterego:
You are obviously dumb. The person who wrote the stuff was a co-researcher.

That's standard ethnographic writing. You write in reported and observatory stand-point. I thought you should figure out. Anyone who went to secondary school would.

The other was an appendix!!!!!!!!!

What sort of education is provided in this Nigeria? My God!!!

In the appendix, that was a letter where Crowther asked him to give the name his town was called and language for mapping and reference purposes... It was not about whether the king himself himself was Igbo or Hausa. (That is also standard anthropological and ethnographic procedure)

Go and read the book and stop talking like someone who never visited the four walls of a class.

Whereas in the text, they were talking about origin!!! And that is standard ethnographic reporting style.

Sorry, you said "they were talking about origin"
WHO WAS TALKING ABOUT ORIGIN
Mr Man stop fooling yourself.
You claim to be a researcher, I want you to go to Bonny for research and say this nonesense there.
The language is very very very very very very very different.
The tradition and all.
Igbos were mostly slaves in Bonny.
The original inhabitants and ancestors of the king's were okolo-ama people.

Ekealterego:
One thing common with all you Ijaws is that you cap with no single reference to history. You sit in your beer parlour and make things up...

See most of us here, citing references, books, history, accounts from every group on how things were 250-300 years ago.

We bring proof and receipts.

The only thing you all do is bring up beer parlour gist. cite history from 200 years ago. Okay bring from 150 years ago.

Bonny's history was well and wholesomely documented. This is not beer parlour gist.

Proves written by who?
Your fellow land grabbing people.
I hear there is a drug in igboland called mkpuru'mmiri.
It seem you are high on that drug.
Stop bringing research ebooks written by drug smugglers.
The okoloama people are not igbos.
Different language, different mode of dressing, different food, different everything.

Igboid:
I think the Iguana thing in Bonny came from Aboh.
They have similar culture over there, you find the Iguana reverance anywhere Aboh had influence on.
Even in Orogun now part of Urhobo where Abohs once held sway and in Ndoni(Ndi-onu-iyi), the Iguana reverance is prominent.

Noticed also that the name Aboh called Bonny was written in the article the Ijaw guy shared.
All these shows that Aboh had great influence and contact with early Bonny and must have also supplied some of it's early occupants.

It's all making sense now.

I originally shared it in my conversation with him on another thread. These crop of Ijoh boys do not have the mental capacity to bring receipts from history.

Have you seen anyone of them attempt to dig up history or make any reference?

Alabo7978:
Sorry, you said "they were talking about origin"
WHO WAS TALKING ABOUT ORIGIN
Mr Man stop fooling yourself.
You claim to be a researcher, I want you to go to Bonny for research and say this nonesense there.
The language is very very very very very very very different.
The tradition and all.
Igbos were mostly slaves in Bonny.
The original inhabitants and ancestors of the king's were okolo-ama people.

Yes, and Okoloma are Ndokis. They still exist till today and speak the same language even in Bonny.

Here is the proof!!

Something you are incapable of providing.

SlayerForever:
Okay. Thank you for adding this to my knowledge of Ubani!!!!


Alabo7978 we can now see that the Iguana worship was an import from Aboh, another great city state at that time.

Yes, Ikuba is foreign.
The oldest god is Adum. Adum was the personal god and oracle of ijo

Tochi3:
@Igboid. You see how you have exposed the zombie. The Igbo wannabe have started speaking in tongues.

Your post held him on the balls hence the speaking in tongues. Just imagine his senseless reply to your balls dragging post

That's their way.
One rule for Igbo, different rules for everyone else.

Alabo7978:
Yes, Ikuba is foreign.
The oldest god is Adum. Adum was the personal god and oracle of ijo

No body is doubting that Ijaws are not in Bonny.
But you came there later and hence had lesser influence on the Island than the Igbos who came earlier and had more population.

Igboid:
No body is doubting that Ijaws are not in Bonny.
But you came there later and hence had lesser influence on the Island than the Igbos who came earlier and had more population.

Ekealterego , SlayerForever
Look what I found, is this official receipt not enough?
How best do you want to meander from this one?
This clearly show okolo-ama people are the original.
Or will you say the king and crowther are ogogoro drinking people?
Please what other reciept do you want greater than this?

Ekealterego:
I originally shared it in my conversation with him on another thread. These crop of Ijoh boys do not have the mental capacity to bring receipts from history.

Have you seen anyone of them attempt to dig up history or make any reference?

Thinking of it.
Ndoki people are originally of Olu/Oru origin.
They migrated from Aboh/,Oguta area to their current location.

It would therefore appear like Bonny is a point of reconvergence between lost Igbo brothers ie Aboh and Ndoki.

Alabo7978:
Ekealterego , SlayerForever
Look what I found, is this official receipt not enough?
How best do you want to meander from this one?
This clearly show okolo-ama people are the original.
Or will you say the king and crowther are ogogoro drinking people?
Please what other reciept do you want greater than this?

Okoloma language, which is the language spoken in Okoroma Ndoki.
The piece you shared wasn't discussing about the ethnicity of the King and his people,but the language they were speaking.
If you asked an Awka person the language he was speaking in that era, he too would say Awka language.

SlayerForever:
Obviously the Aboh connection to Bonny has remained under explored.

Aboh's connection with their neighbours and the extent of their reach was explored by those ethnographers. They had trade relations too and influence.

Maybe you can read about accounts from "King Obie" and "Prince Tchukuma"

Two different different accounts at the height of the powers and when their powers were waning.

Alabo7978:
Ekealterego , SlayerForever
Look what I found, is this official receipt not enough?
How best do you want to meander from this one?
This clearly show okolo-ama people are the original.
Or will you say the king and crowther are ogogoro drinking people?
Please what other reciept do you want greater than this?

Oga, you didn't find this. That is my upload. I uploaded it by MYSELF from the same place The same person was accounted as being IGBO.

Get sense.

Alabo7978:
Proves written by who?
Your fellow land grabbing people.
I hear there is a drug in igboland called mkpuru'mmiri.
It seem you are high on that drug.
Stop bringing research ebooks written by drug smugglers.
The okoloama people are not igbos.
Different language, different mode of dressing, different food, different everything.

All you have so far is your Ogogoro joint made up stories.
You have no historical proof, whereas we are providing all the historical proofs.
A third neutral party who isn't Igbo or Ijaw visited Bonny centuries ago and remarked that the people were Igbo speaking and even went on to make a word list of Bonny language and their English interpretation, and we see that the words he recorded corresponds today to the Igbo spoken in Ndoki and Bonny till today.

Ekealterego:
Aboh's connection with their neighbours and the extent of their reach was explored by those ethnographers. They had trade relations too and influence.

Maybe you can read about accounts from "King Obie" and "Prince Tchukuma"

Two different different accounts at the height of the powers and when their powers were waning.

Is king Obie same person as Eze Obi Ossai?

See list of words used by Bonny natives including their Kings as recorded by European explorers centuries ago.
All are Igbo words spelt with a different orthography to modern Igbo Onwu orthography.

Ekealterego:
Shut up. I uploaded it. this was one part of the upload. That was appendixed to the source. King Pepple himself said in the main text that he was of an Igbo origin. I uploaded it alongside this. That Ijaw drunk only cut that part not showing the full transcript.

Even if we go by that alone, OKOLOMA is an Igbo word and IGBO people.

and till today, The OKOLOMA dialect (Ndoki dialect) is what is spoken in Opobo and Bonny.

I know intellect is not something most of your canoe dwelling drunks are known for but please try to use your sense a lil bit.

if you uploaded it, then you indeed killed yourself.
Isn't that reciept enough?
Kai. Let's say okoloama dialect is Igbo, why then was it dinstinct from the Igbo language, and even given another name all together? Kai, bloody liars and the devil is proud of you people including your blood money making skills.
So that document even exists, yet you igbos just keep lieng anyhow.
God forbid.
I know it is only here you and your drug sniffing kind will claim land from indigenous people, and it will only end online.
Kai.
That document is so delicious.
I won't engage you further.
Carry this madness come Bonny, your body go tell you.