GreatBoss:


The map the Aminadokiari (Ndoki) leaders brought to the Ijaw Republic Liberation Movement Militant Forces.

Anywhere that bears Igbo name will remain in Igboland. Any of the Ndoki elders betraying Ndigbo, after collecting money from Ijaw landgrabbing organisations, will be exiled to Gbaramatu, at the appointed time

Biafrarep:


Interesting!!!

One thing I have come to understand is that people hardly change in their core values/worldview, probably because they're genetically wired to be like that. So, I don't think it's unique to Ijaws, because same way they've always had tendencies toward violent armed robbery/militancy and arson, is also same way Igbos have always had business acumen and superiority complex. I was shocked when when those foreign explorers emphasized that Igbos during those era believed they were of a superior ethnic stock.

Historically too, the Ibibios/Efiks aside the normal conflicts that was prevalent back then, are relatively peaceful just like they are today.

In the North, the Kanuris and Fulanis that are harrassing others all over Northern Nigeria through Boko Haram and herdsmen respectively, have always been like that too! These two groups would be terrorising all others on horsebacks. That's also what they're still doing today, albeit with modern tools like AK47 and bombs.

Also consider that in the past, while there was near anarchy in the Yorubaland and ironfist monarchy in Bini, Igboland was relatively peaceful with a decentralized authority. It was the peaceful coexistence in Igbo territories that largely resulted in huge population density.

My point is that, if you check all these factors, you will realize that every ethnic group have mostly retained their core identities over the centuries! This is the reason why I warn that anything that will make Igbos to share a smaller country with Ijaws must be stopped at all cost. Otherwise, we will end up having another South Sudan scenario in our hands.

If we must break away from Nigeria, then we must go alone or at most align with the Akwa-Cross that are peaceful in nature just like us. Otherwise, we remain in Nigeria and slug it out. I pity any group that will share country with Ijaws because it will be war without end.

"The past is key to the future"~~ George Santayana.

All you said about the characteristics of ethnic groups being retained is true. I was just shaking my head when I read those accounts that stated that Ijaw were militants even way back.

Omanambala:


Brother, there was no treaty with Ijaw because they were not even on the scene. I have learned a lot , today.

You should know I am not the gullible type. Let us just give him benefit of doubt.

Who knows one can come out from Perekule square.

Imagine, no single document/literature since this thread started to counter any assertion here, just mere conjectures and moonlight tales.

I am still challenging anyone of them to a live debate on the identity of Bonny and Opobo people. The person should come ready with all those Perekule on Wikipedia.

Omanambala:


Do you actually believe the Ijaw that had no mention in 1700s or a proper homeland , actually enslaved the Igbo ?? You can't possibly be very bright.

This is akin to saying black Americans were enslaving the red Indians in the 1300s and 1400s. It's absolutely impossible because you don't have the intelligence (Aro were reputed to be very intelligent group) nor the ideas of shrewd Aro merchant.

I have read people assign Ijaw to European ship workers used as laborers in their exploration , but I have another hypothesis; and that is that Ijaw were never ship laborers brought from Ghana and Sierra Leone , but a minute , creek dwelling primitive tribe without homeland who barely started living on land after the British arrived , and suddenly the thought of a better life than living in the disease infested creeks crept into their minds . My hypothesis also hint when Ijaw started living on the land that's when the mixing with tribes who occupied these areas of lands closest to the waters ensued. It doesn't really take a rocket scientist to figure this out. The proof is there Okrika , Kalabari were people chiefly by Igbo race.

My hypothesis were emboldened by the fact that when the Whiteman arrived the shores of Niger Delta , it seems , the wealthy merchants and high chiefs they met on the ground none of them were Ijaw. It's either they are Igbo or a mixture of Igbo and Cross River and Ibibbio groups. Not much were said about Ijaw , in these accounts , even , until recently, Ijaw was largely unknown.

I strongly believe, however , that these towns in these coast line were originally Igbo or Akwa/Cross , who started receiving Ijaw migrants after the Whiteman arrived. These emigrants from the creek became assimilated by the earlier settlers and also brought their own influence , hence the Ijaw cultural features in these places. Subsequently , the Ijaw will come to claim these places as their land after Goodluck Jonathan became the President and his people suddenly realized they have been sleeping.

You are on point.
An extensive research needs to be conducted on the true identity of the ijaws. Considering the recent description of their identity, I now have course to believe they were not the Brass people Crow talked about. Chief Fubara in Crow's account maybe one of the earliest ijaws who sneaked into Bonny with a false pretense typical of the people described to start ambushing Bonny natives.

Since they were not on the scene wayback. It is important to find out when the murderous exploit of replacing tribes through canoe attack started taking place.

SlayerForever:



Those are Nembe youths. In other clips they enter the rooms. You can just make out pictures of royally dressed people in the wreckage. But it appears too briefly for many to catch.

They are Brass youths.

9Pluto:


Really!!!Treaties with the Ijos and Efik. Kindly post supporting documents and date.

While the Efiks we historically documented, as at 1800s, what happened to the ijaws? Why were they not documented? Did the authors forget?

You didn't answer my other questions too.

What happened to the ijaw language in Bonny and Opobo? Why are their descendants trying to finish what there ancestors started?

If ijaws weren't documented, some ibo posters here wouldn't have fun of ijaws being called "pirates" as was documented by earlier account.
If your claim to Bonny ownership would make you close minded to documented facts about the ijos who were recorded as coastal traders with the Portuguese long before the arrival of the British. I suppose you are doing to yourself a huge intellectual disservice.

So far on this peace of history, igbo's have proven themselves. It is evidently clear ijaws are recent people in Bony and Opopo. Strange enough, the few Bony/ Opopo persons I know like the ogolo's , jombo's and even Jaja's have never admitted they are Ijaw. Any way , the Ijaws are known across the Niger Delta as land grabbers. That was how they suddenly woke up in Warri in the late nineties and started fighting over Itsekiri lands . Even in Bomadi, Sagbama and Warri south west LGA , they succeeded in laying claims to some of the communities there , whereas they are minorities in these places. I have much to talk about Ijaws in Delta and Bayelsa, but I guess this not the right place. So far , Igbo's 100 - ijaws 0.

Putindbutt:

If ijaws weren't documented, some ibo posters here wouldn't have fun of ijaws being called "pirates" as was documented by earlier account.
If your claim to Bonny ownership would make you close minded to documented facts about the ijos who were recorded as coastal traders with the Portuguese long before the arrival of the British. I suppose you are doing to yourself a huge intellectual disservice.

Why not help improve our learning experience by posting this or referencing it. The write up that referred to ijaws as pirates was later than 1809 when trans Atlantic slave trade had been abolished.

Putindbutt:

Once again, John Adams was beclouded by the sheer number of freed ibos he may have encountered in Bonny. which underscores his bias as being inaccurate. Saying it is " VERY PROBABLE"/ LIKELY" that ibos were original inhabitants of Bonny, underscores his bias as being inaccurate and works as unreliable and easily disprovable.
A more detailed account would have been referred than mere guesses. It shows John Adams was far removed from the realities surrounding Bonny. He wasn't even sure of his own accounts.

But John Adams, captain Crow and Dr. Baikiie were sure of the fact that the ruling family of Ubani was of Igbo ancestry..

Secondly none of them even guessed that Ijaws were the first settlers in Bonny. All of them guessed the Igbos were the first settlers in Bonny.

Omanambala:


Away from the historical accounts being thrown about , here; I have a direct question and information to tender to you.

If the white man arrived and found most households to be Igbo speaking and cultured people why would he write otherwise ??

Remember , some of these explorers are seasoned anthropologists with decades of experience doing anthropology work in all parts of Africa. These data gathering was going on when our forefathers have not being corrupted and Igbo was not a unified race, but went by the name of their towns or clan.

It all exists in your head. If a white man came here and told us he discovered River Niger, should we then hero worship him?
At what period was ibos unified when an european account compared Egboes of Elugu to Egboes of Bonny and describing them as a nation.

OfoIgbo:


But John Adams, captain Crow and Dr. Baikiie were sure of the fact that the ruling family of Ubani was of Igbo ancestry..

Secondly none of them even guessed that Ijaws were the first settlers in Bonny. All of them guessed the Igbos were the first settlers in Bonny.

They should have simply bought some sea food and take their leave rather than make a guess and leave us a distorted version of Africa history. The Portuguese had a more believeable account and they came much earlier than the British.

Putindbutt:

If ijaws weren't documented, some ibo posters here wouldn't have fun of ijaws being called "pirates" as was documented by earlier account.
If your claim to Bonny ownership would make you close minded to documented facts about the ijos who were recorded as coastal traders with the Portuguese long before the arrival of the British. I suppose you are doing to yourself a huge intellectual disservice.

Coastal traders? What were you selling to the Portuguese? Fish?

This screenshot gotten from the INC/IYC sponsored BON (Ibani Nation) facebook group show an Ijaw evil machination to finish what their pirate ancestors couldn't finish in Bonny/Opobo.

1. Jojo pirates that the Europeans recorded in the 18th century tried but failed.

2. Next was Dappa Biriye who was the first southerner to align his NDC with the northern NPC inorder to achieve the task of landgrabbing Bonny. Biriye's ancestors might be migrant Ijaws, who like Chief Fubara mixed with Bonny people and began to do an inside job for his true Ijaw lineage. The same with Fombo another Ijaw migrant in Bonny who helped stopped the teaching of Igbo bible in Bonny after the war.

3. Then came Isaac Boro who used the opportunity of Balewa's removal to begin landgrabbing the territories of the Edoid Yenagoa division under the guise of 12 day revolution. When Ironsi crushed him he lied he was fighting for Ijaw emancipation. Immediately, Ironsi died and north took back power, Boro remembered he had an unfinished business and continued from where he stopped this time using the civil war to carry out genocide in Bonny, Opobo, Kalabari and other communities with Igbo origin. He enforced the name change of Bonny heritage and forced them into the Ijaw angle.

4. After the end of the civil war, the Ijaw led Rivers state military government continued ftom where Boro stopped. But this time they got empowered by northern led government who helped them with the abandoned property and the mass wiping of Igbo heritage in Rivers state. The shallow Ikwerre and Ogoni who couldn't see the bigger picture joined the Ijaw in sharing the largese from the cake. While the Ijaws sponsored Alagoa and Fombo to write their fraudulent history on Igboid tribes who overnight became Ijaws, the Ikwerre were helped to institute a hate-inspired movement against their own tribesmen.

SlayerForever:
Maxi112, KateyKate, Gifted21, Anibi9674, Nasoeb,

Bros, why you dey mention me?
I don't like to argue,
One of my mentors said " A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still"

l will ask simple questions when you solve it you have half the answers to your questions.

Who was Chief Oko Jumbo of the Jumbo major house of bonny?
Which "meat" was he eating according to history?
Why was ibani language not spoken to the slaves?
How and why did the adulterated Igbo language infiltrate okoloma(bonny)
Who was juwujuwu( jaja) a slave to in bonny?
Who made him king?
Is Ndoki closer to bonny through the coastline?
Who or where do they crown the king of bonny?
Is opobo a part of bonny or a separate entity that came on its own?
Who were the slaves, where are they from?
I could go on and on
Conclusion? Draw it yourself when you have answer to these questions

warripekin:
So far on this peace of history, igbo's have proven themselves. It is evidently clear ijaws are recent people in Bony and Opopo. Strange enough, the few Bony/ Opopo persons I know like the ogolo's , jombo's and even Jaja's have never admitted they are Ijaw. Any way , the Ijaws are known across the Niger Delta as land grabbers. That was how they suddenly woke up in Warri in the late nineties and started fighting over Itsekiri lands . Even in Bomadi, Sagbama and Warri south west LGA , they succeeded in laying claims to some of the communities there , whereas they are minorities in these places. I have much to talk about Ijaws in Delta and Bayelsa, but I guess this not the right place. So far , Igbo's 100 - ijaws 0.

Some of those igbos are actually been made to deny their heritage by distorting their history(that is why it is important to pull out all this records). Telling them they were slaves ijaws were trading and most people have bought into the bull crap. The remaining ones are been intimidated to change their identity. The last attempt is to force them to change their language.

I actually saw a YouTube video where the current King of Opobo was saying he was ijaw(the ijaw boy running the youtube channel won't allow you make any reasonable comment). The same King that was taken to the Supreme court by ijaw revisionists who wanted to ascend Jaja's thrown(some years after his father's death) before he defeated them at the Supreme Court.

When I heard him say it I laughed and I wouldn't really blame him because I can imagine the enormous pressure he is under. I wish someone close to him sees this and show it to him. I would have asked him just three questions if it was a life programme.
The questions would go like this.
Me: Your highness, is the Great Jaja from Amaigbo?

Me: Your highness, are you a direct descendant of the Great Jaja of Opobo?

Me: Your highness you just said you are ijaw and a direct descendant of the Great Jaja. How is your tribe different from your father's acclaimed tribe. Is Opobo/Ibani culture matrilinear(that is assuming his own mother was ijaw)?

In which case,I put it to you that you are either not a direct descendant of Jaja or The Great Jaja of Opobo is not from Amaigbo.

Even if he doesn't believe Great Jaja of Opobo was an igbo man from Amaigbo. A host of Opobo people are igbos.

Someone should show King Jaja of Opobo Crow's memoir so he can unlearn the falsehoods he has been made to internalize because if I was his opponent and had interest in the stool, I will simply take him to court and tell him he can't be Jaja's son and be ijaw.

Putindbutt:

Equiano famously known as Gustavus Vassa has his origin very much in contention. Y'all always pick controversial battles.

But Equiano noted that cocoayam was EDEA (EDE) in his native language and that his dad was an EMBRENCHE (MGBURU-ICHI). This clearly meant he was Igbo

In view of recent development, the truth has been laid bare.
https://www.nairaland.com/6875094/bight-biafra-answers-bonny-opobo

Mods pls do the needful and close this thread.

GreatBoss:


Yeah.
They are all ijaw people.
Ndoki leaders, have met with my boss General Ditari saying they are Ibani-Ijaw people and saying since they share borders with other Ijaws, they want to come with Ijaw Republic.
They brought map of Aminadokiari (Ndoki) land too.
The new Central Ijaw dialect being worked on in preparation for Ijaw Republic will set all things right for all Ijaws.

God our Creator be my witness on all these things..

@Slayerfoever . I always laugh when this people just like us refere them Bonny's as Ibani-Ijaw. It's just like us here with our Hausa-Fulani conjunction. Laughably, it automatically outshows that it's telling of differing people's as the Sene-gambia, the Hausa and us, then the Ijaws and the Ubani's.
Now who are this Ubani's since even them Jo's know they not Ijaw as we know Hausa not Fulani.

OfoIgbo:


They are Brass youths.

Yeah. I usually take them as one.

9Pluto:



You are on point.
An extensive research needs to be conducted on the true identity of the ijaws. Considering the recent description of their identity, I now have course to believe they were not the Brass people Crow talked about. Chief Fubara in Crow's account maybe one of the earliest ijaws who sneaked into Bonny with a false pretense typical of the people described to start ambushing Bonny natives.

Since they were not on the scene wayback. It is important to find out when the murderous exploit of replacing tribes through canoe attack started taking place.

The Ijaw are not recent. They've always been there. The same reports stated there was a tribe known as Jo-Men or E'Jo. What you should know is that the Ijaw wherever mentioned is talking about the Izon group today lying on the western Niger Delta and parts of Bayelsa. These were the militants as recorded by the captains. They've always been there.

warripekin:
So far on this peace of history, igbo's have proven themselves. It is evidently clear ijaws are recent people in Bony and Opopo. Strange enough, the few Bony/ Opopo persons I know like the ogolo's , jombo's and even Jaja's have never admitted they are Ijaw. Any way , the Ijaws are known across the Niger Delta as land grabbers. That was how they suddenly woke up in Warri in the late nineties and started fighting over Itsekiri lands . Even in Bomadi, Sagbama and Warri south west LGA , they succeeded in laying claims to some of the communities there , whereas they are minorities in these places. I have much to talk about Ijaws in Delta and Bayelsa, but I guess this not the right place. So far , Igbo's 100 - ijaws 0.

Open a dedicated thread when you're ready. We will be eager to hear from you.

@slayerforever, Bkayy, Igboid. This thread must not be closed by any admin.
It is one loaded with knowledge and discoveries.
Some of these guys are already seeking for a way to close it.

Ekealterego:
@slayerforever, Bkayy, Igboid. This thread must not be closed by any admin.
It is one loaded with knowledge and discoveries.
Some of these guys are already seeking for a way to close it.

Their only option is to turn it to an insult fiesta so that it will be deemed as a thread of emotional outburst but so far, we've showed them mental superiority.

They tried to start one with each of us not knowing that we understand the game.

BKayy:

Their only option is to turn it to an insult fiesta so that it will be deemed as a thread of emotional outburst but we've showed them mental superiority.

They tried to start one with each of us not knowing that we understand the game.

Ignore that Alexbell guy. I am convinced enough now that he does not possess the mental capacity to embark on whatever course he is on.

He writes as if he is existing in another dimension and do not understand basic text and cannot really decipher simple real life examples.

Let's ignore him, writing on the thread will dumb down this knowledge filled thread.

gifted21:


Bros, why you dey mention me?
I don't like to argue,
One of my mentors said " A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still"

l will ask simple questions when you solve it you have half the answers to your questions.

Who was Chief Oko Jumbo of the Jumbo major house of bonny?
Which "meat" was he eating according to history?
Why was ibani language not spoken to the slaves?
How and why did the adulterated Igbo language infiltrate okoloma(bonny)
Who was juwujuwu( jaja) a slave to in bonny?
Who made him king?
Is Ndoki closer to bonny through the coastline?
Who or where do they crown the king of bonny?
Is opobo a part of bonny or a separate entity that came on its own?
Who were the slaves, where are they from?
I could go on and on
Conclusion? Draw it yourself when you have answer to these questions

Before I answer some of the questions I'll like to invite you to read through the thread, especially the narrations of Bonny in the 1800s, before Nigerian politics started.

Read through the materials then rephrase your questions and ask again.

Ekealterego:

Ignore that Alexbell guy. I am convinced enough now that he does not possess the mental capacity to embark on whatever course he is on.

He writes as if he is existing in another dimension and do not understand basic text and cannot really decipher simple real life examples.

Let's ignore him, writing on the thread will dumb down this knowledge filled thread.

I am done with them over there.
The picture was my last contribution

Putindbutt:

They should have simply bought some sea food and take their leave rather than make a guess and leave us a distorted version of Africa history. The Portuguese had a more believeable account and they came much earlier than the British.

Africanus Horton did not make a guess. To him, Ubani was Igboland as a matter of fact.

Even Ajayi Crowther did not say Bonny was Ijaw

Ekealterego:

Ignore that Alexbell guy. I am convinced enough now that he does not possess the mental capacity to embark on whatever course he is on.

He writes as if he is existing in another dimension and do not understand basic text and cannot really decipher simple real life examples.

Let's ignore him, writing on the thread will dumb down this knowledge filled thread.

You're very correct. They are just trying to confuse issues by opening up another thread