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Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by Ekealterego: 3:25pm On Dec 01, 2021 |
Alabo7978:This book states otherwise. This is the first dedicated book on the history of Brass written in 1906. Ijohs were clearly mentioned as a separate group. This book clearly stated the difference between Ijoh, Nembe (Alepe) and even Brass. 9 Likes 1 Share
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Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by Igboid: 3:39pm On Dec 01, 2021 |
Ekealterego: Ututu is not an offshoot of Arochukwu. They are independent group of their own, but as expected, they are related to Arochukwu. I have a hypothesis that the Igbo came to our current location through a Northern direction. But at Kogi, there was a split. One group took the direction of Edo and the other took the direction of Benue and then Cross River. The groups that took Edo direction gave rise to the Indigenous Igbo tribes in Anioma, those who took Benue direction ended up in Ikwo, Ezza,Izzi. Those who took Cross River direction ended up forming Bende, Arochukwu, Ututu,Ohafia, Abiriba. Others moved straight from Kogi to Anambra River area and formed the Nri and Nsukka groups. All these groups now kept pushing down until they all met each other again within Abia and Imo state. Kept pushing until they reached the coasts (Bonny). I believe during these journey, many Igbos were left along the way, and they settled with their non Igbo neighbors and lost their Igbo language. When you listen to Abiriba, Bende history, you hear of origin from Cross River direction, yet the name of their ancestors were all Igbos. For example the ancestor of Abiriba was called "Nnachioke" So I came to the conclusion that these ancestors were Igbos on the move who had to pass through non Igbo territories, settled amongst them, acquired wives and friends from there who joined in their journey, until they settled to where they are currently stationed. They also in typical Igbo manner acquired cultural practices of these people. That's my rational explanation of the Igbo migration and the irreconcilable stories of ancestors who were said to be Edo, Cross River, Igala , etc, yet all bore Igbo names and have their descendants speaking Igbo. 5 Likes |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by bomb24: 3:42pm On Dec 01, 2021 |
Alabo7978: this is a junk article. we need you to quote a source or documentation from 19th century downwards not 1975 alagao's revisionist tales. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by Igboid: 3:43pm On Dec 01, 2021 |
When you read Aro history. You would be told that when the war became strong, Aro people called for the help of Akpas, a group who no one know their true origin today but is believed to have lived in Cross River State , the Akpas it was who turned the tide of war in favor of the Aros. But look at the name of the leader of the Akpa warriors: AKUMA. That's a typical Igbo name that Igbos still bear until today. My rational analysis is that the Akpas were likely part of the same Igbo Entourage as Aros who passed through Cross River on their journey to Arochukwu, but while the Aros completed the journey, the Akpas settled along the way in Cross River and became an independent group there and maybe retained their contact with their Aro brothers, who contacted them when they were in need. 10 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by Ekealterego: 3:54pm On Dec 01, 2021 |
Igboid:You know Horton proposed a THEORY about an Israeli and southward migration of Igbos due to "Mohammedism" and then when they split with Igala and then moved down south. The split from Kogi and further dispersal is especially interesting now that you mentioned it. In his thesis, he examined some worldviews, characters and religions, and then the belief system. I think he was one of the first people in the 1860s who started this Israeli migration wahala that some of us have carried on our heads. LOL. Talking about Cross-Rivers. You are right, some of those names are replicated in Cross Rivers in some way. Like Bende being Bendi, There is an Ebiriba in Cross Rivers along the river, Ebem, features well along those rivers (Ebem Ohafia), there are names like Ibibia, Itu Mbuso, Onuinyang, etc in Bende, Arochukwu, Ohafia, Afikpo areas. I am curious to know what those ones in the heart of Cross Rivers speak, Especially the Etiti Ulo close to the way to Cameroon. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by Biafrarep(m): 3:55pm On Dec 01, 2021 |
Putindbutt: Alagoa is an ethnocentric irredentist who used propaganda and fables to promote ijaw landgrabbing attempts. So, don't waste your time reading his trash, it's unreliable and without substance. I doubt any reasonable law court will leave documented evidences dating back to 1700's by neutral foreign explorers who had no vested interest only to consider biased reports of a local irredentist championing ethnocentric agenda. 8 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by Captain8(m): 4:08pm On Dec 01, 2021 |
Igboid:I just like your good myopic assertions..... Because you just believed and held tightly on your assumption...... because you will never have the sense to asked yourself, are the Opobos themselves really identified the igbo tribe..? Why are there no any of the igbos organizations like ipob, Ohanaege ndigbo, Ohanaege ndigbo Youth, world igbo congress, igbo great etc in that Opobo but only IYC and INC..? If the Opobos identified themselves with the igbo ethnicity, why haven't they chased away or told Ijaws to remove the IYC and INC? Sensible questions that can reset your brain to normal........ |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by Igboid: 4:11pm On Dec 01, 2021 |
Ekealterego: You know Pa EA Iduwe in his book on Agbor history talked about this same split of the IGBO people at Kogi and the branch of Igbo that formed Ika migrating through Kogi to Ondo and then to Edo and ended up in their present location where they met a proto Edoid people called the Oza people who they displaced. It's interesting. He even have evidence to proof their ancestors were once resident in Yorubaland during this journey. We have alot to do in unravelling the true story of Igbo speaking people. Concerning those Igbo sounding towns in Cross River, I doubt they still speak Igbo, there is no way they could be that isolated from other Igbos and retain their Igbo language. Look at Igbide. I think those ones are lost. Another interesting ones are the Igbo villages in Abi LGA. You have names like Igbo-Ekureku, Igbo- Imabana, etc. Yet these people are not Igboid speaking today, they speak Ekoid languages. I can't understand what the hell happened there. And they bear Igbo names with no meaning in their current language. I once met one of them in my working place, his surname was "Igwe". I asked him what it means in his Igbo-Ekureku language, he says it has no meaning, that his grandfather told him that it meant "chief". A lot Happened in these places in the past. We lost and gained. This is why only language can be used to determine who is Igbo and who isn't. If you lose your Igbo language, you stop being Igboe, irrespective of your origin stories. 10 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by Pass11: 4:14pm On Dec 01, 2021 |
I taught peterside is an ijaw man why is it ijaw people doesn't want him to be governor? Why so much hate ![]() ![]()
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Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by Igboid: 4:15pm On Dec 01, 2021 |
Biafrarep: Alagoa is a clown. However, we have to write our own Igbophilic book on Bonny and Opobo and make sure it's published by a reputable body to counter him. Then it will be 1-1. The Europeans neutral colonial reports will now be the tie breaker which obviously favors us. You would think that Ohanaeze is there to lead these kind of expedition. But for where? Anyi kwuo Kita, odi ka anyi anaghi akwayelu ndi Okenye ugwu. Ike gwuru. 10 Likes |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by ariesbull: 4:15pm On Dec 01, 2021 |
Igboid: Igbo did it to yoruba in Ukwunzu in Delta they are igbonized Did it also to Ibibio In ARO and Some parts of Abia and they are igbonized 5 Likes |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by SlayerForever: 4:34pm On Dec 01, 2021 |
Ekealterego: Hehehe |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by Biafrarep(m): 4:39pm On Dec 01, 2021 |
Igboid: I don't know what the problem of Ohanaeze is, but they're seriously a bunch of disappointment. The major reason why these indigenous Igbos of Bonny and Opobo seem to allowing all these ijaw nonsense is because they've remained isolated and vulnerable. What stops them from allowing membership from Opobo and Bonny? The ikwerre they allowed, are they more Igboid than Opobo and Bonny? A lot is at stake here and it must start at the intellectual realm to reverse all the damages done by the ijaw landgrabbers. The Ohanaeze goons are more concerned about paying homages and collecting envelopes but abandon important matters! 8 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by unbitchable(m): 4:43pm On Dec 01, 2021 |
Biafrarep:I couldn't care less. I want to read the orthographical classification of Bonny language in its most basic form. And I can't doubt the authenticity of the CMS's documentation. I have been following this thread and I discovered that a lot of people minds are made up on whose side he is on. Whatever the case, either side should put his own documents on the table, either ways, documents are acceptable as proof in the Court of law. |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by Ekealterego: 4:49pm On Dec 01, 2021 |
Igboid:True, the Igbo Imabana people are Legbos, although they bear Igbo names. The same thing happened in some areas in Biakpan. They speak a different language but they bear Igbo names. The ones that did not lose this characteristic are the Orrings, especially the Effiums. They bear Igbo names but still retained two languages for most part (Igbo and K'orring. They will literarily behead you if you remotely suggest that they are not Igbos. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by Ekealterego: 4:52pm On Dec 01, 2021 |
unbitchable: Probably the earliest collection of the language by Clarke 1841-5 You can see Bonny names for Man, Woman, etc.. 6 Likes
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Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by SlayerForever: 4:53pm On Dec 01, 2021 |
Igboid: A Northern direction : Egypt. Some of us should not be quick to disparage the Israel migration theory/thesis. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by Igboid: 4:55pm On Dec 01, 2021 |
Ekealterego: Korrings( Ukwelle/Kele) are so because they find themselves in Ebonyi state. The rest of the Kele people in Benue and Cross River state don't refer themselves as Igbo. 3 Likes |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by JANK23H(m): 5:04pm On Dec 01, 2021 |
Igboid:You are so dumb |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by Ekealterego: 5:07pm On Dec 01, 2021 |
SlayerForever:I will one day open a different thread looking at how highlighting Horton's theory. He compared cosmology, religion and the rest. Maybe still balderdash. However, given the time, he drwe important perspective up till the split from Kogi and further dispersal. I am not sure, I cannot tell. He started it from North Africa, from around Eggypt and those areas and examined how Mohamedism pursued them further south. he drew inference from how Islam also drove Fulanis down south until they embraced it and used it as a tool to conquer the Hausa and their vision to reach the Atlantic. It was interesting. 6 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by Igboid: 5:08pm On Dec 01, 2021 |
Ekealterego: Don't waste your time on the Yoruba entity. He is not interested in facts, he is just after any account that is against Ndiigbo. And his talk about any document being admissible in law court is true and exactly why we need to undertake a project to publish a well researched book on Bonny to be published by a reputable publisher to counter Alagoa distortions and lies. That way it would be his words against ours. Then the European memoirs which is in our favor would now be the final tie breaker. Very important. 5 Likes
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Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by unbitchable(m): 5:09pm On Dec 01, 2021 |
Ekealterego:I guess older documentation from Bonny palace can settle this back and forth. Different versions with different sources are a bit confusing. |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by Ekealterego: 5:16pm On Dec 01, 2021 |
unbitchable:Bonny and Opobo palace was ransacked during the Nigerian/Biafran war by Adaka Boro and the federal forces. I doubt you will find any of such older than Clarke's collection. Oh, I wasted my time replying you. You are a well-known enemy of Ndi Igbo. 8 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by JANK23H(m): 5:20pm On Dec 01, 2021 |
unbitchable:A lot of those houses have records of memoirs, diaries, letters and transactions with European traders.Let them go and get those materials,since they are fixated on Bonny. |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by JANK23H(m): 5:20pm On Dec 01, 2021 |
Ekealterego:You are such a pathetic liar! |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by Ekealterego: 5:33pm On Dec 01, 2021 |
JANK23H:"The Bonny amphibious landing was a combined operation undertaken by soldiers of the Third Marine Commando led by the Nigerian navy. It was the first amphibious landing in Africa by an independent African state. Because of the terrain of Bonny and also because of the sabotage carried by Biafran sympathizers in the Nigerian navy on the naval ships, the Biafran military authority grossly underestimated the competency of the Nigerian navy to blockade Biafra or to amphibiously land on Biafra. Despite the sabotage and other setbacks suffered from the Nigerian navy, it got itself prepared for the war and indeed successfully landed the soldiers of the 3MCDO on the Biafran beaches and bombarded the Biafrans until the foot soldiers were able to fix their feet on the dry ground. Meanwhile, Biafra was very smart in opening another front in the war which compelled the Federal forces to be thinned down in Bonny in order to defend the Midwestern region. The thinning down of the Federal forces in Bonny enabled the Biafrans to launch a very heavy offensive in Bonny to retake the town but their effort was again thwarted by the Nigerian navy. The activities of the Federal navy contributed immensely to the victory of the Federal government because they secured Bonny and its oil installations, thereby making the Federal government to be in control of the oil installations which was vital to the prosecution of the war." References Achuzia, J. O. G. (1986) Requiem Biafra (pp.62-63). Enugu: Fourth Dimension. Adekunle, A. (2004) The Nigeria Biafra War Letters A Soldier’s Story (pp.91-103). Atlanta: Phoenix. Asoluka, C. (Ed.) (2003) National Maritime Authority’s Compilation of Nigerian Maritime Laws” (Navy Act (CAP.288) (Vol. 2, p. 420). Lagos: El-machi Publishers. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by JANK23H(m): 5:42pm On Dec 01, 2021 |
Ekealterego:So where did it say the documents were destroyed or ransacked by Boro's forces ? |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by Alabo7978(m): 5:53pm On Dec 01, 2021 |
Ekealterego:I saw your excerpt buddy, and it is correct in all aspects only except that you understood them to be different entirely. Please listen carefully I beg you, I want you to read and understand. Eri himself when he landed didn't form a clan, but he stayed with his children till his death. His children dispersed and formed other tribe that is why you can't see "ERI" as a kingdom or a clan, or a tribe. Ijo on the other hand had people who came with him and they settled. It was from the settlement his children went their way with a few followers. Ijo towns were already established. But it was his children and their various settlement who became more influential and richer. Didn't you see the excerpt where it said ijo men banded with BRASSMEN? Like I said, they will ALWAYS be at loggerheads, but when a foreign invasion comes, they band together. Even the town's the obiama's went to settle especially odioma, had settlers there who were either running away from a juju priest or a king after commiting crimes or either setting up fishing camps. The obiama's settled with them (note) the existing people still had ijo or BRASSMEN blood but were either staying there because of fishing or running from a crime, then the obiama's settled and a town developing forms. Then when the other established towns fills up, people from other ijoh and brass and other towns will go, from their intermarriage etc and it happened over hundreds of years and was made easy because of the dialect. That is how ijos(in general) grew. Though they were minor little waves of migration from benin and warri, but were mingled with them. That is why all coastal dwellers trace their ORIGIN to ijo. Even the founder of Obioku (the youngest Nembe speaking kingdom) was one King Wari a son of Ogbodo of bassambiri. His mother was from odioma. When the kingdom was formed, people from his father's side as well as his mother's side came to live. That is how ijos descendants spread. |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by SlayerForever: 6:08pm On Dec 01, 2021 |
Ekealterego: Seems Horton may have been a seasoned anthropologist. 1 Like |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by SlayerForever: 6:11pm On Dec 01, 2021 |
Ekealterego: I like your style. He calls you a liar you shut him up with more facts ![]() Meanwhile this brought something back to my mind. It may not be a bad idea to bring forward narrations of Boro's atrocities in Bonny and Opobo during the civil war. Or such narrations may be too controversial? 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by JANK23H(m): 6:14pm On Dec 01, 2021 |
SlayerForever:Where was it stated the documents were destroyed by Boro's forces? |
Re: The True Identity Of Bonny/Opobo People Facts Versus Fiction by SlayerForever: 6:16pm On Dec 01, 2021 |
JANK23H: Read the modified comment. |
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